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IBM's Nanotech Drive Research

Posted by Hemos on Fri Mar 17, 2000 02:48 PM
from the tomorrow-today dept.
cfanjul writes: "IBM seems to be helping nanotech's slow march to end products with magnetic particles that can be made into a storage device with ten times the density of some of today's drives."
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  • Re:I HATE COOKIES by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:38AM
  • Avogardo's number... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @02:01PM
  • Re:This sounds like... by servo8 (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @01:07PM
  • Re:What I'd really like to see by Proteus (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @12:46PM
  • Microsoft might not be the first by mikpos (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @02:47PM
  • Re:This sounds like... by AnarchySoftware (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @01:01PM
  • Re:Old School by unitron (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @03:53PM
  • Nanotech Drive by unitron (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @04:10PM
  • Re: Data Tag by Zagadka (Score:1) Monday March 20 2000, @04:17PM
  • Server error by Sharks (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @09:54AM
  • Re:Server error by Tower (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:13AM
  • One key? (Warning: anal) by Craig Davison (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @08:28PM
  • Re:This sounds like... by GMontag (Score:1) Saturday March 18 2000, @04:09PM
  • This sounds like... by GMontag (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:27AM
  • Here's another link by B. Samedi (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @11:54AM
  • Re:NAME: anoncoward PASSWD:anoncoward by jovlinger (Score:1) Sunday March 19 2000, @02:53PM
  • Interesting Old Storage Method just for contrast by The Future Sound of (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:46AM
  • First 70GB, now this by erpbridge (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @11:42AM
  • Re:It's all in the keys by dodobh (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:39AM
  • Re:This sounds like... by ingvar (Score:1) Saturday March 18 2000, @12:12AM
  • Good Show by Vandermar (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @02:10PM
  • I get it... by LocalYokel (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:00AM
  • Re:It's all in the keys by grumling (Score:1) Saturday March 18 2000, @08:31AM
  • Re:Nanotech drives? This could be bad. by TicTacTux (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @02:42PM
  • Re:This sounds like... by tomson (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @12:00PM
  • Re:But can... by Spy (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:43AM
  • Re:What nanotech ist by clearcache (Score:1) Saturday March 18 2000, @07:10AM
  • NAME: anoncoward PASSWD:anoncoward by yuriwho (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @05:04PM
  • Re:Early storage device development by webrunner (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @04:48PM
  • Re:It's all in the keys by webrunner (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @04:51PM
  • Re:What I'd really like to see by webrunner (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @04:54PM
  • Re:This sounds like... by B'Trey (Score:1) Wednesday March 22 2000, @02:29AM
  • Tape Drives vrs. Disk Drives by timbu2 (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @11:26AM
  • Re:My predictions by anotherone (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @11:07AM
  • Re:But can... by anotherone (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @11:18AM
  • Re:It's all in the keys by Bear13 (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:38AM
  • Re:x-late into hours of mp3? by geekoid (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @12:38PM
  • Re:x-late into hours of mp3? by geekoid (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @12:41PM
  • Re:nanotech? by tarsin (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @09:56AM
  • Top Five Unforeseen Developments by Dust31 (Score:1) Saturday March 18 2000, @01:42AM
  • Re:I get it... by latcarf (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @05:52PM
  • Re:I get it... by latcarf (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:13AM
  • Re:What I'd really like to see by NeMeSiS0 (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @11:05AM
  • Big Blue's Nanobots by .Natalie_Portman (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @01:41PM
  • My Article Says 100,000 gigs! by Kramer747 (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @06:43PM
  • Re:My predictions by debugdave (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @09:58PM
  • Re:What I'd really like to see by Ig0r (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @07:27PM
  • Re:uh, is there an easier way? by Ig0r (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @07:35PM
  • Re:What nanotech ist by Ig0r (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @07:38PM
  • Re:Microsoft might not be the first by Ig0r (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @07:40PM
  • Wonder what Bill Joy thinks of this? by vsync64 (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @09:57AM
  • Re:This sounds like... by vsync64 (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:57AM
  • Re:So what's going to be the final limit? by tesserae (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @06:03PM
  • Re:It's all in the keys by NeMon'ess (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:59AM
  • uh, is there an easier way? by celestial13 (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:05AM
  • What nanotech ist by bfinuc (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @11:27AM
  • Re:What nanotech ist by bfinuc (Score:1) Tuesday March 28 2000, @12:52PM
  • Re:It's all in the keys by Leisuresuit (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:00AM
  • Re:It's all in the keys by Leisuresuit (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:16AM
  • Nanotech by jtatum (Score:1) Friday March 17 2000, @10:39AM
  • What I'd really like to see by Proteus (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @10:01AM
  • Re:x-late into hours of mp3? by SgtPepper (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @10:14AM
  • Re:What I'd really like to see by Zagadka (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @10:46AM
  • Re:What I'd really like to see by chialea (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @04:37PM
  • Re:What I'd really like to see by chialea (Score:2) Saturday March 18 2000, @05:13AM
  • Link, no login... by mattkime (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @10:34AM
  • IBM stuff in all hard drives.. by T-Ranger (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @09:58AM
  • It's all in the keys by Keeper ofthe Keys (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @09:55AM
  • Re:It's all in the keys by Keeper ofthe Keys (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @10:12AM
  • Re:So what's going to be the final limit? by ErikZ (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @07:07PM
  • They probably got a better marketing department. by Gorimek (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @03:43PM
  • Big box by xant (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @10:26AM
  • Re:This sounds like... by B'Trey (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @11:22AM
  • See nanochip.com by gregbillock (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @12:07PM
  • So what's going to be the final limit? by aliastnb (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @12:18PM
  • Re:Early storage device development by tesserae (Score:2) Friday March 17 2000, @11:15AM
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2000, @10:49AM (#1194970)
    > Where everyone walks around with a wristwatch size computer weighing 2 oz. capable of connecting to the global pervasive
    > network wirelessly, with a bazillion byte hard disk, 1 TerraHertz (THz) processor, but still has ....
    > a keyboard that weighs 2 LBS, and is larger than my arm!

    Nah, man. You're missing the point. Once we get these babies cranked up, they'll be giving YOU orders. Then all we have to do is hook a keyboard onto you, and you'll be fully configured to do the bidding of your new overlord and master.

    (Wristwatch-sized e-brain, upon hearing of the latest wetware in human peripherals:) "Hmmm. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these things..."
  • DVDs (Score:3)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2000, @10:54AM (#1194971)
    What's funny about the above comment is that IBM actually advertised that their new 75Gig HD can store "up to 18 DVD movies" [ibm.com].
  • by VAXGeek (3443) on Friday March 17 2000, @10:13AM (#1194972) Homepage
    I hope if IBM keeps on using these nanotech drives that they at least give them a nice orange color. I keep on losing all my nanotech drives either in my pants pocket or in the couch or something. Please, for all of us that lose things, keep on making drives with conventional technology so they can be standard sized. I don't want to have to reach for my microscope to install a nanotech drive.
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  • by GypC (7592) on Friday March 17 2000, @10:47AM (#1194973) Homepage Journal

    These would probably fit:

    • Little River Band
    • Little Richard
    • Tiny Tim
    • Little Steven
  • by SEWilco (27983) on Friday March 17 2000, @10:42AM (#1194974) Homepage Journal
    News Release [ibm.com] direct from the IBM Research server. Notice they hope to get down to a single magnetic grain eventually, for a density increase of 1,000,000 rather than the mere 100 which this 10-times-smaller allows.
  • by hey! (33014) on Friday March 17 2000, @10:36AM (#1194975) Homepage Journal
    I can see it now, some marketing coke-head accidentally losing the company web site.

    "Hey, Larry's snorted the new portal again! Quick, where are those the needle nose pliers?"
  • by smoondog (85133) on Friday March 17 2000, @10:38AM (#1194976)
    Although I'm putting it on my radar, I think that a little skepticism is in order. Remember bacteriorhodopsin memory devices? Probably not. They came along a few years ago as a memory chip that could store huge amounts of memory in a 3d bio-organic array. Problem was (as I recall) that they couldn't make the laser accurate enough to read it at useable densities.

    Anyway, my point is, we see alot more new technology storage devices in development than we actually see come to market. Its a little like drug design (a field I'm familiar with), where only a very small percentage of potential drugs actually make it to market.


    -- Moondog
  • by slpalmer (6337) <slpalmer@g m a i l .com> on Friday March 17 2000, @09:58AM (#1194977) Homepage
    [humor]
    Where is CmdrTaco's translation from storage space into hours of mp3? I depend on this information to plan my future music library! When will it reach the point that you can fit the music equivilent of the library-of-congress onto a single storage device?
    [/humor]

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  • My predictions (Score:4)

    by Signal 11 (7608) on Friday March 17 2000, @10:15AM (#1194978)
    I predict this will put IBM out of business. The reasoning is very simple: small computers aren't impressive.

    My company just bought a huge HP server. It's roomy enough to sit seven for dinner, muliple redundant power supplies, a 6 disk RAID system, ad nauseum. It's very impressive to look at. Of course, I could build a system to do the same thing at a fraction of the cost, but nobody would buy it because it's small, and doesn't Look Cool.

    That's the hidden thing that many companies don't realize. Why did Intel start making CPU *cartridges*? Simple - a small 2x2 inch slab of silicon looks pathetic. "You paid $800 for *THAT*? Ahahahahaha!" They say. Now, you go and show them a stylish cartridge with a cool hologram on the side and all of the sudden "ooh, ahh!" and they want one too.

    Nanotech is doomed.. it's too small. =)

  • by Blue Lang (13117) on Friday March 17 2000, @10:37AM (#1194979) Homepage
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 17 2000, @10:03AM (#1194980)
    Don't be dumb. We're talking about nanotech here, so obviously you could only store small songs. Duh.
  • by Nagumo (38787) on Friday March 17 2000, @10:53AM (#1194981)

    The heads are a definitely an important product for IBM. And yes, you can find them in other vendor's products. As for the hardest part to make, perhaps, but there is another piece that is just as tough. The flex cable.

    Flex cable is the ribbon that connects the actuator to the electronics. Sounds easy, but you have to remember that this thing is moving (flexing) constantly. Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, thousands and millions of times. It takes some serious physics to design these parts, while minimizing the costs. Constant movement inside a little oven, and you have to design these things to cost you pennies. Not easy.

    These are just two parts. What else is tough to make and requires significant engineering?

    • Platters which have to be ground super smooth and coated with the magnetic material. The slightest bump will cause all kinds of bad things to happen when the head contacts it.
    • The channel, which is essentially the A/D converter that takes the signal from the head. This is a big piece of R&D, and the specifics are highly guarded between HDD companies.
    • The interface code - controls how the drive interacts with the rest of the world. IDE, SCSI, FC-AL, etc. and of course it has to be tuned to handle the cases where the host adapter companies got the interface wrong.
    • the motor
    • Servo code to control the motor and the actuator. Handles the basics like seeking, and also the more advanced things like load/unload.
    • ESD concerns. The heads are extremely sensitive to static electricity. The electronics are too, but not to the same degree.
    • Electronic board layout. This is a lot of tradeoffs to cut cost.
    • Power and heat concerns. The attention that these two items get is psychotic. The drives today are very efficient machines.
    • Test. Especially when working with the newer interfaces, newer heads (ie. GMR), etc. Lots of work here. The absolutely worst thing a drive can do is return incorrect data and declare it to be correct. Slightly less severe than this is if the drive explodes in a giant fireball. (At least then you know the data is bad.)

    This is just what I can come up with off the top of my head. The HDD world is a great mix of software and hardware (and some really genius R&D people). The cost to enter this market is absolutely enormous. And to remain in the lead requires a constant investment.

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