Journal Marxist Hacker 42's Journal: Surviving the Unsurvivable 36
For those who doubt that children can be born alive after abortion here's a whole lot of adults who have, in the last 40 years, been born after attempted murder from their mothers.
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Surviving the Unsurvivable
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Numbers are so very difficult... (Score:2)
According to the Guttmacher Institute, over 1.2 million children lose their lives to abortion every year in the United States.
Except that The Guttmacher Institute has different numbers [guttmacher.org]
In 2011, 1.06 million abortions were performed
And the numbers have been on a markedly downward trend since the 70s, so there is no good reason to expect a spike of more than 10% since then.
As for survivability, they also mention
Only 16% of all abortion providers offer abortions at 24 weeks.
They go on to mention that only 1.2% of all abortions occur after the 21st week.
If we go a little deeper into Planned Parenthood, they perform around 300,000 abortions annually across [wikipedia.org]
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All of them should be closed, permanently. The whole concept is idiotic.
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All standalone abortion clinics. There is no purpose for them in a world of Obamacare.
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All standalone abortion clinics.
So by that you mean only places that meet the Guttmacher definition of abortion clinics? Or do you mean something else? Please be more specific.
There is no purpose for them in a world of Obamacare.
Because the health insurance bailout act of 2010 allows all women to get abortions at hospitals, so you don't have to see any other facility that is capable of providing abortions?
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Anything not a hospital should be shut down. It is quite clear that abortion is far too invasive of a procedure to be done outside of an operating theater, with all of the ethical considerations, cost, and technical assistance that implies. Hospitals should only do abortions after mother and child have been evaluated through triage to see which is more able to survive, or if both are.
"Because the health insurance bailout act of 2010 allows all women to get abortions at hospitals, so you don't have to see a
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Anything not a hospital should be shut down. It is quite clear that abortion is far too invasive of a procedure to be done outside of an operating theater,
First of all, you do realize that if you do that, you won't be shutting down Planned Parenthood, right? They won't be performing abortions, but they won't be shutting down either. Only 3% of visits to Planned Parenthood are for abortions, if you say no abortions outside of hospitals any more, you still have the other 97% of their visits.
Second, do you realize how common non-hospital operating rooms are now? A lot of surgeries that were considered inpatient before are now done in dedicated operating ro
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"First of all, you do realize that if you do that, you won't be shutting down Planned Parenthood, right? They won't be performing abortions, but they won't be shutting down either. Only 3% of visits to Planned Parenthood are for abortions, if you say no abortions outside of hospitals any more, you still have the other 97% of their visits."
That was proven to be a lie by their own balance sheet.
"Second, do you realize how common non-hospital operating rooms are now? A lot of surgeries that were considered inp
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"First of all, you do realize that if you do that, you won't be shutting down Planned Parenthood, right? They won't be performing abortions, but they won't be shutting down either. Only 3% of visits to Planned Parenthood are for abortions, if you say no abortions outside of hospitals any more, you still have the other 97% of their visits."
That was proven to be a lie by their own balance sheet.
Do you have a reference for that? No, of course you don't. I expect in your next comment you won't go back to that sweeping assumption at all.
"Second, do you realize how common non-hospital operating rooms are now? A lot of surgeries that were considered inpatient before are now done in dedicated operating rooms that are not at hospitals."
With Obamacare, there is zero reason for any of those businesses to stay open.
If you are referring to operating rooms that are outside of hospitals, you are dead wrong on that assumption. Those operating rooms opened up because the space demand exceeded space availability at hospitals. The health insurance bailout does nothing to make more space available at hospitals. Even if you have surgeons and physicians start scheduling surgeries f
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"Do you have a reference for that? No, of course you don't. I expect in your next comment you won't go back to that sweeping assumption at all."
Their own balance sheet shows a HUGE percentage of their income comes from abortion and abortion related activities. The fact that they also do free stuff is immaterial and besides, is unnecessary unless you're a genocidal maniac bent on reducing human population.
"If you are referring to operating rooms that are outside of hospitals, you are dead wrong on that assu
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"Do you have a reference for that? No, of course you don't. I expect in your next comment you won't go back to that sweeping assumption at all."
Their own balance sheet shows a HUGE percentage of their income comes from abortion and abortion related activities
And your reference - that I asked for in the previous comment - is where? Nowhere, of course. You are making this up, just as you do with so many other statements, because it is the only way you can support your claims.
"If you are referring to operating rooms that are outside of hospitals, you are dead wrong on that assumption. Those operating rooms opened up because the space demand exceeded space availability at hospitals."
So build more hospitals. After all, the federal government is now footing the bill.
I have never heard anything about the federal government now paying to build an unlimited number of hospitals and staff them with an unlimited number of physicians, nurses, techs, etc. Do you have a reference for that? I expect not.
"Even if one or both are already married?"
Which is why nobody should have sex out of marriage, at all, ever.
You can't stop extramarital sex just because you don't
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"You failed miserably at that one. Look up "nonviable" and feel free to try again."
Nonviable like the Jews were nonviable in Hitler's Germany, you mean. If they don't die on their own, by God, we'll make sure they die!
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"You failed miserably at that one. Look up "nonviable" and feel free to try again."
Nonviable like the Jews were nonviable in Hitler's Germany, you mean
Comparing the side you refuse to understand to the Nazis does not help your goals to look sane. It is one thing to ignore math, logic, and statistics. But you really make yourself look like a fool when you combine all those into a crap sundae and top it off with a name calling cherry.
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It is, however, accurate, since your beliefs in Eugenics and reduction of "life not worthy of life" is the same.
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It is, however, accurate, since your beliefs in Eugenics and reduction of "life not worthy of life" is the same.
I have made not a single response along those lines. You putting words in my mouth does nothing to help you support your fact-free argument, and is likely an indication of the fact that you know you cannot support your accusations.
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Except of course your continued support of Planned Parenthood and their Negro Project, er, Teen Outreach Program. And their live vivisections, which you defend.
No difference between you and any other eugenicist.
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Do keep in mind (Score:2)
who were forced to deal with the fact that something psychologically incomprehensible had occurred in their country.
People who want to abide by the law are faced with a dissonance that the law has deviated from the truth subsequent to Roe v. Wade. Those of us who are spiritually alive discern this readily, and weep with national shame over our local holocaust.
Those who've aborted their souls seem strangely
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Yes, they are. Genocidal mania has a tendency to desensitize one.
good executions, bad executions (Score:1)
Most people would rather talk about how capital punishment is inhumane and unjust. Because there could be a case where the person is innocent, and didn't deserve to die.
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Yeah, ironic that. 52% of the patients that enter a given abortion clinic will die. Because 50% of them aren't even considered patients. The other 2% is just collateral damage.
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Yeah, ironic that. 52% of the patients that enter a given abortion clinic will die. Because 50% of them aren't even considered patients. The other 2% is just collateral damage.
Actually, no. Your number is too high. The source you linked to before was claiming to be using Guttmacher Institute numbers, yes? However as we saw before, the GI defines abortion clinics as
clinics where more than half of all patient visits were for abortion
Which means that at least some of the visits to abortion clinics are not for abortion. Then when you add in your thesis in this JE - that some abortions are survived - you reach the conclusion that clearly the number who die in the process is less than 50%. Your claim that 2 out of 50 - 4% - of all women die in
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Gosnell did anything OTHER than abortion?
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Your logic and math are flawed, as usual. But that's because both are biased by post-abortion syndrome.
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Your logic and math are flawed
Please show your work for that claim. I showed you my numbers and my calculations. You have so far been pulling numbers out of thin air. If you have logic, please demonstrate it.
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Your calculations were based on irrational assumptions- such as the assumption that abortionists work a normal workweek. Your argument against life and humanity is noted.
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Please show your work for that claim. I showed you my numbers and my calculations. You have so far been pulling numbers out of thin air. If you have logic, please demonstrate it.
Your calculations were based on irrational assumptions- such as the assumption that abortionists work a normal workweek
The irrational one here is you. I showed you my numbers and calculations. You insist that your numbers of pure fantasy are better, only because they fit your assumptions and worldview. You keep making stuff up along the way, but you refuse to give any kind of data to support your assumptions. You are the one being irrational, you are the one whose argument is falling apart rapidly, in the discussion in his own JE no less. I'm glad I'm not you.
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Numbers alone are not enough to prove anything. The question is the assumption behind the numbers.
Ultimately, your assumption is that the unwanted should be discriminated against and not allowed to live.
Ultimately, my assumption is that we cannot discriminate against the unwanted, even at the cost of our own freedom.
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Numbers alone are not enough to prove anything.
That is a shoddy excuse for ignoring numbers. There are few good excuses to ignore numbers the way you are doing, and none at all to justify the way you insist that the fantasy "numbers" in your head are better than the ones that actually exist.
Ultimately, your assumption is that the unwanted should be discriminated against and not allowed to live.
You are making a big assumption about me, there. As with most of your assumptions, it is not rooted in reality.
Ultimately, my assumption is that we cannot discriminate against the unwanted, even at the cost of our own freedom.
What you are demanding is way beyond costing only freedom. If you are looking for freedom from reality, you might be on your way.
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The biggest excuse for ignoring numbers is defense against genocide. Nothing else matters.
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The biggest excuse for ignoring numbers is defense against genocide.
Except you cannot possibly support your declaration of genocide when you are intentionally going out of your way to ignore the numbers.
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800,000 corpses a year says different. 60% death rate for children conceived in an African American Womb says different.
But hey, just keep playing with the numbers and definitions until your PASD feels better.
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60% death rate for children conceived in an African American Womb
just keep playing with the numbers and definitions
Do you realize how hilarious that accusation is when it comes from you, who has been making up numbers all along?
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The high rate of abortion in African American women is so well known that Planned Parenthood has been siting clinics in dark skinned neighborhoods for decades now. It's not exactly esoteric knowledge.
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