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So I pulled a pile of dreck (The Communist Hooeyfesto) into the Kindle app on my 'Droid phone.
This is supposed to be some classic of political thought? Really? For 33% through this noise, I have to say that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a better read. I mean, if you're going to smear someone falsely, Jews or burgerboise, one recommends a more diabolical approach to lying.

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

No, it is not. The mental effort of binning individuals into abstract chess pieces, so that he could move them around some imaginary chessboard, happened mostly in the mind of Marx.
It's an appealing fable, and many have swallowed it whole, to their detriment. As Alinsky would later codify the central axis of the Commie Hooeyfesto:

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

There will be no improvement until people recognize tawdry plays and gently rebuff them. I hope God had mercy on Marx. While I reject his ideas, I don't want to play his game.

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  • "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."

    "Survival of the fittest is a scientific fact and explains the natural order of our society and those who are fit to lead."

    "It is his Christian birthright, for the White Man to take his divinely graced position of custody over the the irresponsible and otherwise ungovernable races, as a burden of charity and ennoblement."

    "The nation state is the ultimate expression of the popular will of the people, and represents the final asp

    • I'm afraid I have no idea what, if anything, equally bogus contemporary assertions have to do with Marx's.
      Are you trying to say it was low tide for serious thought?
      I'd say Marx was as serious as lung cancer, when it came to motivating people with rectal sunshine. See Gustav Le Bon ~50 years later: "The Crowd".
      • I'm saying that primitive ideological Manifesto were the order of the day. The mis-application of poorly understood science, history and theology in the formulation of "principles" for evaluation of society and governments flourished in Europe and America.

        Marx has no more blood on his hands than Malthus. Considerably LESS blood than Cecil Rhodes... Or the Rockefeller family.

        • Marx has no more blood on his hands than Malthus. Considerably LESS blood than Cecil Rhodes... Or the Rockefeller family.

          (a) How would one even pretend to gauge such?
          (b) Sure, one can decouple the ideas of the originator with the subsequent brutality of his disciples.
          (c) Nevertheless, the CM is rancid dreck, straight up.

          • Marx cannot be flawed for his intentions - I think. Which were charitable.

            • Maybe. Perhaps I'm too biased by, say, the 2012 elections, where the same style of class warfare arguments were deployed to telling effect.
            • The nearly 150 million people killed by marxism may disagree with you.

              http://www.scottmanning.com/co... [scottmanning.com]
              • Not fair. Documents don't kill people: people kill people.
                • Yes, people implementing what they read in a Manifesto, whether it was Marx's dribble or the Fuhrer's Kampf.
                  • Or the US Constitution.

                    Play fair.

                    • There was nothing fair about the 3/5ths Compromise.
                      The best defense of that hooey is that Emancipation was an heuristic problem, and needed that Compromise en route the Civil War.
                    • Defending the indefensible is an art form, isn't it? Sweet relativism...

                    • I said that there was nothing fair about it, and then attempted to put it in historical context.
                      But since your judgement is so divine, maybe you can suggest what magic wand you would have waved, were we wandering in useless counterfactual realms.
                      They should have emancipated everyone, and given women the vote, too (paying customers of taxation and all). But they didn't. Shall we split the utterly useless guilt over the matter?
                  • Again, even Adolf should be allowed some sort of freedom of speech, for all we have a corresponding responsibility to ignore.
  • If you can't be bothered to put any thought into what he has said up to that point (beyond your vaporous attempt to discredit his opening thesis), you might as well give up now. That may mean that you gave it your 10 minutes of effort, but if you approach a text with such utter disdain as what you are showing you might as well have just skipped it entirely. You don't seem to want to learn anything from this text.
    • I give that pile of crap every bit of the respect it deserves. I'll try to torture myself with the balance of this as time permits. It really needs a hip-hop beat, though.
      • I give that pile of crap every bit of the respect it deserves

        That does not in any way sound like a perspective from someone who is reading for comprehension. If someone said that about the Bible when trying to understand Christianity I expect you would come down quite hard on them. You're reading the capstone work of Communism but attacking it with such fervor as to make it highly unlikely that you will get anything from it. It sounds like you would have done just as well to spend that time reading comic books and celebrating your ignorance instead.

        • Please point to any paragraph in Marx's extended spew you think merits deeper exposition.
          • "If you think this country's bad off now, just wait till I get through with it"

          • I'm not going to read it for you. If you don't want to read it, then don't. However when you choose not to read it you have no right to call yourself knowledgeable on Communism. Similarly if you read it at such a level of proud non-comprehension, you don't have any right to claim to have really read it, either.

            It sounds like you would have been just as well to have downloaded a scan of the original document in German, as a PDF, and tried to read the raw file in notepad.
            • Ich lese ein bisschen Deutsch, but crap is crap in any language. Let me wander through a little more to see if the rant takes on any substance.

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