Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

News for nerds, stuff that matters

Blizzard Rains on Bnetd Project

Posted by michael on Wed Feb 20, 2002 09:27 PM
from the yellow-rain dept.
Sir Homer writes: "Blizzard Entertainment has shut down the bnetd project using the DMCA, as declared in their site. The bnetd project is a battle.net server emulator licenced under the GNU/GPL originally for Linux and also works on most Unix variants. Project details can be found on this freshmeat.net page." As I understood it, bnetd was a complete re-implementation of battle.net, so it isn't clear what copyright violation Blizzard alleges occurred. Note to bnetd: under the DMCA, you can file a counter-notice with the hosting provider asserting that Blizzard was wrong.
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
Blizzard Rains on Bnetd Project | Log In/Create an Account | Top | 771 comments (Spill at 50!) | Index Only | Search Discussion
Display Options Threshold:
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
(1) | 2
  • Blizzard: it's been fun (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Rev. Null (127972) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:30PM (#3041634)
    You guys make some great games. I've had countless hours of fun with the Diablos, the Warcrafts, and Starcraft. Now I'll never buy any of your products again. Bye.
  • Down with the DMCA! (Score:3, Informative)

    by I Want GNU! (556631) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:30PM (#3041639) Homepage
    We all know that the DMCA sucks, so how about we do something about it? Sign the "Abolish the Digital Millenium Copyright Act" petition! [petitiononline.com]. Oh yeah, and donate to the Free Software Foundation [fsf.org], those goes have been working pretty hard to stop this nonsense from taking place.

    It's time the politicians got some sense knocked into them.
    • Re:Down with the DMCA! by einer (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:34PM
      • Re:Down with the DMCA! (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Jeremi (14640) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:54PM (#3042125) Homepage
        Writing a letter, sealing it in an envelope, purchasing postage, and mailing the letter means infinately more


        Does it? I've written a few letters to my legislators, and with one partial I have had no indication that my letters were ever opened, much less read. For all I know, they are stilling sitting in anthrax quarantine somewhere, or were thrown out unopened. Realistically, the best I can hope for is that some intern scanned the first paragraph of the letter for keywords, pressed a "tally one against the DMCA" button on his computer, and threw the letter away. Can someone offer me evidence to the contrary? I'd love to see my cynicism refuted by someone's experiences to the contrary... :^/


        Essentially I feel like I have no say in my government's decisions, because I'm not rich enough to buy influence through campaign contributions. And even if I did have enough money to buy influence, I hardly think that is the way a democracy is supposed to work. Time to move to Canada?

        [ Parent ]
    • 3 replies beneath your current threshold.
  • First Nintendo, now Blizzard by Imperial Tacohead (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:31PM
  • Boycott (Score:5, Insightful)

    by qslack (239825) <qslack@@@pobox...com> on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:31PM (#3041645) Homepage Journal
    bnetd was a lifesaver for me. Battle.net wouldn't work with my LAN setups so when I wanted to play with friends, one of them set up a bnetd. Thank you for all you've done, whoever wrote it.

    But on to the topic of Blizzard. They're soon to be releasing Warcraft III, and the Slashdot audience is going to be a major market for them. I think we should steer away from any of their products until they withdraw this complaint and compensate/apologize.

    So: when you see Warcraft III on the shelves, don't buy it. Buy Castle Wolfenstein or whatever, just don't buy products from a company who is against our rights on the net.
  • Overseas! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by starduste (550437) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:31PM (#3041647)
    What about hosting the site overseas? That way, the DMCA copyright law would not apply...
    • Re:Overseas! (Score:4, Funny)

      by Kryptolus (238444) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:33PM (#3041661) Homepage
      And when the server flies to US for some reason ... the FBI aressts it ...

      hmm ...
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Overseas! by shogun (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:51PM
        • Re:Overseas! by LiENUS (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:16PM
          • Re:Overseas! by StandardDeviant (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @01:27AM
          • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
        • Re:Overseas! by Scooby Snacks (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:46AM
          • Re:Overseas! by scanman857 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @01:22AM
      • 2 replies beneath your current threshold.
    • 2 replies beneath your current threshold.
  • wcIII by lowtekneq (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:31PM
    • Re:wcIII by Quizme2000 (Score:3) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:51PM
      • Re:wcIII by Jay Mirioashi (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @02:53AM
      • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
    • Re:wcIII by C. Mattix (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:56PM
      • Re:wcIII by loraksus (Score:2) Thursday February 21 2002, @01:49AM
    • Re:wcIII by magnified_plaid (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @01:22AM
  • by Commienst (102745) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:32PM (#3041651) Homepage
    Sorry, ...

    ... we are down right now. However, this time it isn't because of technical reasons but for legal issues.

    This site has been disabled as requested by Blizzard Entertainment and it will remain closed as we have no legal recourse other than to file a lawsuit against a large corporation. This is due to 17 USC Section 512(c)(1)(C) (AKA DMCA, supposedly required to be passed by WIPO treaties). Blizzard claims bnetd is in violation of 17 USC Section 1201(b), though we do not agree with their interpretation. Blizzard refused to specify a specific list of files on this site so the whole thing must be blocked. We are very sorry for the inconvenience but there is nothing we can do.

    Text of original message follows:

    February 19, 2002

    Internet Gateway Inc.
    tjung@igateway.net
    noc@igateway.net
    hostmaster@igateway.net

    Dear Sir or Madam:
    This letter is to notify you, pursuant to the provisions of the Digital
    Millennium Copyright Act, that we believe one of your customers is
    infringing Blizzard Entertainment's, a division of Vivendi Universal Games,
    Inc. ("VUG"), copyrighted materials. Specifically, Blizzard Entertainment is
    the owner of the copyright for the computer games Diablo(r) II and StarCraft(r)
    and the multi-player server software run by Blizzard Entertainment on its
    Battle.net(r) site. The following site hosts and/or distributes software that
    violates Blizzard Entertainment's copyright:
    http://www.bnetd.org/
    The aforementioned site either hosts or distributes software which illegally
    modifies and/or alters Blizzard Entertainment copyrighted software or
    bypasses anti-circumvention technology, thereby infringing upon Blizzard
    Entertainment copyrights. Accordingly, Blizzard Entertainment demands that
    you act expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the web page listed
    above in order for you to claim a safe harbor under the DMCA from liability
    for contributory and vicarious copyright infringement. Please immediately
    delete or disable access to this web page and remove its contents from view.
    Should you have any questions, please contact the undersigned at
    piracy@blizzard.com or 949-955-1380 extension
    1616.
    I have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained
    of is not authorized by Blizzard Entertainment, VUG, its agents or the law,
    and that the information in this notice is accurate. I declare under penalty
    of perjury under the laws of the United States of America that I am
    authorized to act on behalf of all of the aforementioned entities.

    Sincerely,
    Rod Rigole
    Corporate Counsel

    End of original message.

    We would like to thank our users for all the support and feedback over the years.
  • Just think... by fluidmind (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:32PM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • Google comes to the rescue again. by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:32PM
  • fsgs battlenet server still available. by dan the person (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:34PM
  • Blizzard just fell in my estimation by HawaiianMayan (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:34PM
  • jeez by diamondc (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:35PM
    • Re:jeez by ajakk (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:39PM
      • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • The only solution (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Prop (4645) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:36PM (#3041682) Homepage

    People bitch about the DMCA but if Blizzard comes out with a must have game, will you go out and buy it anyway ?

    Time to show you intend to punish companies that wield the DMCA to clobber the little guys.

    Boycott Blizzard.

    • I second that by sam_handelman (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:19PM
    • Re:The only solution (Score:5, Insightful)

      by zerocool^ (112121) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:30PM (#3041939) Homepage Journal
      It won't do anything.

      I hate to burst the /. reader's bubble, but the collective group of us boycotting a game will do *nothing* to hurt blizard.
      Let's think about this: Slashdot has about a quarter million users. Of these, about 1/3 are zealots who don't run windows, not even for the little pleasures. Of the remaining, i would suspect fewer than 1/5 of them *EVER* buy software because they feel damnit it should be free (beer). And after that, I would say that 10% of the remaining windows users who don't pirate software actually play blizard games but would be still willing to participate in a boycot. The rest will go on buying the game anyway because it's going to be a good game.

      So we're left with 3000 people that will take part in a boycot against the DCMA and Blizzard simultaneously. Oh Ouch. How many copies of diablo II have sold? [blizzard.com]
      Well here's a guess. 2.75 Million copies. And again, [blizzard.com]
      how about the expansion? Another million copies. Boycotting them will do no good.

      Now, I was trying to figure out why they did this, and I was thinking "oh this is easy, there's a charge for playing on battle.net, that's their revenue model. But on battle.net [battle.net] i found this:
      Battle.net provides an arena for Blizzard customers to chat, challenge opponents and initiate multiplayer games, at no cost to the user. There is no hourly or monthly fee to use Battle.net, and there is no startup charge. To play a supported game over the Internet with other players worldwide, simply select the Battle.net option from within the game.

      So what gives, blizard? How is this helping you? Are there ads in battle.net? Do you use it for free market research somehow? Do you simply want to track ALL of the online blizard games going on? Throw me a bone here.

      But let's be serious: I'm not going to boycott blizzard. They've only released 5 games in their history, yet they've ALL been fantastic smash hits that i've loved. So I'm just going to go do the exact same thing that every other casual windows user on slashdot is going to do. I'm going to wait for a copy of it to hit kopykatz or morpheus and download it.

      Boo fucking hoo, boycot.

      ~z
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:The only solution by Yorrike (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:32PM
    • Re:The only solution by Cid Highwind (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:32PM
    • No... by Bartab (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:36PM
      • Re:No... by SamBeckett (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:36PM
    • Re:The only solution by J23SE (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:38PM
    • Re:The only solution by billcopc (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:53PM
    • You, too, are pretty stupid! by Luminair (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:54PM
    • Re:The only solution by Satai (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:13PM
    • hell no by Trepidity (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:49PM
    • Re:The only solution by person-0.9a (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:02AM
    • Re:The only solution by tshak (Score:2) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:11AM
    • 2 replies beneath your current threshold.
  • piracy??? by cakoose (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:36PM
    • Re:piracy??? by thermostat42 (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:48PM
    • Re:piracy??? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Jeremi (14640) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:14PM (#3042263) Homepage
      Nope it's because they really are dealing with a service that facilitates piracy, even if it was not their goal.


      Not true at all. "Doing nothing to prevent piracy" is not the same thing as "facilitating piracy". Facilitating piracy implies an intentional act (e.g. offering warez'd binaries for download). Simply failing to do key checking is not.


      Shall we make ftp illegal now because it does no checking to make sure that the files you transfer aren't copy protected? Most of the Internet would be a violation of the DMCA under your criteria. (hell, maybe it is... in which case either the DMCA goes or the Internet goes... they can't co-exist)

      [ Parent ]
      • Re:piracy??? by Dyolf Knip (Score:2) Thursday February 21 2002, @01:51AM
      • Re:piracy??? by Jeremi (Score:2) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:20PM
      • 3 replies beneath your current threshold.
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • They didn't shutdown sourceforge (Score:5, Informative)

    by Baca (7658) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:38PM (#3041695)
    http://sourceforge.net/projects/bnetd

    CVS, and the downloadable files are still there for now.
  • Just submitted this... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by crisco (4669) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:39PM (#3041702) Homepage
    to YRO, any bets whether it gets double posted to /. twice?

    Seriously though, this only happened when someone warezed the WarcraftIII beta and modified it to work with BNetD, creating an 'open' beta test. This obviously infuriated Blizzard into having the BNetD project shut down. A shame too, since it doesn't cost them anything to have quite a few more of their fans playing the beta.

    • Ha by crisco (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:41PM
      • Re:Ha by einer (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:58PM
    • Re:Just submitted this... by merlin_jim (Score:2) Thursday February 28 2002, @04:02PM
      • Brand image by crisco (Score:2) Thursday February 28 2002, @11:00PM
    • Re:Just submitted this... by crisco (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:05PM
    • 2 replies beneath your current threshold.
  • by Ieshan (409693) <[ieshan] [at] [gmail.com]> on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:39PM (#3041705) Homepage Journal
    Digital Millenium Copyright Act: (layman's definition) A piece of legislature which prevents people from thieving digital ideas or products and publishing them as their own.

    BNETD: A program that emulates a battle.net server.

    Notice how it says "server"? Blizzard doesn't sell their server software, and nor does BNETD allow people to play the Blizzard games. I've never heard of a company shutting down a utility on the grounds that it enables more people to use their product. That'd be like a bucket company suing a mop company for making mops designed to fit in their buckets.

    DMCA all over again...
  • Does Anyone Have the Code? by johnnyb (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:40PM
  • Blizzard violated the DMCA too. by athakur999 (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:41PM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • The real reason it was shut down... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by csen (41241) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:41PM (#3041715) Homepage
    I'm willing to bet some Warcraft III ladder points that the timing of bnetd being shut down was due to the Warcraft III beta. People (myself included) are using it to play the beta illegally, which maybe made them think that we'd simply use the cracked beta instead of buying the game at a later date. I still don't understand what's so bad about a few thousand extra beta testers, but hey, it's their product, they have the right to do whatever they want with it.
  • samba by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:43PM
  • by dbrown (29388) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:45PM (#3041732) Homepage
    If I remember correctly, Battle.net is a completely free service. It's not like bnetd was taking revenue away from some online service Blizzard has. However, Battle.net does serial number verification. You cannot create a battle.net account without a unique serial number which is only obtained by buying a legit copy of the game.

    I don't know enough about bnetd, but I would bet that bnetd doesn't do serial number verification. This basically allows everybody to use the same warez copy of a particular game and enjoy the benefits of Battle.net. I'm sure this is the largest reason why Blizzard wants to shut them down. Blizzard doesn't make any money off its free Battle.net service, but it does enforce that people actually buy the game.

    - d
  • Blizzard's Lawyers (Score:5, Informative)

    by protektor (63514) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:48PM (#3041744)
    Well I talked with Blizzards lawyers about this. They claim the problem is that bnetd doesn't have the CD-KEY anti-piracy that their servers have. Thus anyone with pirated copy can play online with bnetd but not on battle.net, thus we are encouraging piracy by providing a place for people with pirate copies to play online.

    I suspect the real reason is the Warcraft 3 BETA mess. Combine this with the issue of other groups (http://www.madgrfx.com/warforge.html, http://www.clan519.com/, and a group on DALnet #bnetd) trying to say that they were the bnetd group and began working to support the Warcraft 3 BETA being pirated everywhere. Well I am sure that didn't help things at all.
  • by mrAgreeable (47829) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:50PM (#3041751)
    They implement copy protection via a serial number, which is verified online through the battle.net servers. If you have your own server, and modify your hosts file or whatever so that it goes to this new server instead of the battle.net server, their copy protection is circumvented. The DMCA says you can't make a device ("device" having been interpreted to mean software) that bypasses copy protection.

    It's a terrible law, which copyright holders can apply in far too broad a scope, but terrible or not, it's on the books. Write your legislator, or hope the supreme court finally stops it.
  • Warcraft III Anyone? by Warped-Reality (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:51PM
  • mirror (Score:5, Informative)

    by jbridge21 (90597) <jeffrey+slashdot&firehead,org> on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:53PM (#3041767) Journal
    http://censored.firehead.org:1984/bnetd/

    I expect to get the CVS version of the project up there soon as well.
    • Re:mirror by linzeal (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:07PM
  • counter notice won't do any good by bugstomper (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:54PM
  • Bye Blizzard. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Restil (31903) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:54PM (#3041773) Homepage
    You've fallen. Starcraft was one of my favorite games. In fact, its the last game I ever bought, as I'm no longer much of a gamer. Me sitting here vowing to never purchase another of your games will no doubt fall on deaf ears, and it would be a pointless guesture since I'm not buying them anyways.

    But consider something. bnetd costs you nothing. If anything, it saves you bandwidth costs. You still sell the games. Oh, sure, you might complain that there's no cd key verification in bnetd and people can play cracked copies online with others now. Is this your reason? Perhaps it makes sense. Perhaps it doesn't. Maybe this gives cheaters the upper hand, maybe it doesn't. Maybe nobody really cares anyways.

    What have you accomplished? Did the DMCA stop the proliferation of decss? No, it just moved it underground. You've taken a legal product and forced them to become outlaws. Now they have NO desire to cooperate with you, nor should they. Here is a group of people, who for NO MONEY WHATSOEVER have taken it upon themselves to provide services in your honor, to promote your products. And how do you respond?

    What could these people have done for you? Its these same dedicated individuals who spend countless hours creating maps, who create all the fan sites. Creating for years on end an almost insatiable market of gamers who drool in anticipation of your next quality release, so they can start all over again starting with a purchase that puts money in your pocket and funds your next game. They're your customers. They're people who have a vested entertainment interest in prolonging the life and creative talents of your fine establishment. Without these people, your games would have no community. They would be played for a few months then forgotten. Your sales would never reach the levels you're used to seeing. These people are the reason you exist as you do today.

    And you've just gone and pissed them all off. Great job. I truely admire your lack of vision.

    -Restil
  • Blizzard Contact Info (Score:5, Informative)

    by tsm_sf (545316) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:55PM (#3041777) Journal

    Ok, here's the contact info straight from their web site, if you feel like voicing your opinion. Couldn't really find a "bitch at us" address...

    Blizzard Entertainment
    P.O. Box 18979
    Irvine, CA 92623

    Sales Information/Ordering
    USA: (800) 953-SNOW
    International: (949) 955-0283
    sales@blizzard.com

    Support
    support@blizzard.com or
    macsupport@blizzard.com

  • Starcraft by jjccss (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:58PM
    • Re:Starcraft by Drakin (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:03PM
  • I don't get it? by jsimon12 (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:58PM
  • Time to take (in)action... by deblau (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:59PM
  • get the files here while you can by kajoob (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:59PM
  • Plan of action: by Timbo (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:02PM
  • Oh well, I still have my copy by motorsabbath (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:04PM
    • oops - typo! by motorsabbath (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:07PM
  • Warcraft III - The Irony! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:07PM
  • This is nothing new. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Maul (83993) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:07PM (#3041833) Journal
    One of my roomates was responsible for the work (mainly analyzing the packets) that brought bnetd to
    life several years ago. In fact, the news was on Slashdot at the time, IIRC. He gave the project to
    someone else, and no longer has anything to do with
    bnetd.

    Incidentally, he told me he recieved a cease and desist order from Blizzard when the news got out about his work. He also says he ignored it, and
    nothing happened. However, this was before the DMCA existed, IIRC, so now Blizzard has the
    teeth to follow through.

    So Blizzard has been after bnetd before. This is
    nothing new.
  • I can honestly see why this is happening... by AnimeFreak (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:07PM
  • Let Bliz know... by TheTrunkDr. (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:08PM
  • battled is back! by famazza (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:10PM
  • Jezus. by Pope Slackman (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:12PM
  • and here come the local mirrors by ShinGouki (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:13PM
  • Very sorry by NonReal (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:21PM
    • Re:Very sorry by MrP- (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:29PM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • why they did it- by /tmp (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:23PM
  • my lettter to Blizzard (Score:3, Interesting)

    by moebius_4d (26199) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:23PM (#3041915) Journal
    Subject: DMCA action => no more customer
    From: [my email address]
    Date: 20 Feb 2002 22:16:13 -0500
    To: Rod Rigole

    Dear Mr. Rigole:

    Blizzard has had good success in parting me from my money. I have half a
    shelf of the fine games your company has produced. However, that era is
    over. Your ridiculous and short-sighted attack on the bnetd project,
    claiming that the creation of a program that interfaces with your
    somehow infringes on your copyright, may successfully stop that
    interesting effort. Regardless of its success, it has cost you my
    business forever, and you may rest assured that I will bring to the
    attention of anyone soliciting my views of what to purchase your
    company's bad behavior.

    In an industry where some companies, like iD and Sierra, find great
    success in opening their flagship products for interoperability with
    customer-designed modifications, and even release old source code as a
    learning resource for the larger community, your company has decided
    that preventing enthusiasts from working with your products somehow
    protects you. What it will protect you from is getting any more of my
    money.

    Sincerely,

    [signature]
  • Perhaps a sane, rational letter to sales@blizzard? by BlackStar (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:26PM
    • While good, by Amiasian (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:42AM
  • Dont like it? DO SOMETHING! by buss_error (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:29PM
  • Sue the lawyer? by Lee Bottemiller (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:29PM
  • Yawn. by base3 (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:32PM
    • DeCSS? by MrP- (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:38PM
      • Re:DeCSS? by base3 (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:40PM
  • Mirrors by damiam (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:36PM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • Counter File Paperwork (Score:5, Informative)

    by Malk-a-mite (134774) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:37PM (#3041975) Journal
    Adjust to your needs and fill in the blanks.
    Was orginally made to deal with Napster issues at the height of the craze.
    --
    Malk-a-mite
    =============

    Dear Internet Service Provider:

    This letter is written in response to your notification to me of a complaint received about my webpage(s). The pages in question are:

    (insert list of URLs here).

    The complainant's claim of copyright violation should be rejected because (please see all checked items):

    The material in question is not copyrighted, or the copyright has expired. It is therefore in the public domain and may be reproduced by anyone.

    The complainant has provided no copyright registration information or other tangible evidence that the material in question is in fact copyrighted, and I have a good faith belief that it is not. The allegation of copyright violation is therefore in dispute, and at present unsupported.

    The complainant does not hold the copyright to the material in question and is not the designated representative of the copyright holder, and therefore lacks standing to assert that my use of the material is a violation of any of the owner's rights.

    My use of the material is legally protected because it falls within the "fair use" provision of the copyright regulations, as defined in 17 USC 107. If the complainant disagrees that this is fair use, he or she is free to take up the matter with me directly, in the courts. You, the ISP, are under no obligation to settle this dispute, or to take any action to restrict my speech at the behest of this complainant. Furthermore, siding with the complainant in a manner that interferes with my lawful use of your facilities could constitute breach of contract on your part.

    The complaint does not follow the prescribed form for notification of an alleged copyright violation as set forth in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 USC 512(c)(3).
    Specifically, the complainant has failed to:

    Provide a complaint in written form.
    [17 USC 512(c)(3)(A)]

    Include a physical or electronic signature of the complainant.
    [17 USC 512(c)(3)(A)(i)]

    Identify the specific copyrighted work claimed to be infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works are covered by a single complaint, provide a representative list of such works.
    [17 USC 512(c)(3)(A)(ii)]

    Provide the URLs for the specific files on my website that are alleged to be infringing.
    [17 USC 512(c)(3)(A)(iii)]

    Provide sufficient information to identify the complainant, including full name, mailing address, telephone number, and email address.
    [17 USC 512(c)(3)(A)(iv)]

    Include a written statement that the complainant has a good faith belief that use of the disputed material is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.
    [17 USC 512(c)(3)(A)(v)]

    Include a written statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complainant is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
    [17 USC 512(c)(3)(A)(vi)]

    This communication to you is a DMCA counter-notification letter as defined in 17 USC 512(g)(3):

    I declare, under penalty of perjury, that I have a good faith belief that the complaint of copyright violation is based on mistaken information, misidentification of the material in question, or deliberate misreading of the law.

    My name, address, and telephone number are as follows:
    (insert your name, address and phone number here).

    I hereby consent to the jurisdiction of Federal District Court for the judicial district in which I reside (or, if my address is outside the United States, any judicial district in which you, the ISP, may be found).

    I agree to accept service of process from the complainant.

    My actual or electronic signature follows: ________________________________.

    Having received this counter-notification, you are now obligated under

    17 USC 512(g)(2)(B) to advise the complainant of this notice, and to restore the material in dispute (or not take the material down in the first place), unless the complainant files suit against me within 10 days.


    David S. Touretzky is a principal scientist in the Computer Science Department and the Center for the Neural Basis of Cognition at Carnegie Mellon University.
  • Dear Vendors: by Jay Carlson (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:38PM
  • Are these people on acid? by MillionthMonkey (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:41PM
  • Re:Are these people on acid? by White Shadow (Score:3) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:35AM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • Sounds like bullshit (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Tom7 (102298) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:41PM (#3042006) Homepage Journal

    I'm no lawyer, but this sounds like pure bullshit to me.

    It's common practice for corporate lawyers to send vague threatening (but totally unfounded) e-mails to people when they don't like what they're doing, even if they have no intention to fight a losing legal battle.

    Here's why I think this is stupid:

    - The anti-circumvention clause deals with access to a copyrighted work. There doesn't appear to be a copyrighted work in question here.

    - There is an explicit exception for reverse engineering for the purpose of interoperability, with a sentence like, "... to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs." Which seems to be almost precisely what they are doing.

    FYI, the text of the DMCA is here: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/title17/92chap12.html [loc.gov] .

    Even if you can't afford a lawsuit, please guys, make it expensive (in some sense) for corporations to make these kinds of threats. That can mean fighting back a little and racking up legal fees, that can mean spreading the word on fansites and such and causing an *increase* in popularity (when what they want to do of course is to stifle the project). It can mean starting up your own similar project and making them have to track you down and threaten you, too.

    Personally, I've had a couple of these run-ins myself. For the first one, I got help from the FSF and the lawyers finally backed off. Most recently, I had a run in with some type foundries over my program "embed" ( http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~twm/embed/ [cmu.edu] ); simply letting the lawyer know that I wasn't willing to back down without a fight convinced them to give up.

  • BNETD Mirror by J23SE (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:50PM
  • Things to make you go hmmmm by sqlrob (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:53PM
  • Some stuff to do.... by TheOnlyCoolTim (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:57PM
  • Anti-circumvention technology by nosse_elendili (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:01PM
  • The notice was incorrectly served and not binding. by Ndr_Amigo (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:02PM
  • Partial Mirror by Akardam (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:02PM
  • /. doesn't get it by qwerty123 (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:06PM
  • Seems to me... by TrebleJunkie (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:06PM
  • it's a tool for piracy by duran.goodyear (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:07PM
  • This is getting silly by Coppertone (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:08PM
  • My Letter to sales, piracy@blizzard.com by al3x (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:20PM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • Why? by Jimmy_B (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:22PM
    • Re:Why? by Chris Mattern (Score:2) Thursday February 21 2002, @03:33PM
      • Re:Why? by Jimmy_B (Score:2) Thursday February 21 2002, @09:24PM
  • Last time statistics by atl (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:25PM
  • mmmmm, FreeBSD is tastey by gladbach (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:29PM
  • In other news by Graymalkin (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:29PM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • bnetd staff not responsible for War 3 beta support by Stucco02 (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:30PM
  • What is Blizzard's nightmare? by logout (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:41PM
  • by tweakt (325224) on Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:44PM (#3042438) Homepage
    FREE STANDARD GAME SERVER

    Check out FSGS, it's available for windows and linux and works great. I tested it at a lan party, we played 4 or 5 8-player starcraft games with it on the local LAN using TCP/IP!! (NO MORE IPX!!!).

    It works for westwood games too (Red Alert, etc).

    FSGS [fsgs.net]

  • lets stop this legislation.copy this letter to all by Cardhore (Score:2) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:44PM
  • Well, at least I have the beta. by SnicklesTheElf (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:46PM
  • The reason behind shutting down bnetd by SageMadHatter (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:57PM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • Was that paper or email? by Spazmania (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @11:58PM
  • circumvention device before what it circumvents? by tsiar (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:01AM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • I don't get it by Thakandar2 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:03AM
  • Warcraft3 1.03 bnetd has been emulated... by Postal21 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:15AM
  • Freenet Sourceforge by IdeaMan (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:31AM
  • Flood their support e-mail with boycott by bferrell (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:34AM
  • Get Bnetd From SourceForge by JungleBoy (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:52AM
  • From the FAQ... by Mr.Ned (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @01:01AM
  • Geeze by rattid (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @01:12AM
  • For Just a Second, Consider the Other Side of This by EatenByAGrue (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @01:21AM
  • Mirror this! by scanman857 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @01:47AM
  • 101 uses of the DMCA by Loki_1929 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @02:08AM
  • here's my take by Lelon (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @02:54AM
  • Open Source must be the problem here. by Dhalka226 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @02:57AM
  • fsgs by blitz77 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @03:01AM
  • CD Key? by Val314 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @03:15AM
  • /. and the DMCA - schizophrenia? by sp1nl0ck (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @03:45AM
  • That's smart Blizzard by codexus (Score:2) Thursday February 21 2002, @04:16AM
  • die pigs by aminorex (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @04:24AM
  • Why not host the project on freenet ? by OeLeWaPpErKe (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @04:34AM
  • Apathy and boycotting by modipodio (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @06:46AM
  • Hmm... by Tuonenkielo (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @07:23AM
  • Legal chill by geoswan (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @08:39AM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • maybe blizzard is right by Sublimed (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @09:08AM
  • Was this the first notice? by Queuetue (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @09:35AM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • Piracy = Bootleg Warcraft III Beta by mikelu (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @09:55AM
  • Circumvent the DMCA by Simpler (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @10:07AM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • My email to Blizzard. by jbailey999 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @10:36AM
  • What about pirate games? by Maset (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @11:37AM
  • Now Warforge has chickened out. by welthqa (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @11:42AM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • StarCraft and Broodwar.. deleted. by Ojibar (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:01PM
  • Email adresses of blizzard execs by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:41PM
  • Blizzard gets money from Battle.net by Jesse Miller (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:43PM
  • You really want to hurt Blizzard?! by Dizzy49 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:52PM
  • Find a technical fix by dmmjr (Score:2) Thursday February 21 2002, @12:55PM
  • Legal recourse, as an insider (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Tyriel (560688) on Thursday February 21 2002, @01:58PM (#3046369) Homepage
    Speaking as someone who's been involved in the bnetD project (though not in the center of it), I should probably point out a couple things, on the offchance someone hasn't mentioned them already. Typhoon and Mysticales are working on a legal response (possibly in line with the helpful link [harvard.edu] the original poster made). In any event, the project isn't going anywhere. Some people in these threads support Blizzard or at least think they have a case, so please let me address that. The specific complaints Blizzard lists in their note are:
    The aforementioned site either hosts or distributes software which illegally modifies and/or alters Blizzard Entertainment copyrighted software or bypasses anti-circumvention technology, thereby infringing upon Blizzard Entertainment copyrights.
    Let's run down the list there.
    • Modifies or alters Blizzard software. Nope, it's entirely independent. Users choose to connect of their own accord, by their own means. We only run our own software.
    • Bypasses anti-circumvention technology. What, the CDkey system for Blizzard games? We don't enable users to pirate software, we only provide gaming servers for people who already own the games.
    Something else to consider. If BnetD violates copyrights, then how about the 15,000 average concurrent users on FSGS [fsgs.net]? Anyone remember Kali? Surely if Blizzard let those services exist for years upon years, bnetD is no more harmful a precedent. Last, Blizzard ought to rethink their policy of aggression on anyone who tries to enhance the experience for their users (might I mention UltimateBot [ultimatebot.com]). The thousands of users that FSGS claims are NOT hogging the limited bandwidth (or development resources) of the battle.net staff. FSGS, BnetD and any related projects are really helping Blizzard more than they're hurting them. All fans of the project can rest assured that this isn't the last you've heard about BnetD :) Thanks,
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • CVS tarball by bleyddyn (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @02:05PM
  • Now I know about bnetd... by demo9orgon (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @03:12PM
  • Kali? Kahn? by Sparky9292 (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @03:17PM
  • PLEASE READ (BLIZZARD DID THE RIGHT THING) by BaGGyGCX (Score:1) Friday February 22 2002, @01:14AM
  • Fallacy Sampler! by RedSynapse (Score:1) Friday February 22 2002, @01:40AM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • Letter to Blizzard by g_bit (Score:1) Friday February 22 2002, @01:31PM
  • Bullshit by evil_one (Score:2) Friday February 22 2002, @01:36PM
  • Re:So What? You can still download... by dnight (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:58PM
  • You suck at trolling by i_am_nitrogen (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:05PM
  • Re:bnetd is mature by slakdrgn (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:10PM
  • Re:Forget about it! by Cirvam (Score:1) Wednesday February 20 2002, @10:44PM
  • Re:Unlike the others by protektor (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @01:24AM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • Re:I'm siding with Blizzard for now by KagatoLNX (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @02:06AM
  • Re:I'm siding with Blizzard for now by killj0y (Score:1) Thursday February 21 2002, @05:27AM
    • 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
  • 72 replies beneath your current threshold.
  • (1) | 2