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This entry serves mainly to remind me that I've decided to start a journal. I made this decision based primarily on encouragement from Osty, and a few others.

If you're a friend of mine (in the SlashCode sense I can't promise that this journal will ever go anywhere. I don't know, yet, whether I'll enjoy writing in it enough to take the time. But we'll see what happens.

Oh, one last thing: I want to keep a note of this comment. I wrote some decent things in here, and I'd like to remember to go back and flesh them out sometime soon.

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  • I don't code. I work on the network and backbone side of things, but I like your perspective on RMS and the "Free" software hive-think on /. Kudos for you voicing how (as an outsider) I feel in this matter.

    I have listed you as a friend, I hope to hear more of your thoughts on this and other things.

    Peace,
    EM
  • I don't understand how you can make the remarks you did. I have you labelled as Foe because I've seen some rather trollish behavior from you in the past, but I might just change you to friend to see if you have anything to say that might make me change my mind. Of course, I'll be looking for counter-argumentsto his ideas rather than your personal problems with Stallman's wording.

    Oh, and Stallman doesn't think he a matyr. He was actually demonstrating the range of public protest. Stallman writes so clearly, I don't know how you can miss that.
    • Of course, I'll be looking for counter-argumentsto his ideas rather than your personal problems with Stallman's wording.

      You won't find any. I disagree with Stallman's ideas, but I personally am not terribly interested in discussing that right now. Right now, my entire problem-- the whole thing, not just part of it-- is with Stallman's presentation. His language is so evocative, and his rhetoric so laced with textbook propaganda techniques* that it seriously makes me nervous. Lanugage-- the structure and form of our communications-- is a powerful tool. In skilled hands, it can be used to persuade an uncritical audience to believe practically anything. The fact that he's using those techniques so blatantly and so consistently gives me pause.

      So you're not going to find a substantive debate here on Stallman's arguments, at least not for a while. Sorry.

      If you would rather not hear from me because you don't like the way in which I choose to criticise, then I won't be offended if you take me off of your "friends" list. I have no personal gripe with you, and I hope the converse is true as well.

      * Transfer (such as invoking the civil rights movement in comparison to his own actions) and glittering generality (when he calls GPL-licensed software "free software") seem to be his favorites, but there are lots of other examples.
  • by Xaltlee (64511)
    So. Now that I've finished tossing comments into a discussion from last Friday (which will never get moderated, but that's beside the point, and why don't we have a system of moderating which spreads the points out, like the metamoderations system?) I'm ready to have it out with you.

    Fore-word: I like you, you're smart, I have no problem with you. I do not attack you, only your opinion. Hell, I'm not sure it's going to be much of an attack, really. But let's get started.

    You talk about making software, selling software, and having software stolen. You have a very strong opinion on the matter, from what I've heard (unless I'm mixing you up with someone else!) and you're willing to discuss it. I'd like to ask you some questions on the matter.

    First - do people really own the software you sell them? Can they do anything they like with it? Resell it, chop it up and use its bits in their system for other things? Port it to another OS and use it there?

    Second - have they taken anything beyond the bits from you? If they weren't going to buy it in the first place, how can you count it as a lost sale?

    Third, I want to share a story I read as a child which reminds me a lot of the current situation. I dunno, maybe it's worth something, maybe not.

    A poor boy was wandering through his village, and purchased a loaf of bread with a few coins he'd earned begging. He came upon a meat vendor, and saw the tasty roast turning on its spit. The boy held his bread out over the roast to absorb the scent of the meat, and began to eat the bread. The meat vendor caught him, grabbed him by the arm, and called for the local fuzz. When they arrived, the man accused the boy of stealing the scent of his meat. The fuzz were flustered - had the boy actually done something wrong? He hadn't really taken anything, since the meat was still just as good-smelling, but even so, his bread was better for having done what he did. They turned to the village fool and asked him what to do, mostly to see if he'd come up with something they hadn't thought of. "Do you have any coins left, boy?" said the fool. The boy replied that he did, but only a few. The fool nodded, took the coins, and shook them in the meat vendor's face. "He has stolen the scent of your meat for his bread, and now he has repaid you with the sound of his coins." So the cops let the kid go, the meat vendor gave up, and the boy ran off to die young of disease or exposure. They all lived happily ever after, or whatever.

    Let the debate begin!

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