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Sega Giving Stock To Stop ISO Pirates?

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thu Sep 07, 2000 09:42 AM
from the never-heard-of-that-before dept.
atheos acording to this story kalisto was given stop options to cease releasing ripped dreamcast ISOs. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I don't think I've ever heard of this. I mean, its a lot nicer then sending in the legal attack sharks (and the page proclaims that they will move on to the PSX) but something feels odd about this. Emulators and ISOs are very different things in my eyes. Anyway, take this whole story with a big old salt lick since we don't really have much to go on here, but I just found this odd.
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  • Stop Options by RPoet (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:04AM
  • Netscape? by mholve (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:04AM
  • by toast- (72345) on Thursday September 07 2000, @05:04AM (#798746)
    Jesus. Why do people buy into this shit?

    Kalisto wanted out, and didn't have a witty thing to say. So they made something up. If you read their previous NFO's they were rather pissed off at the 'scene' and one would easily say they did want out.

    Now the issue of Sega giving stock options is ludicrist. Sega would rather hand them some handcuffs rather than money or options. You better believe that sega still wants them in jail.

    And finally, if the 'warez site' in question was more up to date, you'd notice a new group has formed (named echelon), right after kalisto has 'exited'. Seems a little suspicious to you, doesn't it?

    Finally, here are some links that are comparibly better than the one provided in the story.

    Isonews [isonews.com]

    152.org [152.org]

    You can see the 'nfos' from the new group 'echelon' and give youself a better picture of the dreamcast pirate world.

  • Bout time by dolo666 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:58AM
  • Re:Please, it's not real. by Captain Derivative (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:08AM
  • Re:It's cheaper than lawyers by stx23 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:18AM
  • No more penis birds by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:30AM
  • Re:Sounds like Homer and his free motor boat. by robman (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:30AM
  • Re:This is just a joke by Fishstick (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:32AM
  • Maybe a hoax, maybe the smell of blood by 64.28.67.48 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:05AM
  • Kalisto. by Jon Shaft (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:05AM
  • Stocks these days by mholve (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:06AM
  • Lame idea by Frijoles (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:07AM
  • Editorial review by Misch (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:07AM
  • Re:hire them! (Score:4)

    by toast- (72345) on Thursday September 07 2000, @05:07AM (#798758)
    F.Y.I PSX2 games have been hackable for the same amount of time or longer than dream cast.

    They come on DVD's and they simply apply the same ripping or downsampling procedures to get it to fit on a CD.

    The dreamcast is tougher due to the custom 'data' format (gdrom), and the group 'utopia' was the first to break the protection.

    Kalisto uses the same anti-protection that utopia created to break the games.
  • We need a new RFC (Score:5)

    by Rombuu (22914) on Thursday September 07 2000, @05:07AM (#798759)
    For the SBP (Slashdot Bullshit Protocol). Basically, you send a story out to 5 people before you publish it on the front page. If 5 of them go "Bullshit!", then you don't publish the story.
  • Re:MS Next by extar-bags (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:08AM
  • Well this is reassuring. by Victor Ng (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:08AM
  • Re: stop option? by DigitalCutie (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:40AM
  • .. by vbrtrmn (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:43AM
  • More plausible than you think... by Nick Ives (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:46AM
  • Not a bad idea by kevin42 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:46AM
  • Re:.. by Fishstick (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:50AM
  • Hidden Motive? by SealBeater (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:53AM
  • not emulators by heff (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:47AM
  • I can see it now (Score:4)

    by Auckerman (223266) on Thursday September 07 2000, @04:49AM (#798769)
    Sega: Hey, if you don't steal our stuff, we'll sell you this stock for really cheap.

    Pirate: j00 m$t B k1dd1ng m3, b1tch, ur $t0cK 1$ g01ng t0 b w0rthl3s s00n. P$x2 0wnz all.

    Sega: How about if we give it too you?

    Pirate: n0 th4nx

  • Please. by Gray (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @08:21AM
  • Uhhh... by TJ6581 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:50AM
  • Stock options, in a way, are stock. by yerricde (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @08:29AM
  • Re:.. by Mr_Ceebs (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:51AM
  • busted (Score:5)

    by austad (22163) on Thursday September 07 2000, @05:09AM (#798774) Homepage
    Hi, we're Sega. We don't know who you really are, but if you stop pirating our games we'll give you stock options. Then when you go to collect on them we'll find out who you really are. Then, we'll duct tape your wrists to your ankles and our lawyers will take turns until you can no longer walk.
  • KALiSTO did this already... by TrpyNuSCK (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:10AM
  • Incorrect. by Auckerman (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:11AM
  • If only they went one step further. by Orclover (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:11AM
  • Re:Netscape? by rrogers (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:13AM
  • Re:KALiSTO did this already... by toast- (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:13AM
  • In related news... by Riplakish (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @08:30AM
  • Slashdot is now the most retarded news source ever by SonicRED (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @08:53AM
  • Re:Sounds like Homer and his free motor boat. by Binary Tree (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @09:10AM
  • IT WAS A JOKE PEOPLE, A JOKE by TobyWong (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @09:18AM
  • Re:Please, it's not real. by dogbowl (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @09:33AM
  • Re:DC vs. PS2 by Phil Wilkins (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @09:40AM
  • old, and lame by inkey string (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @09:51AM
  • Re:Breathing Life into an otherwise dead platform by Watts (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @09:59AM
  • I think this is all a stupid prank, or a Kalisto inside joke/coverup on why they're not releasing anymore.

    Why am I skeptical?

    1-I'm unsure about the legality of this in the first place. Basically, Sega is bribing these people with stock options, and I'll eat my own shorts if there isn't some law out there that prohibits this.

    2-Let's say bribing people with stock is actually legal. Don't you think Sega would make them sign some agreement that they may not disclose this transaction publicly? If I was running a big corporation, I would sure want my bribes to criminals kept secret ... maybe Sega of America has a different philosophy about this?

    3-Continuing with #2's assumption, what are Sega's stockholders going to think, when they find out that the people who may possibly cripple the Dreamcast console are getting free stocks? Would Sega really be so bold/stupid? How would they explain these actions at stockholder meetings?

    4-Just before their announcement, Kalisto had briefly stopped releasing Dreamcast ISOs because they think the Dreamcast ISO "scene" is ungrateful. Shortly thereafter, they released about 4-5 games, then stated that they are no longer releasing anything because Sega is bribing them. This all stinks of trying to find reasons to stop releasing. They could have easily stopped releasing due to the first reason, rather than publicly announcing that they are being paid the "ransom".

    5-Just after Kalisto stops releasing, a "new" group called Echelon emerges and immediately starts releasing games using fairly advanced ripping/booting techniques, as if they've been doing it for ages. Looks like Kalisto, smells like Kalisto. Hmmm, maybe this is all just a big name change for a piracy group?
  • Re:Euro Sinks Again by Auckerman (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:17AM
  • Re:hire them! by MillMan (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:19AM
  • Re:Please, it's not real. by toast- (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @10:08AM
  • Re:hire them! by inkey string (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @10:09AM
  • Re:If it's unconfirmed why post it? by Denor (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @10:09AM
  • Re:Please, it's not real. by JoeShmoe (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @10:15AM
  • Re:This is just a joke by BrK (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @10:20AM
  • Stock? I think not! Let's try the stockade! by unsupported (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @11:08AM
  • They ARE stop options by rellort (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:24AM
  • by bob_jordan (39836) on Thursday September 07 2000, @05:24AM (#798798)
    "Hi, I'm Calisto, I'm here for my stock options"

    Bob.
  • Metallica could use this business model by not_cub (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:25AM
  • Re:.. by Score 0 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:54AM
  • its a cheaper deal for Sega by schatten (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:25AM
  • thats normal by ArchieBunker (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:26AM
  • Precedent....almost by Ralph Wiggam (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:27AM
  • BullSh*t! by Benjamin Shniper (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:30AM
  • Even if it was true by jfedor (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:10AM
  • Stock Options by Delboy (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @11:16AM
  • how can you even believe any of this.. by Suppafly (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @12:01PM
  • I heard Kalisto is working with Microsoft.. by mr_gerbik (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @12:08PM
  • Re:.. by rkeefe (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @12:43PM
  • I'm interested in warez by Phallus (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @12:45PM
  • Re:DC vs. PS2 by yerricde (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @12:52PM
  • Stock options eh? by andykrynn (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @03:22PM
  • BullSh*t! by Benjamin Shniper (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:30AM
  • Sounds bogus but... by sterno (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:32AM
  • DC vs. PS2 by yerricde (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:32AM
  • link crashes netscape by XaXXon (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:32AM
  • The knights who say "Nih!" by franksbiyatch (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:32AM
  • Re:Editorial review by SgtPepper (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:33AM
  • Re:Please, it's not real. by Pharaoh_B (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:13AM
  • Re:shouldn't by Eric Gibson (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:13AM
  • Uhm, riiiiight. by Erik Fish (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:34AM
  • Re:I am very skeptical about all this by toast- (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:36AM
  • Kalisto has a long history... by aderusha (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:14AM
  • Is this an attempt to get options out of Sony?? by candiid (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:15AM
  • Re:Not a bad idea by mindstrm (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:16AM
  • Re: stop option? by Frizzle Fry (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:17AM
  • There is NO way this is true... by Majestik (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:52AM
  • Re: stop option? by jbridge21 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:53AM
  • What the hell is an ISO? by alacrityfitzhugh (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @03:35PM
  • Re:DC vs. PS2 by Phil Wilkins (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @03:54PM
  • It's cheaper than lawyers by Blackwulf (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:53AM
  • Are You Sure? by Redking (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:27PM
  • This is just a joke by Hougaard (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:54AM
  • Re:I heard Kalisto is working with Microsoft.. by inkey string (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:04PM
  • Re:Are You Sure? by toast- (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @07:39PM
  • The Cute Irony is... by NeuroManson (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @10:01PM
  • Re:.. by Fishstick (Score:2) Friday September 08 2000, @09:31AM
  • (OT)Which is why I use w3m. by yerricde (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:37AM
  • Re:Editorial review by Misch (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:38AM
  • Fake. by drwiii (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:39AM
  • Right by Bender Unit 22 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:39AM
  • Re:hire them! (Score:3)

    by .pentai. (37595) on Thursday September 07 2000, @05:40AM (#798842) Homepage
    GDRoms are just more "dense" that CDroms, and can be read by a standard cdrom with some modifications. And, they didn't make the boot disk OR figure out how to rip the GDroms, they took someone elses work, called it there own, and tried to play it off and claimed others stole it from them.

    Wow, with those skills, maybe they SHOULD work for a corporation.
  • Re:This is just a joke by GigsVT (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:40AM
  • (OT)K5 does this. by yerricde (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:41AM
  • Re:Sounds bogus but... by rarose (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:18AM
  • Hey. (Score:3)

    by mindstrm (20013) on Thursday September 07 2000, @06:19AM (#798846)
    Just a thought.. but..
    Couldn't Sega be doing this?

    1) Offer them all stock options.
    2) This means they all have to sign contracts, and be *identified*. (You can't anonymously get options, I don't think).
    3) Now, Sega is legally bound to give them these options; however....
    4) Now Sega knows who each and every member is, so they can proceed to sue them for copyright infringement *anyway*!

    Hypothetically.. the fact that sega would agree to pay them to stop is not the same as saying sega is not going to press charges for their past actions.
  • here's the .nfo by Mean_Mr_Moustache (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:50AM
  • Re:Euro Sinks Again by kermit the fraud (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:51AM
  • Re:I am very skeptical about all this by update() (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:21AM
  • Re:hire them! (Score:3)

    by Frizzle Fry (149026) on Thursday September 07 2000, @06:24AM (#798850) Homepage
    they took someone elses work, called it there own, and tried to play it off and claimed others stole it from them.

    Huh, imagine that. Pirates trying to benefit from someone else's work.

    Care about freedom?

  • Re:Not a bad idea by Taco Prophet (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:26AM
  • Consider This... by Nater (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:28AM
  • Re:This is just a joke by BrK (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:29AM
  • Re:I can see it now by kc0dxh (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:54AM
  • Interesting approach by A_Roche (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:55AM
  • How To Make Money: The Lazy Man's Guide by KingJawa (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:55AM
  • hire them! (Score:5)

    by eries (71365) <slashdot-eric.sneakemail@com> on Thursday September 07 2000, @04:56AM (#798857) Homepage
    Have you guys seen the specs on how these games were ripped? Dreamcast GD-ROMs are supposed to be incompatible with CDRs a hundred different ways. For one, they hold more data. These hackers managed to rip the games, edit them down to CD-size and then create a boot disk for the dreamcast that disables all the country-code checking. These are some serious 3l33t HaX0rZ. Sega should hire them immediately. Hell, maybe even pay them to start whacking the PSX2 :)
  • Good move... by HiQ (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:56AM
  • Stock Options by e-matt (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:56AM
  • The rationale: by FascDot Killed My Pr (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:58AM
  • Re:shouldn't (Score:3)

    by Mechno (181128) on Thursday September 07 2000, @04:58AM (#798861) Homepage
    heh heh, this story is not actually true. The person who writes the .NFO files for Kalisto is leaving the group and played a prank. That's the story.
  • Talk about your urban legends! by Travoltus (Score:2) Friday September 08 2000, @11:53PM
  • Re:What the hell is an ISO? by iMoron (Score:2) Saturday September 09 2000, @08:32AM
  • It *was* that way once by Zerothis (Score:1) Saturday September 09 2000, @06:57PM
  • what is it worth by snoogans (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:34AM
  • Is it April 1st? by Ergo2000 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:41AM
  • Malda, What the hell are you smoking? by Watts (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:43AM
  • Re:not emulators by Jack9 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:44AM
  • Re:Kalisto has a long history... by Watts (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:46AM
  • They were tricked! by webslacker (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:47AM
  • Re:hire them! by Jack9 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:48AM
  • Communicator 4.51 on Windows dies as well by brokeninside (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:49AM
  • stupid people with their stupid lame rumors by 2MuchC0ffeeMan (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @06:53AM
  • Taco has lost his mind by bguilliams (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @04:59AM
  • If it's unconfirmed why post it? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:01AM
  • Assuming this is true... by milkman1 (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:01AM
  • Re:There is NO way this is true... by AbbyNormal (Score:2) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:02AM
  • Paying off pirates? by not_cub (Score:1) Thursday September 07 2000, @05:02AM
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