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Palm Used in Contemporary Art

Posted by Hemos on Wed Oct 25, 2000 02:05 PM
from the cool-ooking-stuff dept.
Malkthulhu writes "Artist Tom Kemp has created a huge new work of art with a Palm Vx. It is a staggering 4 feet by 17 feet and consists of one thousand tiny paintings all made using the TealPaint application. As far as we know, this is the first serious, large-scale painting produced on a Palm."
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  • Re:Don't knock it... by sulli (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:24AM
  • No color? by JHromadka (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:41AM
  • Patent it! (Score:4)

    by geophile (16995) <[jao] [at] [geophile.com]> on Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:24AM (#676021) Homepage
    Yes, someone has done this, (e.g. Chuck Close is a recent example). But this guy did it on a computer, so now he can patent it.
  • Re:Whats the big deal? by omarius (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:43AM
  • Phew by Lawbeefaroni (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:43AM
  • Re:Oh...c'mon by siliconghost (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:44AM
  • Re:Oh...c'mon by aphr0 (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:15AM
  • WTF? :-| by romco (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:45AM
  • Re:Dumb art by skoda (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:45AM
  • Art is what art does by pres (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:17AM
  • Re:Patent it! by marcop (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:45AM
  • Time series art. (Score:3)

    by DHartung (13689) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:17AM (#676030) Homepage
    This is actually interesting for two reasons. One, naturally, is the /. nerd quotient that it was made on a Palm. The other interesting thing is that it's a time-series art project. Most people seem to have missed this.

    Each of the drawings was done sequentially. While individually they are merely doodles, what's interesting is to look at the square-by-square progression of each doodle to the next.

    No, it's no Mona Lisa, but art isn't merely about making pretty pictures. A work like this makes you think about the production process, the mindset of the artist as he proceeds through all N iterations of the project. It makes you think about what can be accomplished with just a few pixels. It's not representational art, and approaching it that way is a mistake.

    It's the 21st century. Hasn't anyone had an art class since 1891?
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  • More palm art (Score:4)

    by Zoyd (13778) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:45AM (#676031)
    These guys do some [endeffect.com]art on palms [endeffect.com]. Pretty good.

    (Yes, these are the fellows who do many of those amazing backgrounds that you see on screenshots at themes.org)
  • Re:Dumb art by Aerolith_alpha (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:19AM
  • It's kind of cool... by geobaker (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:20AM
  • Re:Oh...c'mon by Guano_Jim (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:21AM
  • favorite quote... by telstar (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:25AM
  • Re:Dumb art (Score:4)

    by drivers (45076) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:26AM (#676036)
    "This work does not inspire feeling"

    Speak for yourself. I thought it was a cool hack. That in itself is inspiration to me.
  • Re:Oh...c'mon by RiffRafff (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @02:07PM
  • Re:A non-issue--but for a different reason by b0z (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @02:08PM
  • Other tiny tech images... by Kris_J (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @02:52PM
  • Not the first Palm artwork. by pen (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @03:02PM
  • Meaning != Validity in art by Butt (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @03:08PM
  • Re:Yay! by Token User (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @04:50PM
  • Serious? by sandman935 (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:25AM
  • But when will they....... by Sheeple Police (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:25AM
  • You think? by Ndog (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:25AM
  • I think this is a stupid post on Slashdot by Pru (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:25AM
  • by interiot (50685) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:26AM (#676047) Homepage
    I think he read too many "Wouldn't it be cool if we had a Beowulf cluster of those?!?" posts on slashdot.
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  • What is art? by fogof (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:27AM
  • Not nearly expensive enough by Vassily Overveight (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:46AM
  • there is better art+tech out there by atomJack (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:28AM
  • Re:HOW STUPIDLY USELESS by Nastard (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:46AM
  • First Serious Art on SlashDot! by selectspec (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:28AM
  • Re:That's sort of pathetic. by skoda (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:48AM
  • Re:Dumb art by ichimunki (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:49AM
  • by isaac (2852) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:50AM (#676055)
    Predictably, a lot of people are crawling out of their holes to shout "that's not special! I could do that"

    Well, this guy DID do it. The Mona Lisa it ain't, but at least this guy unassed himself to create something new. Good for him!

    Those of you offended at this guy's "bad art", go out and create something better, and show this guy up. Otherwise, you're all talk.

    Reminds me of the people who talk shit about rap requiring no talent "because it's just talking fast". It was always fun to put them on the spot and start beat-boxing, waiting for them to rap along "'cuz anyone can do that!"

    -Isaac

  • Re:art.... by dina_1 (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:51AM
  • Re:Think it's already been done by sips (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:28AM
  • Re:Calling all lamers... by Erasmus Darwin (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:29AM
  • by Erasmus Darwin (183180) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:52AM (#676059)
    Yes, but that's the entire appeal of the piece. Through a subtle juxtaposition of form and style, it manages to create a holistic embodiment of the tedium of modern existence, as expressed through our neo-techno-centric culture.

    Furthermore, it manages to utilize shading and light, in order to express a sort of fuzzy gray, that is neither black nor white. This shows the artist's intention of trying to break from the traditional, clear-cut boundries of society, instead opting for a nebulous ambiguity.

    Also, the work speaks to the viewer's logical side, for it implicitly poses the conundrum, "If this is not art, then it must be pornography. Yet I feel no sexual thrill from the work. Therefore, it must be art."

    Finally, the doodlish nature embodies man's inner-child. Are we not all children at heart, especially when we get a new, expensive, electronic toy?

    (I'm generally reluctant to post humerous material on serious stories. But I can't see how anyone in their right mind can take this work seriously.)

  • Re:I think this is a stupid post on Slashdot by telstar (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:29AM
  • Re:Oh...c'mon by tobyjaffey (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:55AM
  • Re:Should be titled: "Man Bored In Meeting" by tono (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:30AM
  • Re:Calling all lamers... by Guano_Jim (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:33AM
  • I agree by sulli (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:43AM
  • Never talk art with a group of nerds by festers (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:49AM
  • I'm not sure ... by DarthBobo (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @05:06PM
  • What the artist was trying to say - by unsung (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:50AM
  • Free your mind and your ass will follow... by Bobo Kaput (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @05:07PM
  • Re:Calling all lamers... by Erasmus Darwin (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @05:30PM
  • it's about time by selectspec (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:08AM
  • How about reading the fucking article? by Q*bert (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:51PM
  • Think it's already been done by sips (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:11AM
  • Ever heard of abstract art? by Q*bert (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @11:03PM
  • Yay! by Wiggin (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:11AM
  • That's an excellent idea. by Q*bert (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @11:19PM
  • Boustrophedon (just in case you care) by Q*bert (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @11:42PM
  • Dumb art by Water Paradox (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:13AM
  • Someone makes a doodle by Bender Unit 22 (Score:1) Thursday October 26 2000, @12:36AM
  • here's my 2 cents by Misfit (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:10AM
  • The TealPaint application by Bender Unit 22 (Score:1) Thursday October 26 2000, @12:40AM
  • Pic of the work o' art by fogof (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:16AM
  • by OlympicSponsor (236309) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:30AM (#676082)
    I see a lot of responses here about "so he doodles on a Palm Pilot and suddenly he's an 'artist', so what". That's a pretty specious argument which is easily torn apart by a counter-argument: "so he slaps a bunch of colored liquid on a piece of paper and suddenly he's an 'artist', so what".

    It's not the "he's not an artist" aspect that makes this story uninteresting. It's the fact that this story is no more and no less interesting than if he had used babylonic cuneiform on clay tablets. THAT'S what makes this story boring--it's just like all the others. He hasn't created a new art form or used the Palm in a novel way--he's just done regular old drawing and combined them in a mosaic. His message isn't exploiting his medium, I guess I want to say.

    I mean, imagine if he had made something that you could transmit to other Palms and it would modify itself (or the "user/viewer" could modify it). It's interactive, it's distributed--THAT would be new and interesting.
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    An abstained vote is a vote for Bush and Gore.
  • The Point... by ibanix (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:31AM
  • by quamper (229753) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:33AM (#676084) Homepage
    I tried doing that on an etch a sketch once, but when I took it into kinkos the just looked at me wierd when I asked them to print it for me.
    And I got all upset and started jumping up and down and my masterpiece was gone :(

    My next attempt was a light bright.. but that ended even worse...
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  • Re:The Point... by Lawbeefaroni (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:57AM
  • More about art (Score:3)

    by cube farmer (240151) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:58AM (#676086) Homepage

    As others have pointed out, this work by itself [demon.co.uk] doesn't seem particularly groundbreaking. However, when considered as part of a series of works [demon.co.uk] by the artist, it does have more meaning.

    What Kemp has been doing over a longer period is exploring the medium of writing... How writing feels, how it looks, what it means.

    Almost be definition, Palm has established a new writing paradigm: handheld, portable, editable electronic writing. Yes, Apple's Newton and other devices have done this before, but the Palm popularized the medium.

    Kemp has taken this new paradigm and expressed it in meatspace, and quite well. If part of the meaning of art is to cause a discussion of issues, then not only has Kemp succeeded in creating a piece of surprising aesthetics, but also in fomenting a discussion of its merits.

  • Art Critics by Night Stalker (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:59AM
  • Re:Think it's already been done by ctxspy (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:01AM
  • Specificity by Monte (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:08AM
  • Underwhelming by Bobby Orr (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:10AM
  • Re:Whats the big deal? by excesspwr (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @10:14AM
  • Re:Calling all lamers... by deanc (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @11:11AM
  • Damn right by cheese_wallet (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @11:18AM
  • Re:Never talk art with a group of nerds by deanc (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @11:18AM
  • complaints missing the point by madmancarman (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @11:25AM
  • Re:Calling all lamers... by WWWWolf (Score:1) Thursday October 26 2000, @02:45AM
  • Must have cost a fortune by cylcyl (Score:1) Thursday October 26 2000, @05:48AM
  • Re:More about art by PsychoI3oy (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @11:33AM
  • Re:Oh...c'mon by siliconghost (Score:1) Friday October 27 2000, @09:08AM
  • you know what you like... by doggo (Score:1) Saturday October 28 2000, @06:48AM
  • Whats the big deal? by savvy (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:17AM
  • JEBUS KNOWS ART by mighty jebus (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:18AM
  • Disected palms by pallen (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:18AM
  • Re:Dumb art by Col. Klink (retired) (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:20AM
  • That's art? by Cre8oR (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:20AM
  • Re:Dumb art (Score:3)

    by ichimunki (194887) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:37AM (#676106)
    As a person with a degree in fine art, who has actually managed to sell artwork, and is a regular attendee at galleries and museums, I have to agree with this sentiment, if not the exact wording.

    The piece taken as a whole is incoherent at best. There are 1000 of these screen shots, but they are not arranged in any way that is actually pleasing. Nothing in the work speaks to the electronic scribble origination of the screen shots-- unless you want to state that the presentation is so incredibly sterile as to be unmistakably machine made. Some of the individual scribbles appear to be incredibly graceful, which makes the whole thing that much more tragic in it's complete lack of coherence. I find it appalling that any real meaning assigned to this piece will have to be scraped together post hoc, and that if the artist had any intentions in the creative process that they are largely unexpressed.

    Finally, as I somewhat stated already, the part of this piece that comes from having been executed in part on a Palm is irrelevant. This same effect could have been achieved by painting a grid on a canvas and then scribbling in each of the spaces. I'd be a lot more impressed if the Palm had been used as a tool rather than as a kind artistic buzzword to obtain legitimacy for what is otherwise an empty art object. For instance, why not use Tealpaint to capture quick sketches of places/things/etc that wouldn't be practical to take a traditional analog drawing/painting tool too. Because the Palm is symbiotic with a PC, this could lead to a remote reworking of the sketches. But this work completely overlooks the Palm's dependence on a second system.

    Finally, I don't think art can't simply be beautiful, elegant, or even ugly without making a point of some sort, but this is utterly NULL. It says nothing. It does appear to inspire feeling. It won't even match the carpet in a corporate lobby.
  • It's not bad (Score:5)

    by CharmQuark (200261) on Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:38AM (#676107)
    This, as I am sure many people will say, is not a revolutionary concept. People have been string pictures together in various ways for a very long time. Another collage or storyboard does not in itself make art.

    What is interesting is the use of a palm to talk about writing. Writing or drawing on a piece of glass is a very different experience than writing on paper or parchment or plywood or whatever. The potentially artful part of this may be the progression of the pictures, as the artist grows comfortable with this new medium and the restrictive size. Even in the few squares we can see, there is much experimentation. For example we see the contrasts of various levels of white space, or various amounts of entropy. If nothing else, the palm allows the artist to express an emotion or thought immediately.

    Of course, it looks simple and we all say we could do it; but how many of us do. We have to give the guy credit for trying.

  • Re:slashdot continues the SUCK trend... by tuffy (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:40AM
  • Re:What is art? by delysid-x (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:40AM
  • Palm drawing storage by Ashen (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @11:50AM
  • Re:Calling all lamers... by isaac (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @11:54AM
  • Re:The Point... by fawlty (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @12:06PM
  • Please visit some _real_ Art and Technology. by robdeadtech (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @12:24PM
  • Way to go, Slashdot readers by xenophon1 (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @12:27PM
  • You know what they say about modern art... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @12:43PM
  • Re:Please visit some _real_ Art and Technology. by robdeadtech (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @12:53PM
  • Re:You got links! by selectspec (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:21AM
  • Serious? by karma_policeman (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:22AM
  • Re:Whats the big deal? by hrieke (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:23AM
  • Don't knock it... by Mindwarp (Score:2) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:23AM
  • Pokey the Penguin by sklib (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:23AM
  • Should be titled: "Man Bored In Meeting" by tuffy (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:23AM
  • I'm no art critic but... by selectspec (Score:1) Wednesday October 25 2000, @09:23AM
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