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Jeremiah Cornelius's Journal: Come now, you rich -- Jesus was a Socialist 33

Journal by Jeremiah Cornelius

To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away.
-- Matthew 25:15

And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.
-- Acts 2:44-45

Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.
-- Acts 4:32-35

  Jesus said to him, "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."
-- Matthew 19:21

But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?
-- 1 John 3:17

For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, "Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack."
-- 2 Corinthians 8:13

Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need.
-- Ephesians 4:28

Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.
-- James 5:1-6

And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, âoeIt is written, "My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you make it a den of robbers."
-- Matthew 21:12

Then he will answer them, saying, "Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me."
-- Matthew 25:36

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Come now, you rich -- Jesus was a Socialist

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  • Go read the Parable of the Talents [blueletterbible.org], in full. The Socialist in that equation is the deadbeat with the 1 talent who gets wrecked for his lack of industriousness.
    I teach Sunday School. If you'd like, I'll take apart the rest of your context-free quotes for you.
    • by mcgrew (92797) *

      Yes, I noticed that, too. The parable of the talents, unlike most of Christ's teachings, isn't about compassion, love, charity, forgiveness, paying one's taxes, or generosity. As you said, It's about fear of authority and industriousness.

      But Jesus wasn't just a liberal, he was a radical. If you're a Sunday School teacher you should know that. The men who tortured Jesus to death were conservatives.

      But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye ne

      • BTW, what denomination?

        To the extent that it matters, Baptist.

        • That's the Jerry Springer Sect, right?

          Jesus was Roman psyops [covertmessiah.com]

          • Jesus is the meaning of life.
            • by mcgrew (92797) *

              God is the meaning of life. Jesus is the doorway to eternal life.

              • Difference that doesn't make much difference to me.
                • Life doesn't have "meaning" in any objective, intellectual sense. Life has value.

                  The intellect is too puny, and life too great. This is the mystery of divinity and the nature of the spirit, that will never be made comprehensible in its fullness to the mere mind.

                  Life has a value beyond meaning, and that is intimately connected with our existence in God - who cannot be a creature, nor be confined to having "mental states" - which are products of various limitations. God has none such.

                  Jesus Christ is a manif

                  • I think we're all a body/mind concoction, with optional soul.
                    Concur that you can't round off the mystical bits in the soul to make them mind-compatible. If you could, it should long since have been done. The soul remains a subjective critter.
                    As far as your Christology point, Christianity is vast enough that you can level any criticism you want and find some valid basis for it. Which is why I'm not an apologist for Christianity, only Christ.
            • Life just is. It needs no meaning. That's just humans craving the father figure, a pretext for authority.

              • You deliver the Statist mantra well, but that is by no means the liberty of Christ.
                • Nothing 'statist' about it. You're making things up. It is your insistence on a defined (by whom?) purpose that is much more authoritarian (statist).

                  • The bulk of human history is about strongmen ruling over others with an iron rod. Sure, Bismarck offered a sop the lumpenproletariat but let's not kid ourselves: Pharisees==Statists==Progressives==folks that dig them some power.
                    And you can spitball the Founders all you like, but they have at least set up a framework to make the individual the unit of analysis, not the godforsaken state. If we can keep that Republic, and not let it be devoured by the Progressives.
                    • I agree with everything you said here. I would also add ==Conservatives==Corporate Executives to your transitive equivalence.

                    • You pretend to have no idea who/what the state serves and refuse to address it. You pretend not to understand how all concentrated authority is the same corrupt institution, whether it's government, union, church, or corporate. All are merely competing interests. And they don't compete so much if their overall, collective power is threatened in any significant way. The goal amongst them all is identical. You are not for liberty. You are only taking sides.in an argument.

                      And you can spitball the Founders all

                    • Probably a fair point, though if we opted for more competition, the Corporate Executive threat would be diminished.
                    • You pretend to have no idea who/what the state serves and refuse to address it.

                      Theologically speaking, all Principalities and Powers all serve the same master.

                      You are not for liberty. You are only taking sides.

                      Well, since you've such a keen insight into my thinking, perhaps you'd care to elaborate upon why I think you're false.

                      The founders were only setting up a framework of their own aristocracy, a power shift. Only certain individuals were allowed to join the club. You're not fooling anyone there. The 'minimal' bureaucracy imposed up on the rest was a nice benefit, but purely ancillary, and definitely pragmatic. Cost/benefit ratios were well understood back then also.

                      Cheap shot, really; the 1787 Constitution was Pareto Optimal for its moment. It looks fairly obvious in retrospect, but there really wasn't going to be a way to end slavery at the time. That would just have to come later. Also, the 19th Amendment. You can't have paying citizen customers without letting them vote

            • by cffrost (885375)

              Jesus is the meaning of life.

              Quite a compelling argument you've made there. I think you've won me over: I'm convinced that you state opinion as fact.

        • by mcgrew (92797) *

          IMO that's a better denomination than I was raised on, the Methodists. I don't think I ever heard mention of baptism or communion there.

          My paternal grandmother was Southern Baptist. Grandma was one of the most Christian Christians I know. Her Presbyterian sister told Grandma that she was going to hell because she wore jeans.

          A few years back I lived two houses down from a small, impoverished Baptist church, so that's where I attended. They performed communion once a month, and the preacher there said that Co

          • The Corinthians passage is 1Cor11, but you have to read through Acts and consult the Gospels to get to the really minimalist point where some churches, e.g. mine, are.
            In duplicating the Last Supper with maximal fidelity, communion is for the members of that church only, and you have to be baptized to be a member.
            I've been through the study, and think that this is a Biblically sound interpretation. I fall short of getting too critical of those who do otherwise. I'm cozy that my church is coloring within th
          • St. Louis? You are going to lose your "local colour".

            'Course - tho' I never myself have been - St. Louis ain't specifically normal...

    • But everybody knows that Jesus was a Capricorn, and not a Republican.

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