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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/1/curl-obamas-2014-calculation-lets-have-war/

Whatever happens, this much is clear: We`re no longer talking about the IRS targeting tea party groups, the Justice Department tapping reporters` phone lines, the NSA`s surveillance programs, Benghazi. The president has smartly changed the subject to the most important decision a commander in chief makes: war.

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Best Syria analysis I've seen yet: it's all 2014

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  • Is the claim then that all the other conservative conspiracy theories that are listed in that statement were driven directly by decisions or decrees from President Lawnchair himself? I'm not sure that I've heard anyone make that accusation before, so I want to make sure I'm reading that sentence right.
    • conservative conspiracy theories

      Seriously?

      • Seriously?

        Yes, Even I can see it. You are still hung up on the personality, and completely ignore that somebody else is pulling the strings. As to your other comment, foreign policy throughout history has been remarkably consistent. It has always been Monroe Doctrine with a good dose of the Roosevelt Corollary. All the great powers experience the same desires, to grow as big as they possibly can, inevitable as the sunrise. There's nothing abnormal about it. It only confirms how natural we are.

        Regardless, I

        • It's all fun 'n' games until you're singing the Martin Miemöller [wikipedia.org] blues.

          You are still hung up on the personality

          No, I really don't care about #OccupyResoluteDesk; I care about the pattern of collapse, as the country implodes into a 3rd-world patronage system do to over-centralization. There may be someone here bent on going the Alinsky route and personalizing matters here, but, honestly, I'd as soon forget the rodeo clown. He is by no means the disease; merely the symptom.

      • Seriously?

        Allow me to give my view on each of the ones you listed.

        We`re no longer talking about the IRS targeting tea party groups,

        I see this as the IRS doing their job. The IRS is tasked with the collection of taxes. The Tea Party groups are openly opposed to the collection of taxes and in some cases have openly advocated for their members to not pay taxes, regardless of what the law says. If these groups are asking for tax exempt status, the IRS has the right, and indeed the obligation, to see that they are entitled to that status and that their taxes were paid correctly to

        • Just to make sure I have all this straight, George W. Bush was a rampaging, war-mongering, coked-out imbecile, right?
          And Barack Obama is this gentle community organizer whos' workin' hard, tryin' to fix a few things, and he'd've succeeded, too, if not for these meddling raaaaacists?
          • Just to make sure I have all this straight, George W. Bush was a rampaging, war-mongering, coked-out imbecile, right?

            Not quite. GWB was below-average intelligence and way below-average for POTUS; frequently rated one fo the worst our country has ever appointed.

            That said, he bravely quit using coke during one of his college experiences, and bravely quit drinking sometime in his 40s - what a brave man he was indeed. Was he really rampaging? He may have had a personal vendetta against a certain dictator who had tried to call in a hit on his dad, but otherwise he generally showed very little actual control while in th

          • And Barack Obama is this gentle community organizer whos' workin' hard, tryin' to fix a few things, and he'd've succeeded, too, if not for these meddling raaaaacists?

            The statement above seems to contradict directly with the notion of Obama having managed to unilaterally launch government takeovers of everything as part of a successful initiative to turn the US into a hellish socialist nightmare. If he has been impeded from progress, then presumably he hasn't accomplished a great change. So which is it then; is he a total failure who has been impeded by your favorite alt-boogeymen (in which case the socialist takeovers haven't happened), or is he a mad authoritarian g

            • Not quite. GWB was below-average intelligence and way below-average for POTUS; frequently rated one fo the worst our country has ever appointed.

              Until I've seen actual documentation of anything BHO ever did in college (I guess he edited some legal review, to which he never contributed?), comparisons are 'hahrd'. Bonus points for 'appointed', however. I guess if Bush hadn't been re-elected in 2004, the slanders over the 2000 election might have traction.

              The powers behind the presidency from 2001 - 2009 were coming not from the man named Bush but the man named Cheney.

              No, Der Decider owns his historical legacy. Has Bush ever, once, attempted to deflect responsibility to anyone else in general, or Dick Cheney in particular? I guess I've never understood the Pavlovia

  • by Arker (91948)
    I think this one [antiwar.com] hits the nail pretty squarely as well.
    • Lot of excellent linkage in that article, thanks. Overall, it's hard to come up with a consistent foreign policy. But there should be some simple overarching guidance: "We're going to help those consistently doing the Right Thing, and minimize entanglement elsewhere."
      The Obama Doctrine seems to be "Manage the news cycle, win elections". While one cannot deny that the pragmatism on display has been effective for him, it seems a tad myopic.
      • by Arker (91948)

        I think it's a mistake to focus this too personally on Obama. There seems to be a deeper state calling the shots, regardless of who is President, at least in the sense of a foreign policy groupthink in Washington which reflexes worships power and the exercise of power, that always wants to bomb or invade and doesnt give a rats scale tail what the rest of us think on the subject.

        Have you called/written your congresscritters? Big chance here to score one for peace, there will apparently be a vote called soon.

        • Concur. The whole business of centralizing power under Woodrow Wilson, with the Federal Reserve, and freezing the size of the House of Representatives has created precisely the Ruling Class that the Founders sought to avoid.
          As for calling my Representative/Senators, three bigger tools than Jim Moran, Tim Kaine, and Mark Warner are not to be found in our wretched Congress.
          • Reverse that, The 'Ruling Class' created Woodrow Wilson and the Federal Reserve. It is inevitable in all great powers. The 'Ruling Class' is called that for a reason. They have always ruled, more recently with the full consent of their subjects, even under the illusion of republicanism. Ultimately, this is always the result of their game [addictinginfo.org]... I can assure you they do not even notice.

            • by Arker (91948)
              It's unclear whether you mean simply that all societies develop a ruling class, or if you actually intend to imply some sort of conspiracy theory where the royal houses of medieval Europe were descended from space aliens and continue to rule from behind the scenes today.
              • I think the former, and agree: it's a function of the fact that people don't scale.
                However, technology has altered the information dispersal problem to a degree, and I find it sad that my good sparring partner fustakrakich seems so strangely complacent about the situation.

Machines certainly can solve problems, store information, correlate, and play games -- but not with pleasure. -- Leo Rosten

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