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## Pi Day, VoiceXML And Albert Einstein117

Posted by timothy
from the circumferential-differential-circumstantial dept.
Eve Andersson writes: "Happy Pi Day to all. Out here in Boston, ArsDigitans are celebrating in style with what is believed to be the longest Pi bead chain in the world -- 5000 digits, all strung by hand by people passionate about Pi. On a seemingly unrelated note, I've recently published an ArsDigita Systems Journal article on VoiceXML: letting people talk to your HTTP server through the telephone. In addition to a tutorial and reusable source code, you'll find a Pi Reciter that you can access through the telephone. Just in time for Pi Day!" Reader Gyrate pipes in as well with the thought that "some people might be interested in knowing that today is Albert Einstein's birthday."
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## Pi Day And VoiceXML

• #### Re:Pi equals 2! (Score:2)

Fundamental problem with that idea...on that graph not all points are equidistant from the center. The second you move so much as a millimeter along that line the point at which it is at changes by it's slope. ie you move 1 unit to the left you've just moved .5 units down. In eucliden geometry ONLY a circle as all points the same distance from the center.

Might want to rethink your theory :)
• #### Re:If you can't remember much of Pi: (Score:1)

The 355th day of the 113th month?
• #### The point? (Score:1)

And the point of calculating pi out to these absurd points is ... what, again? To get more circular tires? To be able to calculate the position of atoms in cicles? What? It's really an absurd waste of time about several hundred places, so why is everyone so freakin' facinated with this?
• #### as seen in my sig (Score:1)

PI by roman numerials
• #### Re:Pi equals 2! (Score:1)

Of course I just missed the line:" Just redefining ONE simple function (to simulate city streets) will make PI equal 2."

Still dude...it just seems wrong....

• #### Memorizing pi (Score:2)

I memorized pi to 250 digits because I thought it would be a cool bar trick. When I'm really drunk I try and recite it. Unfortunately last time I did this the bartender doubled me and recited it to 500!
• #### Re:late (Score:1)

YO DUMBASS! Yeah, you! He meant 3.14 as pie die dumbass. 3.1401 is not pie 3.1415 would be the the equivalent, and no he posted it on the day it is March 14 here in America, slashdot is in America fool.
• #### Wow! (Score:1)

This is almost as exciting as mole day [moleday.com], which is celebrated on 10/23 at 6:02 in the morning in honor of Avagadro's number.
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• #### Re:Limerick in honor of Einstein's birthday (Score:4)

on Wednesday March 14, 2001 @10:58AM (#363637)
There was a young man from Trisk, whose lovemaking was unusually brisk. So quick was his action, that Lorentz contraction shortened his willy to a disk.
• #### Learn pi to 31 digits! (Score:2)

Now I, even I, would celebrate
In rhymes unapt, the great
Immortal Syracusan, rivalled nevermore
Who, in his wondrous lore
Passed on before
Left men his guidance
How to circles mensurate.
• #### Re:learn pi (Score:2)

Huh? Try this one instead:

Now, I have a great utterance to assist maths

The number of characters in each word corresponds to a base-10 digit of pi, and the comma even serves to mark the decimal place. If nine digits of precision isn't enough to calculate pretty much whatever you want, you might as well look it up anyway...

(Oh, I get it -- I thought your .sig was a pi-mnemonic device, no wonder I was confused... :)

• #### Pi Day in Europe? (Score:1)

Do they celebrate Pi Day in Europe? April doesn't have 31 days.

• #### The real advantage of the metric system... (Score:1)

IMHO it is the base ten. No funny factors of 3, 12 or whatever between smaller and larger units. It's great having only one such factor, but even better when it's the same as the base of our numerals.

In fact, this reminds of Fahrenheit degrees. (flamewar not intended, but looks inevitable :-) How can someone define 32 as the 'zero point'? OK, I admit perhaps the F scale was not originally based on water, but as the temperatures most often refer to weather, the freezing of water would be the best reference - the difference between positive and negative temp is obvious in nature.

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• #### Self-Referential Story (Score:1)

http://www.astro.univie.ac.at/~wasi/PI/pipoem402.h tml
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• #### Re:It's all a lie! (Score:1)

...the big bang was about 6000 years ago...

In the year 4004 BC, as calculated by the Irish theologian, Archbishop Usher, (1581-1656), Bishop of Dublin.

• #### Re:The point? (Score:2)

And the point of calculating pi out to these absurd points is ... what, again?

Because it's there.

Pi just seems to hold a fascination for many people -- partially because it seems to show up in just about every scientific discipline (except maybe computer science, where we ignore all numbers that aren't powers of two), and because it has resisted all attempts of mathematicians to determine its exact value or discover any sort of pattern.

I think scientists, just like anybody else, like a little challenge, even if it has no practical use. And it's a whole lot safer than climbing mountains.

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• #### Re:If you can't remember much of Pi: (Score:1)

This already is pi approximation day:

pi = 3.14159265353...

pi day is 3/14 or 3.14; which is already a pi approximation.

I say we celebrate piday on April/(1/(1-1/3+1/5-1/7+...))th. Which would be a true pi day.

actually, March 14159265353...th is just as 'practical'

FYI, the infinite series (pi = 4(1/(1-1/3+1/5-1/7+...)) was discovered by Leibniz and was the first infite series representing pi found. hurray for leibniz)

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minusthink [Code poet or super hero? (you decide)]
• #### Re:The real advantage of the metric system... (Score:1)

Actually, IIRC, body temperature was originally supposed to be 96 degrees, not 100. This was convenient because it meant that you had temperature differences of 32 and 64 degrees, so you could make a scale for your thermometer by bisecting the distances 5 or 6 times in succession. So Farenheit makes sense because it's defined in binary!

• #### Hmmm, crackpot or possible? (Score:1)

Could the curvature of space changing distort the value of pi? I'm not sure exactly how one defines a circle, maybe by defining a certain curve (i.e., points equidistant from an origin) on a surface with a flatspace metric? And thus, when one moves to a similarly defined curve on non-flat surface, and a non-flatspace metric, the circumfrence/diameter ratio is used as your new value of Pi? But then... well, consider the sphere:

Now, take the equator as your 'circle', with the origin at the pole. Now, your psuedo-radius is Pi*r/2, and your circumference is 2*Pi*r, where r is the sphere radius. Thus the ratio of circumference/'radius' is 4, for a circle this large...for 'larger' circles, up to a radius of Pi*r, the circumference shrinks to 0. For smaller circles, the circle shrinks to a more flat surface, and 'pi' approaches 3.14etc as radius approaches 0.

Thus, on a sphere (constant curvature) pi ranges from 'flat surface pi' (3.1415etc) to 4 to 0... Thus, if one took the literal interpretation of said biblical passage, what would that say about the curvature of space in our universe? Interesting math problem for rec.sci.math, I guess...

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• #### Re:Hmmm, crackpot or possible? (Score:2)

I think it's 'Eon' by Greg Bear where they have a Pi measuring machine, just to check the value of Pi in weird spaces.
• #### Re:Meanwhile in a world where phone#s begin with 1 (Score:1)

No need for an alternate universe. Dialing the Netherlands (+31) will do the trick. (Unfortunately the number isn't connected)
• #### Re:LISP is 41 (Score:1)

I think it's at least 43! The 40th anniversary was 1998.
• #### What will those beads *really* be used for (Score:2)

Beads huh? I know that mathematicians were anal about numbers, but I never would have guessed...
• #### late (Score:1)

timothy posted this 12 hours late. ah well. i suppose the big day won't be for another 14 years (9:26 on 3/14/15).

happy b-day, al!
hey, shouldn't this have been under the "science" catagory? it'd get the birthday boy's pic right there.

• #### Boston? Where? (Score:2)

Out here in Boston, ArsDigitans are celebrating in style with what is believed to be the longest Pi bead chain in the world.

Is it accessible to the public? Which Ars Digita office is it at? The web site has no pertinent information I could see.

Unsettling MOTD at my ISP.

Zero
• #### Re:Pi, a mysterious and dangerous number. (Score:1)

Actually, the Bible states that Pi=3. Check 1 Kings 7:23. Apparently, some Americans once tried to implement Pi=3, but the hexagonal wheels (circumference=distance between opposite corners*3 on a hexagon) turned them off...
• #### Re:Excuse me (Score:1)

IKWYM. BTW, ./'s I18N > PI day's I18N:
It's funny. Laugh. | Posted by timothy on 14/03/01 18:59
• #### Re:If you can't remember much of Pi: (Score:2)

22/7 is a common approximation of Pi.
• #### VXML (Score:2)

Voxeo [voxeo.com] has an "open source" VXML application community. You can get a dial-in number on their VXML for free and point it to your web server. Then they have a bunch of open source code you can start using to being developing IVR apps right away.

If you want to take your app commercial, you can purchase time on an 800 number. Number are available in the Bay Area, New Jersey and Chicago. These are cool guys -- I met them when they "left stealth mode" at the Pulver Voice Over Network developers conference in January.

• #### Re:Pi related information (Score:1)

How about PI to 1 million [ibiblio.org] places? or in a zip [ibiblio.org]. Gotta love Project Gutenburg [promo.net]
• #### How to get pi over the phone (Score:1)

From the article:

Try out the Pi Reciter!
Call 1-800-555-TELL.
At the main menu, speak the word "Extensions."
Enter extension 58874.
• #### Re:If you can't remember much of Pi: (Score:1)

How is 7/22 (22/7, whatever) easier to remember than 3/14?
1. Only the USA is barmy enough to use a PDP style middle-endian date format. Everywhere else is either little-endian (eg UK) or big-endian (eg Canada).
2. 22/7 = 3.142857; 3/14 = 0.214

• #### Only a matter of time. (Score:1)

Kevin Werbach from Edventure gave some insight on this a while back: The Phone Network as an Application Platform. With companies like TellMe and BeVocal and even the venerable AOL getting into the game by building voice portals, you could tell that it's only a matter of time before Internet services are available to anyone with access to a phone. There are quite a few extremely complicated issues facing VoiceXML, the variation in languages being only the most basic, but the hard-working folks behind it have made great progress. Even AOL-by-phone has a loyal userbase already.
• #### Re:Pi equals 2! (Score:1)

Yeah, I know. I just wanted to show that there was a part of an argument that pi!=3.1415926...
• #### It's all a lie! (Score:4)

<moc.sirhcim' ta' `leahcim'> on Wednesday March 14, 2001 @11:05AM (#363664) Homepage Journal
(this isn't mine, I read it online, but thought it very fitting today. Enjoy.)

He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line ofthirty cubits to measure around it. -- 1 Kings 7:23

Friends, I'd like to take a moment or two to discuss with you the biggest whopper in the whole liberal lie of mathematics. The liberals like to tell us that pi is what they call a "transcendental number." This is, of course, shameless liberal jargon that has no meaning whatsoever. They are teaching our children that pi goes on and on forever without repeating itself, and that it is not representable by any polynomial with integer coefficients. This, my friends, represents only the latest in a long string of liberal lies meant to undermine God and his Creation.

The true value of pi is exactly three, as evidence by the Scripture quote above. It is universally agreed by all honest mathematicians that there is no evidence for a transcendental pi. Not one iota. Friends, you and I know that the Bible is the wholly inerrant word of God, and that the liberals are barking up the wrong tree. That doesn't stop them from spreading their socialist "transcendental number" propaganda. See, the liberals like stuff like this. They like anything that makes mankind think of itself as small and insignificant. This makes it easier for them to control the minds of our children. After all, why not listen to some liberal, if you are not capable of fully representing a single number?

This is an out-and-out lie.

The whole mathematical system has been invented by communists so that they can gain a foothold in decent society. Along with this comes the damnable "Metric" system, which was invented in the socialist Mecca of Europe. The liberals want us all to use this "Metric" system. They want to force us into conformity so that they can run our lives. They tried it once in the 1970s .. remember, that, friends? They put up all of those speed limit signs with metric measurements on them (kilowatt-hours? hectares? who knows!) Of course, God's good Christians responded warmly by shooting them down. Therefore, I am glad to report that the Metric system has not caught on in decent society, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet.

Really, friends, the only unit of measure that we need is the cubit. This is a Biblical, Godly unit of measure that can be used for everything that the socialist Metric system is supposed to be used for. You can say "The Johnson baby was one tenth of a cubit long" or "It is 78.8 quintillion cubits to Alpha Centauri" (though the latter is a lie, of course; the stars are simply fixed points on a celestial sphere that lies somewhere beyond our planet Earth, which is the center of the Universe.) My swimming pool holds forty cubic cubits of water.

So let's fight the fight, friends. Let's fight transcendental numbers. Let's fight the Metric system. Let's wage a war against the liberals that intend to enslave our minds through obfuscated mathematics and anti-God systems of measurement. Write your congressman and school board and insist that they use books that teach that pi == 3 and transcendental numbers don't exist. We can do it, my friends. We can do it if we all stick together.

The Good Reverend
I'm different, just like everybody else. [michris.com]
• #### Dumb and Dumber (Score:2)

"Just when I thought you couldn't be any geekier,
you go, . . . and TOTALLY redeem yourself!"
• #### Re:Memorizing pi (Score:2)

I hope you don't expect to impress any girls with such a trick...

And, how do you know the bartender was not just pulling your leg and reciting digits at random? Hmm?

• #### Re:It's all a lie! (Score:2)

He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line ofthirty cubits to measure around it. -- 1 Kings 7:23

When the above was written, the average curvature of space was higher. Now that more time has passed since the Big Bang (the moment of infinite curvature), the value of $\pi$ is a bit higher. You may wonder how such a measurable effect can emerge in just a few thousand years, but remember the big bang was about 6000 years ago, as has been scientifically calculated from Biblical data.

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• #### Apparently moderators (Score:1)

are on more crack than usual today. How the hell was that off topic?
• #### Square Root of 2 (Score:1)

Sure, every one thinks of Pi day. I mean it's name is similar to that of a popular dessert item. In the mean time, however, poor old square root of 2 gets no attention! Is one lousy day for the square root of 2 that much to ask?
• #### Like your sig... (Score:2)

...but I've always wanted to make a shell command called 'iam' with weird command line options, just so people would type in 'iam --help|less'. But then I've always had a sadistic sense of humour ;-)
• #### Re: crackpot :-) (Score:1)

Pi is defined to be a constant, but the 'effective pi' in a curved space (even of constant curvature) varies according to the size of the circle, just as you noted. So the curvature of space could be found by comparing the different values of effective pi. But in any reasonable space, its value approaches 3.14159265358979323846... in the limit of zero radius, hence crackpot.

On a side note, in Greenland pi is only about 3.0 because everything shrinks in the cold ;-)

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• #### What pi means to me (Score:1)

Mathematicians say pi is the ratio of the circumfrence of a circle to its diameter.

Physicists say pi is about 3.14.

Engineers say pi is... about 3... choose your life!
• #### Meanwhile in a world where phone#s begin with 1... (Score:2)

Picture, if you will my friends, an alternate universe: where local phone numbers can begin with the digit known as the 1 ...

***

Ben Filchim opened his eyes, startled by the sound. It took only seconds for him to realize that it was his telephone. But it wasn't until he picked up the phone -- looking at his watch, wondering who would call at this ungodly hour -- that he realized why.

A strange melody floated over the phone. Singing. Drunken engineering students, it sounded like. The third, tonic, the fourth, tonic, the fifth, the ninth. He'd heard it the year before, about a month after he moved to Missouri. Probably a dozen times before he simply took the phone off the hook, then figured it must be over, then was called by several members of the Modern Disciples of Pythagoras and asked random personal questions -- his birthday, his height, annual income, and if his middle name happened to be Archimedes. No? Any siblings with that name? Then he'd had several more phone calls with the melody. The second, the sixths, the fifth, the third, the fifth. There had also been several solo guitar performances, and an adaptation that might have been done by Vince Clarke.

Finally, he had gotten one of the Mystics of Fermat to tell him what this was about. His phone number. His bloody phone number. The Fermatian seemed hurt when he laughed out loud after a stunned silence. After a short pause, Ben hung up and laughed again. He took his phone off the hook, until he forgot, anyway, and then received the series of phone calls which he decided where the drunk engineering students. He went into work early that day.

So it was March 14th again. Apparently every year was going to be the same. Ben paused to miss spring break before reaching over and unplugging the phone. Maybe he'd put something special on his answering machine in the morning... but in the meanwhile, he was going to get some sleep.

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• #### learn pi (Score:5)

on Wednesday March 14, 2001 @09:02AM (#363674)
learn pi with the patent-pending PI TRAINER [mnemo.nu](tm)

i was angry:1 with:2 my:4 friend - i told:3 4 wrath:5, 4 5 did end.
• #### Memorization (Score:1)

I believe the trick is to make a story out of the problem. Say you wanted to remember:

3.14159

You then make a story out of that...for example:

The three of us went to pick up one of our other friends. Then there were four. We went to see that one movie. The theater's open from five to nine.

Just grab the Project Gutenberg text of Pi to some rediculous number of places and write a quick script to convert the numbers to words (1 -> one) and then include the words in a story. Then just memorize the story. [Later thought...] Actually, that might not be such a quick script.[/Later thought...]

On the other hand, you may find it easier to remember if you make up the story yourself.

Oh, another thing, picture the stuff you're memorizing as you make it up.

kickin' science like no one else can,
my dick is twice as long as my attention span.
• #### Voice XML (Score:2)

...Is very nice, in fact in my Sig for a while I've been listing my VoiceXML app that lets you execute your non-outputting maintainance scripts over the phone so long as they are accessable on the web. Go to http://phone.sourceforge.net [sourceforge.net] for that service.

It is very easy to program, and well, just plain fun. The possibilities are endless. You should all try it?

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• #### Re:Memorizing pi (Score:1)

Well, I only ever managed 150, but for all you Mac users out there:

The Humpage Pi Page [bris.ac.uk]

with CalcPi, a rather quick program that renders Pi out to as many places as you want.

Well, I like it!

- Oliver
"exp(i*Pi)+1=0" - Euler
• #### Tell-Me service from Canada (Score:1)

The 1-800 number doesn't work in Canada or I suspect overseas. Try this number instead:

1-408-678-0032 if you don't mind the long distance charges. Its cool to hear pi to 9000 digits (doh!).

Have fun.
• #### I remember (Score:1)

working like hell to solve Eve's puzzles back when her home page was one of the more famous on the web. I belive I was 4th once.
• #### Re:Infocom games through VoiceXML? (Score:2)

by Anonymous Coward
75844 - (PLUGH) - old-fashioned Adventure
• #### Re:Memorizing pi - I got 650... (Score:1)

I memorized it to 650 places and was planning on going farther when I finally forced myself to break the habit. It all started when someone bet I couldn't memorize 100, and I just keep going. BE WARNED! It can be highly addictive. The number has a rhythm, you can hear it which is all you need to memorize it. It will pull you in...
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Artificial intelligence or natural stupidity?
• #### Limerick in honor of Einstein's birthday (Score:5)

on Wednesday March 14, 2001 @09:07AM (#363682) Homepage
There was a young lady from Wight
Who could travel much faster than light
She departed one day
In a relative way
And arrived on the previous night.
• #### speaking of pi.... (Score:1)

i just saw that movie - that's some paranoid shit. check this out: wow. [mikegallay.com]

1. what the? [mikegallay.com]
• #### Other interesting things on this day (Score:1)

Today is also the birthday of G.F. Handel (composer) and Casey Jones (Railroad man). (It's mine too)

It is also the day that Microsoft went public (1986) and the Power Mac was introduced (1994).

• #### Pi, a mysterious and dangerous number. (Score:3)

<a@b.c> on Wednesday March 14, 2001 @09:08AM (#363685) Journal
Many people have become hypnotised by Pi. Philosophers, mathematicians, even ordinary God fearing people have been seduced by this most feminine and transcendental of numbers.

But what of the human cost? Think of the people who have been driven mad by Pi. Gaerdoluxa, and ancient Greek philosopher King, became entranced by the ratio, and committed suicide after unsuccesfully trying to square the circle for the 3141st time.

Hyppomineon, a Roman, did go on a killing rampage after he failed to convert Pi into Roman numerals.

I think the legacy of Pi is clear. Like many women, it hypnotises right thinking men, sucks them in and chews them up, before spitting out a wreck. Pi is a feminine number because it is like a cunt - it encloses and enfolds it's beholder, before destroying him.

I think our duty is clear. We must ban Pi completely, and declare that Pi=4. It is the only way to protect the innocent masses.

Think of the children. Think of the millions slaughtered by bombs whose trajectories were calculated using - yes - Pi.

All these lives could be saved. Lets abolish Pi today.
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• #### Re:Memorizing pi- carry it in your wallet! (Score:1)

I used to carry a folded page with pi to 5000 digits in my wallet just so someone couldn't do this to me, and so I could prove I wasn't doing it to them. Handy if you're waiting for the bus and you want to add a couple more on to the end, too...
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Artificial intelligence or natural stupidity?
• #### Re:Excuse me (Score:1)

That's my arguemnt exactly - it's all in the way you perceive it. As the cliche states, it's all relative. It's just nice to have a little vindication/agreement from the community to show I'm not totally off my rocker ;)
• #### Re:Voice XML (Score:1)

Does it have some kind of good authentication? It would be really cool to be able to call my server and add a notice to the front page or something. If I have a web-interface for administration, it sounds possible.

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• #### Re:Hmmm, crackpot or possible? (Score:1)

Technically, the value of Pi doesn't change. It's the ratio of a cricle's diameter to its circumference that changes with the crvature of space.

-Ciaran
• #### March 14th? or April 31st? (Score:1)

Oh wait.....there is no April 31st. I guess we'll have to avoid all of the fun "USian-centric" date format comments.
But anyways, It's interesting that the post was actually posted at 3-14, 1:59. Just makes it that much more special, I suppose.
And while were on the subject of "date numerology" I seem to remember some time back in 1987 where the time and date matched up in some kind of whacky sequence -- something like: October 9th 1987, at 6:54 pm.
-ben
http://www.mitwebcam.com [mitwebcam.com]
• #### Re:TellMe ads (Score:1)

With voxeo you get a direct number to your app and you dont have to go into any menus. It just works like it would if you deployed it.
• #### Pi equals 2! (Score:1)

take a look at my webpage here [nbci.com] to see why pi is equal to 2, not 3.1415926....

Didn't come up with the idea myself, I got it from the math program I am in. And I know that the image is a b0rken link, the real one is here [nbci.com] (take out the space)

• #### Re:TellMe ads (Score:1)

Zero ads. 24*7 support -- free. Open Source VoiceXML and CallXML apps. ...and check out the bitchin' visual designer tool (also free).
• #### Re:late (Score:1)

Did I say slashdot was in America? Oh, I did. Who's the dumbass now?
• #### Re:If you can't remember much of Pi: (Score:1)

It's on an easier to remember day: 22/7.

In the US there is no such date, since we go by mm/dd/yyyy. Of course, this means that if Einstein's European birthday were used (he was after all European), it would be written 14/3, which of course wouldn't be Pi day. Ironic huh?

• #### PI (Score:1)

I don't know much about PI. I've only calculated it to 1 million decimal places. But, I reckon a cool slashdot project would be to make a dist net program to calc PI to beat the world record (64.5 billion places i think). Would be easy, and just think... would get /. in the guiness book of records. Speaking of which, /me has a guiness.
• #### Infocom games through VoiceXML? (Score:3)

on Wednesday March 14, 2001 @10:28AM (#363697) Homepage
I just came up with a wicked idea, though hardly have the time to implement it.... Infocom text-based games through VoiceXML, would make the ride to work far less boring. can't see any reason why it wouldn't work, and actually should be fairly easy to do....

Walter H. Trent "Muad'Dib"
Padishah Emperor of the Known Universe, IMHO
• #### Re:Pi for everybody. (Score:1)

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• #### Re:Tell-Me service from Canada (Score:1)

How is this off topic?! It's an 800 number service that tells you PI that only works in America!
• #### The Best Part of the Article (Score:1)

Is the time. posted on 3-14 @ 1:59 3.14159..... *groan* gotta love the puns
• #### Re:Nice mnemonic (Score:1)

Whoever modded this down is a shithead, fuck you.
• #### Pi visually (Score:1)

Check this out:
http://www.engr.mun.ca/~holden/pi.html [engr.mun.ca]
That's a lot of Pi.
• #### Re:Memorizing pi (Score:1)

I got asked this a lot, but I always point out the fact that a person can't say random numbers as quickly as recite them from memory. Try it sometime. You tend to start out ok, but then you start to use some kind of pattern or digit over again too often. And if you don't, then you're probably not saying random numbers as fast enough (as fast as you could say a series of recalled numbers).

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• #### Re:Pi for everybody. (Score:1)

That I'm a karma-whore who saw an article about Pi, and ran over to dmoz to find an 'interesting' or 'informative' URL. :)
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• #### he he.. pi car (Score:1)

When I left the bilding before, there was a black car with the greek "pi" on the hood and rear quarter panels in gold paint. I think it was a 280. it looked like perm. paint not something for teh day. I'll have to see if I see it tommorow in the lot.
• #### Two for two, "baby"! (Score:2)

My first son was born on January 8 (1999)--Stephen Hawking's birthday. My second on March 14 (2001...yes, today!)--Albert Einstein's birthday.

I can hardly wait until 2040 when the Nobel Prizes start rolling in...
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• #### Hold on a second moderators... (Score:1)

You missed the disclaimer at the top of his post. Also, look at his website [michris.com]. His nickname is just a coincidence.

Also, the metric system has one signifigant advantage, it's base units of measure are derived from the size of the earth, and the weight and volume of pure water. Traditional units have the benefit of having lots of prime factors. But that's about it.
• #### Re:If you can't remember much of Pi: (Score:2)

"The guy who runs that page, Martin Rebas, offers other number treats, including the -2 club for people who can't even remember 2 digits of pi."

Look carefully at the names on the list. One of them is Simon Plouffe. Here's his web page: http://www.lacim.uqam.ca/plouffe/. Yep, with Bailey (who I just saw on a *random* mailing list) and Borwein, he created an algorithm to compute arbitrary hexadecimal digits of pi (without computing the previous digits). I wonder if there's anyone else famous on there.
• #### Re:The real advantage of the metric system... (Score:2)

Except that the Fahrenheit system is based on the freezing point of water. Zero degrees F is the lowest temperature at which water is liquid when saturated with sea salt.

And human body temperature is 100 degrees warmer than 0. Now that we have better and more exact calibration methods we've defined the scale with freezing and boiling of distilled water at one atmosphere with 32 degrees and 212 degrees being defined as 180 degrees apart (180 degrees means the exact opposite in plane geometry). The recalibration has resulted in human body temperaure being inconveniently adjusted to only 99 degrees F.

-Brian@all.your.base.mesaurements.are.belong.to. na ture

• #### Re:Infocom games through VoiceXML? (Score:1)

Someone please mod this AC up... he actually had something quite relevant and interesting to say. Although it's not exactly playable (can't get so far as "enter building" without being kicked back to the main menu), it's cool that somebody's started on it....

Walter H. Trent "Muad'Dib"
Padishah Emperor of the Known Universe, IMHO
• #### Re:VXML (Score:1)

The voxeo community site is at : http://community.voxeo.com The site has a bunch of open-source VoiceXML and CallXML applications, open-source, and professionally recorded open-source audio prompt libraries.
• #### Re:Tell-Me service from Canada (Score:2)

The 1-800 number doesn't work in Canada or I suspect overseas.

So maybe we should call it American Pi.

• #### Re:DARN YOU!! (Score:1)

Er, preview. I even looked up rivalled, knew that rivaled WASN'T a word. Wherever you got this is wrong! Maybe reviled??

Yech!
• #### Menu for Pi Day (Score:1)

Appetizers
BBQ Chicken Wings Pie
Nacho Cheese and Chips Pie

Main Course
Blackbird Pie
Meat Pie(Pasty)
Pot Pie(Beef or Chicken)
Quiche(for the vegetarians)

Dessert(Nerdy, of course!)
Boston Cream Pie
Mom's Apple Pie
Cherry Pie
Lemon Meringue Pie
Chocolate Cream Pie
Key Lime Pie
Any other pie you can think of...

• #### Pi Day - Pi search upgrade (Score:1)

In honor of Pi Day (thanks for reminding me. :-) I've upgraded the Pi searcher [angio.net] to 100 million digits, so folks who couldn't find themselves last year have a better chance this year:

http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery [angio.net]

-Dave

• #### If you can't remember much of Pi: (Score:5)

on Wednesday March 14, 2001 @09:12AM (#363717) Homepage
Why not celebrate Pi approximation day [chalmers.se] instead? It's on an easier to remember day: 22/7.

The guy who runs that page, Martin Rebas, offers other number treats [chalmers.se], including the -2 club [chalmers.se] for people who can't even remember 2 digits of pi.
• #### Pi for everybody. (Score:3)

<{slashdot} {at} {neil.fraser.name}> on Wednesday March 14, 2001 @09:15AM (#363718) Homepage
Dmoz has a bewildering array of links on the topic of Pi [dmoz.org]. If ever there was an argument for people having *way* too much free time on their hands, this is it.
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• #### Oh, Boy! We get to /. the phone system! (Score:1)

It's mighty nice of them to post a phone number that we can call to try things out. I wonder how many simultaneous calls they can accept?

--
Dave: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
HAL: Screw you, Dave!

• #### Re:Pi, a mysterious and dangerous number. (Score:1)

Think of the children. Think of the millions slaughtered by bombs whose trajectories were calculated using - yes - Pi.

All these lives could be saved. Lets abolish Pi today.

Abolish pie? How un-american! ;)

<ducks the 3,141 flames about pi not belonging to just America>
• #### Re:learn pi (Score:2)

pi using photos through eve through ars digita.
Go there now... [photo.net]

(Do it. Do it now. It is what Einstein's Brain [echonyc.com] would want you to do!)

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• #### Re:If you can't remember much of Pi: (Score:2)

How is 7/22 (22/7, whatever) easier to remember than 3/14?

-- Dr. Eldarion --
• #### Re:Hmmm, crackpot or possible? (Score:2)

I stand corrected of course. Pi IS constant and can be calculated as the limit to infinity of an infinite sum. Still, the device in the book (for measuring 'local' pi) sounded pretty cool.

I hope that's clearer now :-)

• #### Slashdot via VoiceXML (Score:2)

Well, I'm sure someone has already mentioned it somewhere (Bob's Corollary to Murphy's Law: all possible useful comments you can make have already been posted to Slashdot), but I didn't see it in this thread: Slashdot is available over one of TellMe's [tellme.com] user-created extensions [tellme.com]. In particular, extension 1-19789 seems to work fairly well. I just "read" the headline and description of this topic over my phone. :-)

And if you scroll to the bottom of the TellMe Extensions site, you'll see their slogan: "Hack the Phone". I'm waiting until someone creates an interface to a Kevin Mitnick [freekevin.com] site. *g* There's something wonderfully self-referential about that....

• #### You're right, it's ambiguous.... (Score:2)

Hmm. Webster's [m-w.com] says that either rivalled or rivaled is correct. Bummer.

The rhyme came from one of Martin Gardner's most excellent Scientific American Books of Mathematical Puzzles and Diversions. I'll have to look and see what spelling he used. :-(
• #### Happy Birthday Dear Albert (Score:2)

Here's hoping you, Galileo Galilei, Alan Turing, and Enrico Fermi are enjoying a quiet informal gathering on this, your birthday. You may have had a funky haircut, but you changed our view of the universe beyond belief.

-drin
• #### TellMe ads (Score:2)

With TellMe, you have to listen to two ads before you get to an extension, or anything else useful. How many on Voxeo?
• #### stringing together numbers of pi... (Score:2)

I would prefer to be stringing together empty beer bottles.. If I drank 5k bottles of beer, *that* would be a party :)

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