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R.I.P for D.I.Y Or Long Live Open Source?

Posted by Hemos on Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:02 PM
from the science-is-for-more-then-scientists dept.
Embedded Geek writes "Scientific American has an article on the decline of science hobbyists. It presents a long litany of woe you'd expect about the "Good Old Days" (the death of classic electronic tinkering magazines, Edmund Scientific's corporate changes, and the cancelation of SciAm's own "Amateur Scientist" column), but also discusses some of the real trends in technology that have caused these changes. Declining manufacturing costs now make it cheaper to buy a telescope, radio, or computer than to build one yourself. The increased complexity of our gadgets doesn't help either (Ever tried to fix surface mount components with a soldering iron at your kitchen table? Don't!!) "

Personally, I found the tranformation of science amateurs into "quasi-professionals" intriguing. The Society for Amateur Scientists now holds sessions on how to publish research and how to claim tax deductions for home laboratories. Also, amateur astronmers are making great strides in comet discovery. Being that most of the people in the open source movement are software professionals, it becomes easy to draw an analogy between it and tinkering of yore.

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  • A Bygone Era? Probably not. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by colmore (56499) on Monday April 15 2002, @10:07PM (#3347781) Journal
    Cheaper professional quality equipment doesn't mean an end to amateur science. It just means a refocus.

    Where 20 years ago, the efforts of the amateur were largely directed to the construction of equipment, now he or she can work at actual research.

    This is of course an extreme generalization, but just because the days of saudering irons and garages might be winding down, that doesn't mean that dedicated individuals outside of the academic and professional communities will no longer be contributing to the advancement of science.

    I will miss the amateur column in Sci Am though, I got a lot of good ideas from there.
    • Re:A Bygone Era? Probably not. (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Stephen VanDahm (88206) on Monday April 15 2002, @10:49PM (#3347977)
      For some people, the construction of the equipment is the whole point. And while I'm sure some DIY hobbies are in decline, others have absolutely taken off in recent years.

      I never got into building electronic stuff, but I'm interested in building guitars [mimf.com]. Lately, I've been itching to build my own guitar amp. There is even a website [ax84.com] devoted to it. Thanks to the numerous web [frets.com] resources [jps.net] out there, I can learn to build all sorts of crazy things that I never could have figured out on my own.

      I suspect that the people that like soldering electronic gizmos together in their garage are still around, just doing different things. A surprising number of the amatuer guitar builders are techies, for instance. There's a whole lot of awesome stuff left to build, so I don't think that people are hanging up their soldering irons yet.

      Steve
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    • Re:A Bygone Era? Probably not. by LinuxInDallas (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @11:15PM
    • Re:A Bygone Era? Probably not. by Grab (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @05:17AM
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    • Re:A Bygone Era? Probably not. by Safety Cap (Score:3) Tuesday April 16 2002, @07:11AM
    • Re:A Bygone Era? Probably not. by zeteo (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @07:34AM
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  • Those Electronic Kits by NetJunkie (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:09PM
  • Edmund Scientific closed? by Cheviot (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @10:10PM
  • Cost by alister (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @10:11PM
    • Re:Cost by Gunnery Sgt. Hartman (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @11:10PM
      • Re:Cost by Mister Attack (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @08:20AM
        • Re:Cost by Gunnery Sgt. Hartman (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @11:09PM
    • Re:Cost by Melantha_Bacchae (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @11:16PM
    • Re:Cost by josh crawley (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @11:43PM
      • Re:Cost by Mike Monett (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @01:19AM
      • Re:Cost by BrokenHalo (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @10:08AM
    • Re:Cost by (outer-limits) (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @01:16AM
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    • Re:Cost by AB3A (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @07:35AM
    • Re:Cost by CaptainPhong (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @08:42AM
  • obvious by wadetemp (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:11PM
  • I don't know about the rest of you by Indras (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:11PM
  • Telescope-building is not astronomy (Score:3, Informative)

    by Macrobat (318224) on Monday April 15 2002, @10:13PM (#3347805)
    I have a friend who owns two telescopes and two pairs of high-powered binoculars. We've gone out and scoped out the rings of Saturn, comet Ikeya-Zhang, and solar activity (with really strong filters). The availability of cheap telescopes does not mean the end of amateur astronomy, it means the end of amateur telescope-building.

    I forget who said it, but it bears repeating: "Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." It's the same thing. If my friend's interests were with tinkering with lenses and long metal tubes, he'd be doing that.

    If there were some special need he had that no manufacturer met, some special lens he needed, maybe this would be an issue. But companies stay in business by providing what their customers want. Especially when their customers are chiefly hobbyists.

  • Quality of manufactured telescopes is not good by stand (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @10:14PM
  • Some truth in the Topic Title by Apoptosis66 (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @10:14PM
  • seems to me... by vena (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:14PM
  • My take on it by xerph (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @10:14PM
  • Get a Ham License by lostchicken (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @10:15PM
  • In Related News... by robbyjo (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:16PM
  • Home laboratories. (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15 2002, @10:16PM (#3347824)
    I did what the Society for Amateur scientists suggests and set up a home laboratory i collect tax deductions on. Setting up a home laboratory is easy, you can have fun with it, and make some profit as well. I'm a big proponent of it. I do research with mine. In chemistry. Chemistry research.

    It of course has nothing to do with Ecstasy at all.

    What? the DanceSafe Bumper stickers? Um.. i just, uh.. support their cause and all. That's all. Excuse me, i have to go now.
  • Born in 1980 by RobPiano (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:18PM
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  • Radio Shack has become a crappy Best Buy by teamhasnoi (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:18PM
  • Sigh - Fry's has changed ... by taniwha (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:19PM
  • History of the column (Score:4, Interesting)

    by young-earth (560521) <slash-young-earthNO@SPAMbjmoose.com> on Monday April 15 2002, @10:20PM (#3347850)
    From this page [tinkersguild.com], a very nice history of the column in SciAm (though it was apparently a bit optimistic at the end of the piece):

    A Brief History of
    "The Amateur Scientist"

    Albert Ingalls
    "The Amateur Scientist" traces its pedigree to 1928, when famed astronomer Albert Ingalls began the column as "The Backyard Astronomer." Ingalls told amateurs how they could get personally involved in astronomy by building professional-quality instruments and carry out cutting-edge observations. Eventually Ingalls chose to broaden the column's scope to include "how-to's" from all fields of science. When he did, he also changed the department's name to "The Amateur Scientist."

    C. L. Stong
    Ingalls wrote his column for almost 30 years. When he died in 1954 the publisher selected C. L. Stong to continue the feature. Stong was an electrical engineer for Westinghouse and a master tinkerer who brilliantly extended the column, frequently peppering it with extremely sophisticated projects including home-built lasers and atom smashers. Many working professional scientists say that they first got hooked on science through Stong's amazing columns.
    In 1960 Stong compiled a book titled The Amateur Scientist, (Simon and Schuster) the only collection of articles that has ever been published from this column. However, limited to paper and ink, Stong could only fit in 57 projects. Despite being only a partial anthology, never being advertised in Scientific American , and appearing long before the rise of home schooling, Stong's book sold over 10,000 copies. It went out of print in 1972 and is much sought after today by amateur scientists.

    Jearl Walker
    Stong ran the department for over 20 years until he died in 1977. In 1978, Scientific American hired Jearl Walker, Ph.D. to take over. Walker had caught the publisher's attention thanks to The Flying Circus of Physics, a book Walker wrote which highlighted the fascinating physics of the everyday world. Under Walker's stewardship "The Amateur Scientist" presented fewer how-to projects, and instead focused on the physics of common phenomena. Walker's columns are still frequently consulted by educators and students alike.
    Walker resigned from Scientific American in 1990 after 12 years. Collectively, Ingalls, Stong and Walker account for 90 percent of all articles.

    Forrest Mims
    After Walker left, Scientific American decided to rededicate the column to hands-on projects and so they hired Forrest Mims III, a renowned writer of books for Radio Shack and an accomplished amateur scientist. They quickly learned, however, that Mims was an supporter of so-called Scientific Creationism, a movement that attempts to include the creation story of Genesis in biology curricula as a scientifically viable account of human origins. Not wanting to be perceived as supporting Creationism, Scientific American fired Mims. Mims charged religious discrimination and the story was carried through most major US news outlets.
    Although the incident didn't diminish Scientific American's commitment to the column, it did make them gun-shy about hiring another amateur scientist to write it. But professionals tend to be too narrowly focused in their own disciplines. The publisher invited many potential columnists to submit individual articles, and most of these were published under "The Amateur Scientist." But the magazine was unable to find anyone with both professional credentials and the incredible breadth of science knowledge necessary to recapture the popularity the column enjoyed under Stong and Ingalls. And without a regular columnist, the department languished, appearing only sporadically between 1990 and 1995. Most Scientific American readers stopped looking for it when they got a new magazine.

    Shawn Carlson
    In 1995 the editorial staff discovered the Society for Amateur Scientists. It's Founder and Executive Director was Dr. Shawn Carlson, a physicist and established science writer who had left academe a year earlier to devote his career to helping amateur scientists. Dr. Carlson took over the column in November of that year and immediately returned the column's focus to cutting-edge projects that amateurs can do inexpensively at home. Today, over 1 million Scientific American readers turn to "The Amateur Scientist" every month. The column has never been more popular.
    • Forrest Mims and SciAm by John Miles (Score:3) Monday April 15 2002, @10:32PM
      • Re:Forrest Mims and SciAm by markmoss (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @09:28AM
      • Re:Forrest Mims and SciAm (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Tackhead (54550) on Tuesday April 16 2002, @02:06AM (#3348597)
        > He deserved it. "Scientific creationism" is a contradiction in terms.

        Agreed on the latter, but I disagree vehemently on the former.

        Taking Forrest Mims' little paperbacks at Radio Shack for example -- the laws that govern electronics are the same whether God slacked off for six days and pulled an all nighter, or if evolution is correct.

        I fail to see the relevance of his unscientific beliefs with regards to biology if he's writing a column of hands-on science projects. Sometimes smart people make mistakes outside of their area of expertise.

        A similar example would be that of Linus Pauling (winner of the 1954 Nobel Prize for chemistry). It appears that Linus Pauling was just plain wrong [quackwatch.com] about vitamin C. This in no way invalidates his other outstanding work as a chemist.

        The difference is that Pauling wasn't raked over the coals for being wrong about one particular thing, and Mims was. IMNSHO, so long as Mims kept his creationist beliefs out of his electronics columns (and I can't imagine any project which would require us knowing about them :-), Mims' treatment was unjust.

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      • Re:Forrest Mims and SciAm by John Miles (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @04:09PM
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    • Re:History of the column by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @03:43AM
    • Forrest Mims (Score:4, Insightful)

      by dmaxwell (43234) on Tuesday April 16 2002, @07:18AM (#3349307)
      SciAm's behaivor was completely uncalled for. Mims is a very credible source for electronic's hobbiests. His pencil drawn handbooks contain technical writing that is as clear and succinct as I've ever seen.

      I would not take Mims seriously speaking as a creationist or Intelligent Designer or whatever they are going to call it next week. However, I take him very very seriously when it comes to electronics. Fair is fair, and there is nothing inappropriate about recognizing his electronics competence.

      SciAm tarnished themselves by not recognizing this and gave creationists one hell of a talking point. Shame on them.
      [ Parent ]
  • Wrong! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by asmithmd1 (239950) on Monday April 15 2002, @10:22PM (#3347858) Homepage Journal
    This guy is way off base. With everyone making web sites about their personal interests and starting email lists and web rings there may be less of a need for mass market magazines but the people are still out there (and way more available) if you look just a little bit.
    You can't buy one of these! Actually ... if you want to Email me
  • by slam smith (61863) on Monday April 15 2002, @10:22PM (#3347863) Homepage
    I remember when I was a kid, people actually used to be able to fix thier own TV's and stereo's. My parents had this really cool stereo that included a circuit diagram. (Who does that anymore?) Now adays it requires special training and tools to fix some of these things, IF you can even find spare parts. And if you do there isn't any guarentee that the parts will even be cheaper, than the cost of a new one. The compressor on my fridge goes out. I get a quote for $540 to fix it. I only paid 560 dollars for the thing brand new. I ended up buying a new one. The picture tube goes out on my TV. Well I didn't try to have it fixed. I just bought a new one.

    The scale of economics in building consumer devices in 3rd world countries is so great that it isn't really worth the cost of having them repaired. It's often cheaper to buy an new one, and even if it isn't the new features available in the latest devices still make it worthwhile.
  • Interesting by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @10:24PM
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  • Muscle wire and super-magnets (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Caractacus Potts (74726) on Monday April 15 2002, @10:24PM (#3347872)

    I've actually been doing more hobby stuff lately. Having more disposable income than your average kid makes a difference. Another difference nowadays is the greater variety of cool gadgets available and the Internet for obtaining them. I actually took time out of my busy weekend to build a flashlight out of super-magnets, some copper wire, and a couple white LEDs. To see the plans, look here [creative-science.org.uk]. Next weekend, I think I'll do something with muscle wire [robotbooks.com]. Oh, and those 100 ball bearings I just won on eBay, just wait and see...
  • It's also present in the software field by Ryu2 (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:26PM
  • Ironic of Sciam... by UberNex (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:26PM
  • by gregwbrooks (512319) <slashdot&blue-mouse,com> on Monday April 15 2002, @10:29PM (#3347891) Homepage
    When I was in high school (circa 1981), I borrowed an old, book-sized anthology of "Amateur Scientist" columns from a friend.

    That sucker never saw my friend's house again -- the stuff you could make was incredible, and clearly from a time before anyone thought about suing authors for writing potentially injurous copy.

    You could build (I kid you not):

    • your own X-ray machine (strong enough to kill mice!) out of old radio tubes;
    • your own rocket (5 feet high! Made of metal!) powered by oh-so-explosive powered zinc; and
    • even use an interestingly shaped chamber (can't remember the name, dammit!) to turn a stream of pressurized air into two streams -- one very chilled and one very hot -- using nothing more than the shape of the cylinder.

    (The latter, now that I think of it, would make a great case-cooling system. Gotta go to the garage and find that book...

  • by MavEtJu (241979) <`gro.ujtevam' `ta' `niwde'> on Monday April 15 2002, @10:29PM (#3347892) Homepage
    The increased complexity of our gadgets doesn't help either

    Or the (un)availability of not-so-complex devices. (1)

    It's easier to make a funny thing with a cheap Motorola 6800 or a Zilog Z80 than with a Intel586 or AMD K7. Both for the hardware side (it's only 40 pins and 2MHz) as for the software side (just a couple of registers).

    Also, how "easy" is it these days to add an self-developped extensionboard into your computer? The P2000T and MSX had some nice eurocard extension-slots with an easy to use bus. Heck, you even got the full specifications of everything when you bought the computer.

    (1) When I told this on IRC some people responded that I still can mail-order Z80s for AUS$ 20,- (same price as the i386 :-)
  • by Ryu2 (89645) on Monday April 15 2002, @10:32PM (#3347906) Homepage Journal
    DIY nuclear reactor [findarticles.com], no joke.

    He almost turned his backyard into a federal toxic waste site, and shortened his life by 5 years or so, but hey, it almost worked! :-)
  • I disagree. (Score:5, Informative)

    by red_gnom (545555) on Monday April 15 2002, @10:35PM (#3347919)
    I strongly disagree that it is cheaper to buy a telescope, than to make it by yourself. There is no way "ready to buy" telescopes could come close to the quality of image you can get with home made dobsonian telescopes in the same price category.

    dobplans [aol.com]

    Build Your Own 4 Inch Dobsonian Telescope [lymax.com]

    Telescope Making [efn.org]

    Dobsonian Evolution [aol.com]

    Small Dob Web Site [bellsouth.net]

    I built my own Dobsonian!! [moonlightsys.com]

  • open source analogy by Kircle (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @10:36PM
  • by TechyImmigrant (175943) on Monday April 15 2002, @10:39PM (#3347934) Homepage Journal
    > (Ever tried to fix surface mount components with a soldering iron at your kitchen table? Don't!!)

    I've always found that working with SMT is easier than through hole. You have gravity on your side. It will hold the component on the pad while you tack it in place.

    Just use a decent soldering iron that has a small enough tip and don't make the mistake of using too small a tip. A too small tip doesn't hold enough heat to flow the solder onto larger SMT pins.

    Also make good use of brush on flux and desolder braid. They are your friends when reworking SMT boards.

    When laying out your own PCB, SMT components let you get away with drilling far fewer holes and zero ohm resistors let you 'jump' over tracks without using vias.

    When it comes to probing, all your signals are generally available on one side. Most SMT parts (except BGA and LCC styles) don't shroud their leads like stand-up electrolytics and transistors do.

    One of the primary barriers to messing with this sort of stuff in America is the crappiness of component supply for the hobbyist. I have yet to see anything that comes close to the likes of Radio Spares or Farnell in the UK.

  • My take by resistor2004 (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @10:41PM
  • lawyers got in the way. by abburdlen (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:42PM
  • I don't believe so. by cdf12345 (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:44PM
  • Working with surface mount devices by Animats (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:47PM
  • Not just science.... by os2fan (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @10:54PM
  • Amateur radio (Score:3, Insightful)

    by OverCode@work (196386) <overcode AT gmail DOT com> on Monday April 15 2002, @11:01PM (#3348016) Homepage
    This is hitting amateur radio hard. Most hams purchase their equipment these days; it's nearly impossible to obtain modern levels of performance on home built transceivers. (Well, that's a generalization; antennas are often homebuilt, and some diehards do build their own rigs.)

    Why would people trade images with SSTV (slow scan TV, basically a codec for TV-resolution images sent over the radio) when they can email jpegs? For the most part, the people who do it are just in it for entertainment, not utility.

    There is still room for tweaking; in fact, the amateur radio community strongly encourages it. Radios still usually come with complete schematics (pages and pages of schematics, in the case of some of the larger units in the local radio club's shack). But it's pretty uncommon to pull out the soldering iron these days and work on the actual equipment.

    Better or worse? Neither. There will always be a small segment of the population that finds any given field (astronomy, radio, etc) exciting. New technology will just change their focus, but the interest is unlikely to go away.

    -John, KG4RUO
  • missing the meaning of science by Beckman (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @11:03PM
  • DIY is hardly dead by Phase Shifter (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @11:09PM
  • Difficulty is relative... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ChrisKnight (16039) <merlin AT ghostwheel DOT com> on Monday April 15 2002, @11:14PM (#3348058) Homepage
    > (Ever tried to fix surface mount components
    > with a soldering iron at your kitchen table?
    > Don't!!)

    Why not?

    I just soldered a couple of surface mount memory chips into my Tivo. Sure, the days of using a $12 Radio Shack soldering iron are long gone, but there are inexpensive Weller soldering irons that are well suited to todays ambitions hobiest.

    Telling someone not to make that surface mount repair is adding to the very problem you are complaining about. Don't encourage people to be afraid to experiment and learn. You may not be able to make that repair, but that doesn't mean someone else can't.

    -Chris
  • Not completely gone... by constantnormal (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @11:17PM
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  • Materials Simulation by Dr. Weird (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @11:18PM
  • Akihabara by ctar (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @11:18PM
  • DIY is very much alive here at /. by i_want_you_to_throw_ (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @11:26PM
  • It has always been by Joel Ironstone (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @11:26PM
  • Repair vs. Replace by CatPieMan (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @11:27PM
  • Heath kit TVs by Bluetick (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @11:29PM
  • Build a breeder reactor in your shed by Etcetera (Score:2) Monday April 15 2002, @11:35PM
  • sci am calling the kettle a rusty son of a bitch.. by spasm (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @11:44PM
  • This is present in EE too by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday April 15 2002, @11:44PM
  • Surface Mount by Shortwave (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @12:03AM
  • Monorails, Web Sites, and Open Source (Score:3, Interesting)

    by GroundBounce (20126) on Tuesday April 16 2002, @12:08AM (#3348233)
    It's interesting that an article about R.I.P D.Y.I should fall so close on the heals of an article about a guy who just built a monorail in his back yard! [slashdot.org]

    I think D.Y.I is alive and well, just in a different form. Yes, I grew up in the late '60s and early '70s fixing TV's, scavenging electronics parts from the dumpster of the local electronics store (yes, there were more than just Radio Shacks selling electronic components back then), and building my own transmitters, receivers, and light organs (anyone remember those!).

    As much as I've tried to interest my son and his friends in doing these things, they're just not as interested in these kinds of things. Instead, they designs web pages for their teachers, write computer programs to do everything from keeping track of homework to helping practice martial arts, fix computers for their friends, and of course, play lots of games (not all computer, they play chess too). My son also wants to build a zero-emission solar-charged electric go-kart; in my day a simple gas powered one would have sufficed - we didn't care much about pollution or fuel economy back then.

    The point is that the economics and complexity of electronic equipment has changed the types of things that modern hobbyists are interested in, but it has not eliminated the urge for people to experement with new things. Hobbyists are now more interested in solving larger, more global technical problems rather than the simpler gadgets we used to build. How this will change things in the long term, I don't know. When I was studying for my EE degree 25-30 years ago, many of my classmates were people who had tinkered extensively with electronics when they were younger. Today, I imagine that's not the case, but OTOH in computer science classes, there are probably *more* previous tinkerers than in the 'old days'; 30 years ago it was rare for someone to have had experience with anything more than a calculator in high school.

    As for open source, the trend for a lot of hobbyist activity to occur in software areas can only help.
  • the real reason by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @12:08AM
  • THE AMATEUR SCIENTIST ON CD-ROM by djimmah (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @12:08AM
  • I had wanted to build an open source programmer by Ilan Volow (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @12:22AM
  • Opencores by femto (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @12:23AM
  • bit-based experiments everywhere! by ediron2 (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @12:24AM
  • by elflet (570757) <elflet@nextquest ... minus herbivore> on Tuesday April 16 2002, @12:47AM (#3348362)
    While feeling ther demise of electronic tinkering -- my son doesn't mess around with electronics and science the way I did as a child -- I realized the tinkering has gone into other areas. We build robots with Lego Mindstorms. We design model rockets with Rocksim [apogeerockets.com] and fly with a local club. We design electronic payloads together -- he comes up with the concept for the booster, and I refine it while figuring out how to fit in the electronics. (We're currently mounting lights inside a Shrox [shrox.com] Alien 8 for night flying.)

    Adult "born again rocketeers" are building larger, faster, and more powerful rockets -- and the kids are following suit.

    In all these cases, we've taken the manufacturing boom and used it to support our hobbies. It's not the same as tinkering with low-level parts and raw materials, but in the end you still learn a whole lot about physics, materials science, electronics, etc.

  • Are you kidding?! by Ogerman (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @01:51AM
  • How about backyard filmmaker...venting on tech... by jordalenko (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @03:00AM
  • DIY on the web by cyr (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @04:18AM
  • Magazines dying out... but the 'net lives! by shoppa (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @04:51AM
  • I did hear a while ago... (Score:4, Funny)

    by LadyLucky (546115) on Tuesday April 16 2002, @04:55AM (#3349029) Homepage
    About a DIY operating system, but I'm danged if I can remember what it was called.
  • Best of Times, and Worst of Times by nica (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @05:00AM
  • Surface mount components by AX.25 (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @05:50AM
  • Scientific Tinkering is alive and well by Mr.roboto (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @07:55AM
  • Does anyone know where I can get a Heathkit? by psxndc (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @08:10AM
  • it's happening in kit airplanes by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday April 16 2002, @08:40AM
  • the goverment wants to kill DIY by bluGill (Score:2) Tuesday April 16 2002, @09:06AM
  • Hogwash! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by LionKimbro (200000) on Tuesday April 16 2002, @09:08AM (#3349843) Homepage
    Evidently, the something-for-everyone model epitomized by Heathkit and the Amateur Scientist column can't compete anymore. Specialized sources and Internet newsgroups cater to each skill level. But much of the mentoring and serendipity that the diverse community of amateurs offered has been lost. It is hard not to regret its passing.

    What an idiot. We have just largely stopped using magazines in light of the Internet.

    I've [gsu.edu] learned [tpub.com] almost [gsnu.ac.kr] everything [doctronics.co.uk] I know [ualberta.ca] about [amasci.com] electronics [ibiblio.org] from the Internet.

    Look at these books! [ibiblio.org] Look at them! All Free, as in Liberty AND No-Cost. These are some of the very best books I have found on electronics, on-line or off. Forest Mims the Third, eat your heart out.

    Do we want to talk about mentoring and serendipity?

    It was out of frustration that I compiled Lessons in Electric Circuits from notes and ideas I had been collecting for years. My primary goal was to put readable, high-quality information into the hands of my students, but a secondary goal was to make the book as affordable as possible. Over the years, I had experienced the benefit of receiving free instruction and encouragement in my pursuit of learning electronics from many people, including several teachers of mine in elementary and high school. Their selfless assistance played a key role in my own studies, paving the way for a rewarding career and fascinating hobby. If only I could extend the gift of their help by giving to other people what they gave to me . . .

    There you go.

    If anything, I'd say that amateur science and learning and construction is more popular now, because it is more accessible.

    It just doesn't take the form of magazine articles.

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