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Playing Nintendo Causes Blisters?

Posted by Roblimo on Thu Mar 09, 2000 12:31 AM
from the evidence-that-gaming-is-bad-bad-bad dept.
drxenon writes, "In this story on AltaVista Live, the real truth about those hand injuries is made known. Nintendo is offering up to $80 million (US) worth of gloves for buyers of the "Mario Party" Nintendo64 game. Over 90 complaints have been filed concerning blisters, cuts, and other hand injuries!" The article gives info on how to get *your* gloves. If you're a Nintendo user, go for it!
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  • XKoules by alehmann (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:33PM
  • blisters by Khopesh (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:33PM
  • In related news... (Score:3)

    by Shoeboy (16224) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:33PM (#1216116) Homepage
    I'm suing the operators of www.footfetish.com if they fail to provide me with vaseline and kleenex.
    -Shoeboy
  • Only Mario Party? by iAlex (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:37PM
  • Re:In related news... by Shoeboy (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:37PM
  • Hah! (Score:3)

    by BJH (11355) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:37PM (#1216120)

    I got my first gaming blisters from Gorf (the Commodore VIC-20 cartridge version) because of the stupid positioning of the fire button on the Commodore joysticks. I never even thought of suing Commodore or anyone else because of that.

    Quite frankly, if you're playing a game enough to get blisters, you have way too much free time on your hands. Suing somebody for that is just frivolous.
  • by Nastard (124180) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:38PM (#1216121)
    ...I'm still waiting for ID Games to reimburse me for lost wages after I got fired for playing Quake 3 Arena too much.

  • Screen shot for Mario Party? by fluffball (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:38PM
  • Re:In related news... by Baca (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:39PM
  • My worst videogame injury by chroma (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:39PM
  • THUMB! not palm! by Khopesh (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:39PM
  • What? by pb (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:41PM
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:41PM (#1216127)

    Point here
    Click there
    Reply in the little box

    After years of Slashdot usage, I've notices that I've developed not only blisters and hand cramps, but also a bad case of schizophrenic paranoia.

    I'm suing RobLimo for wrist guards, gloves, and electroshock (some of which I'll share with him). I 0wn you, Robin. I've been stalking you since your Pathfinder days, and I don't expect to stop.
  • The times they are a changin' by MrEd (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:42PM
  • Well, it's a start... by DragoonAK (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:42PM
  • Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:43PM
  • Hah to you! by Khopesh (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:43PM
  • Class Action by Byteme (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:45PM
  • blisters? by linux_penguin (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:48PM
  • More info (Score:3)

    by Mike Schiraldi (18296) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:50PM (#1216139) Homepage Journal
    A lot more information on this can be found at http://www.oag.state.ny.us/p ress/2000/mar/mar08a_00.html [state.ny.us], the state Attorney General's page on the matter.
  • The correct link to the Attorney General's website by Wycliffe (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:50PM
  • Street Fighter... by Haven (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:50PM
  • uh oh by jetfire (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:51PM
  • Try reading the article sometime. by casret (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:53PM
  • what kind of gloves by JayBonci (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:53PM
  • This is nothing new. by Wycliffe (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:54PM
  • Seriously, tho by schmeel (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @07:54PM
  • Info from hotline (Score:5)

    by Mike Schiraldi (18296) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:02PM (#1216148) Homepage Journal
    I called the glove hotline, and it said these were just off-the-shelf sporting-goods-store gloves, no nintendo logo or anything.

    Also, they seem to only want to send one glove. (They ask you to specify whether you want left or right) Maybe they'll send up to four gloves, but only one in each size / orientation.

    You need to send them one of the following:
    • A receipt for the game
    • A credit card statement showing a purchase of the game
    • A cancelled check for the game
    • The UPC code, cut out of the side of the box
    • The first page of the instruction booklet
    • A photo of the cartridge
    • A photo of your TV, with the game onscreen.
    Also, they need an outline of the player's hand, traced on white paper, so they know what size.

    Since it's just an ordinary glove, and they're being pretty generous, please don't screw them over.
  • "Nintendo Thumb." by Murmer (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:02PM
  • Re:Seriously, tho by Wycliffe (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:03PM
  • Re:In related news... by spazimodo (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:03PM
  • by mikeylebeau (68519) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:05PM (#1216152) Homepage
    So if Nintendo has to supply gloves to those whose hands are damaged through excessive Mario Partying, should the tobacco companies be paying for the health care of those dying from lung cancer through smoking, etc?
  • Re:THUMB! not palm! by tbarjoe (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:07PM
  • by Xenex (97062) <xenex@nosPAM.opinionstick.com> on Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:09PM (#1216155) Homepage Journal
    The problem with the Mario Party games is the fact that in some of the mini-games the N64's analogue control stick needs to be quickly rotated. Some gamers go about this by using their palm on the top of the stick, instead of their thumb as ALL of Nintendo's documentation suggests.

    I have played the game a bit, and I personnally use my thumb most of the time, however when I do use my palm, my IQ kicks in and i SIMPLY DON'T PRESS HARD! My younger cousins (ie: under 12) have problems with this, and sometimes get blisters. I have taught them to use their thumbs, or press softly... problem gone!

    Companies should not be held accountable for product misuse. This is like blaiming soda bulbs for children's deaths (they are for drinks, not for rockets.) This sounds like a Geeks in Space awhile back:

    Something like this (off the top of my head):

    CowboyNeal: Once I was injured by a Microsoft Natural Keyboard
    CmdrTaco (I think): Dude, that doesn't count when your mom wraps it round your neck...

    They then talk about the time he got his hair caught in an IntelliMouse :)

    But, would this be M$'s? fault? Of course not! Why blaim Nintendo for stupidity, or a lack of parental supervision?

    Stupidity should not be allowed to rule the day.
  • Fingerless gloves?? by theLime (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:10PM
  • Re:The times they are a changin' by Flerg (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:10PM
  • Re:Seriously, tho by jimmyCarter (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:11PM
  • hahaha (Score:4)

    by Frac (27516) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:13PM (#1216162)
    I guess it's Nintendo's fault that people are playing so much video games that they have blisters. that's like Gun makers offering free bulletproof vests for those who keep getting hurt from shooting themselves...
  • Basic premise by emad (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:16PM
  • Re:THUMB! not palm! by Shanep (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:27PM
  • new york's finest (Score:3)

    by unc_onnected (6084) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:28PM (#1216169)
    if you read the article it points out that the glove giveaway is because the ny state attorney general investigated it.

    boy, doesn't that make you feel so much safer?

    now that you wont get injured by playing nintendo 24-7, youll never have to go outside and risk being perforated by triggerhappy plainclothes police officers with automatic pistols.

    if you really want a laugh, dial the 800 number

    1-800-521-0900

    and listen to the safety warning. i fell out of my chair laughing. sample:

    some individuals may experience skin irritation, including blisters and/or damage to the control stick if they rotate the control stick with the palm of your hand. nintendo recommends that you rotate the control stick with your thumb or holding it between your thumb and forefinger. if neither of these methods work for you, and you would still prefer to use your palm to rotate the control stick, nintendo will send you a glove upon receipt of acceptable proof of ownership...

    you need to send proof of purchase + an outline of your hand, "so that nintendo can determine the size of the glove to send and whether it should be for the right or left hand". proof of purchase can even be a picture of the game or a picture of a tv screen running the game. shipping in 4-6 weeks.

    this kind of stuff boggles the mind.

    unc_
  • Re:What? by jblackman (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:31PM
  • Re:Hah! by Alkaiser (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:31PM
  • *sigh* back in the day! by CAIMLAS (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:31PM
  • Re:NES Track & Field - Hammer Throw by misterklaw (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:32PM
  • This actually happened to me. by jcorgan (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:33PM
  • by lapdog (73128) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:36PM (#1216175) Homepage

    Many people seem to be implying with their posts that Nintendo shouldn't be responsible for people hurting themselves from playing too much. This isn't exactly the case. For those who don't play Mario Party, here's how it works:

    The game is kind-of-like a board game. The object is to get as many stars as possible. The person with the most stars at the end is the "Super Star". Stars cost money, and at the end of every turn, the players play a [semi]random mini-game in competition for coins. The hand devastation comes from some minigames where the way you win is by rotating the analog stick as fast as you can. (Games like tug-of-war and pattle battle). Nintendo put grips into the tops of their analog sticks so that it would be easier to make fine controls in games like Mario World, which is really just shortsided on their part, thinking that all that stick would be good for is meneuvering in a 3D enviornment.

    Anyway, after playing even one of these minigames where the object is to rotate the stick, your hand is raw. In most minigames, this is not the objective, but they are frequent enough that by the end of the whole game, you are in some serious pain (even though you had a great time).

    This is probably one of the most fun nintendo games there is. Its designed for 4 players at a time, everyone can see the whole screen all the time (no split screen [ala any first person shooter or any racing game] where you get some small fraction of an already small screen), and no one can become a "master" and just make the game uninteresting for everyone else. Rent it and call some friends over. Then get some free Nintendo brand gloves too =].

    This free glove thing is just a little late. They recently released Mario Party 2 (more of the same thing with some nice new stuff and more games), where all of the stick-rotating minigames have been removed.
    Upside: At least Nintendo listens to their customers and tries hard to put good stuff in the box, unlike some broken, rushed-to-market, DVD, Internet, Stereo, do-everything-else-in-the-known-universe-for-under -$500, fit-video-games-somewhere-in-there machines.

    Dave

  • Re:Tobacco Companies.. Same Responsibility? by GriffX (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:41PM
  • Re:What? by pb (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:44PM
  • Re:Info from hotline by Nastard (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:45PM
  • Doom-Claw by Coins (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:47PM
  • by Shaheen (313) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:50PM (#1216182) Homepage
    "Muwahahahaha... My games are so addictive they cause injuries to the players! I have finally reached my goal after all these years!"
  • Dumb move Nintendo (Score:4)

    by garver (30881) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:51PM (#1216183)

    Can we say "Class Action Law Suit"?

    Legally, this may translate to an admittance of guilt on Nintendo's part. Then, they will be open for attack from users who have had more serious problems (carpal tunnel syndrome, addiction, insomnia, etc.) with any of their products. Even if these lawsuits all fail, the legal fees could get racked up quickly.

  • Game Design Haiku (Score:5)

    by drivers (45076) on Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:52PM (#1216185)
    object of the game
    rotate joystick rapidly
    makes quake look like chess
  • hey this really happens by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @08:58PM
  • Re:My worst videogame injury by Kimble (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:00PM
  • Re:The times they are a changin' by Xenex (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:00PM
  • This is so stupid! by dbryson (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:03PM
  • Re:Fingerless gloves?? by Xenex (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:07PM
  • Re:Seriously, tho by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:08PM
  • Re:That's great, but... by luddgrl (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:18PM
  • blister this by kophee (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:19PM
  • Re:Hah! by BJH (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:32PM
  • Re:Hah to you! by BJH (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:34PM
  • Re:This is so stupid! by DigiBlitz (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:40PM
  • $75.000? by dimator (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:43PM
  • Re:*sigh* back in the day! by BJH (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:46PM
  • Re:What? by cpt kangarooski (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @09:54PM
  • Re:Info from hotline by god_of_the_machine (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @10:28PM
  • This makes me weep for the days of old by yuriwho (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @10:35PM
  • Me TOO!! by Ice_Hole (Score:2) Wednesday March 08 2000, @10:38PM
  • Re:Activision Decathlon for Atari 2600 by luckykaa (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @10:38PM
  • Re:What? by Zen (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @10:44PM
  • Re:*sigh* back in the day! by Rendus (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @10:48PM
  • Big loser moderator by Nicolas MONNET (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @11:10PM
  • Universal Warning Label (UWL) by gunner800 (Score:1) Wednesday March 08 2000, @11:20PM
  • Re:Seriously, tho by cgadd (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @12:05AM
  • huh! by chrischow (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @12:10AM
  • Re:blisters? by Bill Gates (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @12:14AM
  • Re:Info from hotline by Bill Gates (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @12:20AM
  • Serious point - RSI can actually kill you. by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @12:24AM
  • Re:Seriously, tho by -brazil- (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @12:44AM
  • Sounds familiar... by Denny (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @12:52AM
  • Blister are nothing.. by raynet (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @12:57AM
  • Re:For those who don't party by m3000 (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @01:36AM
  • Re:Universal Warning Label (UWL) by Lazy Jones (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @02:21AM
  • Isn't this what... by Thrakkerzog (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @02:26AM
  • Back in the good ol' days... by Megane (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @02:44AM
  • Re:The times they are a changin' by JatTDB (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @02:50AM
  • Re:Seriously, tho by chez69 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @02:59AM
  • Re:Seriously, tho by Wdomburg (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @03:00AM
  • by bjb (3050) on Thursday March 09 2000, @03:44AM (#1216233) Homepage
    This is obviously a total marketing ploy, but hey. Why didn't they pay me off sooner? Let's look at some "fantastic" game controllers of the past 25 years..

    • Odyssey2: Large sticks that looked and felt analog but were actually digital. One fire button (oh, I mean 'action' button). Threw my wrist out slinging that stick back and forth with K.C. Munchkin.
    • Atari 2600: Classic controllers, but caused nice blisters on my left hand (holding the base). Had a tendency to cause you to strengthen your stick hand since they had so much give past their digital switch.
    • Intellivision: Shoot the person who came up with this controller. If you didn't get some kind of stress injury trying to press those tiny damn fire buttons on the sides of the controllers while trying to press the number pad (through an overlay) while trying to fiddle with that disc "joystick" that rotated for no electrical reason.. still, had the best football and baseball games to date.
    • Colecovision: Shoot this person, too. Only really got blisters on my right hand since it cupped the "joystick mushroom" or whatever the heck you want to call that thing. They got it right when they created the Super Action Controllers which felt like holding a Sabre sword. If the games weren't so damn good (at the time), then I think there would have been ritual destructions of these controllers.
    • Vectrex: Someone was trying to get it right here, but the size was all screwed up. Wouldn't mind stuffing Macintosh guts in this thing, though.
    • Coleco Gemini (2600 clone): Had to mention this, because this was a ridiculous controller; half joystick, half paddle. Not too many injuries with this, but the controller felt cheap enough that it probably should have been paid by some of us.
    • Atari 5200: Another casualty like with the Intellivision; who put those fire buttons there? I think I busted a few fingers with those.
    • Nintendo Entertainment System: The bread winner; THESE people actually thought this was a decent controller? HA! The first time I actually considered permanent physical damage was after playing with these controllers. Sure, they were familiar to people who used to play with the old Nintendo LCD handheld games, but who ever said those were good controllers in the first place? Nintendo should have been paying us back then. I figure they're about 15 years late on this one..
    • Sega Master System: Someone was smoking Nintendo's crack, but figured they could make it even more annoying by putting a screw thread in the middle of the 'joy-whatever' so that you could screw in a little stick "to make it a real joystick". HA! Injuries by the dozens here, I'm sure.
    • TurboGrafix 16: No comment.
    • Sega Genesis: The crack is getting better.
    • Super Nintendo: The dawning of the age of the complex controller. Injuries are not just happening as a result of stupidly designed controllers, but now you've got 45 buttons to memorize.
    • Sony Playstation: Another multi-button wonder. Fingers hurting yet?
    • Nintendo 64: What the hell is that joystick doing there? See article for this thread.

    Ok, a bit of a rant, but the point comes down to that I think after using all of these systems, Atari, Magnavox, Coleco, Nintendo, Sega, Sony, Bally, etc. all owe me a buttload of money for the hand problems I have today. I did have a lot of fun with them over the years, but please.. who the heck designs controllers? Whatever..

    --

  • Re:For those who don't party by ronfar (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @03:46AM
  • Re:Activision Decathlon for Atari 2600 by mmaddox (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @03:49AM
  • Re:Tobacco Companies.. Same Responsibility? by GnomeAttic (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @03:57AM
  • Re:Shigeru Miyamoto says.... by dingbat_hp (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @04:12AM
  • surfing the net by krambeck (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @04:16AM
  • Doctor by Samus (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @04:23AM
  • Re:THUMB! not palm! by BilldaCat (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @04:40AM
  • Re:Hah! by gp.Delux (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @04:46AM
  • Blisters! by Tom7 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @04:57AM
  • Re:That's great, but... by regen (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @05:05AM
  • Re:Sounds familiar... by Tayknight (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @05:05AM
  • Kids today require suits of armor by RedX (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @05:11AM
  • Re:Dumb move Nintendo by Lord Omlette (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @05:14AM
  • An Olympic Games games for Nintendo by jued0001 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @05:40AM
  • Ooops by jued0001 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @05:43AM
  • Re:Hah! by Alkaiser (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @06:11AM
  • Re:What? by noomkrad96 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @06:12AM
  • Re:Back in the good ol' days... by milph (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @06:13AM
  • cursed soft kids! by elph- (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @06:14AM
  • This HELPS Nintendo by laborit (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @06:18AM
  • Re:That's great, but... by JonnyRotten (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @06:26AM
  • Re:THUMB! not palm! by Rodge2 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @06:42AM
  • games and injuries by gedanken (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @06:45AM
  • Re:Brief History of Game Controllers and Injuries by sjx (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @07:08AM
  • *hehehe* by Chris Johnson (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @07:26AM
  • Re:Tobacco Companies.. Same Responsibility? by Indomitus (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @07:26AM
  • You've got it backwards. by Chris Johnson (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @07:38AM
  • Re:Tobacco Companies.. Same Responsibility? by Bucket58 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @07:45AM
  • Web site by geeKing (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @08:27AM
  • Oh, come on... by Script Kiddie (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @08:59AM
  • Re:Tobacco Companies.. Same Responsibility? by Indomitus (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @08:59AM
  • Re:Accountable for stupidity by grahamwest (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @09:00AM
  • Re:Oh, come on... by Script Kiddie (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @09:02AM
  • The Great Glove Conspiracy? by BigJimSlade (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @09:08AM
  • Re:Tobacco Companies.. Same Responsibility? by Bucket58 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @09:48AM
  • Nintendo causes blisters,gloves cause swetty hands by Hackshop (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @09:50AM
  • Nintendo cant be held responsible? by menaced! (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @09:51AM
  • Re:Dumb move Nintendo by Tetsujin28 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @10:37AM
  • Re:Dumb move Nintendo by Tetsujin28 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @10:59AM
  • Re:That's great, but... by Cogent (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @11:02AM
  • Re:In related news... by Ig0r (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @11:14AM
  • Calluses by mostaphalles (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @11:25AM
  • California Games by hisame (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @12:10PM
  • Yes, and masturbating too much causes blindness. by RAruler (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @01:10PM
  • Re:Only Mario Party? by L-Train8 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @01:15PM
  • Re:Sounds familiar... by Funky Green Alien (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @02:28PM
  • Re:Tobacco Companies.. Same Responsibility? by Indomitus (Score:2) Thursday March 09 2000, @02:43PM
  • That's odd by kish Ag (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @02:51PM
  • Re:Hah! by kish Ag (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @03:15PM
  • Re:*hehehe* by elph- (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @04:25PM
  • Grumpy Old Man by ppanon (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @04:34PM
  • Re:Brief History of Game Controllers and Injuries by dsmith299 (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @05:18PM
  • Re:*sigh* back in the day! by _outcat_ (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @07:50PM
  • Re:Tobacco Companies.. Same Responsibility? by Savarak (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @07:55PM
  • End of the world! by _outcat_ (Score:1) Thursday March 09 2000, @08:24PM
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