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Survey - George W. Bush more evil than Stalin, Mao, Lenin

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  • If anyone's knowledge of history and sense of proportion is so bad as to even put GWB on this list, then go full tilt boogie and say he's worse than the rest, combined.
    I'm not here to accuse GWB of being some kind of saint--he was another brick in the wall of Progressive decline, in my opinion--but I've really lost interest in trying to communicate with the kind of idiots who would juxtapose GWB and Adolf. Or Barack and Adolf, for that matter. It's so stupid, I can't even
    • While you are generally quick to defend Bush - and probably steaming over the fact that Obama is not on the top 10 - it would be interesting to see the list (article mentions a list of 40).

      However, there is one distinction that Bush has that none of the others on the top 10 have. Only he launched a war against a sovereign nation thousands of miles away while in the position of head of state. Granted, several of the others did not have the technology to do so in their time (Genghis Khan, especially), b

      • launched a war against a sovereign nation thousands of miles away

        I guess that's somewhat interesting from a logistical standpoint. And the regional politics of the Great Satan helping out the Saudis have some fun nuance. "Bush believed he was doing the right thing" is probably trivially true, but, again, omits an awful lot of Shiite/Sunni developments.
        Which is, again, not meant as anything sort of an apologist play for W. And you can keep the brother, too.

    • Phony as a three dollar bill... You must have the most fluid memory around. While he was president, the word 'progressive' never showed up. You are trolling, and can't be taken seriously

      • He deviated from the Big Government script how, exactly? I confess to all of the sins of being insufficiently critical and voting for him. Serves us right, the current mess. Now, let us reform.

        • Now, let us reform.

          Been eggin' you on for years. So far have gotten nowhere. Still waiting...

          • I'm doing my individual part. I think there are enough genuine reformers out there to represent a high single digit percentage of the population.

            • Which 'genuine reformers' are you talking about? Carson and Cruz? Please... Institutionalizing bigotry is not 'reform', or 'liberty', or anything else but bigotry.

              • Can you provide a sensible definition of 'bigotry', and an example of where you think Carson and Cruz have failed to live up to your proposed standard?
                The 'b' word seems to be the all-purpose kiss-off, these days. You risk evacuating it of meaning, like Tarantino did the Bigger Digger Trigger in "Django Unchained", I'm led to understand.

                • The dictionary definition is quite sufficient, and these guys are a fine illustration. It is not wise to provide 'material support' to these extremists. If you are against equal rights to a contract, or equal access to any other publicly available service, you are a bigot. You decide.

                  • I'll take your lack of specific examples of bigotry, even against the dictionary definition: "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself" as an admission that you're blowing smoke. Disagreeing with "their ideas" is not "intolerance toward those".
                    You seem to play d_r's game of raping the language in support of Holy Progress. Or am I overlooking something?

                    • You're overlooking plenty. It appears intentional. This is why argument with you is futile and foolish. You are just playing games, trolling. And your projection, it hardly needs mentioning, except that it is constant. It is you and d_r that are the 'identical cousins' here.

                      specific examples of bigotry

                      Their stand on equality for a marriage contract. It is bigotry. They are bigots. Typical redneck bigots. Are you one too? If you support them, then yes, you are.

                      And by their obsessions, their own orientation a

                    • Accusing someone of bigotry, just because they don't concur with an idea, is not the same as showing a specific instance of intolerance toward the subscribers of an idea.
                      I hope you can understand that you're leaving yourself wide open for fascism here.
                      The real issues involve power and money, of course. No one quite seems to grasp that, if there was not so much societal sculpture afoot via the tax code, we could all just do our thing much more in peace.
                      But try to share some real analysis, and get called a

                    • It's not an "idea", it is genetics that you are intolerant of. And the bigotry is based on intolerance against specific genetics. And boo on you if you don't like it, that's just the way it is. Analysis and reason is fruitless when confronted with tribalism and instinct. Just not worth my time. Besides, I am more easily humored by watching you play dumb.

                    • It's not an "idea", it is genetics that you are intolerant of. And the bigotry is based on intolerance against specific genetics. And boo on you if you don't like it, that's just the way it is. Analysis and reason is fruitless when confronted with tribalism and instinct. Just not worth my time. Besides, I am more easily humored by watching you play dumb.

                      The unintentional hilarity of YOUR shiny, new, fascist tribalism is its nihilistic inability to perpetuate hooey, but not the tribe itself.
                      I denounce myself afresh as the bad guy for upholding the notion that Form Follows Function; Flees Foolishness; Flames Falsehood.

                    • You don't have to 'denounce' anything. Just end the bigotry

                    • So you seem to say that disagreement == bigotry? Or is my refusal to accede to you bogus reasoning, itself, bigotry? Am I venturing into microagression territory here? Should I put a trigger warning on all my posts? Is this a subtle white privilege play? Do all roads lead to racism? Could you be more mockable?

                    • The issue is not 'disagreement'. It is simple bigotry, same as Jim Crow, just hitting a different crowd. But the song remains the same.

                    • Your capacity to rationalize fascism by laundering it through re-purposed terminology befits a prior century. *Golf clap*

                    • And the projection continues, eh.

                    • Indeed, you're the master thereof.

                    • Whatever you say, Pee Wee...

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      by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

      I agree he doesn't belong on that list. I do think on the list of America's worst presidents, he'd be at the top of the list.

      Ignored warnings from the previous administration, top FBI officials ignored field agents who were warning of something bad, and got our country attacked.

      Then he started an incredibly stupid war in Iraq, which led to the rise of ISIS.

      Presided over the building of mass surveillance of the American people.

      Took office during a boom, left office under the worst economy since the great dep

      • Took office during a boom...

        Say whaaa?

        • Oops, should have said "just after an economic boom". Sorry. And honestly, I wouldn't even execute Hitler or anyone else on the list. It's not a moral or ethical question - more along the lines of "why bother?" When all the arguments are said and done, it's more bother than it's worth. The dead won't sleep better in their graves. The living won't get closure (what a stupid idea). So, aside from revenge, why bother? It's simply not worth the hassle. Repeating the same thing over and over and expecting differ

          • Eh... how famous(infamous) would any of these people be if nobody followed them? Far as I'm concerned, everybody is looking the wrong direction.

      • Then he started an incredibly stupid war in Iraq, which led to the rise of ISIS.

        Yeah, but he wasn't the only chef gooning the soup. By which I mean, don't over-credit any one bozo.

  • The article mentions:

    Students from 37 countries gave their thoughts on 40 figures and significant events in world history.

    But it doesn't seem to mention who was on the list, or who compiled it, or anything else meaningful about it. It would really help with figuring out how these results came to be. In particular I can think of two more Vlads who i would expect to see in the top 10 list of villains, amongst others.

    Another glaring omission is Dick Cheney. This suggests that we are still a ways away from correcting the history books to show that indeed most of the terrible decisions attributed to the

    • The article mentions:

      Students from 37 countries gave their thoughts on 40 figures and significant events in world history.

      But it doesn't seem to mention who was on the list, or who compiled it, or anything else meaningful about it. It would really help with figuring out how these results came to be.

      If your read from the article that "The study was carried out to discover whether globalization was merging popular culture and beliefs" you can make some hypotheses: pre-select 40 globaly known persons, making some practical pre-categorization, i.e., 20 "positive" (e.g., Albert Einstein - you must be "crazy" to say something bad about him!) and 20 "negative" (e.g. Adolf Hitler - you must be "crazy" to say something good about him...*) - poor G.W.B. (i like that guy personaly) never had a chance.

      * actually

      • I prefer "Hitler wasn't ALL bad - after all, he did kill Hitler."
        • Some would say that I am literally (though I would argue more for figuratively) playing the devil's advocate here, but it has been pointed out before that no conclusive evidence was ever found to link Hitler to the Holocaust. Granted, it is hard to explain how it could have happened without him knowing it - and the Nazis are synonymous with ardent record keeping so it seems unlikely that they would have accidentally lost such critical information - but the worst of what came from Nazi Germany doesn't at th

          • Some would say that I am literally (though I would argue more for figuratively) playing the devil's advocate here, but it has been pointed out before that no conclusive evidence was ever found to link Hitler to the Holocaust.

            History (a Greek word - by the way, i am Greek) is a science (one of our guys, Herodotus, is considered "the father of History") that needs... its scientific EVIDENCE - and the scientifically HISTORIC TRUTH is that... no, i don't dare to write it! NO. i am not a coward, i will write it: "no conclusive evidence was ever found to link Hitler to the Holocaust." (plus, i must add that "Holocaust" is also a Greek word... and it does not mean what most people think it means - i just like good terminology uses!)

            Granted, it is hard to explain how it could have happened without him knowing it - and the Nazis are synonymous with ardent record keeping so it seems unlikely that they would have accidentally lost such critical information - but the worst of what came from Nazi Germany doesn't at this time track back to him.

            A

        • I prefer "Hitler wasn't ALL bad - after all, he did kill Hitler."

          So... the guy deserves some love... let's stop all that hate!

          There is a (more than a decade's old) great German movie called "The Bunker" (even if you have not seen the actual movie, you probably have seen "Hitler is angry because..." parody youtube videos with clips from it) - it socked many people, especially in Gremany (Adolf is more popular ouside than inside...), because it portrayed a "human" Hitler (NOT as a "good human", but neither as the unrealistic "evil monster" that is the usual way...)

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