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% of my digital storage that is solid-state:

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Zero
  7693 votes / 32%
More than 0, but not more than 25
  13584 votes / 56%
More than 25, but not more than 50
  1123 votes / 4%
More than 50, but not more than 75
  311 votes / 1%
More than 75, but not 100
  312 votes / 1%
100
  426 votes / 1%
I do not store stuff digitally.
  537 votes / 2%
23986 total votes.
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% of my digital storage that is solid-state:

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  • Zero Because: (Score:4, Informative)

    by ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) on Friday May 25, 2012 @01:40PM (#40110635)

    Price per gigabyte is too high. I don't need to be able to max out my SATA bandwidth.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      But surely you have an SD card or other such solid state media for things like a digital camera, no?

      • But surely you have an SD card or other such solid state media for things like a digital camera, no?

        This is why I picked the "more than 0 but not more than 25" percentage level. I have a hell of a lot of SD and SDHC and CF cards, along with a bunch of USB sticks. Even so, the solid state stuff probably adds up to less than 300GB worth, whereas we have about 30TB of spinning magnetic disks in service at home, so call it about 1%. If the CD-R and DVD±R archives of photos, home videos, software, and so forth were to be counted also, the ratio would be even worse.

        Really, the more than "0 but not mor

        • So did I. However I noticed that the question was not really well defined: Percentage of storage capacity or of storage devices? In the first case, clearly my non-SSD hard disks completely dwarf my SSD USB sticks and memory cards. However in device count, the percentage is much more favorable to solid state.
          Of course, if you add CDs and DVDs as well as old floppy disks collecting dust, that again completely dwarfs all my solid state storage in numbers. :-)

          (Of course, strictly speaking, all my digital storag

      • Nope. Don't own a digital camera. If you want to go all nit-picky I do have a car that keeps some things like what radio station I'm tuned to in solid state. Oh, and my graphing calculator from high school could save things. I guess there must be a Dreamcast VMU in my closet somewhere... But I don't really feel like that's the intent of the poll here... And any USB key I own isn't "storage" in my mind -- I've used it for "transfer" of files but I don't keep anything there with the expectation of getti

        • I agree that USB flash sticks are not 'storage', they are vessels.
          • Not totally true... I use an Ironkey to back up my passwords etc so I can safely carry them around and not worry if they become lost. Backup.

          • I have a 128 GB high-speed USB stick SSD and I use it as storage. It's a storage vessel!
      • Re:Zero Because: (Score:5, Informative)

        by war4peace (1628283) on Friday May 25, 2012 @05:12PM (#40113875)

        I don't consider any of these as "storage". They're like grocery bags, you don't "store" stuff in them. If anything, those are all temporary data devices. To me, "Storage" means "long-term".

        • by flyneye (84093)

          I can beat that, the premise of the poll is how much storage is "solid state", which says in my mind that the proper answer to the question should be around 99 44/100% as the flip side of the coin is how much storage is "vacuum tube".
          Maybe it's just me.....

        • My phone and one of my ARM laptops both have microSD cards that are semi-permanently installed. They're where most of the data is stored. 32GB of microSD costs about £10 now, so there's lots of space in these devices. Not, admittedly, in comparison to the 4TB RAID-Z array in my NAS, but still more than the total of my hard drives a decade ago...

          By your definition, I don't store stuff on my laptop either, since it's all backed up on the NAS.

          • By my definition, it doesn't matter if it's backed up, it matters whether it's intended to sit there quasi-permanently. None of my solid-state storage devices are intended for that purpose.

      • Re:Zero Because: (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Trahloc (842734) on Friday May 25, 2012 @10:37PM (#40117171) Homepage
        I chose to interpret "storage" as "not temporary". All my long term storage is on ZFS arrays that do use ssd's for caching. Cameras and phones have sd cards but I don't count them. Camera cards are used until its backed up. Androids memory was copied from the backups for use, deleted once I don't care about it anymore. My OS is on an SSD, but its not used for storage, its used for running my OS. Dedicated game drive is also SSD, not used for storage, used for running games. Only place I store data is a ZFS array, if it isn't ZFS, its only temporary.
        • if it isn't ZFS, its only temporary.

          Larry Ellison would be proud.

          • by Trahloc (842734)
            Sun had great engineers, Solaris is/was trash, but the ideas they came from it are brilliant. Oracle just bought them, they've brought nothing to the table since their purchase. Thankfully FreeBSD isn't ideologically prevented from incorporating ZFS and other good ideas from Solaris the way Linux is. Just because Oracle pissed in Sun's pool doesn't mean that the ideas are suddenly crap. Or do you refuse to use Libre Office because Open Office exists even though its now a part of the Apache foundation?
      • But surely you have an SD card or other such solid state media for things like a digital camera, no?

        I'm not the guy you asked but I wanted to chime in: I have plenty of SD cards and thumb drives, all are blank. I don't 'store' data, there, I buffer it until I can offload it to my hard drive. The only solid state storage (i.e. longer term than just a day) I have in my house is all on mobile phones or tablets.

    • Re:Zero Because: (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Omnifarious (11933) * <eric-slashNO@SPAMomnifarious.org> on Friday May 25, 2012 @02:38PM (#40111487) Homepage Journal

      I have relatively small drives I use for things like my root filesystem. Those binaries are not constantly updated, so I'm not wearing out my drive by writing to it. This means that most binaries are paged in from the SSD, and if the system ever kicks their pages out of memory, they can be paged in again relatively quickly. So I think I get the biggest bang for the buck by sticking them on an SSD. I keep /var and /home on conventional RAID1 storage.

      • See, I might do that if Windows supported that kind of setup. (Yes, I use Windows on my home machine since I play video games on my PC not all of which are Linux compatible.)

        • It does, after a fashion.

          My xp setup (desktop P4, drives as they come):

          System: 32GB SSD
          Paging: 4GB PATA (I have loads of these, I just cycle them as they die)
          My Documents/temporary files & short archival storage: 12TB NAS
          Local "scratch" (for eg Photoshop, not that I use Photoshop, some games that seem to need ludicrous amounts of temporary storage): 8GB RAID1 PATA

          My Win7 laptop syncs to the Documents folder when I connect to the network, as does my XP netbook (which has a 160GB SATA spinny thing but hey

      • by Gothmolly (148874)

        You have it backwards. You're putting your fastest storage under the files accessed the least. Put /usr and /home on SSD for performance, and let the boot process basically take care of your typical system binaries.

        • Maybe you're right. But I strongly suspect that if I profiled disk accesses that I would see the SSD being hit for reads far more often than my home directory. But I should do that just to be sure.

          • Counting reads isn't the important thing, it's counting random reads. Most of what you will be reading from the SSD is going to be long contiguous reads of whole files. These are the best case for hard disks. A desktop hard disk can easily do 50-100MB/s in this kind of use, some of them can do more. A desktop SSD will do about 200-250MB/s. When it comes to small random reads, 4KB here, 4KB there, dotted all over the place, the SSD will still do over 50MB/s, often a lot more, while the hard disk speed w
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Baloroth (2370816)

      Price per gigabyte is too high. I don't need to be able to max out my SATA bandwidth.

      Spoken like someone who has never actually used an SSD. It isn't just the bandwidth: latency is also considerably lower. It's expensive, sure, and very few people "need" it, but practical speed increase is a full order of magnitude in many cases (I'm only using SATAII, also, which my SSD more than saturates. Upgrading to SATAIII should net me a 50% increase or more in bandwidth). But then, so is the cost/gigabyte.

      • Yes, I misspoke some by not stating how I did not need the latency improvement either. Yes, I have seen SSDs in action and it is impressive how quickly the computer boots and files load but that already takes less than one percent of one percent of my time on my computer, so it's almost entirely irrelevant to my needs.

        • by Baloroth (2370816)
          Ah, that makes sense. I agree that SSD improvements aren't strictly necessary for anyone, but my experience with the speed of program loading and overall snappiness of the computer makes it worth it to me. Of course, YMMV. For gaming, the performance increase is significant, due to the large loading times many video games have and the relative frequency of loading, but for general usage it would probably be (at best) borderline worth it.
          • Yeah, I find that having a 10 second break between levels is useful for responding to IRC and getting a general breather in. Honestly, now that I think of it, power consumption is where I would probably find the best benefit as it is. Maybe reliability, too, if I can get 1M wear cycles and a controller with good wear leveling.

        • What's the point of booting quickly if Windows 7 won't let you type in the password field for 90+ seconds after displaying it?
      • Re:Zero Because: (Score:5, Interesting)

        by arth1 (260657) on Saturday May 26, 2012 @06:14AM (#40119449) Homepage Journal

        Spoken like someone who has never actually used an SSD. It isn't just the bandwidth: latency is also considerably lower.

        If you're speaking average, yes, it's considerably lower. However, if you speak worst case, random committed writes can be much worse for SSD than for HDD, if you have a relatively busy drive that can't do its housekeeping because it's never idle for long enough, and have reached write amplification time[*], a single block committed write can take a LONG time (close to a second is common, and if really unlucky, more than that) as the drive has to erase and write to multiple sectors.

        While occasional stutters and no guaranteed minimal random write speed is fine for most use, and a win because of a great average, it's not fine for all use.

        [*] What about TRIM, I hear the cries from the peanut gallery? TRIM needs idle time in which to do its housekeeping (or the cure would be worse than the ailment), alleviates but doesn't solve the write amplification problem, and does not work on RAID. Oh, and it reduces the life span of the drive by causing extra write cycles.

        Longevity is not improving but going down on newer generation SSDs.
        SLC = 100,000 write cycles
        MLC = 10,000 write cycles
        TLC = 5,000 write cycles

        What the consumer cares about is price. And yes, TLC is a heck of a lot cheaper than SLC, but it's cheaper for a reason.

        This is anecdotal so don't put too much weight on it, but In the last couple of years I have replaced five hard drives (two of them were 15 years old), but have a stack of more than two dozen failed SSDs. Last one as late as yesterday.

        Use SSD when it makes sense, but understand what you buy, and when it does not make sense.
        On a normal desktop or laptop which is backed up daily, hell yes, the speed is awesome.
        On a RAID running real time databases where guaranteed IO is needed but average speeds are uninteresting, not so much.

        tl;dr: SSD is a boon, not a panacea

    • by Z00L00K (682162)

      I assume that USB memory sticks and SD cards are involved in the solid state count. And most people do have at least one of them.

    • I thought vacuum tubes were too expensive, so I moved to solid state.. Two tubes per bit gets pricey when it exceeds a couple of K bits. ;-)

    • It can't be zero, you have stuff in RAM. (and PROM, for that matter).
    • by Guspaz (556486)

      Since when have solid state drives been about maxing out your SATA bandwidth? It's about random read/write speeds, not sequential read/write speeds.

    • by Phat_Tony (661117)
      I added a $60 64GB OCZ SSD drive to my computer for just the OS and applications, and the speedup is amazing.

      Twice now, things got crappy and I realized the thing was full because some idiotic program was writing out some inane 30GB cache file to it, and I had to fix the program to not do that or else redirect the cache file to my spinny HD's. Otherwise it's been great. Really fast, and I hardly ever hear my HD's spin up unless I'm working with large files.
  • by tsa (15680) on Friday May 25, 2012 @01:44PM (#40110715) Homepage

    I have some data stored in the memory of my computer. For long-time storage I use harddrives.

    • by alphatel (1450715) *
      We built own own NAS with 10 TB of storage, all spinning sata. Sure we run our Macs/PCs/Notebooks/Exchange/SQL on SSD but how much storage can anyone afford to do on little 250gb solids?
      • by s.petry (762400)

        Seriously, 10 TB on SATA? You really must not care about how fast people access and store data. Either that or you have like 5 people sharing video storage or something so it's just streaming massive blobs. Oh wait, you listed a laundry list of Microsoft stuff, obviously you don't care about performance of your NAS.

        • It's a NAS. The N stands for Network. The bottleneck - latency and throughput - is almost certainly going to be the network, unless you're on 10GigE, especially if the NAS has a reasonable amount of RAM as cache.
  • But only in thumb drives and a small drive built onto my computer's motherboard for SRT.
  • Zero? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Lev13than (581686) on Friday May 25, 2012 @02:14PM (#40111135) Homepage

    Have a hard time believing that none of the people who clicked "zero" (31% right now) own a smartphone, a portable music player, a tablet, a digital camera or a USB thumb drive.

    • I own a cheap phone only reserved for calls and maybe texts, my Ipod Classic uses a HDD, I own no tablet nor do I own a camera much less a digital one, and I continue to frequently lose my USB thumbdrives (none in hand now), which is as good to me as not having any at all.

      While I can't say for the other 31%, I can say for myself that I made sure to double check before answering the poll with assurance.

    • Re:Zero? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Misagon (1135) on Friday May 25, 2012 @04:55PM (#40113617)
      I think that more people view USB memory sticks as being not as much for storage as for transfer of files.
      • I've got a USB stick on my keychain that holds things like my ssh keys and PuTTY executables. That's permanent storage.

        • by am 2k (217885)

          So if you lose your physical keys (or they get stolen), you've got to replace the public key on all of the servers you have access to? That's kinda annoying.

          • by kasperd (592156)

            So if you lose your physical keys (or they get stolen), you've got to replace the public key on all of the servers you have access to?

            If they are protected by a strong passphrase you will have plenty of time to replace it. My public key is protected with a passphrase with 130 bits of entropy.

    • by Tapewolf (1639955)

      Have a hard time believing that none of the people who clicked "zero" (31% right now) own a smartphone, a portable music player, a tablet, a digital camera or a USB thumb drive.

      Less than 1% is zero, right?

    • Who considers the data on the camera to be 'stored'??
    • by Xtifr (1323)

      Why not? Some people prefer phones that are phones, listen to music on their home or car stereos, don't take pictures, and don't need or want a tablet. Even some old-school geeks of the type that Slashdot still has plenty of. People with Slashdot IDs in the range of mine.

      Now me, I'm an old school geek in some respects, but I do have a smart phone, digital camera, "mp3" player*, and a handful of thumb drives. But I certainly know people who don't.

      * I assume it plays mp3s, though I've never used it with a

    • by jonbryce (703250)

      I do, but I don't consider them to be "storage".

    • I have nothing on my smartphone, mp3 player, tablet, digital camera and thumb drives that ISN'T backed up (stored) on my non SSD primary drives.

      They are temporary platforms that hold the data before I move it over/copy it to my storage. Bit like my ram.

    • by msobkow (48369)

      I do own a thumb drive. But it's not for "storage". It's for "sneaker net" between offices.

    • by Gothmolly (148874)

      You sound pedantic.

    • by black3d (1648913)
      The second poll option is "more than 1%". If it's less than 1%, you round down to zero, per the first poll option.

      If you have 3 terabytes HDD (thats a low estimate, with all the HDDs most of us have lying around, you might have in the vicinity of 10TB, but lets go with 3 TB for now), 1% of that is 30gb (HDD manufacturer math, 1TB=1000GB). A 16 gig iPhone, for example, would still leave you well under 1%. A 32GB would just push them over, into the 1%. Many may have no USB sticks, as I don't.

      If folks sta
      • by black3d (1648913)
        Aaaand.. that's all wrong. The second poll option is more than zero and I forgot it while reading comments. Beginning self-flagellation... now.
  • 25, 50, 75 (Score:5, Funny)

    by StikyPad (445176) on Friday May 25, 2012 @03:33PM (#40112323) Homepage

    No poll option for 25, 50, or 75 percent! Do you have any idea how much planning it too to achieve a perfect 50% balance of SSD and HDD with nothing but 240GB and 3TB drives?!? I'll give you a hint: I have 720 TB of storage, a new, dedicated air conditioner, and three mortgages.

  • I have some old, heavy, low-capacity hard drives. And I have some new, light, high-capacity flash drives. Which counts for more?

  • Most geeks are gonna have backup drives for digital media whose size far outstrips any solid state media they have. Myself I've got a 64GB SSD boot drive (no tablets/smart phones) and 2TB+ of hard drives.

    We're starting to get relatively close in price - now just a factor of 20 (SSD $1/GB, HD $0.05/GB), but I'd not be surprised if hard drives remain cheaper for at least another 10 years.

  • I don't like the nature of solid state storage, I know that it will fail at some time in the future, although that may be after 10 years of hard use. So I avoid it. Then it occurred to me that 90% of my storage that is in daily use is SS, iPhone, iPlod, etc, I can't get away from it, it's haunts me, in a good way?

    • by Altanar (56809)
      Wait... You don't want to use a SSD because it might fail after 10 years of hard use? And how long are your hard drives lasting? I ask because I've rarely *ever* had a standard hard drive last 10 years.
  • by ODBOL (197239) on Friday May 25, 2012 @06:16PM (#40114713) Homepage
    I'm puzzled. Acoustical delay lines were liquid state, but they haven't been used in many decades. What liquid, gaseous, or plasma-state storage have I missed? The poll question and the discussion seem to treat rotating magnetic media as not "solid state." Those disks sure seem solid to me.
  • If we're counting total local storage including hard drives and devices like the iPhone, iPad and iPod, the zero to 25 percent answer will be the appropriate one for most posters here.

    It'll still be a number of years until truly reliable, high-density SSD's become viable, though I think by 2020 we may see SSD's using the same case size as current 1/3 height 3.5" internal Serial ATA drives store as much as ten terabytes and sold at reasonable prices. Ultrabook-type laptops by 2020 may store as much as two to

  • Right now, I have 960 gigabytes of hard disc space (three 250GB drives, a 120GB drive, and a pair of old 20GB drives) spread between several desktops and external enclosures. I have a further 14.25GB in USB flash drives. That totals up to about 1% of my storage being solid-state, if you exclude the stacks of optical media and the old box of floppies still laying in my closet. And all my SD flash cards. And my old Gamecube memory cards (also flash). And my phone's internal memory (also flash). But those I do

  • No fancy SSD drives, no ipads or smartphones, just a couple of ancient 128Mb camera cards (yes that's megabytes now get off my lawn) and a thumb drive (I think that's 8Gb).

  • by fa2k (881632)
    A 60 GB SSD as a cache for a 4 TB RAID 1+0 array, on ZFS. Not as good as a pure SSD, but using just an SSD would either be too expensive (I'd need a 512 GB) or too much micromanagement. And with 16 GB of RAM and ZFS's nice caching logic, it's not bad at all.
  • "% of my digital storage that is solid-state: "

    Zero
    and
    I do not store stuff digitally.

    wouldn't storing your stuff in a non digital format constitute Zero?

    dunno .. just being anal

    PS: magnetic media isn't digital either at the media level

  • Windows doesn't support redirecting your Users directory; opening the door for leaving the OS on your SSD and mass storage on traditional drives. Yes, you can remap the users folder on your own, but their documentation states pretty clearly that the user directory is hard-coded in places, like update scripts, that will break your system if you try this.

    Once this is resolved, I'll definitely give SSD drives a shot.

    • Windows does however support redirecting ANY of the non hidden User subfolders quite easily in XP, Vista, and 7 (only taking into account most currently used versions of Winders). So, what is your reasoning? 100GB of crap in your temp folders? /troll
      • The MS documentation clearly states that this is not supported and why. It's not based on "reasoning" or what my gut tells me. Go out and do the research on your own.

  • What does the poll mean with "percentage of digital storage"? I see three possible interpretations:
    1. The percentage of storage objects (my memory stick is one object);
    2. The percentage of total space (my memory stick can store 8 GB);
    3. The percentage of used space (my memory stick has 4.3 GB used).

    I voted according to the first interpretation, but then realized that one of the other two would make more sense.

  • Mostly, until I know they're going to search the room and I have to flush it. Then, not so solid. Backing up is a real bitch too.

  • Above 0, until my SSD breaks again.

  • by jd2112 (1535857) on Saturday May 26, 2012 @05:52PM (#40123527)
    Punch cards count as solid state right?
  • Answered this by capacity used: About 340gb of solid state and ~200 stored on traditional HDDs. (The latter is prone to growing much larger on occasion)
  • Because i don't know any storage media that's in liquid or gaseous form, or a plasma.

  • Well, there's about 16GB Solid State on my phone, 8 more on my mp3-Player and about the same on various usb-drives. Compared to 6TB internal and 1TB external HDD-storage, well
    I don't see how I will get a significant impact on the SSD-percentage of my storage without winning the lottery.

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