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Akamai: How They Fought Recent DDoS Attacks
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on Wed Jul 07, 2004 01:08 PM
from the malice-is-unbounded dept.
from the malice-is-unbounded dept.
yootje writes "Infoworld is running an interesting article about Akamai and the DDoS attack that hit the network of Akamai Tuesday. According to this article one of the defenses of Akamai is the big diversity of their hardware: 'We deliberately use different operating systems, different name server implementations, different kinds of routers, different kinds of switches, different kinds of CPUs, and especially, different operational procedures.' So says Paul Vixie, architect of BIND and president of the ITC." Yootje points to another article on this subject as well, this one at Internetnews.com. Update: 07/07 19:38 GMT by T : Note that Vixie's quote here is actually presented out of context; he was commenting by way of contrast on the diversity of the root DNS servers, not Akamai's content-serving system.
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Wow (Score:5, Funny)
That's shocking!
Trade-Off (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Sunday September 26 2004, @09:44PM)
Re:Trade-Off (Score:4, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Thursday October 07 2004, @01:33PM)
Re:Trade-Off (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Saturday November 06 2004, @08:56PM)
In their case maintaining a hybrid infrastructure makes perfect sense.
Remote exploit in IOS? No problem, the Juniper/Extreme/Linux/OpenBSD router in failover config takes over while patching goes on.
And if you are maintaining a massive hybrid infrastructure like that you will likely have the people and processes to handle security issues/patches.
Diversity Doesn't Refer to Akamai at All (Score:5, Informative)
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Re:Diversity Doesn't Refer to Akamai at All (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://dotfuturemanifesto.blogspot.com/)
Paul should shut up about this topic. Companies should not go commenting about attacks made against their competitors - period.
His statement about the root servers is way off base. Only four of the 13 servers stayed up and the software running on them did not affect the outcome in any way. Most of the servers that went down were running a version of BIND as were two of the servers that stayed up. The other two roots were running ATLAS which is the ultimate in closed source proprietary systems, nobody outside VeriSign has seen the executable, let alone the source code.
I don't see how anyone could draw any conclusions either way on the basis of this sample. The distinguishing feature was the bandwidth available to the systems, not the software they run.
Paul should think more and speak to journalists less.
Re:Trade-Off (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.bartlettpublishing.com/)
If I have 1,000 troops, if I keep them all in the same fort, they will be a formidable force, unless I find the right weapon (like a nuke). If I keep them in 10 different forts spready throughout the country, although each one of them is more vulnerable individually, I have eliminated the possibility of everything being wiped out in a single blow.
Re:Trade-Off (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.tanningbeds4less.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday November 05 2006, @07:23AM)
IMHO, when it comes to providing IT services, if you are not paranoid, you are crazy.
Re:Trade-Off (Score:4, Insightful)
Life versus death?
What you want out of backups and backup systems isn't so much that they are as good as or better than the primary systems, but that they are as independent as possible. Backing up OpenBSD to Windows 95 is not as stupid as it looks.
Re:Trade-Off (Score:5, Informative)
Mod this whole story down "-1 incorrect".
Re:Trade-Off (Score:4, Insightful)
I just have one question: what exactly do the slashdot editors do? I thought they were there to screen incoming submissions. But obviously they don't. Basically, if that's their only job, they suck at it.
Sys admins (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.marotti.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday February 15 2007, @01:48PM)
Wow, your sys admins and help desk must LOVE supporting that!
Re:Sys admins (Score:5, Insightful)
I know you were trying to be sarcastic, but I bet that they indeed do prefer things this way.
When the pager goes off at 3AM that there's a suspected new worm attacking your dos-based systems, it's nice to simply turn them off and let the other systems handle the load until morning when you can investigate the problem at your leisure.
Re:Sys admins (Score:5, Insightful)
Who the atech-ee-double-hockey-sticks runs "dos-based" systems anymore? I thought Microsoft abandoned the technology starting in 1995, and I personally submitted the "official end of life for DOS support" article to Slashdot several years ago.
We run heterogenious systems and support them because they provide different benefits and features for our many needs. Sometimes Windows OS servers actually are cheaper, more stable, and easier to support than their Unix counterparts. Sometimes not.
For instance, we have WebSphere running on Solaris and AIX as an app server platform, and it is great for high volume and failover. But we spend far more time (proportionally) troubleshooting that technology (and the hundred or so servers that run it) than the
Just my anecdotal experience.
Wow... (Score:5, Funny)
(Last Journal: Friday June 25 2004, @07:28PM)
WRONG! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:WRONG! (Score:5, Informative)
security by obscurity.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:security by obscurity.. (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Sunday November 11, @09:31AM)
But servers B, C, D, E, F, G, etc are immune to your attacks on server A. To take down the root servers, you'd need to simultaneosly come up with 12 different exploits to knock each one of them out. Which makes it 12 times more difficult.
It's more proof of what I've always said, there is no "perfectly secure" OS in existence.
or... (Score:5, Funny)
that's been proven to be an effective, system independent DoS attack (even if the attack was unintentional or brought about by the owner)
Re:Security through Stupidity (Score:4, Funny)
(Last Journal: Thursday November 03 2005, @02:42PM)
ver^M
MS DOS 6.22
"wtf?"
Quote misattributed (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Quote misattributed (Score:5, Informative)
(http://tomcopeland.blogs.com/)
Exactly. And Vixie goes on to say that Akamai can't do that because "the cost would 'drive their accountants crazy.'".
But I'm not sure having diverse bits of gear is such a huge cost. Wouldn't it instead be a way for sysadmins to broaden their experience and learn more about which tools are best for which jobs?
Re:Quote misattributed (Score:5, Insightful)
If you have not realized that every place is a classroom, then, my friend, you have not learned a single thing.
Lack of diversity (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:Lack of diversity (Score:4, Interesting)
intentional or not (Score:4, Insightful)
They survived the attack and "Oh yea, we MEANT for it to happen that way".
I think it's spin.
Speeking of... (Score:1, Interesting)
(https://andreib.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday October 16 2003, @10:51PM)
Is this related to these DDoS attacks?
They never mention percentage of users impacted (Score:5, Interesting)
Theo only statistic they ofer is the percentage of customers that were impacted. To me this hints of trying to play down the severity of the situation. When only 2 percent of your customers comprise (following is is a made up statistic since they didn't give me one) 80 percent of your traffic, you're lying by omission by only giving customer statistics.
The submitter is WRONG. (Score:3, Informative)
Diversity of hardware makes ROOT DNS SERVERS more defensible. Akamai is NOT diverse, and they do not want to be.
Submitters and Editors, RTFA! (Score:4, Insightful)
MacOS classic? (Score:1, Offtopic)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~bluethundr | Last Journal: Tuesday August 19 2003, @12:23PM)
Not that I'm implying that it would be invulnerable to some attacks (like DDOS) but surely it seems that many of your other bases would be covered.
Re:MacOS classic? (Score:4, Interesting)
This is an ad! (Score:5, Insightful)
Most of this "article" is a puff-piece (or paid advert) for one "CloudShield Technologies," pimping their (vaporware) "server for applications that do deep packet processing at gigabit-per-second rates."
-Isaac
Authors should try readin the article (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.cityofhope.org/microseq)
Actually, according to the article the diversity approach is part of what's used to defend the DNS root servers, not Akamai. Vixie specifically mentions that this approach is not practical for an ordinary content provider like Akamai because, 'the cost would "drive their accountants crazy."' I'm dubious about just how helpful diversity would be against a DDoS attack in the first place. Diversity won't solve the problem of requests coming in faster than they can be processed.
Bad Link? (Score:1)
(http://www.cephyn.com/)
Uh, poster got it wrong (Score:2)
Erm, I think the poster made a mistake here. This diversity is attributed to the 13 root servers. Akamai's services do not employ such techniques due to the unsupportable cost. Based on the problems we saw during the DDoS, I can't say Akamai had much to offer in its arsenal.
Or am I the one who misread?
Different OS's? (Score:2, Funny)
(http://doombob.com/)
Akamai diversity? (Score:1)
(http://www.troz.com/)
So what they're saying is... (Score:4, Funny)
(http://www.theschmoejoes.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday June 19 2004, @02:56PM)
It sounds like a recipe for success!
Security through obscurity.. (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://www.siteofchampions.com/)
Gee-Wiz hardware will never win. (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://lists.clickers.org/linuxsig/index.html | Last Journal: Friday November 23, @08:40PM)
I wish the net was headed in the right direction, but it's not. No single site or company will ever "win". The resilience of the web lies in it's redundancy and distribution. What I see is continued centralization and creation of points of failure. As "Broadband" internet access is more monopolized and treated as a platform for mindless browsing, and smaller ISPs are destroyed, the net is being squeezed into fewer and fewer hands. This invites attacks that can not be protected against. The real solution is to let everyone run everthing they want. That's the only way to route around damage.
Attacking Akamai with a DDoS... (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.shelter.org/ | Last Journal: Sunday April 24 2005, @11:43PM)
Re:Attacking Akamai with a DDoS... (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://pjt33.f2g.net/)
Good old PR spin - nothing like it... (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.ubasics.com/adam | Last Journal: Wednesday August 06 2003, @01:01PM)
CTO: "Actually, sir, the real question is why did we lose less than half of our service. The answer is that I've, uh, been strategically using different systems and components throughout the enterprise on purpose to prevent drastic losses. No one else could have even kept 10% of their machines up under that DDOS."
Boss: "I knew I could count on you for the right PR spin job. Go back and think up some other good excuses."
-Adam
Ummm.. (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Monday May 30 2005, @01:21PM)
In the case of the Akamai incident, the vulnerable service was DNS. Paul Vixie, architect of BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) and president of the Internet Systems Consortium, charged that Akamai's proprietary approach to DNS makes it a single point of failure. He added that the 13 DNS root servers, which weathered a vicious DDoS attack in 2002, are even more defensible today than they were back then. The root servers are resilient, Vixie said, because their operators embrace diversity. "We deliberately use different operating systems, different name server implementations, different kinds of routers, different kinds of switches, different kinds of CPUs, and especially, different operational procedures," Vixie told Internetnews.com.
He's not talking about how great Akamai is. He's talking about how great everyone else is.
On another note: What the heck does this story have to do with Akamai operators fighting DDoS attacks? They more than likely sat with their thumbs up their rears contemplating how having such a structured and inflexible DNS system could possibly be in err.
Interesting... (Score:2)
(http://concordparty.org/ | Last Journal: Sunday December 21 2003, @10:41PM)
Windows (Score:1)
I was way off... (Score:3, Funny)
'We deliberately use different operating systems, different name server implementations, different kinds of routers, different kinds of switches, different kinds of CPUs, and especially, different operational procedures.'
RTFA first, please... (Score:3, Informative)
Oooops (Score:3, Informative)
(Last Journal: Friday January 17 2003, @12:54PM)
Yootje Points? (Score:2, Insightful)
By the way, which one of the articles is it that says Akamai did anything right to fight attacks?
extra secure systems (Score:2, Funny)
They called me crazy for using Windows 95, 98, 2000, CE and ME . . . I'm invincible! Bwahahaha!
Article isn't about the DDOS (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://nicholasbernstein.com/)
nobody read anything (Score:4, Insightful)
the editors did not rtfa
and after the first five posts pointing this out, it was obvious that nobody was reading the responses either.
nobody was reading anything, and now we have a 1000 responses saying the same thing, it wasn't akamai, it was the root servers, blah blah blah.
Fuck (Score:5, Funny)
(http://yootje.deviantart.com/)
Same cause as recent big electrical blackouts (Score:2, Funny)
(BOFH types RETURN, followed by)
"Oh Shit!"
Article is an ad for Vixie and his companies... (Score:3, Informative)
Second, he is being disingenuous about his comments about patents, his company owns at least one patent related to the Verisign "Site Finder" service methodology. Nominum Patent [uspto.gov] I didn't see any statements by him disparaging his company when they applied for that patent. So it isn't that he doesn't like patents, it is that he doesn't like that Akamai is making money doing third party DNS without paying him money or homage. Note: His commercial, for profit dns server software company has a white paper enumerating the scalability and other problems with BIND, and they use an architecture more similar to DJBDNS than to BIND 9 - separate auth and resolving dns server packages, most modern dns server software uses this architecture to reduce code complexity and improve security and performance.
Third, if he wanted to be the pillar of dns server software that he supposedly is, he could have sent a few goons from Nominum over to Akamai and set up some boxes with his commercial, for profit, "scalable" dns server software and Akamai would have been able to see if his software was able to stand up to the ddos attack better than what they have. If it did, he probably could have gotten a sweet, lucrative contract out of it and been a hero for helping thwart the attack, rather than a hypocritical, self serving competitor hiding behind Open Source to appear credible.
Fourth, Akamai is a single point of failure because that is what they do - offload dns and content load from the biggest companies on the net life MS, google and ebay. No, I don't work there, but I would venture a guess that they carry more traffic than (maybe) any other company. So I am sure it is easy to armchair quarterback and say they should do this and that, but when the attacks are probably at 10's or 100's of GiB/s I am not sure what I would do.
Nominum is also involved in RFID stuff, so I will be interested to see what happens with him and his companies as that ramps up. And who knows what deals have already been made - "the future of DNS is right."
Some DNS software links:
nsd - high performance, uses BIND style files and authoritative only [nlnetlabs.nl]
They have an interesting testing procedure where they run nsd and BIND, have them build responses to the same queries and then analyze any differences: diff analysis [nlnetlabs.nl]
maradns [maradns.org]
Powerdns, mysql and a pretty website [powerdns.com]
djbdns [cr.yp.to] he's grouchy and the no license license thing freaks people out and pisses them off, but people become attached to the quirky but rock solid software.
nstx, ip over dns, yeah... [sourceforge.net]
sikkerhetsfirma (Score:1)
Helt seriost trenger jeg folk som snakker norsk ihvertfall, som kan deler av overnevnte, og/eller som har annen sikkerhets relatert bakgrunn innen hacker/cracker miljo.. dette er viktig for aa faa edge paa de andre etablerte firmaene som finnes allerede..
Give me a pip in tnys@start.no
Og folkens, vaer seriose da.. trenger ikke crapmail!!!!!!
Re:I R 0wn j00 (Score:4, Funny)
(http://www.marotti.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday February 15 2007, @01:48PM)
Just askin you big hacker, you.
Re:Never heard of syn cookies or what? (Score:5, Informative)
handshake to set up a connection). DNS uses (primarily) UDP traffic,
which is connectionless (there is no "stateful" connection with UDP).
SYN cookies do no good when your DNS servers are under attack.
Re:A stable version of BIND (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Sunday November 11, @09:31AM)
It's a better solution, on paper, since LDAP is optimized for the fastest retrieval, at the expense of write time. RDBMS's are generally the other way around, or at least balanced.
Of course, you can have OpenLDAP use mysql as a backend if you really want to bring that abomination into the equation.
run Woody. (Score:2)
(http://lists.clickers.org/linuxsig/index.html | Last Journal: Friday November 23, @08:40PM)
Re:A stable version of BIND (Score:1)
(http://www.hyperlogos.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday July 18, @08:19PM)
Yeah, stop doing whatever you're doing, and do something else. I've never had a problem with any version of bind on any operating system.
Re:A stable version of BIND (Score:2)
(http://www.slashcode.org/)
Re:wtf? (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Sunday November 11, @09:31AM)
When will
Re:What do they do? (Score:5, Informative)
(http://tmack.net/ | Last Journal: Monday April 02 2007, @10:16AM)
tm
Re:A stable version of BIND (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Friday December 17 2004, @05:39AM)
Re:Read the fucking article before submitting it (Score:2, Insightful)
(http://yootje.deviantart.com/)