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Posted by CmdrTaco
from the back-in-the-day dept.
doogles writes "I ran across quite a blast from the past today on ebay. A complete Transformers: Generation One set is for sale on ebay starting at $10,000 although at this time there are no bids." I was never allowed to have transformers as a kid. I had go-bots (a cheap knockoff if I've ever seen one). My friends had Optimus Prime, Starscream, and the rest. God I loved all those things. The show was allright, but those toys are a huge part of my childhood. Course the other interesting thing is how over the years the sets grew, and got... well, silly. But that first year... wow.
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  • You let your mom get her hands on your stuff?
    If my mom tried to get rid of my stuff, I'd figure it out and reclaim before she could do so :)

    Everything I've lost is because either I lost it, it was stolen, or a friend didn't give it back.

    Of course, I only got a few transformer toys when I was a kid...
  • my favorite and first was the original megatron.. probably the hardest transformer to undo and redo. it was a hand gun and it could be transformed into multiple things.. wish i could get just that one.. mb
  • Damnit, can't you people post these thing without putting a spoiler warning before them! ;-[
  • See the social outcast child with a toy fixation TRANSFORM into a socially inept adult with a toy fixation!

    auctioning off human souls! [ridiculopathy.com]

    ridiculopathy.com [ridiculopathy.com]

  • by Rahga (13479)
    Stuff like this doesn't happen often. Transformers rock....

    Anyway, my dad tried to get me away from Transformers when I was 8 by giving me $10 bucks and going to an overpriced toy store. I coulda gone home with a go-bot or saved my money for a transformer next month. I saved my money. ;)

    Eventually I grew out of them and went back to legos. Recently, went to go see "Transformers The Movie"... Now everytime I hear about transformers I am reminded about the retarded junkbots doing that ridiculous victory dance. Whatever happened to the turbo-tounged VA anyway?
  • Your post brings back some memories. I remember how happy I was that Christmas morning when I opened up my new Ultra Magnus. It was cool having a new pal for optimus. I also had Rodimus Prime at one point (I don't remember if he was ever in the show, but I think he was in the movie). I had the old Megatron and even Galvatron too. All of the above were obliterated by my brothers. :( Metroplex, otoh, I broke myself...though that was a very cool robot.

    I'm still jealous over my brother's Omega Supreme...still in perfect condition. Man....I wish I still had all my old transformers....if this guy makes 10 grand selling his, I could have at least made 3 or 4.
  • Do you know anywhere that i can find some pictures? most of my friend's transformers were pretty boring, that one was really neat and they were all jealous of me for it(an i wasn't a big fan). I want to see if it still looks like what i remember...
  • That's a sweet deal, even if its pricey. Wonder if the toys are really in good to mint condition.
  • The Beast Wars had a little joke on that when Optimus Primal made a remark about Teletran1(Gen 1 transformers)

    "Die cast technology, its a lost art"
  • I just got back from an Auto/Boat show (no, not AutoBOT show), and I noticed that brand new Kia's are going for a little over $10,000.

    Thus I must ask the question: Would it be cooler to have a bunch of Transformers that formed into a working automobile, or would you prefer a new Kia that transformed into a giant robot?

    (I'd have to go with the latter myself, since if I had the former I would probably lose one of the DinoBots that was part of the engine or something else important)

  • I was the first kid inmy primary school class to get a Transformer - a cool little car, can't remember the name now. In time I got many more transformers, Optimus Prime, Lynx (a cool space-shuttle that transformed into a sort of pteradactyl (sp?) with a motorised landing trolley that transformed into some animal thing IIRC), Omega Supreme (mother of all transformers but fiddly to take apart and put togethor lots of parts to remove and put in different places - lots of parts to lose), and a whole pile of others that I can't remember the names of now. Let's not forget the rip-off of transformers - MASK, they were more of a cross between GI-JOE and Transformers though.
  • What's with the ghetto blaster guy who is the size of a two storey building but when he transforms, he is reduced to a regular size ghetto blaster?

    In the movie there is a triple changer Transformer (train - space shuttle - robot, I had'im) who was to carry a whole bunch of other Transformers to some planet (while he was transformed into a space shuttle). Around 10 of them jump aboard INSIDE him, including the constroctabots(sp?). I remember they had a fight in mid flight, and the constroctabots transformed into devastator (who has to be the size of a building).. while still inside the space shuttle guy, what's up with that?

    Energy cubes. How the hell do they get the energy to be self contained in the shape of a cube?

    Flying. Most of the Transformers could fly as robots as if they were Superman. Starscream was a jet fighter, sometimes he transformed to fly, other times he didn't.. what's up with that?

    The planet where they are from. It's not a "human" planet! where did the VW beetles, ambulances and fire trucks come from??

    Optimus Primes' fuck!ng TRAILER.. where the hell did it come from?

    and finally... WHAT'S WITH THE TWO HUMAN FRIENDS!!! (you know, the dad and the kid with the hard hats and lab coats)

  • I remember the Transformers: Beastwars cartoon ran on Cartoon Network for about two weeks.

    Cartoon Network aired the last five episodes of the second season of Beast Wars: Transformers.

    The original Transformers fans can't stand them but plenty of kids are buying them.

    There are actually many original Transformers fans that enjoy Beast Wars. Read alt.toys.transformers if you don't believe me.

    Most are much cheaper made and there are so many different lines of action figures that it is hard for them to be memorable.

    You are partially correct. The toys no longer use die cast metal to reduce production costs, but they are quite durable. Many of the toys were far from memorable because they weren't seen on the cartoon.

  • I always used to wonder how some of those robots transformed when humans were riding in them. I guess as a kid I used to secretly hope for that one "special" episode where one of those annoying Earth kids would have an "accident" inside Bumblebee...

  • by fishbowl (7759) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @04:18PM (#480788)
    The privilege of asking a ridiculous price for action figures is supposed to be reserved strictly for those who keep the toys in the
    original sealed package! What's next, Beanies
    with the ear tags ripped off?

  • Actually, the Decepticon cassette player was named Soundwave and his Autobot counterpart was Blaster. Shockwave was the purple raygun that was a cyclops in robot mode. You were correct that the train/space shuttle triple changer was named Astrotrain.
  • by Donem (259965)
    An the masters of the universe!!

    By the power of GraySkull, I pronounce you man and wife.
  • ...and Jem. Who, now that you mention it, is truly outrageous. Truly truly truly outrageous.

    (ooh wo-Jem, the music's contaegous-outrageous.. jem is my name no one else is the same, jem is my name ... WE ARE THE MISFITS our songs are are better something something WE'RE GONNA GET HER).

    You can download the Jem title sequence [tfarchive.com] from the Transformers Archive [tfarchive.com] (clever avoidance of offtopicness, I know. Cheers!).

    -- Eat your greens or I'll hit you!

  • I grew to love them - but Legos were my true passion. In reading UGO's transformer page they had up when the DVD came out (Cant find the url - sorry) it mentioned that after the first season the movie came out and thats when the robots were destroyed. GENUIS! Everyone buys the $8 a pop toys and then they have to have the new ones cause their old toys are dead!
    There is this PA tho [penny-arcade.com]
  • Yup, his name is JetFire, I believe. IIRC, the model was originally made for some sort of Robotech toy line, and was modified for Transformers. Without a doubt the coolest Transformer ever.
  • Both cartoons came out the same yearin the U.S. Neither one was particularlly a rip-off of the other in the sense, but they did have to compete with each other based on the fact that both cartoons featured characters that could alter their form.

    1984 was (in my opinion) the greatest year in cartoons.

    -------
    Anyone else remember Voltron? Or did you think Power Rangers was an original idea.....
  • What's with the ghetto blaster guy who is the size of a two storey building but when he transforms, he is reduced to a regular size ghetto blaster?

    Several of your Qs are related to this - the way Transformers sometimes grow and shrink. Fanfic and MUSHes explain this as, each Transformer has the ability to put some of its mass into a little corner of subspace, sorta like turning oneself four-dimensionally sideways so you look smaller. (note the same explanation is given in Doctor Who for why the Doctor's time machine is larger inside than outside)

    This also explains why Soundwave has room for SEVERAL tape-bots - enough that, if stacked, would be much thicker than his chest.

    In the movie there is a triple changer Transformer (train - space shuttle - robot, I had'im) who was to carry a whole bunch of other Transformers to some planet (while he was transformed into a space shuttle). Around 10 of them jump aboard INSIDE him, including the constroctabots(sp?). I remember they had a fight in mid flight, and the constroctabots transformed into devastator (who has to be the size of a building).. while still inside the space shuttle guy, what's up with that?

    See above, but as always they NEVER make it simple. We see them WALK up the ramp if I remember, which means we can't simply say Astrotrain is bigger inside than out - he actually GROWS.

    I think the writers knew they were messing with our heads. :-)

    Energy cubes. How the hell do they get the energy to be self contained in the shape of a cube?

    Early on in the series, there are EMPTY cubes shown. They aren't self-contained.

    Just don't ask me what the cubes are actually made of. Probably the same mystery material as the Transformers themselves - a super-deformable material that, for instance, you can make flexible faces out of, such that a lifetime of talking doesn't cause metal fatigue.

    Flying. Most of the Transformers could fly as robots as if they were Superman. Starscream was a jet fighter, sometimes he transformed to fly, other times he didn't.. what's up with that?

    Sometimes you walk to the corner store, sometimes you ride a bike, what's up with that?

    The planet where they are from. It's not a "human" planet! where did the VW beetles, ambulances and fire trucks come from??

    Again it seems you missed the pilot three-parter. They all had the ability to transform into "Cybertronian" vehicles in the beginning - pyramid-shaped jets, high-tech cars, etc. When they crash-landed on Earth, the computer aboard their ship decided it'd be in their best interests to modify them to transform into forms resembling the indigenous lifeforms of the planet - and since they came from a machine planet, the computer's probe misidentified Earth vehicles as "lifeforms".

    Optimus Primes' fuck!ng TRAILER.. where the hell did it come from?

    Somewhere offscreen. :-) See above about how the writers knew they were messing with our heads - in some episodes, Prime transforms, and we SEE the trailer roll away offscreen. Later he transforms back into a semi, and the trailer rolls back into frame from offscreen - and in between we did NOT see the trailer parked somewhere near the battle area. :-)

    Similar problems abound. Shockwave's muzzle, everybody's guns, and so on - basically any "accessory" that would have been loose in the toy's package, appears and disappears as needed in the show. In one episode we actually SEE a gun appear in someone's hand. As I said before, I'm convinced Transformers are built with dimensionally transcendent Time Lord technology. :-)

    and finally... WHAT'S WITH THE TWO HUMAN FRIENDS!!! (you know, the dad and the kid with the hard hats and lab coats)

    The planet on which the bulk of the original TV series takes place is... Earth. There are humans there, I'm told - and you can't very well have a species of 20-foot-tall living robots walking around having pitched battles in the streets without SOMEONE stumbling onto it. In the show, the kid (Spike) and his dad (Sparkplug) worked on an oil platform the Decepticons attacked, and after the Autobots rescued them, they just sorta stuck around. In the movie, it's 20 years later, Spike has a kid, Daniel, and for whatever irresponsible reason, the Autobots keep the kid not more than 3 inches from any firefight that happens. :-)
  • It's during on of the battle scenes on the Planet of Junk. They actually used the real version during that scene (lyrics and everything), while they used an instrumental version of it during another.
  • Damn, I remember my old transformers. Now those were *real* toys. Not just plastic shite. I remember my wheeljack being made of metal, rubber tires, real damn paint. Hefty. Those were the days.
  • Yeah, that's something that dawned on me too.

    My toys from childhood are in DREADFUL condition. Star Wars figs with heads missing and paint jobs done on them. Transformers that have been kitbashed no end - or else literally destroyed through heavy playing. G.I. Joes (some so old they don't have Swivel-Arm Battle Grip) that have been kitbashed, repainted, and had their crotches broken off. An original Kenner Millennium Falcon which I: dismantled the cockpit and removed the cardboard wall so there's an actual hallway from the cockpit to the back compartment, repainted parts of the upper hull for battle damage, and DRILLED holes throughout in hopes of wiring it for lights.

    I still have all these sad relics. The busted Transformers still get played with. But I figure they're near-worthless in their current condition; they'd probably be worth tens of thousands of dollars if they were all in mint condition.

    But you know what? I think back and wonder what I'd be like if I kept 'em all on shelves or, heaven forbid, in the original boxes. It was fucking WORTH it. Even the Falcon - I got more enjoyment out of tearing it up than I would get today out of selling it in mint condition.
  • by Gendou (234091)
    It's played on the junkbot planet. I think that song is the perfect theme for this auction.

    The seller could put an mp3 of the song "Dare To Be Stupid" playing in the background as you try to decide whether or not to bid $10,000 for some junk.

  • I have a nephew now who has a set of MindStorms and the O'Reilly book (His Dad gave him the MindStorms I gave him the book). This kid is going to rock the world. It is still possible you just have to choose wisely.
  • by The_Messenger (110966) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @02:54PM (#480805) Homepage Journal
    I remember there were several Transformer "sets" which you combine to make a bigger robot. (A Voltron knock-off, of course.) Those were great because once you had bought one, you felt obligated to buy the rest.

    The original set was cool. I always wanted the Megatron that transformed into a life-sized gun. That would never have made it past the PR department these days.

    I remember one i had that transformed into a boombox. He had "cassettes" which transformed into small animal robots. I can't remember his name, though.

    I remember on Christmas I got a really, really awesome Transformer who turned into a white metal jet. Man, he was cool. An I remember how there was something wrong with him, so we had to return him, but they didn't have any more (being right after Christmas and all) so I got some truck dude who was Optimus Prime's cousin or something.

    I remember the occasional toy that would be really "stiff"; the joints would be very difficult to move. They tended to stay in one form most of the time.

    I remember making the obligatory "chi-choo-choo-choo-choo-chi" sound as I transformed these toys.

    I remember seeing the Transformers movie with my mom.

    I thought it was cool when, a couple years ago, my little brother started getting into "Beastwars", which, as you may not know, is a descendant of the original show/merchandising empire. Personally I don't think they're as cool as the originals, but hey, they're still Transformers.

    I remember seeing the original TV show somewhere a few months ago and being astounded at how awful the animation and voices are. This happens whenever I see one of the cartoons of my early years, such as Thundercats and He-man. What was that cartoon with the metal cyborg people with wings? Silverhawks? Oh well, I forget. These days I watch a lot of Japanese animation (although I don't subscribe to CmdrTaco's "anime newbie cheerleading club" here on /.) and it's amazing to compare even kids cartoons from Nihon with the crap kids watch today. Your parents may have though the cartoons you watched were trash... well, most modern cartoons really are. The few imported anime shows don't help much... I'm always amazed at the awful English dubbing. American TV people seem to think that because a show is animated, it should have cheesy "kiddy" voices. Dubs always seem stupid and immature. That's why I actually hope the American TV industry halts its current "anime is hip and cool, kids like it, so do we" before they fuck up too many series. I've heard that Rurouni Kenshin is going to be shown, dubbed, on Cartoon Network... God help us all. Maybe I should kill myself now?

    Anyway, I think this story is like most of Slashdot's stories over the past six months (mostly stupid and irrelevant), but thanks for the memories anyway. Transformers were a big part of my life too.

    All generalizations are false.

  • I loved the movie, but it always bothered me that it deviated away from the generation 1 series. Things such as the reduction in voltron-like transformers, The "autobot city", etc.

    I was very young when it came out, and so much differed from the series that I was almost disturbed by it - namely the finality of death, which was always glossed over in the series (such as, yeah we were all thrown into the lava, but we still live...)

    -Michael
  • That's great, but I think 99.9% of us don't read that site.

    Thanks for the info though.

    Really.
  • vi? emacs?

    NO!
    gijoe vs transformers vs gem (for our female geeks)
  • by Chacham (981) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @02:39PM (#480823) Homepage Journal

    Gobots may have been cheap, but IIRC, Transformers were a rip-off of Gobots. A good rip-off, but a rip-off.


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    while (ticks == jiffies);
    ticks = jiffies;
  • by Moofie (22272) <lee&ringofsaturn,com> on Thursday January 25, 2001 @02:58PM (#480829) Homepage
    Just FYI, they're re-releasing a bunch of the most popular original Transformers, and some new (and very very good) designs under the moniker Transformers 2000. http://www.planetanime.com has them, along with just about every other Japanese toy retailer on the net. Optimus Prime, Ultra Magnus (the Optimus cab with the car-carrier trailer), and a couple very nice new cars are available today, along with Fortress Maximus (which is the ungodly huge one you see in those pictures). I also have in my pocket the reserve slip for the original Megatron, due for release in June. I was as giddy as a schoolgirl when I found out about that.
  • by thatmoron (309497) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @07:03PM (#480836)
    A while back, I purchased a copy of the1986 animated classic, 'Transformers: The Movie'. This mini-epic starred Leonard Nimoy, Judd Nelson, and Orson Welles in his final performance. It opens with a Decepticon (the bad guys, for those who aren't in the know) attack on the Autobots' (good guys) city on Earth, wherein the Autobot leader, Optimus Prime, is killed, and the Decepticon leader, Megatron, is transfigured by a world-eating planet called Unicron into a far more powerful being, Galvatron, in order to destroy the Autobots' Matrix of Leadership, a mystical artifact which has the power to destroy Unicron. Combine top-flight Japanese animation with the best in cheesy 1980's pseudo-metal, and you have a cinematic delight.

    However, after watching the film several (yes, several) times, and discussing it with a group of my friends, I've come to some conclusions about a certain way in which the film can be interpreted. I believe that a Marxist/socialist/Communist interpretation can be applied to the film, analyzing its elements in terms of the Cold War scenario of the 1980's.

    For example, the Autobots represent to the forces of Capitalism, i.e. the Western World. Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus, their leaders during the majority of the film, are both colored red, white, and blue, the colors of the American flag. They live in a society which is governed by 'energon', a power source which they use as a form of currency. Also, they are governed by a concensus, even though their leader holds veto power over their government.

    The Decepticons, on the other hand, represent the forces of Communism, specifically the power of the Soviet Union, and the oppression of industry. For example, the Decepticons flee the battle of Autobot City in Astrotrain, a robot with the power to transform into a locomotive; this represents the Decepticons' dependence on industrialization, much like the Soviets'. The Decepticons are ruled in an autocratic manner, where those who can defeat or supplant the leader become absolute monarch over their society. The giant robot, Devastator, is the avatar of the 'collective' concept of Communism.

    Other elements of the film represent other elements of the repressive Soviet society as well. For example, several of the Autobots find themselves trapped on the world of the Quintessons, imperial judges whose verdicts always result in death. They represent the unreasoning Soviet legal system, which was state-controlled and made no allowance for mercy or jurisprudence. The Quintesson's servants, the Sharkticons, are mindless, all-consuming drones; they represent the Army, which enforces the decisions of the judicial system without question or apprehension.

    The Autobot Grimlock, who expresses his world-view in "Me Grimlock no kisser; Me Grimlock king!", eventually turns the Sharkticons against the Quintessons, with his superior physical presence. He is the analog of the Communist dictator, such as Joseph Brosz (Marshal Tito) of Yugoslavia and Ncolai Ceauescau of Romania; he enforces his desires through phyiscal means and terror, inducing those who serve the system to turn against it.

    When Megatron is transfigured into Galvatron, he slays the Decepticons who disagree with him, namely Starscream. This is much like Stalin's purges of the old Leninist regimes in the early 1920's, getting rid of those who don't agree with your policies in order to make your government work. Galvatron's transformation is not only physical and mental but also ideological.

    Several Autobots land on the planet of Junk, inhaited by the Junkions. The Junkions are ramshackle robots who are built and regenerate from the endless scrap heap which comprises their planet. They are addicted to television transmission, and much of the lingua franca of the Junkions is composed of phrases from common TV shows. They represent the endless proletariat of the Communist state, kept placid by the various media and endlessly regenerating from the wellspring of procreation.

    Unicron is a monolithic figure within the movie, instigating much of its action. He changes Megatron into Galvatron, initiating the subsequent disruption of the balance of power between Autobot and Decepticon. Imagine if something had given Communism a clear advantage over Capitalism, leaving the concept of capitalism in the dust; that is what Unicron is. He represents the inevitability of economic change from barter, to capitalism, to socialism, as proposed by Karl Marx. Unicron is the inevitable dialectic of history.

    The Autobots' Matrix represents the variable which economic analyses cannot predict, that is the desire of the human being for freedom and equality (Yeah, it's kind of hokey, but so's the plot). The Matrix is able to destroy Unicron, which is much like human consciousness disrupting the dialectic of history, resisting communism in favor of capitalism. When the Matrix destroys Unicron at the end of the film, it is much like the residents of East Berlin breaking down the Berlin Wall; they as well are resisting the inevitability of economic, social, and historical change from one system to another. These are just some of the elements in "Transformers: The Movie" which support the Marxist interpretation of its storyline. I encourage you to rent, buy, borrow, or steal it; it's great fun.

  • There opened but there are nearly 200 of them in the set. Even assuming just regular retail prices for each one that's pretty close to 10000$ right there.

    FYI --

    With a little quick math ($10,000 / 200 = $50) I think that it's safe to say that to have purchased these originally would've been an order of magnitude cheaper. I know that some of them got a little expensive, but I doubt any but the most outrageous of the transformers ever got past the $25 mark, much less $50. And there were lots of them that could be had at $5-$8.


    -The Reverend (I am not a Nazi nor a Troll)
  • Are you referring to the episode where SHipwreck was on a Prisoner-like island, and his family were some weird blob-like creatures, with his daughtter firing a bazooka at him?

    That episode WAS a mindfuck.

    interesting fact I can't confirm: the almighty Megatron toy(one of the few non-symmetrical toys), was actually released way back in 1974, but not named Megatron.
  • someone's already mentioned Jetfire/Skyfire is from Robotech with a different head. The Jumpstarters, Twintwist and the other guy whoze name I don't remember, are from some little novelty company.

    The little novelty company would be Bandai, I think. They made things like GoBots, Power Rangers, Digimon, etc. Oh wait - the Jumpstarters were Takara. Hasbro bought MOST of the Transformer toys from Takara. That's why Soundwave, Cliffjumper and Bumblebee, and a few others say "copyright 1974 Takara" (and why Soundwave looked so retro, even in 1984).

    As to Jetfire: trivia time. Hasbro decided sometime in 1985 that the Autobots needed air power, and Takara didn't have anything sufficiently different from the Decepticon jets, so they licensed the Veritech design from... Bandai.

    Takara didn't really like this. I guess they couldn't stop Hasbro from doing this, but they COULD prevent Hasbro from using the Bandai-designed Jetfire on the TV show. So they came up with a decidedly different design and character - and thus was born Skyfire. And the kids knew who they meant. :-)

    Look closely at the old catalogs if you can find any. Jetfire, the Deluxe Autobots and Deluxe Insecticons, and I think there were a couple others, were designed by Bandai (which is why you never saw them in the TV series) - and there's clearly a family resemblance, particularly in the heads. Now look again at the GoBots: made by Tonka, designed by... Bandai.

    The Transformer family tree grew in Chernobyl potting soil. :-)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25, 2001 @04:44PM (#480850)
    Vulvasaur? Is that like some Pokemon with vaginal powers?
  • by XeonTux (266035) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @04:53PM (#480854)
    ...spend more time on the HTML!
  • Dang, I was in 2nd grade or so. I remembered my mother buying the Optimus Prime one for me and more for her friends' (so the parents wouldn't have to go hunting to buy them). I remembered how hard it was to get. I don't think it was bad as getting a Playstation 2 though.

    Now, I don't remember what happened to my Transformers (didn't have all them). I also had Voltrons (lions one) :). I believe they both went "adios" in a garage sale. DOH!

    Ahh, the good old days! :)

  • not that transformers weren't plastic, but they were good stong plactic with some metal in it (joint pins and what not)

    Many of the transformers made today contain metal in the form of joint pins, screws, rivets, etc. and they are quite durable and usually more poseable than the original transformers. The majority of the Beast Wars and Beast Machines lines are also devoid of the electronic gimmicks you mentioned.

  • by Sethb (9355)
    Believe it or not, you can still buy a lot of the stuff from the Transformer's movie. I just got the DVD version [amazon.com], too bad there really aren't any extras on it...

    You can still get it on VHS [amazon.com], as well as the soundtrack on CD [amazon.com]. I had a good laugh watching Boogie Nights, when Wahlberg's character is singing/screeching "You've got the touch!" which is straight from this soundtrack...

    My other friends kind of make fun of me for having them, since they think G.I. Joe was cooler, but what do they know...

    Okay, those are shameless links to Amazon.com, but it's much better than paying the inflated prices that Sam Goody charges for this stuff...
    ---
  • Yeah, that is what I was thinking too when I first saw the Power Rangers. Nothing can beat the original Voltrons (excluding the 3D rendered one) :).

  • Wow. You'd think all we did in the eighties was buy stuff. I may remember all these brand names, and they may have marked my childhood by way of being there; but to say all these wonderful products were my childhood... I think not. They neither defined me nor altered the course of my life.
  • Damn straight! Transformers were the 'end of the end' for Saturday morning cartoons, and the toys were just as bloody awful as the show. I'm reserving a special place in hell for the marketeers who came up with this mindless, unentertaining crap.

    What I find most interesting is the age-related aspects of it all. The cartoons I remeber fondly were from a few years earlier, when the _average_ age of /.ers was about 1 year old. As I grew older, the cartoons got crappier. Then about five years ago, they got better again! There are some BRILLIANT cartoons on TV right now, which are being created by my microgeneration--the ones who remember what cartoons were like _before_ transformers.

  • by CokeBear (16811) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @04:58PM (#480876) Journal
    Are you a child of the 80's? http://publish.uwo.ca/~djfox/childofthe80s.html [publish.uwo.ca]

    BTW, if you're the author of this, or you know the author, drop me a line. I've had it up on my website for a while, and I'd really like to ask him for permission to have it there.

  • Ya know, for $10,000, you'd think maybe he could have worked a little harder on the web-layout.

    Or at least turned off the caps-lock key.
  • since halfway thru his advert, his caps lock key seems to have gotton wedged.

    I just hate it WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

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  • The odd thing is, the gun-Megatron is only being reissued in Japan. Apparently, due to restrictive toy gun laws over here, he can't be sold in the USA anymore.

    (As long as this story about Transformers is up, I should probably plug the rec.toys.transformers.moderated [toys.trans....moderated] newsgroup which I help to moderate, as well as the article about Transformers fandom [themestream.com] that I wrote a while back. And the yearly Transformers convention, BotCon [botcon.com], which will be in Carolina this year.)
    --

  • by Moofie (22272) <lee&ringofsaturn,com> on Thursday January 25, 2001 @03:03PM (#480885) Homepage
    Gobots were first in the US by a few months, but both had been selling in Japan for the better part of a year. I remember getting the vehicle that would become Trailblazer about five months before Transformers hit US shelves. If I'd only known what I'd had...I'd a kept the box. : )
  • by Alatar (227876) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @03:06PM (#480887) Homepage
    Funny, I thought G.I. Joe was a foot-tall doll, not a series of miniature men dreamed up to be promoted by a television show to gullible kids who will buy anything that's on the air (beginning to sound like Pokemon yet?)

    I bet, 10 years from now, there's some kid all "Dude, when I was a kid, my Vulvasaur kicked ass all over these lame-ass intelligent robot dogs like those kids have today..."

  • Looking back at all the posts, not one person has pointed out how miserably overpriced $10,000 is. Come on! I remember a couple of weeks ago there was a /.'ed video game collection of an unbelievable amount of games and that was only going for $20K, or so.

    This guy loves his 'bots, but anyone who would pay that much for them is silly. This guy isn't the only person out there with this collection.

    -Moondog

  • Sell "rare" Dragonball Z product imports and "rare" Pokemon imports on ebay. Pretty cheap and easy to find... One I found japanese pokemon cards at my local HEB.
  • Those are nice...but a bit pricey... Wish they'd just rerelease them in the US for a more reasonable price.
  • I see /. ModCops found something they disagree with. Marked as a troll in under a minute.

    Dissention from the collective childhood warm-fuzzy remeniscence earns a "Troll" rating?

    When I was a child, I was perceptive enough to see the inflection point where cartoons changed from entertainment tools to marketing tools. Seeing this disgusted me... Seeing a crowd of people who otherwise have excellent ability to see through marketing BS get lulled back into this stuff is really scary.

    Does everyone in our society have a marketing button that can be pressed, or am I fooling myself thinking that vigilant people can make purely rational purchase decisions?

    I still hate the friggin things.

  • That is a shame.. If you had taken better care of them you could have put them on sale for $9500 on Ebay and watch no one buy them.

    -gerbik
  • You know what was a brilliant cartoon? The first two seasons of Batman: The Animated Series. Is this a reaction based on age? No, I was a TF baby, of the most extreme sort. What else do I consider brilliant? A sampling:

    Beanie and Cecil - the original version, not that one season of "New Beanie and Cecil" in the early 90s... with the same pun problems as the Xanth books, but with a much subtler underlying wit.

    Dark Water (original 10 eps only) - More than brilliant, it was the extraction of what was good about 80s toons, in the 90s, without the toys (yes, I know, but those came much later... after the five part pilot and the five followups)

    Two Stupid Dogs - simple, entertaining, and way more subtle than it seemed.

    PowerPuff Girls - have you actually watched it with a critical eye?

    I'm avoiding listing anything marketted as an adult toon... no Simpsons, South Park, or Beavis and Butt-Head... because I feel that the type of show I mention above is far more interesting. There was someone involved in that show who thought, "let's see what we can slide in under these kids' subconciences"...

    I don't know if anyone's seen the new Spiderman or X-Men toons. Those are created by people from the five-year period immediately before the toy toons. They're awful. Worse than the toy toons, in a lot of ways. And things like the new crop of sloppy animation shows (Recess, for a perfect example) are just as bad. Cartoon Network and Nick are exceptions to this rule, and some of the newest stuff that is obviously the start of the TF era redux (Beast Wars, the other CGIs like Action Man, Max Steel, Starship Troopers, the remarkable extension to the Batman series Batman Beyond) are fantastic. I'm not sure where to place the new (also really good) Jackie Chan 'toon...

    I've dabbled enough in the industry to know that there's no real age component in the talent creating the best shows. The factors are more social and economic... Do the marketting people think the public (kids or no) are gullible and shallow at the moment... or more reachable with wit? What's going to get ratings? And given the Pokemon/Saban (gag) grab of the share, is it better to do more of the same and try for their leavings, or go in the radical opposite direction and see if you can't pull yourself an admittedly smaller, but still respectable share of the disposessed savier viewers?

    And of course, it all comes down to the pitch of the guy who came up with the concept in the first place... me, I'm looking forward to the new Reboot series.

  • No, that's "No Place Like Springfield"--though it was indeed the other episode I was thinking of, especially since I live in one of the many towns in the US that is also called Springfield (Missouri).

    "Worlds Without End" is the one where a malfunctioning disentigrator ray tears a hole in spacetime to a universe where Cobra won, involving such happy fun things as the 'Joes happening upon skeletons in the desert wearing their dogtags, and Steeler getting bitten by an infectious bug and getting delirious and hallucinating, and declaring that they're all dead and they've gone to hell (though they can't use the word "hell" due to BS&P).

    That's a mindfuck.
    --

  • A slightly edited version of the song is played during the Junkyon battle sequence (edited to fit the action, not for content or anything), and a bit later on after everyone's gotten together and ironed out all their differences. You can indeed hear the lyrics.

    The confusion may stem from the rare TFTM music score CDs, issued for the BotCon convention (and occasionally findable on eBay or Napster--search on the word "botcon"), featuring rerecordings of all the instrumental music from Transformers: The Movie.

    For the CD, Vince DiCola modified the instrumental piece from that part of the movie slightly, dropping in an instrumental version of the "Dare to Be Stupid" synthesizer riff to substitute for the music played at that point in the movie, which of course could not be included on that CD.
    --

  • If you think Ultra Magnus is cool, check out God Magnus, Super Fire Convoy, and God Magnus+Super Fire Convoy=God Fire Convoy. Look here [tfw2005.com]. GM is the blue one, SFC is the red one, and GFC is the really improbably large one at the bottom of the page. One thing to say...WOW.
  • Transformers were released much earlier in Japan.... In fact, all the original transformer toy lines weren't even made for that purpose, they were 2 separate failed toy lines that were merged together - the reason that so many TF's have actual opening cabins for pilots is 'cause they're supposed to have real pilots (Optimus prime, the decepticon jets, may more).. originally, it was some Robotech-ish alien-invasion war thing with heroic guys piloting vehicles that turn into giant robots.... The hand-held objects like reflector, soundwave, and megatron were from a different toy line. Both of these toy lines were released in Japan long before. Yes, Gobots were first in US, but TF's were first around. And most of the orignal transformers are at least partially metal - eg Optimus Prime's canopy is metal, ditto with parts of the Jets, many of them.

    Its interesting to notice how many TF's are bought as knock-offs and sold to be knocked off - The whole first line was knock-offs, someone's already mentioned Jetfire/Skyfire is from Robotech with a different head. The Jumpstarters, Twintwist and the other guy whoze name I don't remember, are from some little novelty company. Its the same now.... I've seen Chinese copies of the new Optimus Primal gorilla thing with a new head and a new box, but otherwise the same damn toy.
  • Well, you know, Transformers came out in the days before the Dawn of the Toy Collector--you know, back when everybody knew that toys were for playing with, not for saving against a college education. Back when toy companies hadn't thought to come out with Arctic Batman, Mountain-Climbing Batman, Nose-Picking Batman (with spring-loaded Booger-Flinging Action(TM)), and so on, to make toys that appealed more to collectors than to kids.

    People played with their toys back then--so it became super-rare to find any of them in good condition. Scarcity drives price--and for a complete set, of course you'll pay more than you would for individual items, just for all the work it took the guy to assemble it.

    Nowadays, everyone's collecting toys--and so, ironically, it will be decades before they're worth anything--if ever. Which means, I guess, that now toys really are just for playing with.
    --

  • John Moschitta, Jr., aka The Micromachine Man (also known for his FedEx commercials back in the day)? He's still around--in fact, he attended BotCon last year. There are some interesting convention reports on fan webpages about his panel. [botcon.com]
    --
  • With, as the commercial goes (in a voice that sounds like the speaker is simultaneously bench pressing 300),

    "More muscles, sir!"

    "More missiles, sir!"

    "More steroids, sir!"

    Okay, I made that last up. But still, it's sad to see that they've made the original G.I.Joe into a thinking man's cartoon...
  • When you were being conceived in a fit of passion by your parents I was building WORKING radios and transmitters from scratch, and collecting parts/gears to build WORKING robots. That's a real nerd's childhood, not pansy toys that have no functionality to them.
  • Granted the current American transformers (Beast Wars) are really bad I agree. Over in japan there is a new series called Car Transformers or as they have been dubed here transformers 2000. I special ordered a large number of them and had them sent to me here. They look like the origianl transformers in the good looking cars trucks, and trains. But When you transformer them it isn't as simple as flip them up on there back, they are MUCH much better in that regard. Heck it took me a good 20 minutes to figure one of them out the first time. I give them praise for that. Oh and for all you that love merge groups the train set is a just such a set. Lets hope that they bring it to america. You can find the vcd's of the episodes on e-bay.

    To Top it off they have re-released a number of transformers. Optimus Prime, Ultra magnus, Hot Rod, and a repaint of Fort Max the transformer that is over 2 feet tall. Megatron will be re-released in June for all you that want him (me oh me!).

    Oh and for those that don't know tranformers The Movie DVD was recently put out and you can grab it on amazon or your favorite place to grab those sort of things.
  • Don't have to get him on ebay. He's being reissued. You can pre-order him (and buy a bunch of the other TF2000 series, some are reissues, some I've never seen before, most are freakin' amazing) here. [explosion-toys.com]
  • Now THESE [nbci.com] Transformers, the new Car Robots series from Takara in Japan, are SWEET. Word is, Hasbro is bringing them to America.
  • Choose between Transformers and G.I. Joe? You're kidding right? They both rule!

    Don't forget the Care Bears. Hey, stop laughing, Care Bears rocked, ok? They had a cloud car, they had a cloud castle, and they could kick GEM's ass with that Care Bear Stare (and leave her all warm and fuzzy inside).

    --
    Bush's assertion: there ought to be limits to freedom
  • I hear you about the starwars figures. I collected Transformers too, but I never had THAT many of them. Probably 10-15 total. I eventually sold all of them in a garage sale for a few bucks.

    The starwars figures however I never got rid of. I remember the days of collecting them. It was 1983-84 when I started collecting them in bulk, not for collecting them per sae, but so I could play with them. :) I was about 10 at the time and I longed for the weekly trip to K-Mart so I could plop down about $2.50 for another action figure. That was about what I could accumulate during the week, but thats all I ever spent my money on (if I couldn't find any arcade games that is :)

    I managed to collect about 90% of the action figures, and a decent number of the ships. While I don't have the original packaging for most of it, and over the years bits and pieces have disappeared, I still have most of the collection. I suppose the only reason I kept all of them was because at the time I had spent my own hard earned money on them. I certainly recieved a few of them as gifts, but for the most part they came out of my own pocket.

    For this reason alone, I never had the heart to sell them or give them away, even though it was tempting at times. I know at one time I sat down and tried to figure out exactly how much money I had spent on action figures over time, and the total came up to something like $300 for all the figures and ships. That was a HUGE amount of money to me at the time, and I was almost stunned by it. No way I was gonna sell these off for a few bucks in a garage sale. :)

    Of course, right now they're collecting dust out in my garage. Since I don't have the original packaging, and they're in far but mint condition, I can't see myself ever offering them up to some crazed bidder who simply can't live without them. I'm just going to hold on to them as memories of my childhood. I never kept most of the toys I had over the years, so it would be nice to have SOMETHING to look at 40 years from now.

    -Restil
  • Considering the current level of VA Linux stock, CmdrTaco might be able to pay the $10,000 but he'd have to bow out when someone else raises it to $10,050
  • yup that's right Nostalgia is expensive... I bet at least 50% of us who are male, grew up in the US and were born before 1981 upon seeing this thought depressingly to ourselves "I told mom not to give those to good will, along with my GIJOE's and StarWars Action figures..."

    If in need of a good guilt trip (to get extra money for beer-um i mean college) be sure you email that url to your mom :)
  • by 11thangel (103409) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @02:41PM (#480945) Homepage
    The thing that transforms from a bot into a handgun that looks so real you could hold up a seven eleven and steal the rest of the transformers off the shelf. The cost of megatron and the small fine for robbery is probably cheaper than it'll be to get them off ebay =)
  • I know!! I'll send a link to my auction to Slashdot (along with the standard nostalgic reminiscing bit about how much I remember Transformers from the old days).

    That way, I'll be sure to get some bids!

  • Ah but when Darth Vader dies and reveals removes the mask so he can see his son with with his own eyes, Good and Evil aren't so clear-cut-

    Was he Evil, and if so, how can Evil become Good?
    Or are there grayer shades of Good and Evil that only become clear when Ewoks chirp and dance wildly and pass out that good Ewok festive beverage?

    Does the movie also show that it's okay to rebel against your father, he'll forgive you in the end?

    I still have my action figures, millenium falcon, at-st, rancor, jabba playset, hoth playset, dagobah playset, and an x-wing. but the x-wing is missing one of its wings.

    We were poor back then and bought the x-wing used from the son of one of my dad's co-workers.


    A host is a host from coast to coast, but no one uses a host that's close
  • by Skyshadow (508) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @02:42PM (#480950) Homepage
    You know, this guy could be that bully who used to beat me up and steal my transformers at school. Maybe he had an agenda larger than small-minded terrorism.

    If so, I want Jazz back, damnit.

    ----

  • do you have a website showing the things you produced?

    A host is a host from coast to coast, but no one uses a host that's close
  • I have almost every transformer on that list (95% of them) from my childhood... I didn't take too good care of them though, and many are broken. I wish I had treated them better... not that I would EVER sell them!! =P But still, it's a shame they're not in good shape. I also have an almost complete set of the Transformers comic book series, with an extra copy of #1 in mint condition... how sad is THAT?!

    Transformers remain next to only Legos, Atari 2600's, and 386 PC's as the best toys of the 80's IMO. Pity they can't make transformers, lego, OR computers the way they used to. ;-)

    -Kasreyn
  • I had all sorts of Transformers when I was a kid. My fave's were the "Constructacons." Remember? The glow in the dark dump trucks and cranes and bull dozers that transformed? I loved those!
    And CmdrTaco.. i woulda shared mine with you. No kid should be without the Transformers! :)

  • by Robotech_Master (14247) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @05:44PM (#480962) Homepage Journal
    Neither Transformers nor Gobots were really a "ripoff". In both cases, what they were were American toy companies buying up overstocks of Japanese toys that hadn't sold very well, renaming them, changing the background around, and marketing them as something completely different in America. You can read all about the history of it in the Generation One [corollaperformance.com] section of the Transformers FAQ [corollaperformance.com].

    The odd thing is, the Transformers toys sold a lot better than the original Japanese toys on which they'd been based--revitalizing Japanese toy manufacturer Takara, who made most of the original Generation One toys, and still continues (in partnership with Hasbro) to make Transformers to this day. In fact, the Transformers cartoon became popular enough in Japan itself to spawn three new animé series (Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory), an OAV (Zone), and myriad manga, after the franchise's demise in America. In Japan and Europe, Transformers never really died out--a lot of the "Generation Two" and "Machine Wars" toys were American re-issues of European or Japanese product.

    Why do so many people think fondly of Transformers? Well, the writing of the shows, though occasionally juvenile, still managed to be sufficiently mature that not just kids but teens and even some adults could enjoy it. It portrayed all the characters as being three-dimensional--even the villains, who could have friendships, motivations, and respect for their adversaries, and who never resorted to the kiddie-show characterization of referring to themselves as "evil". To this day, there is a strident faction of Decepticon devotees active in fandom, who insist that the Deceps were misunderstood and that their "survival of the fittest" philosophy was actually in Cybertron's best interests. The show had some silly episodes, and some that make even the most devoted fans cringe--but at its best, it could really make you stop and think. You just don't find that kind of depth in most other kids' shows of that day, and even less in such shows of today.

    And that's just the TV show. There were comic books, too--80-some in the US (plus the 12-issue Generation 2 miniseries), 300-some in the UK--whose storyline was nearly entirely different from the show, and which featured some terrific writing--especially toward the end, during Simon Furman's run. These were a lot more mature than the TV show, with a more serious storyline and more room for characterization.

    As for the later stuff--while not as good as the original, Beast Wars did have quite a few good points. It's too bad they fired the creative staff and went on to make that god-awful Beast Machines thing afterward.

    As for GoBots . . . well, I'll agree with you that the toys were pretty cool (the ones I saw, at least). But the episode or two of the TV show that I caught didn't seem to live up to the sort of thing I saw in Transformers. It may just be a matter of personal preference, though.

    Anyway, I've written a bit more about TF fandom in this article [slashdot.org]. Feel free to check it out.
    --

  • When I was a kid, I had lots of Lego, and later on a bunch of Micronauts.
    When I was 11 or 12, my Mom made me decide: keep the Lego or keep the Micronauts. Of course, I kept the Lego! (figuring I could do more with it)

    However, I've never forgiven my Mom for making me go through such a choice. (not that I think about it, unless stories like this come up :)

    So, future parents, *never* make your kids go through this! I don't care that none of my toys are in the original boxes; toys are for playing, not collecting, dammit!!

    Ah well, that's just me going off on a tangent.

    Pope

    Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! Monopolies offer Choice!
  • by doogles (103478) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @03:18PM (#480967)
    I submitted the story, so obviously I am a huge Transformers fan. Let us not forget other Transformers-related outlets available:

    • Transformers: The Movie [800.com] - Yes, the original with tons of great voice actors--Judd Nelso, Leonard Nimoy, Orson Wells, Robert Stack, Peter Cullen. (and the DVD just came out a few weeks ago!)
    • Transformers MUSHes [yahoo.com] - Roleplay as your favorite Transformers with loads of other people. There's a whole lot more then just these two.
    • Transfans [transfans.com] - Probably the biggest organized Transformers club
    • Botcon [botcon.com] - The biggest and best Transformers convention. I went in 95 and 97--great toys, movies, people, and artwork.
    Have fun getting your Transformers fix.
  • I had some of both Gobots and Transformers as a child, and I seem to recall that the Gobots were made out of die cast metal as opposed to the plastic Transformers. Hence, the Gobots were a lot more durable and could be trusted around younger siblings... Grumble grumble lousy kid brother breaking an arm off Optimus Prime... Grumbel grumble...
  • my first thought was ..... "cool now I can avoid PacBell and put my office directly on the grid ..."
  • Who the hell is Morgan, and when is she going to meet the elusive "Eye"?

    You know, "Transformers...Morgan meets The Eye!"

  • by blakestah (91866) <blakestah@gmail.com> on Thursday January 25, 2001 @04:00PM (#480976) Homepage
    You obviously know how to get good advertising.

  • by Kewjoe (307612) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @02:43PM (#480977)
    its sad to see kids playing with pokemon.. back when i was a kid.. we had REAL toys.. transformers, gi joes.. none of those wussy pokeshits.. bring back the real toys!!!!!!!!! /rant
  • Incredible -- I hadn't thought of this stuff for years. I was in first grade when those came out. They put me in fifth grade (if memory serves), because they didn't know what to do with. In the cafeteria, I had to eat with the big kids. They all brought transformers to school. I'd never seen them before, but I was amazed by them. I saw a kid with Optimus Prime, and I decided that I simply had to have one.

    And I got one. For Christmas. In fifth grade.

    Oh, well, at least my parents tried.
  • Only one site has the truth: Where Are The Toons Now? [wherearethetoonsnow.com] Apparently Optimus Prime became a garbage truck; sad, but I think he's happier that way. Also features a documentary on He-Man's conversion from Master Of The Universe to disco diva; Grayskull never looked so pink...
  • by Robotech_Master (14247) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @11:04PM (#480981) Homepage Journal
    I held off on posting this for a while, not wanting to break their servers with Slashdotting . . .

    . . . but I've held off enough. You can get your Transformers fix right here [tfextreme.com].
    --

  • I heard somewhere a while ago that Weird Al's song "Dare To Be Stupid" can be found in the Transformers movie. Apparently even during a critical battle scene or something? It's just the music of course, not the lyrics.

    Anyone know if this is true? I've always wanted to check it out but haven't gotten around to it.

    Carl

  • by Skyshadow (508) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @02:46PM (#480983) Homepage
    Yeah, but the fun was in *breaking* the damn things.

    Consider: How much fun can you have with toys when you're being really, really careful with them? Peeling stickers, chipped plastic, loose joints and collateral damage are par for the course in protecting the world from the Evil Decepticons.

    ----

  • ...of our generation. Along with lego and Mechanno, such toys gave children of the era experience in manipulating objects in an object orientated environment. They could create classes of these objects, but would often skip classes to play with them. Parents of the era would also complain about their childrens skills in garbage collection, as I myself can testify. I learned to use pointers to shift bits of blame for these incidents to my younger siblings.

    That is why many children of the era, including me, became such great programmers.

    You know exactly what to do-
    Your kiss, your fingers on my thigh-

  • And one little thing I forgot to mention--Hasbro bought Tonka a few years back--meaning they own all of Tonka's toys, including the Go-Bots line.

    Which is how come when that water-squirting G2 came out, they could call him Go-Bots--and how they could call those later, Hot-Wheels compatible Transformers "Go-Bots" too.
    --

  • The original G.I. Joe cartoon, at its best, was a thinking man's show, or almost. It had some terrific episodes, such the two-parter "Worlds Without End," which was recently released on video, and may just make me break my "DVD only" dictum if it doesn't hit the shiny disc soon. I defy anyone to watch that show without shivering--it's a creepy SF/horror story that could have come right off the Twilight Zone. That episode should be pictured in the dictionary under the term "mindf*ck," it's just that good.
    --
  • No. The cheezy little transformers like Bumblebee were always just plastic. But the original transformers were metal and plastic, just like the Go-bots.

    And hell, the Transformers were somewhat creative. The Go-bots almost always transformed the same way.
  • I had that too! That was one of the innumerable variants on Optimus Prime.
    "If ignorance is bliss, may I never be happy.
  • But this is worse than paying insanely high bid amounts for a PSX2. They're pieces of plastic and I don't care how cool they are/were, anyone who'd be willing to pay even a 1/10th of that is simply demonstrating a ridiculous amount of sentimentalism.

    I'll lose a great deal of my faith in our species if this guy gets even one bid. I shouldn't hold my breath, I know someone is going to buy into this nonsense.

  • Cheap knock-offs? Nothing but misplaced childhood penis-envy! The go-bots...those were toys. Solid metal, looked like big blobs of metal vaguely reminiscent of actual vehicles you could use either use to pretend to save the universe from Cy-kill and Cop-tur(ha! you think they'd waste money on the tom-foolery of a marketing department to come up with names!?) or crush your friends skull in with the force of a tiny die-cast sledge hammer; Toys you could defend your village with.

    And names? No Optimus-Prime-straight off the hairdryer names for the go-bots, no sir! They were too cool for names: they got assigned a function, and then a number. Leader 1, baby, or Turbo as one of the frillier ones (bet he was a pooftah). Those were the days, crushing those anarcho-communist Renegades for the good of Gobotron!

    Nor did they stick around to become a burden on toy society, to be mentioned with shame these days; the go-bots knew when to die off and leave their heroic legend to posterity. bah, humbug.

  • by tonyt (115436) on Thursday January 25, 2001 @02:52PM (#481013) Homepage
    but when i look in my wallet, $10,000 is:

    MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE

    sorry, couldn't resist.

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