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Analysis of the Witty Worm

Posted by CowboyNeal on Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:56 PM
from the dull-worms-envious dept.
DavidMoore writes "The Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis (CAIDA) and the University of California, San Diego Computer Science Department have an analysis of the recent Witty worm. Among other things, Witty was started in an organized manner with an order of magnitude more ground-zero hosts than any previous Internet worm."
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  • buggy code (Score:5, Interesting)

    by neoThoth (125081) on Thursday March 25 2004, @11:58PM (#8676617)
    (http://spamhunting.blogspot.com/)
    The end of the worm seems to have bytes suggesting a flaw in the original worm code.
    I'm still getting data points for the infected by analyzing the worms victims who contact my IP.
    • Re:buggy code (Score:4, Interesting)

      by rritterson (588983) * on Friday March 26 2004, @12:26AM (#8676818)
      "The end of the worm seems to have bytes suggesting a flaw in the original worm code."

      Would you mind elaborating on that assertion? I'm curious.
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    • Re:buggy code (Score:5, Funny)

      There's a bug, in the worm, ... in the bottom of the sea....
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      • Re:buggy code by cheezit (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @02:08PM
    • Destructive (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 26 2004, @12:39AM (#8676899)
      Interesting: one could have had the feeling that it was 'stupid' for these worms to destroy their hosts so rapidly. Why not wait for a few hours or days and then do it in a synchronized manner?

      In fact, the overall number of host that could be infested was low (~12,000): there was no need for waiting.

      It seems that those who launched it had a very good knowledge of what they where doing.

      Definitely interesting.
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      • Re:Destructive (Score:5, Interesting)

        by buttahead (266220) <tscanlan&sosaith,org> on Friday March 26 2004, @02:26AM (#8677414)
        (http://www.sosaith.org/)
        there was no need for waiting.

        I'd go a step further and say that immediate damage to the system was mandatory. Waiting in this case would have detracted from the destructiveness of this worm. Since it was attacking firewalled, and, probably anti-virus enabled machines, waiting would mean that the destruction would be nullified.

        It seems that those who launched it had a very good knowledge of what they where doing.

        Sounds like someone from marketing has decided to write worms. They thought about the market of hosts they were trying to infect. A good reason for infecting this set of hosts would have been to stifle the security software vendors. In order to avoid this situation in the future, a person should invest in a new model of protection. Seems to be a perfect opening for a new market.
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        • Re:Destructive by cdemon6 (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @03:08AM
        • Re:Destructive (Score:4, Insightful)

          by SpaceLifeForm (228190) on Friday March 26 2004, @06:47AM (#8678340)
          Hmmm, and what would this new model of protection entail? Something like Cisco proposed?

          From the analysis:

          When users participating in the best security practice that can be reasonably expected get infected with a virulent and damaging worm, we need to reconsider the notion that end user behavior can solve or even effectively mitigate the malicious software problem and turn our attention toward both preventing software vulnerabilities in the first place and developing large-scale, robust and reliable infrastructure that can mitigate current security problems without relying on end user intervention.

          Folks, we don't need any more infrastructure to prevent worms. We don't need any more infrastructure to control what you can and can't do on the Internet.

          It's not the Internet that causes the problems, it's the in-secure machines that are vunerable.

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      • Re:Destructive by SatanicPuppy (Score:3) Friday March 26 2004, @12:01PM
    • That is by design (Score:5, Informative)

      by isaac_akira (88220) on Friday March 26 2004, @01:34AM (#8677187)
      From the article text:

      "The worm payload of 637 bytes is padded with data from system memory to fill this random size..."

      So you are seeing some random grabage that was in memory on the victim's machine while the worm was being sent out. That helps to avoid detection as it is harder to profile the worm.
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  • Save yourself some reading (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 25 2004, @11:59PM (#8676621)
    Conclusion:

    The Witty worm incorporates a number of dangerous characteristics. It is the first widely spreading Internet worm to actively damage infected machines. It was started from a large set of machines simultaneously, indicating the use of a hit list or a large number of compromised machines. Witty demonstrated that any minimally deployed piece of software with a remotely exploitable bug can be a vector for wide-scale compromise of host machines without any action on the part of a victim. The practical implications of this are staggering; with minimal skill, a malevolent individual could break into thousands of machines and use them for almost any purpose with little evidence of the perpetrator left on most of the compromised hosts.

    While many of these Witty features are novel in a high-profile worm, the same virulence combined with greater potential for host damage has been a feature of bot networks (botnets) for years. Any vulnerability or backdoor that can be exploited by a worm can also be exploited by a vastly stealthier botnet. While all of the worms seen thus far have carried a single payload, bot functionality can be easily changed over time. Thus while worms are a serious threat to Internet users, the capabilities and stealth of botnets make them a more sinister menace. The line separating worms from bot software is already blurry; over time we can expect to see increasing stealth and flexibility in Internet worms.

    Witty was the first widespread Internet worm to attack a security product. While technically the use of a buffer overflow exploit is commonplace, the fact that all victims were compromised via their firewall software the day after a vulnerability in that software was publicized indicates that the security model in which end-users apply patches to plug security holes is not viable.

    It is both impractical and unwise to expect every individual with a computer connected to the Internet to be a security expert. Yet the current mechanism for dealing with security holes expects an end user to constantly monitor security alert websites to learn about security flaws and then to immediately download and install patches. The installation of patches is often difficult, involving a series of complex steps that must be applied in precise order.

    The patch model for Internet security has failed spectacularly. To remedy this, there have been a number of suggestions for ways to try to shoehorn end users into becoming security experts, including making them financially liable for the consequences of their computers being hijacked by malware or miscreants. Notwithstanding the fundamental inequities involved in encouraging people sign on to the Internet with a single click, and then requiring them to fix flaws in software marketed to them as secure with technical skills they do not possess, many users do choose to protect themselves at their own expense by purchasing antivirus and firewall software. Making this choice is the gold-standard for end user behavior -- they recognize both that security is important and that they do not possess the skills necessary to effect it themselves. When users participating in the best security practice that can be reasonably expected get infected with a virulent and damaging worm, we need to reconsider the notion that end user behavior can solve or even effectively mitigate the malicious software problem and turn our attention toward both preventing software vulnerabilities in the first place and developing large-scale, robust and reliable infrastructure that can mitigate current security problems without relying on end user intervention.
    • Re:Save yourself some reading by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @12:12AM
      • Re:Save yourself some reading (Score:5, Informative)

        by Ralph JH Nader (765522) on Friday March 26 2004, @01:04AM (#8677045)
        (Last Journal: Sunday November 14 2004, @08:26PM)
        The parent is incorrect. It is not a Windows worm and the worm is not the fault of Microsoft. The worm exploits a vulnerability in BlackIce, a "personal firewall" that runs on Windows.

        While the vulnerability will not show up on non-Windows machines, it is not because it is a Windows vulnerability.

        The parent is very misleading at best.
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        • Re:Save yourself some reading by SkArcher (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @01:09AM
          • Re:Save yourself some reading by Ralph JH Nader (Score:3) Friday March 26 2004, @01:16AM
            • Re:Save yourself some reading by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @01:28AM
              • Re:Save yourself some reading (Score:4, Informative)

                by SlightOverdose (689181) on Friday March 26 2004, @01:32AM (#8677178)
                Neither does Linux. At the moment if you need protection your choices are to use a VM (Java,.NET) or a high level scripting language.
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              • And that relies on the assumption that your VM securely isolates the virtual machine from the real one. This turns out to be false in practice -- there have been several exploits for Sun's Java VM, and there's no reason to think that Microsoft's .NET runtime will be any better. High-level scripting languages help against low-level stack-smashing attacks, but it's far too easy to write a script that doesn't properly prevent exploitation of the dynamic features of the language (improper filtering of commands to Perl's system(), PHP's remote-fetching include(), etc). Features like Perl's taint-checking can help a lot, but don't take the place of careful coding.

                As for the issue of the underlying OS providing security features, it's not entirely a moot point. Linux provides some stack/heap protection and other binary runtime security through the grsecurity [grsecurity.net] patches; OpenBSD has W^X and other security features built into the kernel. Still, expecting the OS to protect binaries at runtime is a completely ass-backwards way of approaching security. Ultimately, application developers have to bear most of the burden for writing secure code.

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              • Re:Save yourself some reading by Malc (Score:3) Friday March 26 2004, @09:26AM
              • Re:Save yourself some reading by wwest4 (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @10:40AM
              • Re:Save yourself some reading by WNight (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @03:57PM
              • Re:Save yourself some reading by NonSequor (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @06:06PM
              • Re:Save yourself some reading by SlightOverdose (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @08:40PM
            • Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by mbauser2 (Score:3) Friday March 26 2004, @02:59AM
              • Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? (Score:5, Insightful)

                by Ralph JH Nader (765522) on Friday March 26 2004, @03:14AM (#8677585)
                (Last Journal: Sunday November 14 2004, @08:26PM)
                It was an honest mistake. I was thinking of BlackIce and put the wrong firewalling program. Blame my lack of sleep for the error. The rest of the argument remains true, however. Whether a security hole was discovered in Zonealarm, Blackice, or in any other Windows program, unless the bug was caused by a problem with Windows itself, it is not in itself a Windows worm.

                Another poster in the thread cited that worms affecting Outlook are Windows worms and Outlook is software that runs on Windows. The difference is that Outlook is bundled with IE, and is integrated into Windows and it is very difficult to seperate it. Surely I don't need to educate Slashbots on this. Since it is so tightly wrapped with Windows, and Microsoft claims it's an integral part of Windows (they told the DOJ that), then it's part of Windows. If the problem involves Windows, a component of Windows (such as a DLL shipped with it), or a program integrated into Windows or installed with Windows, then it's a Windows vulnerability. When BlackIce is installed with Windows by the Windows installer, then a BlackIce vulnerability would be considered a Windows vulnerability.

                In terms of Linux, a particular distro would be said to have a vulnerability if it involves the actual operating system or a package that the distro releases along with the OS. If I go install some buggy unsupported software on my Linux box, and then there's a worm for it, should that worm be considered an exploit of that distro since I was running that distro and was infected by the worm? That's absurd.
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              • Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by Tony-A (Score:3) Friday March 26 2004, @03:54AM
              • Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by idontgno (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @09:39AM
              • Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by pohl (Score:3) Friday March 26 2004, @10:02AM
              • Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by idontgno (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @01:00PM
              • Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by choke (Score:1) Saturday March 27 2004, @01:22AM
              • Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by Tony-A (Score:2) Saturday March 27 2004, @07:48AM
              • Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by pohl (Score:1) Sunday March 28 2004, @10:47AM
            • Re:Save yourself some reading by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @03:30AM
            • Re:Save yourself some reading by dasunt (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @03:40AM
            • Re:Save yourself some reading by eraserewind (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @07:55AM
            • Re:Save yourself some reading by rebel47 (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @10:58AM
            • Re:Save yourself some reading by Jaysyn (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @06:39AM
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          • Re:Save yourself some reading (Score:4, Insightful)

            by muffen (321442) on Friday March 26 2004, @04:38AM (#8677895)
            You are failing to consider the extent to which Windows internal architecture dictates the software running on the platform.

            Most of the time Microsoft bashing is valid, but saying that this is Microsoft's fault in any way is about one step away from stupid.

            If this was the fault of Windows, a buffer overflow such as this one could not happen under Linux/MacOS/FreeBSD/Netware etc etc etc. However, a quick search on SecurityFocus [securityfocus.com] tells us that it did infact happen on all the platforms listed above.

            So, please explain to me how Microsoft can be blamed for this in any way!

            ...and saying that they should not allow code-execution on the stack or make it more secure so you dont need a firewall are not valid arguments.
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        • Re:Save yourself some reading by plumby (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @02:54AM
        • Re:Save yourself some reading by Matrix2110 (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @05:37AM
        • Re:Save yourself some reading by AnwerB (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @08:41AM
        • Re:Save yourself some reading by iwadasn (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @09:41AM
      • No, it's not a Windows worm by ChiralSoftware (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @02:02AM
      • Re:Save yourself some reading by buttahead (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @02:37AM
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    • Re:Save yourself some reading by spellraiser (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @05:32AM
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  • More information on the Witty Worm (Score:3, Informative)

    by Ralph JH Nader (765522) on Thursday March 25 2004, @11:59PM (#8676622)
    (Last Journal: Sunday November 14 2004, @08:26PM)
    You can find more information here [lurhq.com].
  • ground zero hosts? by liquidpele (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:02AM
  • by seaswahoo (765528) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:03AM (#8676659)
    In contrast, the Witty worm infected a population of hosts that were proactive about security -- they were running firewall software.

    This makes me feel a bit safer, since we used to run Windows-based boxen directly on the Internet but now they all hide behind a Linksys NAT Router and firewall.

    From what I've learned, the general rule is NEVER to put a Windows machine directly on an unsecure network. Unfortunately, the machine I'm typing on here at the University of Virginia is directly connected and yes, it runs Windows. I turned on the Internet Connection Firewall...but this kind of worm vulnerability makes me nervous. Today, someone attacks the eEye security software; tomorrow, someone takes out Microsoft's ICF.

    Similarly, end users may also be unaware that perceived slowness of their computer or Internet connection is caused by a worm, and they may reboot their computers in the hope that that will fix the problem.

    I find this problem with spyware and adware too. I recently cleaned out the computer of a family friend that was very slow and would no longer connect to the Internet. Removed a huge gob of spyware with Ad-Aware and Bazooka, and BAM! we were back online.

    Goes to show you. I'm thinking that Microsoft's security model in Windows may need to be revised, considering in XP Home at least, all users run as Administrator (root) and system services have way too many privileges.

    Makes me glad I replaced my aging NT file server with Linux/Samba.
  • Heh by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:04AM
  • Their unsaid conclusion (Score:5, Interesting)

    They state that the most important thing is to force users into a security mindset and this is near impossible. Also, they point out that even security-aware users may be at risk because of the risk of infection before the ability to patch the firewall/AV software is possible.

    This leads to the conclusion that firewall/AV software should be included as part of the baseline system, whether with the operating system or as an additional package at system build time. Also it leads to the conclusion that user-assisted updates are useless and only automatic updates can effectively patch fast enough to block worms of this sort.

    This is one of the most depressing stories about the state of the Internet that I've read in a while.
    • Re:Their unsaid conclusion by randyest (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:21AM
    • Re:Their unsaid conclusion by Saint Aardvark (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:26AM
    • by crimethinker (721591) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:34AM (#8676877)
      This leads to the conclusion that firewall/AV software should be included as part of the baseline system

      That's a very good suggestion, except that in this case, the firewall software was the vulnerable component. No BlackICE, no Witty worm.

      I'm deeply troubled by this; we piss and moan about how the average windoze luser doesn't have a firewall or AV software, and then this pops up.

      Much as I would like to, I can't blame this on Microsoft. It's just sloppy programming, the sort of practice that M$ has made prevalent. There, I blamed M$ after all. Still, changing the permission model of Windoze wouldn't have helped this; BlackICE is exactly the sort of software that needs access to the network protocol stacks; it's supposed to be one of the trusted portion of the system, as compared to all those VBScript viruses that run as admin/root, but shouldn't.

      If I were designing a new CPU, I would think about including some hard-core stack protection. A no-execute bit in the MMU is a very good start, but still not bullet-proof. I'm thinking something (with OS assistance) to disallow all access beyond the link pointer for the current function call. Every CALL sets a new boundary, and every RET pops back to the last boundary. Try to write past the boundary, and you get a machine exception. Much finer granularity than 4K pages that most 32-bit MMU's provide.

      -paul

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    • Re:Their unsaid conclusion by NetGyver (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @03:18AM
    • Re:Their unsaid conclusion by Asic Eng (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @04:01AM
    • Re:Their unsaid conclusion by Tony-A (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @04:30AM
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  • Interesting conclusion (Score:3, Insightful)

    by IANAL(BIAILS) (726712) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:05AM (#8676672)
    (http://www.law.ubc.ca/ | Last Journal: Saturday December 06 2003, @12:56PM)
    The patch model for Internet security has failed spectacularly. To remedy this, there have been a number of suggestions for ways to try to shoehorn end users into becoming security experts, including making them financially liable for the consequences of their computers being hijacked by malware or miscreants.
    While I agree that the success of most internet worms does indicate that the patching model is no good, come on now - there is no way that that end users would be financially liable for their computers. No matter how good an idea it might sound at first, such a concept just isn't workable.
    • Re:Interesting conclusion (Score:4, Insightful)

      by ryanjensen (741218) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:14AM (#8676738)
      (http://www.ryanjensen.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday January 18 2004, @02:35AM)
      A driver is responsible for the upkeep of his vehicle if his negligence causes an accident ... a property owner is responsible for its upkeep if someone is injured on his property. I don't think it's a very large leap to be able to consider a computer owner liable for its upkeep if it is used in an attack, and I don't think many in this country would object either.

      The concept would be at least as workable, in the courts, as any liability legislation is currently.

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      • Re:Interesting conclusion (Score:4, Insightful)

        by jmv (93421) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:56AM (#8677003)
        (http://people.xiph.org/~jm/)
        Are you willing to bet a large amount of money (or jail time) that your computer will *never* be compromised. What if a worm before a patch is available. If you compare to cars, you'd have to say that you're responsible for what happens to your car even if it's been sabotaged.
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      • Re:Interesting conclusion by nulltransfer (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @01:14AM
      • Re:Interesting conclusion (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Flower (31351) on Friday March 26 2004, @01:18AM (#8677111)
        (http://slashdot.org/)
        A driver is responsible for the upkeep of his car but there is an assumption that the car is safe to drive to begin with when I buy it from the dealership. If it's the case that the car isn't safe there is usually a recall where I can take it in to the dealer for free and get the problem fixed. If there isn't a recall and the car isn't safe and I do have an accident then I can sue the manufacturer for selling me a defective product.

        When cars begin to become unsafe there are a variety of noticable warning signs that I need to maintain my vehicle. The oil light will go on, the brakes will grind, sundry odors emit from the hood, the tires begin to look flat... It doesn't even have to get that far. Some dealerships will send you mail reminding you that you might need an oil change. Of course there reason for doing this is to make some cash but it is a reminder to maintain your car and once at the garage things like rotating tires or what-not can also come up.

        To make this short [too late], there are a variety of mechanisms in place to let the driver know he needs to maintain his vehicle that simply isn't present or currently applicable when compared to a PC owner. From where I'm sitting there seems to be a great deal of wiggle room when applying the standards you propose.

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      • Mod Parent Up by dave1g (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @01:25AM
      • Re:Interesting conclusion by rgmoore (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @01:27AM
      • A driver is responsible for the upkeep of his vehicle if his negligence causes an accident ... a property owner is responsible for its upkeep if someone is injured on his property. I don't think it's a very large leap to be able to consider a computer owner liable for its upkeep if it is used in an attack, and I don't think many in this country would object either.

        Your analogy fails on many levels, but I'm too tired to point them all out. Here's a biggie: Automobiles are highly engineered and legally regulated devices; there are safety standards to be met before you can put one on the road, and there are legal limits to how the end user can modify them. PCs and especially software don't have that kind of pre-consumer engineering.

        Another one: the roadways are public works. The internet as we use it is a collection of private agreements to communicate between points. Why don't the intermediate points share liability for passing on the attacking packets? Hell, the operators of the intermediate points are generally trained for their equipment and pay people to monitor traffic and health. (This is making a point; actually I don't want my ISP or any of their providers policing my internet connection.)
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      • Re:Interesting conclusion by Wingsy (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @06:40AM
      • Re:Interesting conclusion by rabbot (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @10:37AM
      • Re:Interesting conclusion by Durzel (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @11:18AM
      • Re:Interesting conclusion by Tin Foil Hat (Score:3) Friday March 26 2004, @11:44AM
      • Re:Interesting conclusion by ryanjensen (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @01:56AM
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    • Re:Interesting conclusion (Score:4, Informative)

      by gordyf (23004) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:19AM (#8676770)
      That was not their conclusion. If you continued the quote, you'd see that they said much the same thing as you.

      When users participating in the best security practice that can be reasonably expected get infected with a virulent and damaging worm, we need to reconsider the notion that end user behavior can solve or even effectively mitigate the malicious software problem and turn our attention toward both preventing software vulnerabilities in the first place and developing large-scale, robust and reliable infrastructure that can mitigate current security problems without relying on end user intervention.
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    • Re:Interesting conclusion by neoThoth (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:25AM
    • Eliminate Buffer Overflows by Morris Schneiderman (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @12:49AM
    • Re:Interesting conclusion by Phragmen-Lindelof (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @01:12AM
    • Re:Interesting conclusion by rixstep (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @03:26AM
    • Re:Interesting conclusion by sysadmn (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @04:11PM
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  • More Ground Zero hosts? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:05AM
  • vulnerability to worm time (Score:5, Interesting)

    by neoThoth (125081) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:06AM (#8676679)
    (http://spamhunting.blogspot.com/)
    the rate of worm creation on this one was almost a little TOO quick. This time to creation would almost suggest that the author of the worm perhaps had inside knowledge. It's not entirely outside the realm of reason that the vulnerability leaked from ISS before the announcement was made.
  • Anyone else see this? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by citking (551907) * <jay@citk i n g .net> on Friday March 26 2004, @12:10AM (#8676707)
    (http://www.citking.net/)
    On Friday March 19, 2004 at approximately 8:45pm PST, an Internet worm began to spread, targeting a buffer overflow vulnerability in several Internet Security Systems (ISS) products, including ISS RealSecure Network, RealSecure Server Sensor, Proventia, RealSecure Desktop, and BlackICE. Emphasis mine.

    Man, I am so used to seeing IIS in a security vulnerability I had to give it a second glace. I guess people shouldn't use those letters in software abbreviations anymore. It's becoming bad luck!

    Seriously, worms like this that damage computers are very un-cool. As a freelancer I got to see this on only a few machines and by gratuitous use of recovery console, fixmbr, and (alas) one format and reinstall later I was able to fix them all.

    While doing this onsite at a realty company I asked what they used as a firewall. Seeing blank stares from them all wasn't the highlight of the day. Not having a hardware firewall handy it was quite fun to race against the vermin as I downloaded patches off of the net on a virgin XP install! I actually thought I heard giggling echoing from the DSL modem as the DL percentage ticked higher slowly but surely....

  • What's It going To Take (Score:3, Interesting)

    by flopsy mopsalon (635863) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:11AM (#8676712)
    Another day, another virulent internet worm utilizing an unaccounted-for "buffer overflow" to propagate itself throughout the internet. Users suffer and system administrators grind their teeth to clean out their networks.

    By now I am sure it has been noticed that the "buffer overflow" is a very common "exploit" used by these internet worms to infect machine after machine. One simple way to address this problem would be to replace these vulnerable "buffers" with something that will not overflow, perhaps something spongy and highly absorbent. Isn't anyone working on a solution along these lines? You never seem to hear about any progress being made. Honestly, sometimes it seems like no one in the technology industry has any common sense.
  • hmm... by natrius (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @12:11AM
  • Net Telescope (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mmca (180858) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:14AM (#8676734)
    (http://www.layerone.info/)

    Network Telescope

    The UCSD Network Telescope consists of a large piece of globally announced IPv4 address space. The telescope contains almost no legitimate hosts, so inbound traffic to nonexistent machines is always anomalous in some way. Because the network telescope contains approximately 1/256th of all IPv4 addresses, we receive roughly one out of every 256 packets sent by an Internet worm with an unbiased random number generator. Because we are uniquely situated to receive traffic from every worm-infected host, we provide a global view of the spread of Internet worms.


    They have 1/256th of all the IPv4 space?!?
    Thats alot of IPs that could be freed up for other purposes.

    Its great that they are doing this. And it is an interesting project. But I've been hearing about the lack of IPs for the last 5 years, and this one group has 1/256th of them.

    ------------
    www.ComicSmash.com [comicsmash.com]
  • Time to learn SELinux I think (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SmallFurryCreature (593017) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:14AM (#8676740)
    (Last Journal: Friday August 17, @05:34AM)
    Cause Linux and BSD sure ain't safe against this. Bufferoverflows ain't nothing new and this analasys shows there is no security in being a small target.

    Might be time to make a security model that stops a firewall application from writing to the Harddisk or deleting files. Why should it after all? Or a limiting just how many emails a user can send, how many times do you send thousands in a minute?

    Perhaps even a delete mechanism that doesn't allow destruction of data without a password.

    Paranoid? 12.000 machines just went Poof in half an hour with this virus if the story tells it right. Doesn't exactly cheer me.

  • Holy CRAP (Score:5, Insightful)

    Jesus Christ, if you read that and weren't frightened, you're dead inside.

    The highest packet rate they saw was more than 23,000 per hour, sustained for at least one hour. The worm came out one day after eEye announced the vulnerability. It just went ahead and started erasing the hard drive, rather than just grep for passwords or credit card numbers. And this thing targeted and 0wned people who cared about the security of their computer!

    If you've read nothing else, check out the conclusion:

    It is both impractical and unwise to expect every individual with a computer connected to the Internet to be a security expert. Yet the current mechanism for dealing with security holes expects an end user to constantly monitor security alert websites to learn about security flaws and then to immediately download and install patches. The installation of patches is often difficult, involving a series of complex steps that must be applied in precise order.

    The patch model for Internet security has failed spectacularly. To remedy this, there have been a number of suggestions for ways to try to shoehorn end users into becoming security experts, including making them financially liable for the consequences of their computers being hijacked by malware or miscreants. Notwithstanding the fundamental inequities involved in encouraging people sign on to the Internet with a single click, and then requiring them to fix flaws in software marketed to them as secure with technical skills they do not possess, many users do choose to protect themselves at their own expense by purchasing antivirus and firewall software. Making this choice is the gold-standard for end user behavior -- they recognize both that security is important and that they do not possess the skills necessary to effect it themselves. When users participating in the best security practice that can be reasonably expected get infected with a virulent and damaging worm, we need to reconsider the notion that end user behavior can solve or even effectively mitigate the malicious software problem and turn our attention toward both preventing software vulnerabilities in the first place and developing large-scale, robust and reliable infrastructure that can mitigate current security problems without relying on end user intervention.

    I was thinking the other day about all the precautions you need to go through with a Windows box just to get a new install up-to-date; I was smug, and thinking that a Windows box without a firewall was like a person without a skin: no protection from infection, no way of stopping the most basic of attacks.

    And now reading this I feel that smugness just draining in a really hideous way. I use Linux and FreeBSD...what of it? I realize there is still a big difference between Unix and Microsoft, between a local and a remote exploit, between an ordinary user account and root. But I'm no longer convinced those differences are enough: there's a thousand programs available on my machines, and all that stands between me and 0wnership is a programming error and someone who decides that, you know what, seven thousand hosts is worth it.

    Nothing more to say at this point...I'm still staring uneasily at the blinking cable modem lights, wondering when it'll be my turn.

    • Re:Holy CRAP by TheLink (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:29AM
      • Re:Holy CRAP by liquidpele (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:39AM
    • Re:Holy CRAP by rritterson (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:32AM
      • Re:Holy CRAP by Saint Aardvark (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @01:13AM
        • Re:Holy CRAP by Saint Aardvark (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @08:32PM
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    • Re:Holy CRAP by rgmoore (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @01:00AM
    • Well by Sycraft-fu (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @01:01AM
    • Re:Holy CRAP (Score:5, Insightful)

      by astrashe (7452) on Friday March 26 2004, @01:04AM (#8677043)
      (Last Journal: Friday March 26 2004, @04:22PM)
      I don't know. This is scary, in a sense. But there's a lot of risk in the world, and you just have to live with it. If my computer gets wiped off, it's not the end of the world.

      I know that everyone isn't in a position to say that -- some people are running banks, or whatever. But most people can say it.

      We drive cars, even though cars crash and people die in them. Another person can crash into you even if you're doing everything right, and you'll die. We live and work in buildings, even though we know that there are fires every day in large cities. Sometimes people die in fires. You lock your doors, and you make a good faith effort to keep the bad guys out, but if someone really wanted to get in, they could.

      You just have to deal with uncertainty in life.

      Your computers are never going to be completely safe. The sun will come up tomorrow anyway.

      As a practical matter, people who take reasonable precautions *usually* come off pretty well with computers. They can hold on to their data and keep it out of other people's hands. There's no guarantee that will always be the case, but it's been true until now.

      [ Parent ]
    • Adapt by gad_zuki! (Score:3) Friday March 26 2004, @01:04AM
      • Re:Adapt by DreamerFi (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @04:20AM
    • Keep this in mind when dealing with Linux etc. by Azureflare (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @01:24AM
    • Re:Holy CRAP by Brandybuck (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @02:02AM
      • >I'm not sure what the ultimate solution is, but I do know one thing. We need to change our naive behavior.

        None of my security colleagues that I know of believes in the existence of an ultimate solution (though building a plywood box around the computer and filling it with concrete works pretty well. Just make sure you remove the wireless card first).

        We need fault tolerance. Backing up protects against the undiscovered bug you correctly warned about, and also protects against fire, burglary and human error.

        Watertight compartments on a ship are an example of fault tolerance. A hull breach will cause damaage but the ship may stay afloat. So are circuit breakers -- they turn a potential fire into a loss of power. We need things like stack canaries. They're not solutions, but they limit damage.
        [ Parent ]
        • Re:Holy CRAP by Doesn't_Comment_Code (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @11:29AM
  • "witty" worm (Score:4, Funny)

    by benna (614220) <mimenarrator@gmail. c o m> on Friday March 26 2004, @12:16AM (#8676751)
    (Last Journal: Friday June 04 2004, @09:36PM)
    This is the best named worm i've ever seen. When I first read headlines about it they said things like "witty worm attacks firewall." It took me a while to realize that was the name of the worm and not a judgement by the reporter (no I didn't read the articles)
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  • KneeJerking (Score:5, Interesting)

    by minusthink (218231) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:19AM (#8676769)
    Since I deal more with our internal software/services (opposed to dealing with the customers) I don't do really have to fix anything other than wipe a machine or two. However, for me, the worse part of this is the kneejerking that occurs right afterward.

    Now that this worm hit, management is crying for more security without really thinking it through. Now all staff machines need to be behind hardware firewalls. ALL machines. Linux, Solaris (95% of our boxes), Windows. Not such a big deal except they bought us cheapo netgear cable/dsl firewalls that I'm convinced will do nothing more than ipf/iptables to stop a determined cracker. These netgear firewalls stop me from mounting NFS of anything, they have no trusted hosts options. In fact, I can only port forward from everywhere, so in a sense it is lowering my security.

    Does anyone else experience reactionary steps like this from the PHBs?

    (THanks for reading my rant :)
  • analysis of the witty worm has revealed that it is wittier than most posts on slashdot
  • If i was a witty worm.. by iONiUM (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @12:28AM
  • Can IPv6 help? by yudan (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:33AM
  • after reading the analysis by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @12:37AM
  • by gmuslera (3436) <gmuslera@@@gmail...com> on Friday March 26 2004, @12:41AM (#8676904)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday April 12 2005, @11:12PM)
    .. this analisys shows the impact on internet as a whole of a worm that not was a microsoft software, not was very widespread, even was a security/firewall software, and patches/advisory was from just a day before.

    Under that conditions, if a similar flaw is found in i.e. iptables, ssh, bind, apache or postfix, it could have a similar impact, be the OS Linux, FreeBSD, MacOSX or whatever you consider "safe" and widely enough used.

    Of course, if the same would happened to a really popular software out there (clients are more popular than servers, we know the effect of outlook worms, and even by default installed servers, like IIS, or maybe even the Win XP SP2's bundled firewall) the effect would be much worse, but no OS connected to internet is safe against this. Maybe releasing policies will change putting the "when its ready" release date over the "when the marketing people say" on the light or the widespread of this kind of things.

  • Great summary section of the overall problem by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:44AM
  • A niche Warhol worm (Score:4, Interesting)

    by theCat (36907) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:48AM (#8676943)
    (Last Journal: Thursday February 27 2003, @03:22PM)
    We tend to think of the M$ monopoly, and the subsequent homogenous pool of hosts, as being the reason for the rapid spread of worms. Actually, the monopoly means that most virus will be targeted for that platform because it is obvious, but a virus well targeted even for a niche platform like ISS can take off because there internet itself is now almost completely transparent.

    What this suggests is that the combination of 1) bandwidth commonly available and 2) CPU speed are now more than sufficient for a virus to find almost all of the hosts it needs to anywhere these are on the internet. When a few early, fast hosts can spew 11,000,000 pps to random IP addresses then it doesn't take long to find what one is looking for.

    No doubt this is part of the reason for the observation that when 2% of Windows sysadmins fail to patch for a known vuln, then the next worm to come along and exploit that vuln has a field day. 2% of a really big number is in turn a lot of hosts, millions of Windows hosts for example.

    And a million of anything, be it Mac OSX or NetScreen or Checkpoint or BeOS or OS/2 or Amiga or anything, is fair game when a smartly written virus can get them all.

    I guess I'll have to go back and review my Mac for system updates.
  • More scary part by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @12:48AM
  • by LostCluster (625375) * on Friday March 26 2004, @12:50AM (#8676956)
    What's most disturbing to me is that this worm appeared on about 200+ distinct hosts at such a rate of speed that it could not have done so that fast using it's main random-checking method. There clearly was some plan to pre-seed the worm into at least that many places before the worm started to spread on its own.

    I doubt whomever programmed this worm had legit access to that many well-destributed computers... so it appears that some carrier hack occured before this worm was released, which effectively took about 12 hours off of the reaction time clock before the white hats even realized what was hitting them. Are we about to see a rash of compound attacks where one worm has a second worm baked in?
  • Caida, Qaida, and cyber-terrorism by sirdude (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @12:52AM
  • by wintermute42 (710554) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:52AM (#8676976)
    (http://www.bearcave.com/)

    I'm a long time UNIX/Linux hacker (I first programmed on UNIX on a VAX). I've written a lot of C/C++ code. But long ago I used Pascal and more recently I've been using Java more.

    Both Pascal and Java do range checking. That is, they check the bounds of arrays (buffers) when they are accessed. This means that about half of the security exploits (including the one, targeted at BlackIce etc...) would not be exist if our software base was implemented in languages with bounds checking.

    The original reason that bounds checking was not implemented in C was that the early compilers were very basic (little in the way of optimization) and bounds checking overhead slows execution. Bounds checking overhead can be reduced through optimization, but Ritchie's original C compiler only did simple optimization.

    Another problem is that in C pointers and arrays are more or less interchangable. So bounds checking becomes difficult or impossible in all cases (C provides way too much pointer flexibility when it comes to enforcing bounds checking).

    If we were to add up the cost of all of the buffer overflow security attacks it must run in the billions. So the "power" of the C programming model has extracted a pretty high price. This puts an interesting retrospective slant on Brian Kernighan's 1981 article Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming Language [lysator.liu.se].

    I have to confess that I would not go back to using Pascal. But native compiled Java, with Java's bounds checks, would be far safer than C++. And it would result in software that is more robust against security attacks.

    Yes we can all learn to use fgets, strncpy and other safer library routines. But this only makes our code safer. It does not provide the complete protection against buffer overflow attacks. So perhaps it is time to reconsider the programming languages we are using. Perhaps unrestricted pointers and no bounds checking has become too costly.

  • Danger - spin detected (Score:3, Insightful)

    by lone_marauder (642787) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:56AM (#8676996)
    Witty spread through a population almost an order of magnitude smaller than that of previous worms, demonstrating the viability of worms as an automated mechanism to rapidly compromise machines on the Internet, even in niches without a software monopoly.

    How many Linux, BSD, and Mac machines were infected?
    • How many Linux, BSD, and Mac machines were infected?

      Don't pretend that those haven't had remote root exploits before. (Well, not sure about Mac.) This incident seems to demonstrate that a destructive worm can be deployed in short order and rapidly spread even when the target population is in a tiny minority of internet hosts.

      That prompted me to insert a bridging Linux firewall and want to learn to tighten it up even further. (Blocking 1-1024 now plus ports like 3128 & MSSQL; I want to block all unwanted incoming connections but am yet unsure about Freenet, Kazaa Lite, bittorrent and Quake3 inbound needs.)

      (BTW, used LEAF uClib Bering for the bridging firewall. Axed the Shorewall and htb.init and put my own scripts in, though, due to issues with htb.init.)
      [ Parent ]
  • Isn't it ironic, don't ya think... by LostCluster (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:56AM
  • New tactical doctrine for attacks (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Animats (122034) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:57AM (#8677004)
    (http://www.animats.com)
    Virus writers are now developing a tactical doctrine. This suggests that future viruses will be more effective, not for technical reasons, but because the attacks will be organized more like military attacks. We now see virus writers getting inside the OODA cycle of the defenders. This is consistent with modern military tactical doctrine. Read MCDP-1, Warfighting [usmc.mil]. This short Marine Corps publication tells you how to think about war and how to win it. This revolutionized USMC doctrine, which previously focused on heroically advancing no matter what the opposition.

    A key point of modern tactical doctrine is to act faster than the opposition can react. Special operations types talk about the "period of vulnerability", which begins when the defender notices an attack and ends when the attacker achieves relative superiority. Most attacks fail during the period of vulnerability. So modern tactical doctrine says that it's worth huge amounts of effort and money to cut that time down. This is why special ops people rehearse and train to a level that seems unreasonable. It's not to make them good, athough it does. It's to make them fast, so they get through those first seconds and minutes at the beginning of an attack before the defenders can react.

    That's exactly what we saw with this worm. The attack was launched in a way that rendered the usual strategies of anti-virus companies ineffective. Anti-virus companies, (and Microsoft), have known response and patching cycle times. The creators of this worm got inside that cycle time, by building both a fast-propagating worm and by starting it from multiple points.

    Military doctrine gives us some insights on what to expect next. This worm invoved a campaign, a series of battles fought to achieve a goal. One attack acquired machines to be used as bases in a later attack. That's standard doctrine. Other relevant military concepts include mutual support, feints, and diversions. We are starting to see worms and viruses that support each other, so that if one is removed, another attack lets it back in. We may see feints and diversions, where a big noisy attack is launched to divert attention from something more subtle.

    Another doctrinal concept is that of combined arms. So far, virus writers generally haven't utilized other hacking techniques, like dumpster diving, social engineering, or wiretapping. That may change.

    We may well see an attack that wipes out most of the Internet-connected Windows machines in the world in a single day.

    • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by MyHair (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @02:00AM
    • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by bbdd (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @02:16AM
    • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by matt4077 (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @03:29AM
      • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Animats (122034) on Friday March 26 2004, @04:15AM (#8677790)
        (http://www.animats.com)
        It's not a new observation about war. It's more of a justification for putting far more resources into preparation for the first few minutes of a battle than has historically been the case. There's a truism that no battle plan survives contact with the enemy. But for the first few minutes, with sufficient preparation and intelligence, that's often not true.

        The classic example is Eben-Emael [fort-eben-emael.be]. Seventy men took out one of the strongest forts in the world, manned by a thousand troops, in ten minutes. This allowed Hitler's armies to advance into Belgium and conquer France. Six months of preparation, ten minutes of vulnerability.

        The lesson for virus/worm writers is that an attacker needs the capability to rehearse and optimize attacks. This requires two things - general intel about target machines (what percent of targets are vulnerable to each available attack, for example), and a farm of machines on which to test and tune attacks. Many worms/viruses have failed because propagation was too slow, or all the attacks targeted the same machines, or some similar tactical failure in the early part of propagation. The original Morris worm failed for just such a reason. The serious attacker will have a farm of machines on which to repeatedly test the attack plan, without arousing attention until the actual attack.

        [ Parent ]
      • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by The-Dalai-LLama (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @11:38AM
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    • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by Minna Kirai (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @03:59AM
    • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by jalet (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @07:01AM
    • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by negyvenot (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @07:25AM
    • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by Chris L. Mason (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @09:10AM
    • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by tswann01 (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @10:25AM
    • Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by Tin Foil Hat (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:17PM
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  • Call me crazy, but... by NitroWolf (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @01:03AM
  • Security defined (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mcrbids (148650) on Friday March 26 2004, @01:04AM (#8677041)
    (http://www.lookuplaws.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday November 18, @06:33PM)
    I think we all have to come to terms with the fact that our current state of Computer Science is not up to the task of dealing with the Internet as it is becoming.

    Linux/BSD has a somewhat better security record than MSFT, but even after all the auditing effort put out by the guys over at BSD/OpenSSH, there have *still* been a number of security vulnerabilities of recent!

    The problem is not being viewed in the proper light. Something like a buffer overflow should not result in a compromisable host! Something like a misquoted SQL statement should not result in an SQL injection vulnerability!

    Applications and programming environments need to be structured and developed with the understanding that people make mistakes and there needs to be allowance for that.

    You can't expect a group of programmers to maintain 50,000, 500,000, or 5,000,000 lines of code without there being mistakes in there.

    It just cannot be done.

    So languages, programming techniques, and infrastructure needs to be developed that truly prevents the "bug==severe security risk" situation.

    Really, as much as we all laud their security record, Microsoft is in a good position to trounce the OSS crowd if they can come up with a software language and security system that allows for programming mistakes.

    The answer is NOT to make sure you input validate *everything* - although input validation is always a good thing.

    The answer is to develop a system where common programming mistakes do not result in a security issue.

    Get used to it. People are people. They make mistakes. We either cease being human, or develop a system that makes allowances for our humanity.

    Can we do it?
  • What did you say? (Score:3, Funny)

    by rice_burners_suck (243660) on Friday March 26 2004, @01:08AM (#8677065)
    (Last Journal: Sunday November 04, @03:38AM)
    Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis (CAIDA)

    In other news, the Action League department of the Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis (AL CAIDA) today announced new threats of technological terrorist attacks. Among other things, they threatened to use illegally acquired funds to purchase the Microsoft Windows source code, insert viruses directly into the operating system, and release them to the unsuspecting world. The most frightening of their threats was to implement a technology called Windows Scripting Host, which would execute malicious code upon reception in an email inbox. Such a technology would allow viruses to spread faster than with earlier diskette-based methods.

    Oh, wait... That's already been done for them. Back to the black hat drawing board with these computer crime organizations.

  • funny and odd things... by g-san (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @01:30AM
  • What about BIOS wiping, physical damage? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @02:17AM
  • Spectacular Failure by rixstep (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @03:10AM
    • Re:Spectacular Failure (Score:5, Insightful)

      by pe1chl (90186) on Friday March 26 2004, @03:52AM (#8677697)
      I don't think you got the message.
      Worms like this could run on your dedicated firewall box (like linksys or draytek).
      They don't require Windows or an insecure OS at all, they just require sloppy programming in any program that handles network packets.
      [ Parent ]
  • Witty not funny? by rixstep (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @03:22AM
  • In light of this worm, I wonder if Microsoft is going to make any changes to the new Windows XP SP2 firewall? (i.e., a self-monitoring 'heurtistic' [wikipedia.org] process that watches for 'exploited-process-like-behavior.')
  • About a week ago, we had a vulnerability announced in OpenSSL [slashdot.org]. I imagine most of us patched pretty quickly. But the Witty worm appeared within twenty-four hours of the announcement [caida.org] of the vulnerability it attacked, and it infected 95% of vulnerable machines within 45 minutes [caida.org].

    Yes, it's funny that it was a Windows firewall that was attacked. Yes, it's especially funny that it was an expensive Windows firewall that was attacked. Laugh.

    But also think.

    This could just as easily have been us. From my root logs I patched my servers for the OpenSSL vulnerability on Sunday 21st, which was four days after it had been announced [us-cert.gov]. If the Witty worm had attacked OpenSSL, it would have got me. I suspect it would get most of us.

    Linux (or BSD, or whatever) is not immune to this sort of attack. On the contrary, we're just as vulnerable as anyone else. Those of us who administer public-facing servers have got to learn to be still more cautious, and still more proactive about fixing holes as they are announced.

  • ...and this is why... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Alex Belits (437) * on Friday March 26 2004, @06:29AM (#8678285)
    (http://phobos.illtel.denver.co.us)
    ...anything that is called a "firewall":

    1. Should NOT contain any attack analysis. The only attack that any security software not in the hands of security researcher has a legitimate reason to "analyze" is an attack that already succeeded, and the user is recovering from the destruction caused by it. Announcing "prevented" attacks or modifying the host's response to "suspicious" data is at least a useless toy, and at most a target for a real attack (though most often it's in the middle, a nuisance that reduces the reliability). Keep it simple, stupid!

    2. Should be separated from the host that it protect by at least a virtual machine and (better) be on a separate device. Then the worst that can happen in the case of a firewall compromise is that the firewall will stop performing its functions. Running a "firewall" on the "firewalled" host is an equivalent of a person hiring himself as a bodyguard.

    3. If running on the "protected" host, it should be passive, and merely prevent other software running on that host from receiving packets from the Internet even if that software listens on the ports that the author believes, should not be opened. Still, calling this a "firewall" stretches the definition way too far.

    The original meaning of a firewall is a wall in the building that prevents fire from spreading when the building is already on fire, and firewall acts as a barrier for spreading it. It does not make a building non-flammable, and its design expects a building to contain flammable material, yet it prevents damage from spreading. A network firewall does something pretty close to this, it expect vulnerable hosts to be on either of its side, and merely reduces the probability of successful attack from "external" to "internal" network, yet being relatively simple, it is impossible or difficult to attack. Having a "firewall" full of "flammable" bells and whistles, and in the middle of a system that it assumes to be vulnerable is a very, very wrong kind of design.
  • An Idea which I had for a long time. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by LuckyStarr (12445) on Friday March 26 2004, @07:01AM (#8678389)
    Given, many hosts run the same OS (Linux, Windows, whatever) and the same binaries. Even if you compile the source from scratch the resulting binary is likely to be identical to other binaries on other machines.

    This leads to a situation where malicious code can rely on things like stack position and such, enabling it to insert its code into it.

    Idea:

    Is it possible to modify the compiler or binary-format to gather some unique information from the host it is running on and modify the binary in a way that it behaves in a unique way on this machine?
    For example in a way so that malicious code can not predict the position where it can insert itself, resulting in a crash rather than a compromise of the machine.

    Pros:

    - All malicious code would be obsolete if it doesnt know the "secret" of the machine and the method it uses to "scramble" its binaries and/or its memory.
    - All remote/local exploits in any form would be converted to a DoS, which I think is not as dangerous as a compromise.

    Cons:

    - Would presumably make debugging of programs even worse than it is now.
    - Insert "You stupid *%@&, you dont understand" here.

    Please reply, as I feel that I may have missed something important.

    --
    LuckyStarr
  • Excuse me..."Witty?" by mwood (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @08:21AM
  • Really worried by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @09:33AM
  • I got hit by this worm (Score:3, Interesting)

    by leereyno (32197) on Friday March 26 2004, @10:01AM (#8679531)
    (http://what-was-lost.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday May 04 2004, @09:56PM)
    I spent most of yesterday rebuilding my Windows 2000 system at work. I did a raw copy of my windows partitions to a second drive using dd under Linux before I started the rebuild so I was able to preserve much of my data, but far from all of it. My outlook .pst file is the most painful loss so far, and who knows what else I'll find damaged beyond repair before I'm done.

    Once upon a time I would be furious about this. Nowadays I've come to expect it. It seems we live in a world where sociopaths are given free reign to harm others without penalty or consequence. Worms like this are concrete proof of the existence of genuine evil. What kind of a person would write create something for the sole purpose of ruining other people's computers? Other people who they don't know and who have never done anything to hurt them? I'll tell you what kind, the kind I'd kill in a cold second. I hope and pray that they find the people behind this, and that they are in a place where our law enforcement can get at them. The best thing would be just to take them out someplace and shoot them, but short of that a nice long prison sentence will suit me just fine.

    This worm has convinced me of the need to increase the steps we take in fighting people like this. The model where we work to protect our systems just doesn't work. Locking your door and windows and pulling the shades may keep an intruder out of your house most of the time, but it doesn't eliminate that intruder. It is far better to trap and kill a rabid animal than it is to simply put up barbed wire around your house. It is time that the would-be victims of these crackers went on the offensive. You wouldn't just stand there if someone was trying to beat you up. You'd fight back and if possible make sure your attacker hurt badly enough that they wouldn't be attacking anyone else anytime soon.

    Crackers are a not a computer problem, they are a people problem. If computers didn't exist they would find some other way to be destructive and malicious. Crackers are no more a computer problem than carjackers are a problem with your car. The only difference is that carjackers run the risk of getting shot by their would-be victims and/or being sent to prison. Crackers essentially operate with impunity. The only way the cracker problem is going to be effectively handled is to make that change.

    If I ever find out who is behind this worm and I'm in a position to do something about it... heaven help them because it will take an act of God to save them from me.

    Lee
  • What? by shachart (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @10:46AM
  • IP address squatter! by non-poster (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @12:12PM
  • Shadow accounts: protecting Unix users from worms by mrogers (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @12:27PM
  • I was hit.. by delus10n0 (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @01:48PM
  • Why Such big emphasis on speed of delivery by whitelines (Score:1) Wednesday April 07 2004, @06:42PM
  • Re:We can catch the worm's author (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bagheera (71311) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:43AM (#8676918)
    (http://www.stormcenter.net/ | Last Journal: Friday January 16 2004, @11:14PM)
    Ok, I'll bite. . .

    Yes, there are laws against writing malicious code. They apply if the authors happen to be in a country that respects the USAPatriot Act or whatever other laws may be applied. Your actual chances of catching these folks are slim to none.

    Even with 100 "Ground Zero" hosts, you won't get anything from /etc/passwd since these are Windows boxen, and don't HAVE an /etc/passwd file.

    Personally, I suspect the timing of the "destructive" release of this worm was based on the impending alerts about the 'sploit. I seriously doubt the creation of the worm happened after the public knowledge of the release. It's very likely that folks "in the know" were using the 'sploit for weeks to months before it was publicly acknowledged. The worm was "Spoil our fun, will you? Ha! Chew on this!"

    The destructive payload was certainly viscious, but I would worry that there were exploited (with this particular 'sploit) boxen out there LONG before anyone knew there was a hole in RealSecure and BlackICE.

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  • Re:We can catch the worm's author by ebrandsberg (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @12:44AM
  • Re:We can catch the worm's author (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mrtroy (640746) on Friday March 26 2004, @12:56AM (#8677000)
    HAHA!

    You posted anon because you are a fool. Thats the sadly obvious reason.

    There are laws against hacking: The Patriot Act and other laws generated by the Deparment of Homeland Security are examples. This worm has intentionally terrorized computer networks across the world, and we can prosecute these bastards.

    I am glad you go to Harvard Law School, and are a TF...but sadly I must point out a nice little flaw in your arguement (how did you pass the LSAT without knowing fallacies?)

    The Patriot Act and other laws generated by the Deparment of Homeland Security are examples. == AMERICAN


    This worm has intentionally terrorized computer networks across the world, and we can prosecute these bastards.
    == THE WORLD.

    Your American laws are only good in America. What makes you think that the worm was began by an American or that you could prosecute that individual?

    There are 100 ground-zero IP addresses recorded in the telescope: these ground-zero hosts are likely to be useful for forensics, and search warrants should be issued for their recovery. Without too much trouble, we could probably find a username in /etc/passwd from one of the hackers.

    Explain to me who is doing this forensics, and how the search warrants will be issued for these "100 ground-zero IP addresses". Yet again, are these all American IPs? Are the people investigating American?

    Without too much trouble, we could probably find a username in /etc/passwd from one of the hackers. == GIBBERISH.

    What exactly do you mean here. You are going to find the hacker's username in /etc/passwd?

    I dont really understand why/how/what you mean here. If a hacker is smart enough to start this large scale worm, do you not think he is smart enough to not leave any logs on the computers he first infected? And if they are, they would definately be proxies, which yet again are you going to investigate them? Even if they are not American?

    And finally....

    With a bit of work, I believe that the hackers can be brought to justice. The question is, what happens next week when the next bored teenager releases the next worm?

    You are going to bring the hackers to justice where? Are they American? Do you have the right to prosecute anyone in the world?

    And it is hardly the work of a bored teenager. First, its unlikely its a teenager...it is rather convenient to blame teenagers though. You are missing the real question, which is what can we do to prevent worms of massive scale from occurring.

    I really hope that you use what you learn at Harvard inside America, and do not try to impose your laws anywhere else in the world. Especially considering your lack of knowledge on the subject yet your intentions to bring some hackers to justice.
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  • Re:We can catch the worm's author by Xenographic (Score:1) Friday March 26 2004, @01:03AM
  • Re:We can catch the worm's author (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cubic6 (650758) <tomatok AT gmail DOT com> on Friday March 26 2004, @01:34AM (#8677185)
    Besides the fact that you're repeatedly trolling with the "Teaching Fellow" bit...

    I highly doubt that the hosts who own your 100 so-called "ground-zero" IP addresses would be very helpful in an investigation, besides perhaps a cursory inspection. First, why would they be different from any other infected host, besides the fact that their IPs were hard-coded in the virus? The owners haven't commited any crime, but if the FBI grabs those computers, they won't see their computers for months or years.

    First, it's a Windows worm, and THERE ISN'T AN /etc/passwd FILE IN WINDOWS!. Assuming there magically was, it wouldn't have any useful information. Yes, they might find a username. Who cares? If you cracked a box to install a worm, would you use a username that might possibly be traced to you? Unless the owner is running some hardcore auditing software, it's highly unlikely that there would be a single clue as to the virus author.

    Second, if the virus author was intelligent at all, these hosts would be chosen to be outside the US, preferably in Libya or China or Russia or somewhere else with a low chance of cooperation with US law enforcement. Why? It's harder to get them taken down.

    I'm not denying that they should be brought to justice, but let's not send the FBI to start grabbing random computers every time there's a virus outbreak. How would you feel if the FBI demanded you give them your shiny new $3000 laptop for as long as they want?
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  • Re:Witty? by torgosan (Score:2) Friday March 26 2004, @09:03AM
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