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Journal smittyoneeach's Journal: Practical socialism 29

So, past all of the theorizing, what ends up happening in pretty much any political system you can name is that power gets concentrated, corrupts leaders, and ruin follows.
The act of trying to separate the theory of a system from the ensuing existential wreckage is among the more amusing acts one can watch other human beings undertake. No Christian wants to admit that Adolf himself made Christian utterances, for a bit of auto-Godwinism.
Thus when evaluating the goodness of a system of thought, I submit that not only should the abstract ideas be considered, but also the historical results of the ideas, and the subjective effects.
For my observation, Socialism offers some emotionally pleasing notions, but, like every single bureaucratic solution I've ever seen, winds up loving the problems it purports to "solve", and leads to stagnation.
Restated: you'll always have a statistical distribution of income. What matters not is that there are rich and poor (that's inevitable), but that there is a current flowing inside the distribution, so that people can reap as much/little as their genius and effort supports.
The big fib of Socialism is that, with just a few more pages of legislation, we can make that current flow "fairly".
Socialism, for some, seems a substitute for a proper faith in something that will endure beyond the final heartbeat.

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  • Are you just trying to shine a light on my grammatical error there? You certainly aren't making any points about socialism. Really, you're only continuing to show that you know basically nothing about it while attempting in vain to equate it with everything else you hate.

    The most reasonable thing you wrote

    pretty much any political system you can name is that power gets concentrated, corrupts leaders, and ruin follows.

    Suggests that no political system is any better than any other. If that is the case then how can you justify running around encouraging hatred towards systems that you don't understand, when you adm

    • encouraging hatred towards systems that you don't understand

      Alternately, I understand them all too well. I'm not a tremendous scholar of Islam, either, having only read about half the Qur'an, but I understand the dynamics of how a subset of adherents have used it for nefarious purposes. What I encourage in both cases is careful thought, so that people understand that socialism, like a baby bottle given a child long past the time to graduate to sold food, helps lock people into dependencies that stunt their human growth. But, perhaps coincidentally, empower the 1% th

      • encouraging hatred towards systems that you don't understand

        Alternately, I understand them all too well

        No. You have demonstrated again and again that you don't have even the slightest bit of understanding of most of the political systems that you hate most deeply. Even more so you have repeatedly demonstrated that you have no interest in learning anything about them. Your intentional illiteracy - and your celebration of it - are well documented and noted.

        I'm not a tremendous scholar of Islam

        I never previously accused you of hating Islam. I'm not sure why you brought this up.

        What I encourage in both cases is careful thought,

        You would do well to try that sometime yourself.

        so that people understand that socialism

        You are at leas

    • by Arker ( 91948 )
      What that suggests to me is rather that the specific shape of the political system matters less than its bulk, which in turn suggests that any ideology that advocates state action (regardless of the high minded goal which that ideology expects it to serve) should be viewed very critically.
      • What that suggests to me is rather that the specific shape of the political system matters less than its bulk

        By bulk are you referring to the number of people in the political system, or something else? While smitty does seem to advocate for a smaller government, that approach doesn't often work out all that well, either.

        If instead the argument is that government is trying to help too many people (ie the country is so large that government from a federal level is impossible and should be abandoned), I don't necessarily disagree. I do think it is likely time to split our country up into 2 (or more) independe

        • I do think it is likely time to split our country up into 2 (or more) independent nations. Frankly I don't expect that our country will survive more than another 10-20 years without that happening anyways.

          This may be the case (I'm nobody's prophet), but I do hope that a conventionofstates.com/ [slashdot.org] occurs before a split.

          • I do think it is likely time to split our country up into 2 (or more) independent nations. Frankly I don't expect that our country will survive more than another 10-20 years without that happening anyways.

            This may be the case (I'm nobody's prophet), but I do hope that a conventionofstates.com/ occurs before a split.

            You like to plug that website on about a weekly basis it seems; in fact you almost plug it more often than your own blog. What it overlooks of course is the fact that some people like a stronger federal government. Some people prefer the protections that come with a central government that helps to balance things between the states. If one instead pursues this philosophy of a highly neutered government many people will lose the freedoms and opportunities that they value the most.

            Of course, you don't

            • What it overlooks of course is the fact that some people like a stronger federal government.

              Are you referring to the way we can't balance a budget, the way we can's secure the southern border, or the way we have completely soiled ourselves on international policy matters of late?

              Some people prefer the protections that come with a central government that helps to balance things between the states.

              So you ARE espousing federalism, and not the collapse into a super-state?

              If one instead pursues this philosophy of a highly neutered government many people will lose the freedoms and opportunities that they value the most.

              Do you mean being buried under debt and unsustainable entitlements, or some other craven dependency on the capitol city of Xembibbi?
              I have a hard time remembering that I am the ignorant one, since I woke up here in Zamboniland.

              • What it overlooks of course is the fact that some people like a stronger federal government.

                Are you referring to the way we can't balance a budget

                It is rather hard to balance a budget when a large population of the people tasked with doing that are hard-set ideologues who refuse to negotiate on what should be in the budget in any way, shape, or form. Believe it or not, democracy is supposed to involve compromise.

                the way we can's secure the southern border

                Well, the same states that want the federal budget to rapidly approach zero - and tend to receive the largest amount of federal spending per dollar collected in taxes - are asking for funding for border security from the federal government

        • by Arker ( 91948 )
          "By bulk are you referring to the number of people in the political system, or something else? "

          The number of people whose livelihoods depend on taxation, if that is what you mean by 'in the political system,' would be one good proxy for bulk. Another would be the percentage of GDP spent by government, either directly or indirectly (through mandates for example.)

          "If instead the argument is that government is trying to help too many people (ie the country is so large that government from a federal level is i

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