smittyoneeach's Journal: I guess I can't get him to hold up his end

We had what I thought was a deal, but, after a month, he's blowing off his end of the deal. Serves to underscore what a crapflooder he is. News to none.
Meanwhile, we have a source for a series of JEs that could be of interest.

1. All forms of racial segregation and discrimination are wrong.

I hate this question at the first word. Using a universal quantifier blows away discussion.
In this case, people voluntarily segregate themselves all the time. What would you do, have forced randomization, for crying out loud? And discrimination: what is Affirmative Action, if not state-managed discriminatory behavior.
If if involves giving careers to Yet More Bureaucrats, my going-in position is against the idea.
To ATFQ, I'm against segregation and discrimination, but I think that attempting to regulate behavior via legislation is folly. Rather, we need to use the court of public opinion to promote positive behavior and chide negative behavior to minimize it.

What happened to carrot and stick?

[damn_registrars]

It seems you have given up on the carrot and now are hoping to motivate me with only the stick. Granted, the carrot wasn't that appetizing, but it was better than this.

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[smittyoneeach]

With you, the best advice is just give up. :-)

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[damn_registrars]

Well, you do make moving the goalposts look exhausting. I haven't tried it myself but I think I'll opt for continuing to directly address text instead.

Gotta fix that for you

[smittyoneeach]

. . .I think I'll opt for continuing to directly address text instead.

Unless the text in question is The Communist Manifesto. You have been somewhere between impotent and emasculated on that one. But hey: consistency is only a club to wield against conservatives, isn't it? :-)

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[damn_registrars]

. . .I think I'll opt for continuing to directly address text instead.

Unless the text in question is The Communist Manifesto. You have been somewhere between impotent and emasculated on that one.

You don't really have an argument to stand upon for that one. Your last JE on the manifesto was far more a meta-analysis where you told us about your favorite conservative reviews of the text and said almost nothing on the text itself.

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[smittyoneeach]

My argument is: you have failed to uphold your end.
It is the height of hilarity to watch you try to argue around this basic point, funny man.

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[damn_registrars]

My argument is: you have failed to uphold your end.

Being as you didn't demonstrate having actually read it yourself - based on the fact that you kept quoting other peoples' analyses instead of analyzing it yourself - you don't have a leg to stand on for that, either. I am familiar with the document; the goal was to familiarize you with it so you would stop lying about knowing it. It seems you - perhaps in one of your goalpost-moving routines - set that a while back as a goal too far.

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[smittyoneeach]

That was the whole point of the reading group--to go through it word for word, and satisfy your demand that I read it.

. . .the goal was to familiarize you with it so you would stop lying about knowing it.

It has thus far been every bit the dirty diaper I had always known it to be, for a quick skim.
It's almost as if you started looking at it for the first time, realized what a giant, steaming loaf of crap it is, and are not trying to dance around your unwillingness to carry out your end of a simple agreement. That's OK: I knew you for such a loser prior to commencing the journey, and am equal

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[damn_registrars]

for a quick skim

That appears to be as close as I could have ever gotten to getting you to read the document; which is really not a level to be proud of at all (in spite of your attempts to the contrary). I can't read it for you. Truly your last JE does not support any level of honest reading of the document from you, as you dedicated more space in it to quoting and discussing your favorite conservative authors and their take on it. Your mind was closed to the matter long ago, for sure - but when you were pretending to

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[smittyoneeach]

So, let's be clear: you're too lazy to carry through, so you're going to heckle my effort at reading the document, rather than do the honorable thing and just finish going through it.
Would you like me to forgive you for that?

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[damn_registrars]

There is no evidence to support you having been making an honest effort to actually read the document. When your JEs are dedicated far more to other peoples' analyses of the document then they are to the text (which you only have to copy and paste out) - and almost not at all to any insight from your - there is no strong argument from them to support the notion of you actually trying to read and comprehend the document.

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[smittyoneeach]

So you have a non-falsifiable proposition "no evidence to support you having been making an honest effort" as a fig leaf to paper over your general laziness.
Had you shred #1 of integrity and actual support for Karl the Daft and his lousy ideas, you'd insist on completing the reading, just to get more exposure to his rantings.
My theory is that you, yourself, realize Marx is just so much bollocks. But, like all truth, this is something you must deny.

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[damn_registrars]

Is there a reason I should expect that anyone other than you and I were reading the JEs we wrote back and forth on this? Most days the total number of active slashdot users might barely reach into the dozens, and the overwhelming majority of them are conservatives such as yourself who wouldn't read the Manifesto if it was distributed for free.

Oh, wait, it is distributed for free. And yet you still couldn't bother to even try to read it. We then attempted this exercise with my holding your hand and walk

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[smittyoneeach]

Wait, TCM is the greatest thing since The New Testament, isn't it? Hath not the Prophet Karl Marx spoken? How are you not flush with enthusiasm to spread this gospel to all corners of the Earth?

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[damn_registrars]

Wait, TCM is the greatest thing since The New Testament, isn't it?

Turning the zany rhetoric up to 11 now, I see. What other texts that you are proud to have not read would you be willing to speak of in that way?

This might be a hint at an underlying problem, though. It appears that you may on some level have convinced yourself that I was trying to politically persuade you towards a political philosophy other than your own by way of The Communist Manifesto. If you have convinced yourself of that, well you're just simply wrong. My goal - and I stated this many times -

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[smittyoneeach]

So, when you committed to reading TCM with me, you weren't committing to reading reading it? What's that accusation you keep laying at my feet? Something to do with "moving" and "goalposts"? Obviously I'm not an "expert", but I sure do feel some motion going on here.

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[damn_registrars]

I stated my goal many times. You were consistently evasive on what you wanted from it. Clearly, you did not want to actually read it, as you demonstrated repeatedly through the process. You undoubtedly walked away from the text before I did, and arguably you never honestly approached it at all.

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[smittyoneeach]

We haven't completed reading TCM. You seem more entertained by the act of weaseling your way out of reading TCM than by the act of carrying out an agreement.
This leaves you open to the suspicion that you've finally realized, as I've said all along, that Marx was nothing but a wretched crapflooder. Perhaps my work is done here.

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[damn_registrars]

We haven't completed reading TCM

Completed? You haven't even started. You were doing more of a meta-analysis because you couldn't put aside your pride long enough to actually look at the text seriously. It is not a perfect document, but if you want to keep calling yourself an expert - or even merely knowledgeable on it - you really need to read it.

I've said all along, that Marx was nothing but a wretched crapflooder

You are welcomed to say that all you want, but you cannot support that statement when you refuse to actually ready what he wrote. But if you want to troll The Communist Manifesto just as mu

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[damn_registrars]

the JEs I've already posted

I have never seen a JE from an anonymous coward. If there is a way to search for such things, please let me know.

delusionville

[Bill Dog]

we need to use the court of public opinion to promote positive behavior and chide negative behavior to minimize it

The court of public opinion says Christians should be considered ineligible for public office. The problem with the public, is that they can be bullied into supporting anything. So we have an era of ultra Political Correctness on our hands, where what's chided is the "negative behavior" of expressing Conservative thought. TLDR: Try again.

p.s. As a reference point, I answered 13 Y's out of 39 Q's. I guess that makes me a "convinced conservative".

p.p.s. Re: The talking about one of your Leftie pals doing

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[smittyoneeach]

The court of public opinion says Christians should be considered ineligible for public office.

Trivially refuted, as a glance at BHO's utterances about "my Christian faith" show. Though, on trial for it, I'm confident he'd be acquitted.

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[Bill Dog]

Wow. That's hardly refutation, because his side knew he was lying about that, and they're the ones who suggest that Christians shouldn't be considered. So of course they'd zipper that argument, for BHO. Because they knew it didn't apply to him.

That was too easy.

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[smittyoneeach]

I mean, sure, if you're willing to deploy a No True Scotsman argument, you can rebuff pretty much anything.

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[Bill Dog]

Which part are you having a problem with, that he was lying about being Christian or that his like-minded knew he was lying about it?

I'm sorry Mr. Happy Thoughts, but BHO is not a Christian. He's provided ample evidence of that, post the 2008 campaign.

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[smittyoneeach]

BHO has stated he is Christian. Gotta take that at face value, for all, on trial for it in any reasonable court, I'm confident he'd get acquitted.

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[Bill Dog]

Happy, happy, happy thoughts, about America and the Left, all the time!

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[smittyoneeach]

Boss, we're on different wavelengths.