Journal CmdrTaco's Journal: D2 Updates 70
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The only major complaint so far is that the design changes consume a lot more whitespace. I have mixed feelings on the subject, but am aiming to strike a balance. We noticed 2 very clear places where the whitespace is excessive and hopefully that will be fixed RSN. But on the other hand, making deep threads visually clear, and drawing some attention to the 'reply' buttons is beneficial to everyone, so bare with us as we work to strike some sort of balance.
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Sorry, Rob, but this design absolutely hideous and unreadable. Is there any reason to think people were unable to find the reply without a giant blob?
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Buttons need to be three dimensional in some way to include the mental tie-in with the real world where we push things in with our fingers. Links need to stand out as a link and not just text. Knocked out text on a gray rounded box doesn't quite do th
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The reply to the comments is now easier to find, but it wasn't hard to find before.
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The new look feels bloated, like Slashdot posts are displayed in PowerPoint rather than Notepad.
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We learned a long time ago that if you provide slashdot readers with 100 options, 1 person will use all 100 of them, 4 people will use 5 of them, 10 people will complain that we are missing option #101 (but if we add that option, only 1 of those 10 will use it). And 95 people never change anything from the default settings ever.
So in general, we now try to err on the side of 'solve it for the most people the best you can'. Stylesheets are a fun idea, b
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Just give us a few weeks. We've tweaked a bunch of changes into the system and we'll get a few more in and hopefully we'll find a compromise that makes everyone happy. Or at least happIER. You can't ever make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time.
My two cents (Score:1)
Also, the grey boxes that appear around some (high-rated?) comments are too similar to blockquoted text. Too confusing.
And there is no reason why the first comment level should be indented.
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Otherwise, I love the new in-line comment system. Much more convenient than the previous system.
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In D2, the first-level indentation seems to be used for the thread selection marker. In D1 this marker isn't there, so there's just a white band on the left.
The grey boxes are used everywhere in D2. They're OK and help visualize nesting, but should in my opinion have a thinner line size. Like the subtle line between a post and a quick reply form. Alternatively, make the blockquote line a different color, or put the quoted text in a colored box
The bu
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I coudl go either way on the box thickness thing. I think the chunkier box line is nice- it sets the comment apart. If anything, I don't like that the in-line post box doesn't stand out a bit more. I think maybe that answer to that might be to put the whole thing into a light grey background... then it would really st
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I'll try it again for a few days, maybe it'll grow on me ;)
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I usually start in nested mode with a fairly high threshold (4). Depending on how much time I have and how interesting the discussion is I lower the threshold. This can be perfectly done with D2.
Where it differs is the following: if you click 'N replies below current threshold' in D1, it opens all those messages at once (and I usually open them in a new tab). In D2 clicking 'N hidden messages' first loads the subm
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I'm not happy with the X Hidden comments handling yet. I'm certainly open to ideas. The problem is that comments have a lot of states, and it's "Hard" to make an intuitive UI that lets you cycle between all of them.
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As for suggestions: maybe a key pair to expand (full) / collapse (x hidden) the children of the selected post would be handy? That way you could quickly read through the children of a post, and hide them back when you're done.
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Re:My two cents [Moving the Reply button] (Score:3)
There's always a debate between minimalism where every pixel matters, and logical clear design. We absolutely can tighten up this whole UI, but it's just more intuitive to ha
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Anyway, I'm only suggesting. I'd probably hack the CSS before resorting to hate mail
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Moderation scores? (Score:2)
One question: I used to be able to see the moderation scores on a given comment by clicking the comment's direct link (the "(#12345)" after the time). I don't see that anymore. Am I just mis
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Ah, I see now! Thanks! (Score:2)
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Or 'x' to close any modal dialog (Score:3, Insightful)
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I'm not sure about the reparent highly rated comments thing. Are you in D1 or D2? That option does nothing in D2 atm- and it's not really on the TODO list since the whole point of the dynamic thresholding was to make kludgy crap like that unnecessary...
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My objection is having to keep clicking around to read a conversation.
This is what I "get" the least about the complaints: I do LESS clicking around -- keybindings or not -- in D2. I get more of the discussion I want to see right up front. Be that as it may ...
... the idea that the comment size limit might be waaaay too small shouldn't be exactly hard to believe.
The limit is actually pretty large: 4K. Raising the limit to anything still-reasonable would include very few additional comments. So yes, it is very hard to believe the limit is waaaaay too small. It is not hard to believe it could be larger.
Turning on Javascript will not help. Firstly, because it already is turned on (except when I browse remotely via Lynx, but that doesn't work any more because of the cookies issue)
Since when does lynx not work anymore? And what problems with cookie
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I think that the way that people use flat mode is just for chronological comments. You can navigate the discussion that way using Q/E if you change your comment retrieval method to retrieve-by-date, but that is non obvious, and not a
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So it seems improbable that you're doing "less clicking around" unless, maybe, you were using that "threaded" mode in the old system.
It works the same as Nested, and I don't have to go to another page to get more comments or reply. So, yes.
4K is so large you perceive it to be uncommon that anyone would come across such a comment on a regular basis?
No. 4K is large enough that I know for a fact that such comments are relatively rare, because we checked the existing comments in the database.
You think ... that someone is clearly doing something wrong if they hit that limit?
Not at all. You seem to think this is some sort of punishment. It's not.
Look, I'm complaining about this because in the short time this change has been in affect, I've hit the limit multiple times.
Me too. And yet, it doesn't bother me, because I know most users can just hit Read the Rest and it's not a problem.
Also note that we have INCREASED the limit for everyone who had no
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I am simply (I thought obviously) saying that your experience, if it is as you describe, is atypical.
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it's just the experience seems to get worse over time as many of the features we know and love are removed (moderation score information without Javascript
Almost everyone uses JavaScript. This actually has nothing to do with D1/D2 specifically: this is just us saving you a page load to check a comment's mod information. I suppose we could make it so that people who aren't using D2 can still get the information the old way (CmdrTaco can direct me to do that), but I think you're probably in the minority, even of D1 users, who thinks this is a bad thing.
simple indenting
Do you mean the UI changes from last week? If not, I don't know what you're referring to. If that is wha
Fancy quotes error (Score:1)
Are you aware that if you paste in a fancy single quote (opposite direction of the acute accent - I think right single quotation mark or _& # 8217;_), the system - well, let me just show you:
â(TM) vs ’
Unfortunately this seems to be a common character in news sites... Not sure if this is a new issue with posting or not. Otherwise I really like the new preview.
Don't like it either (Score:2)
Big Arrow? (Score:1)
I think all the people complaining about the "new" look are silly. It's not that new. And I think the buttons are visible and attractive. They even highlight when you mouse over them. I think most of the world can handle webpages that use graphical bu
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Good point about button consistency. We plan to unify the buttons as best we can, and the 'If you have difficulty' text is going away in a few
Need "Viewing (Moderation)" Options (Score:2)
If it annoys me to have to change my regular view but I do it anyway I figure there are many others who don't bother and just moderate what their chosen view displays.
With Firefox 3.0pre the "
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The alternative is simply to hope that users change their thresholds when they get mod points to look at those Score:0 and Score:-1 c
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Regarding the moderation preferences -- I'm glad it's already been debated. Maybe a good compromise would be to have an option to set your view to full (right next to "You have X Moderator Points! Use 'em or lose 'em!").
Perhaps as you suggest though D2 will take care of all of this.
Moderation Dropdown Bug (Score:2)
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