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Posted by Roblimo on Sunday October 24, @11:17AM ESTfrom the everybody-loves-somebody-sometime dept.
"How do I find a woman like her?" I often get asked this question by young computer dudes who meet my lovely wife, Debbie, and wonder how an old ugly guy like me managed to get hold of such a wonderful woman while smarter, studlier young guys (like them) seem to strike out with every female they meet. These lonely youngsters all seem to think I must have a set of magic rules for attracting females. And guess what? I do. Click "Read More" and I'll share them with you.
Don't Waste Your Time on Geek Girls
Here you are, an obsessed coder and all that, spending 2/3 of your waking time online and clicking on Slashdot five times a day. Wouldn't it be nice if you could find a woman who shares your interests?
No!
A woman just like you wouldn't be there for you when you wanted a hug. She'd be obsessively coding or posting on Slashdot herself, and would brush you off when you needed her. What you really want is a woman who will be there for you when you get tired of staring at your monitor and need some loving, but will leave you alone and not demand your attention when you're busy. You don't want a Geek Girl. You want a woman who is willing and able to meet a geek's needs, which is not the same thing at all.
Men involved in activities that demand long periods of intense concentration (programmers, artists, writers, musicians, etc.) need women who will respect what they do and help them do it well, not women who compete with them.
We need what are now called "old fashioned girls" who don't mind cooking our meals, rubbing our sore shoulders, and running our bath water for us. There are plenty of these women out there. They're as eager to find you as you are to find them. The trick is sorting through the 6 billion people on this planet to find the woman who is right for you instead of wasting your time on women with whom you cannot possibly build a long-term, mutually beneficial relationship.
Forget the Girls in Playboy
The silicone-enhanced babes you see posing in skin mags and on porn Web sites aren't interested in you. Neither are the blondies you see hanging on football players' arms, and even if one of them suddenly decides you'd be a nice change after the other men she's had in her life, you'll probably be disappointed with her.
I've gone out with more than a few "hot babes" in my time (I wasn't always married) and I generally found them to be more trouble than they were worth. Women who look great aren't necessarily good in bed, and those who have learned how to use their looks as a tool to manipulate men will almost always make your life miserable in the long run. If nothing else, they're expensive. Do you have any idea how much someone like Pamela Anderson spends on clothes, makeup, and cosmetic surgery every year? Trust me: it's more than you can afford unless you're a rock star or the CEO of Oracle (Hi, Larry!), and even then it's more than she's probably worth.
When you take off their clothes and their makeup, many "hot" women are really rather plain. The trick is to find a woman who doesn't spend a lot of time and money cuting herself up, but is pleasant to hold once all the packaging is removed. She'll be more likely to want some cuddling than the vain ones, and, unlike them, will concentrate on loving you instead of worrying about getting her hair messed up.
Practical hint: ever notice how, at a dance or in a bar, 90% of the men try to glom on to 10% of the women? Be smarter than those guys! Pay attention to the women who look nice but unspectacular and are being ignored because they aren't perfectly dressed or made up. The best software usually doesn't come in the fanciest box, right? The same goes for girls.
It's Okay to be Tongue-Tied
Don't worry about other men being "smooth talkers" while you're not. Many, possibly most, of your male ancestors were even less verbal than you, but they still managed to reproduce. (See your mirror for evidence.) Women don't always choose men based on slick opening lines. Indeed, many women tend to be put off by prepared "seduction" speeches, and prefer an honest, if slightly tongue-tied, guy to one who who comes across as having practiced pickup lines for hours on end.
And your clothes don't make all that much difference to women as long as they're appropriate for the time and place. Be clean and neat. That's all you need.
A woman who is only interested in your designer outfits is not only likely to be too shallow for you, but may also be interested in seeing you only in your fancy clothes, not out of them. This is not the right woman for you!
There's More to Life Than Computing
The biggest mistake I see computer-obsessed men make when getting to know women is to talk about nothing but computer stuff all the time. My wife uses her computer all day long as a working tool, but neither knows nor cares what kind of NIC (a 3Com) or how much RAM (64 MB) it has inside. If I want to discuss PC hardware I do it with male friends, not with my wife.
The best way to handle a conversation with a woman, especially one you've just met, is to find out what interests her. Ask her questions! Not whether she likes to be tied to the bed with ribbons and have her tummy tongue-tickled (at least not on a first date) but about her hopes and dreams in life, favorite TV shows, and other general interest things like that. Work and school are usually safe conversational starting points.
You've heard this before, but body language is more important than your words. So look at the girl! I mean her eyes, not her breasts. Don't cross your arms and legs as though you're trying to protect yourself from her. If you want to touch her arm, and she's close, go ahead. Maybe she'll touch you back. If your touch wasn't overly intrusive, returning it will be a natural, almost instinctive, reaction on her part.
You're a little shy and awkward? No big deal. She may be just as shy as you are. Don't push her. If she finds you at all attractive, she'll find subtle ways to be close to you without making it look as if she's being pushy.
And if the girl finds you unattractive, she'll let you know that, too (so you can dump her before you get too serious). Paying attention is the key to picking up the signals either way. If you're having trouble understanding the lady's vibes, ask questions! All females come with HOWTOs. Verbal ones. Ask them questions like, "Does this feel good?" and they'll answer. They also like honest compliments, so if you touch the back of her hand and it makes you feel all warm inside, go ahead and say, "Touching the back of your hand makes me feel all warm inside."
That's certainly a lot classier than, "You got nice boobs," which is a statement virtually guaranteed to put off almost any woman who isn't selling her body for drug money.
In other words, you don't have to be slick with women, but being stupid or crude with them gets you nowhere. (Unless you like stupid, crude women.)
Teenagers Take Heart: It Gets Better
All teenage boys are idiots when it comes to girls. And teenage girls are idiots when it comes to boys. The girls who laugh at you in high school laugh because they're nervous and, if you're exceptionally bright, posibly because they're a little bit scared of you. Sooner or later those same girls will get over their stupid crushes on Ricky Martin (in my time it was Ringo Starr), and other unreachable figures, and decide to look seriously at guys like you. This change generally comes between the ages of 18 and 25. Meanwhile, you may have matured a bit yourself by then, so that when the ditzy girls of today turn into tomorrow's adult women, you will no longer look or act like the dork they thought you were in high school
One warning: be gracious, not obnoxious, to girls you find ugly at the age of 15 or 16. There was a girl named Jessica who had a slight crush on me in high school for some unkown reason. She had horrible acne, bad posture, braces, ugly glasses, and wore tacky, faded dresses. She was also a straight-A student -- and slightly arrogant about it. I was not nice to this girl. Hardly anyone was -- except a very ordinary, slightly geeky guy named Mike.
At 18, Jessica suddenly changed. It was like a movie makeover. She got new glasses and the braces came off. She got a better wardrobe, her acne cleared up, and she stopped being stuck-up about her academic achievements. And she grew ... breasts. She took longer than most to develop in the chest department, but the results were worth waiting for. You know the rest of the story. It was Mike all the way. I'd blown my chance by being a jerk. I still have a flat spot on my forehead from banging it against the wall over Jessica.
Women Are More Complicated than Computers
I think this is why so many guys hide their heads in their monitors instead of going out and meeting women. Understanding women is harder than figuring out the hardest computer game, harder even than setting up a secure 200-client network running *BSD. But women can offer more satisfaction than even an overclocked, dual-Celeron workstation, so learning how to deal with them is worth the extra effort.
I believe the greatest frustration about women for men who are used to dealing with Open Source software is that you cannot fix flaws you find in them. You pretty much have no choice but to take them the way they are. For example, my wife likes to redecorate frequently, which sometimes annoys me, but I've learned to shrug my shoulders and call this part of her personality a feature, not a bug, and to accept it with the same good grace with which I accept a certain respected coworker's unique approach to the English language.
But I take pride in the fact that I am just as much of a mystery to my wife as she is to me, and that she can't change my source code any more than I can change hers.
Perhaps this is the true secret of finding a woman to love: knowing that there is no such thing as a perfect female, but that a woman worth loving is worth loving in spite of her imperfections, just as you are worth loving in spite of your imperfections -- to at least one woman in this world, who is probably sitting alone right now, wishing she could find a fine, brilliant (if slightly shy) man like you to fill that big, empty spot in her life.
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| Hah! (Score:1) by Foogle (foogle@adelphia.net) on Sunday October 24, @11:21AM EST (#1) (User Info) |
| This is awesome! It's so true, and yet we see others (and ourselves) doing stupid things like talking to would-be-girlfriends about our new monitor all the time. If anyone outside geekdom read this they probably wouldn't believe it, but jeez, it's so true. ----------- "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding." |
| Re:Hah! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @07:21PM EST (#417) |
This is awesome! It's so true, and yet we see others (and ourselves) doing stupid things like talking to would-be-girlfriends about our new monitor all the time. If anyone outside geekdom read this they probably wouldn't believe it, but jeez, it's so true. True. If we spent less time finding bugs, and more time finding the clitoris, we'ld be very happy geeks indeed. |
| Re:Hah! (Score:1) by Foogle (foogle@adelphia.net) on Sunday October 24, @08:14PM EST (#441) (User Info) |
| And if only I had a number of bugs equal to the amount of clitoris I get... Then the geek in me would be all set :) ----------- "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding." |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:1) by lilo (lilo@everywhere) on Sunday October 24, @12:25PM EST (#97) (User Info) |
e need what are now called "old fashioned girls" who don't mind cooking our meals, rubbing our sore shoulders, and running our bath water for us. The only women who will do this are Christian, and you know about them. Yuck! Remember, you're pro-choice, you support the UN for peace, you voted for Clinton and now Gore, you care about education, the environment, and the children.There are a lot of assumptions in your comments. Most of them need a reality check. (1) All politics occurs in the United States. Most of your comments above have little to do with the rest of the world's politics, even if you shave off the serial numbers and pretend that a 'social democrat' in Europe is the 'same' as a 'liberal' in the U.S. With that in mind, I guess I had better address your fairly limited concerns, i.e., U.S. politics and relationships. 8) (2) All geeks are stereotypical liberals. Uh, not so. There are lots of libertarians and anarchists and even right-wingers, both the religious and non-religious variety (eh, you didn't notice some right-wingers are not religious?). (2) The female population is divided into right-wing Christians and left-wing feminists. Erm? If you're not listening to people's political beliefs because they are female, you might be having trouble getting second dates. There is as much variety in women's political viewpoints as men's. But see #1 above. ;) (3) All left-wing women are feminists. This seems intuitive too, but the reality is hardly so simple and stereotypical. Plenty of women who believe in social justice stay home to raise their children. Ask around, somewhere outside of the boundaries of places like Bezerkeley. ;) As a propertarian anarchist who is quite happily married to a libertarian with left-leanings who has a social conscience and is staying home to take care of our child, I can tell you that the world is not as simple a place as you think. ;) Oh, and neither of us is a Christian. ;) |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:1) by PeeOnYou on Sunday October 24, @07:46PM EST (#431) (User Info) |
| This is where I'd draw the line. *** gets on soapbox ***. This is only an article. No one said it was the complete truth and fact of life. It was created by a human ( I think anyways.. ) and therefore has much OPINION in it. Don't get your panties in a twist. *** gets off soapbox *** |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @07:38PM EST (#711) |
| I take issue with the above: 3) All left-wing women are feminists. This seems intuitive too, but the reality is hardly so simple and stereotypical. Plenty of women who believe in social justice stay home to raise their children. You can be a feminist and still choose to stay home. Really, you can. However, many stay-at-home feminists do not wish to be told what to do, nor do they wish to be told that raising children is an inferior avocation, etc. etc. I really can't see how the feminist-->corporate dweller link got into anyone's head in this day and age, but..... |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:28PM EST (#100) |
| Jeez, come off the leftist high horse. I bet you believe Al Gore really DID invent the internet right? Hysterics like your unintelligble logic process is what drive others to vote on the right. |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:2, Insightful) by Dr. Zim on Sunday October 24, @02:43PM EST (#270) (User Info) http://www.z-space.net/~zim |
| My wife is neither christian nor particularly politcal, but honestly cares about my happiness (a.k.a. love). I beleive it's for love alone that she takes the time to see my vitamins are set on my keyboard every morning, that there is an apple in my briefcase and that she comes down to my basement workshop just to see if I want a cup of coffee. It is love, not christianity, that prompts her to come by the office with an umbrella because it started to rain after I left home. Conversly, it is for love alone that I partake in a number of activities that hold no interest for me other than, 'It makes her happy'. Most of my male friends are slashdot readers. Every one of our wives (except for the single guys, of course) are different women with different world views and opinions, even different racial backgrounds and religions. The 'old fashioned' thread that ties them all together is each has a vested interest in the happiness of their spouse. I think that's the 'old fashioned' value Rob was talking about here, not religion or politics. If that mutual respect for another's happiness isn't there, no common belief is going to keep a couple together. I won't even try to define the average slashdot reader, but I doubt too many guys would have much trouble putting up with someone who cares about their well-being, be they christian, communist, or otherwise. |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:16PM EST (#321) |
| My god man! Your wife does all that? I really need to get married. |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @11:30AM EST (#680) |
My wife is neither christian nor particularly politcal, but honestly cares about my happiness (a.k.a. love). I beleive it's for love alone that she takes the time to see my vitamins are set on my keyboard every morning, that there is an apple in my briefcase and that she comes down to my basement workshop just to see if I want a cup of coffee. It is love, not christianity, that prompts her to come by the office with an umbrella because it started to rain after I left home. Conversly, it is for love alone that I partake in a number of activities that hold no interest for me other than, 'It makes her happy'. Want more: Remind me to sleep after 3 am (she stays awake just to remind me, even though she's really tired.) Taking care of my 2 years old monster-like little son, while holding my 2 months old ever crying son. Make my breakfast before I wake up. Drive me to the subway station. Drive me home when I get off from work. Make my dinner. Make my lunch. Do laundry. Do dish-washing. Remind me to take medicine on time when I am sick. Read books to find healither and tasty recipes. Save my money by not wasting that single dime on Super-Market goods #????. Only buy new clothes when it's necessary and buy those that looks nice and within our financial reach. Prepare my tax return. Prepare all my "paperworks", like contract, mortgage, leasing ... Apply credit cards for me when she sees "0% APR for 1 year" ... Becomes another person when she's on bed ... and more ... This is my favorite part of Roblimo's post: Practical hint: ever notice how, at a dance or in a bar, 90% of the men try to glom on to 10% of the women? Be smarter than those guys! Pay attention to the women who look nice but unspectacular and are being ignored because they aren't perfectly dressed or made up.A friend of mine dated one of that "10% girl", spent a lot of money, married with her, spent even more money, divorced, splitted his money with her, and he's still waiting for his ex-wife. At the same time, his ex-wife found a new boy friend already, but is still going out with my friend, because his new boy friend doesn't earn as much money as my friend. Also, he can only sleep with her a few days a month, the rest of the month they sleep in their own beds. Poor guy. He's that 90% guy that many girls want (high income, nice looking, honest, but a bit greeky). His biggest mistake is that he fell in love with a 10% girl. My wife is not as attractive as her ex. at first glance, but that's because she doesn't like to dress like those "10% girls". If she doesn, she's even more beautiful than them. There are a lot of girls like her out there, you just need to look beyond the skin -- I mean, the dress. |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @11:39PM EST (#726) |
| Good point. Most people know that(I hope). It also turns out that you can turn a 90% into a 10% girl though... treating people too nice can have its downsides also. |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:22PM EST (#515) |
| "The only women who will do this are Christian, and you know about them. Yuck! " I have a soultion for you. Catholics. They are like Christians, only different. If they are going to have the eleven kids, they know they are going to have to keep things interesting in Bed! The one thing that I agree with you is: "Always marry someone sympatico to your politics.." The thing that you don't see is that within the next Decade, Your politics are going to change. Heck, by the first time you kid says daaa, You will see things from a totally diferent perspective. So I guess it will be "Marry someone sympatico to what your politics will be." And Have a Nice One. Bruce |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:2, Interesting) by LIZX on Monday October 25, @04:50AM EST (#601) (User Info) |
| Ok.. lets get this straight.. I for one am a female and A)not a christian (not that its bad to be one) B) not a feminist and c) love my boyfriend of 4 years who is a total computer geek. I totally thought the article was RIGHT ON. My boyfriend and I hardly discuss anything about the computer because thats what he does on his own time and I do what I want to on my own time. I dont ask him to dress like he came out of GQ and I totally respect his love for code (love hate.. :)) I know that being a computer geek is part of his personality and frankly, I love it. I think its interesting to learn new things from him and by me not being a computer geek, he has a chance to learn things from me as well. I think the article was completely right on.. take if from me I am dating a guy who used to spend about 18 hours out of his day on the computer.. there is hope.. :) |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @03:07PM EST (#698) |
| I agree. My wife couldn't send an e-mail when I met here. Completly different ends of the spectrum. To top that off I'm Canadian and she's Salvadorian. :) We are still learning off of each other. |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:2, Insightful) by SpacePunk on Monday October 25, @10:36AM EST (#659) (User Info) |
| dude, you are twisted The last thing anybody wants is some ditzy broad that chases after the latest political trends because she's tryin to keep up with the PC crowd and entering the "I care more than you do" race. |
| Re:This is kidding (Well, this here is serious...) (Score:2, Informative) by f1r3br4nd (f1r3br4nd@hotmail.com) on Monday October 25, @11:08AM EST (#674) (User Info) |
| by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:40PM EDT > PETA women are always looking for partners, and > they vote just like you and donate to the same > causes. Like hell they do! PETA, Greens, and other luddite bastards are the natural enemies of anyone who likes technology and/or believes in liberty. I'd rather be with a "right-wing" chiX0r whose political/religious views I'm indifferent to than some raging tree hugger whose politics are threatening the future of my species and my civilization. Of course, I don't have to settle for right-wing, because the sisters ain't dumb: more and more of them are wising up to what Libertarianism has to offer. |
| Re:This is kidding (Well, this here is serious...) (Score:2) by Mr. Slippery (tms@spambefuddler-infamous.net) on Monday October 25, @12:24PM EST (#688) (User Info) http://www.infamous.net/ |
PETA, Greens, and other luddite bastards are the natural enemies of anyone who likes technology and/or believes in liberty.Ah, no. I'm a vegan, I've donated to PETA, and voted Green; I'm also a software developer and technophile who is anti-censorship, anti-prohibition, and gun-owning - and I've also voted Libertarian. (That's right, I am an armed radical vegetarian, the beef council's worst nightmare B-) ) Being opposed to ethical anthrocentrism isn't a Luddite view, it's the only one in keeping with science and logic. And understanding that certain technologies have a negative environmental impact, and preferring the development of those that don't, isn't a Luddite view, it's the proper application of scientific and technical knowledge for the best long-term benefit. Combining science, logic, long-term thinking, and compassion is no threat to the human speicies - it's the only hope our species has for survival. (Since this has nought to do with lovelorn geeks, if anyone wants to discuss these points further I suggest e-mail - remove "spambefuddler-" from the address above.) Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | http://www.infamous.net/ "What's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?" - Nick Lowe |
| Re:This is kidding (Score:1) by spack on Tuesday October 26, @01:22AM EST (#728) (User Info) |
| Shut up dumbass! |
| is this really "news"? (Score:0, Flamebait) by apocalypse_now (messt66+@die.die.die.pitt.edu) on Sunday October 24, @11:22AM EST (#2) (User Info) http://matt.vegan.net/ |
| Come on, so a large number of the people reading /. can't get laid; that does not make this news. A new filter idea, Rob: "Useless love crap" -- Matt Singerman http://matt.vegan.net/ |
| Ok, look, for all you lamers.. (Score:2, Insightful) by Kitsune Sushi (kitsune@darkink.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:30AM EST (#12) (User Info) http://www.darkink.com/~kitsune/ |
..see that second sentence next to "News for Nerds"? The one that says, yeah, "Stuff that Matters"? You'll note that this doesn't say "Stuff that Matters to", say, "Kitsune Sushi". I may not care about half or more of the "crap" that gets posted to Slashdot. It matters to someone, though, or else it wouldn't have gotten posted. Not everything on this site is news. Or do you think Ask Slashdot is all about the latest uber geek news? heh. ~ Kish If you have something intelligent to say, you'll log in or get moderated up so I can read it. Otherwise, you're wasting your time. |
| What an idiot. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @10:28PM EST (#496) |
If you have something intelligent to say, you'll log in or get moderated up so I can read it. Otherwise, you're wasting your time.
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| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:2, Interesting) by zuvembi (zuvembi@mindless.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:34AM EST (#17) (User Info) |
| I usually like Roblimo stuff but, umm... no. I actually found this sort of offensive. Some of us don't have any problem with women, and even if we did, probably wouldn't want to take advice from random editors on /. Contrary to popular myth, some computer people are actually well socialized people who enjoy the company of other people. I don't mean to be offensive, but I think the thing that stroked me the wrong way was it had a patronizing tone to it. I know it was not meant/written that way, but it felt like it. "I prefer the wicked rather than the foolish. The wicked sometimes rest." -Alexandre Dumas |
| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:3, Interesting) by PRSmith on Sunday October 24, @11:45AM EST (#35) (User Info) |
| Well, I don't think it was patronizing. Unnecessary perhaps. The issues aren't a cultural anomoly in geekdom.... It's systemic. I don't think his article meant to challenge whether or not geeks were doable on the carnal adventure scale, but rather to point out (and thus reduce needless suffering) that the geek profile for wanting "geek girls" hurts you culturally as a defined social group of men. ..because you miss out, probably because ultimately you tend to declassify non-geek fielded female intellectuals as being less or silly or ___... you fill in the blanks. I like the concept of not being able to change source code... and just live with it. Okay, so he could have said... "Guys, quite you're whining... moaning and quite wasting your non-work lives on mainlining your computer 24/7... there be women in those trees, and a whole lot more fun than computers (no, say it isn't so!) in their own different ways.... Let it feel some way knew, and pleasurable. Signed, Phoenix : Female,artist/writer and recovering from two ex-geek husbands (guys of some note and coding fame!) |
| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:1) by zuvembi (zuvembi@mindless.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:02PM EST (#67) (User Info) |
| Hmmm, I hadn't thought about that point. I suppose that is a valid point. I guess I would have been less quick to find fault if it had been an article on why geek girls may not really be what will make you happy. If he had cut out the last 1/2 I suppose I would have been perfectly happy reading it. I know my wife is a luddite, she really doesn't like using them too much. When the talk among our friends turns to computers she often starts feigning death, which usually makes us turn the conversation elsewhere. But we have plenty of other interests/activities in common. "I prefer the wicked rather than the foolish. The wicked sometimes rest." -Alexandre Dumas |
| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:1) by Darkwind on Sunday October 24, @11:52AM EST (#43) (User Info) |
| This article I am sure wasn't meant to be offensive. It was simply to help out those geeks out there who do need a little advice in the love department. It does /NOT/ say that every geek who reads /. has trouble with love, nor does it say that you have to read every article. The title itself says that it is his advice for lovelorn geeks. If you aren't a lovelorn geek, you don't have to read it. This was of course not meant to flame, but simply to help enlighten those who think that every article is directed at them. If the article is your thing, that's fantastic. If not, don't worry about it much, it wasn't meant for you. |
| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:2, Insightful) by roblimo (roblimo.nojunk@slashdot.org) on Sunday October 24, @12:06PM EST (#73) (User Info) http://andovernews.com/bio_miller.html |
| A Clue: this article is listed under our "It's funny. Laugh" topic. Sure, there's truth in it, but please try not to take it too seriously. - Robin |
| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:1) by zuvembi (zuvembi@mindless.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:19PM EST (#92) (User Info) |
| Sorry, I think the hangover's impairing my humour subroutine. I'll try and be a little slower with the reply button next time. "I prefer the wicked rather than the foolish. The wicked sometimes rest." -Alexandre Dumas |
| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:1) by zuvembi (zuvembi@mindless.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:06PM EST (#74) (User Info) |
| I know it wasn't meant to be offensive, I just said it rubbed me the wrong way. You're probably right that I'm just being over-sensitive and should have just gone to the next article. "I prefer the wicked rather than the foolish. The wicked sometimes rest." -Alexandre Dumas |
| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:1) by w3woody (woody@alumni.caltech.edu) on Sunday October 24, @12:00PM EST (#63) (User Info) http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~woody |
| Look: some of us may be well socialized. (I think I do pretty damn good in the social department myself.) But most of the computer geeks I know (along with the physics geeks and math geeks from my alma mater) aren't the best socialized group of geeks around. Honestly, the most common question I've heard from my geek friends is not "how do I configure a NIC to work with my Compaq under RedHat" or "what do I watch out for when writing portable software using C" but "how do I get a girlfriend." I don't need advise on how to cool my CPU after clock-chipping, but I don't begrudge the news article on /. which covered that topic. |
| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:1) by Mawbid (hawk/gagarin/is) on Sunday October 24, @12:07PM EST (#75) (User Info) http://gagarin.is |
| Stangely enough, it didn't feel that way to me. I say strangely because it's amazing that something that can be headlined as "Married Man Sets Geeks Straight About Girls" could possibly be anything but patronising to geeks. Instead, it felt like well-meant, sincere, fatherly advice. Thanks, Robin. -- Fuck the system? Nah, you might catch something. |
| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:1) by Schmam (schmam@hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:10PM EST (#82) (User Info) |
I agree with you to some extent that this is patronizing. There are many of us who, though possessing enough technical knowledge to be considered a 'geek,' have enough social skill to get along in any setting. However, there are many, many /.'ers that need all the help they can get. I think that the author did a good job of just being friendly and helpful to these folks. |
| offensive (Score:1) by cebe on Sunday October 24, @06:27PM EST (#391) (User Info) |
| I agree... this really offended me as well. Any of my online guy pals that are reading this and know who I am are probably saying "uh oh... here she goes..." well where shall I begin... "Dont waste your time on geek girls" yeah boys.. take his advice.. and then when your wife divorces you because you wont give her the attention you give your computer... you'll want someone who "understands you... you and all your passions combined" When you want affection... if it's meant to be.. she wont be coding and posting on slashdot.. she'll recognize this and let go of the keyboard. in a nutshell.. As a "geek girl" I feel so encredibly stereotyped. Don't you want someone who would get excited when you come home with 50 feet of cat5 and say "Lets wire this house to the tilt" Or do you want someone that would say "wtf is that... you're not putting those ugly wires all over my house" Bottom line.. in the long run... you need to be able to share your main passion with that other person. next item: "I've gone out with more than a few "hot babes" in my time and I generally found them to be more trouble than they were worth." This is saying a few things... if you're good looking.. you are not relationship material. Whether its baggage.. or conceit, or a lack of brains.... I can't believe you have taken the issue of looks and said all hot people are "like this" I like to think of myself as a pretty good looking girl... I work out 5 times a week... I have blonde hair... definatly no lack of options... but my degree is the most important thing to me right now. I couldnt be bothered dating (not to mention.. theres only one geek for me) I have enough trouble getting people to listen to me... and its people like you that are the cause of it. People see me and assume I dont know shit about computers... and when I tell them im an information systems major their jaw drops. I can't remember the last time I walked into a computer store and recieved help from someone that worked there. If you want some real advice guys... here it is.. The biggest reason I have turned down geeks is one simple thing... Self-esteem. I've met some really incredible people... but I cant stand being around someone with no self-esteem. Instead of buying PC Gamer next month... pick up a Cosmo instead. You'll learn more than you ever wanted to know. Oh.. and don't stereotytpe people. If you see a geek girl or a playboy model.. dont remember anything you have read here... find out for yourself if you would enjoy that person. Sorry this is so long but arrrgh... you really got my panties in a bunch :) Canadians are people too :P -Fnord ShinGouki Mastah :) |
| Re:offensive (Score:1) by cebe on Sunday October 24, @06:49PM EST (#401) (User Info) |
| and as for "old fashioned girls"... cooking.. cleaning... wiping your ass well I'm not even going to go there... but in that one sentence.. you lost my respect. They may be out there... but wheres their individuality? well... besides surrendering it over to the morman church... I'd say this is THE 90's! but come on... I thought our society was past all of this. decide what it is you want in a girl... a baby popping dishwasher or someone that will be able to survive if you died tommorrow. ok now I'm done... i think :) Canadians are people too :P -Fnord ShinGouki Mastah :) |
| Re:offensive (Score:1) by B1FF (R00T@I27.O.O.I) on Sunday October 24, @11:54PM EST (#537) (User Info) ftp://127.0.0.1/ |
| > but come on... I thought our society was past all of this. H4 H4 H4 H4!!!!!!11 S0C13TY 1Z P4$T TH1$?!?! G3T 4 CLU3, L4DY: S0C13TY D03ZN"T G3T B3TT3R W1TH 4G3. P33PL3 4R3 G3TT1NG DUMB3R 4$ $0C13TY 4DV4NC3S. 1 $T4ND B4 U 4Z 4 PR1M3 3X4MPL3 0F TH4 21st C3NTURY D00D. T4K3 TH4T H0W3V3R U W1$H. S0 1F Y0U 3V3R N33D SUM G00D L0V1N" FR0M 4 GUY WH0 H4Z 4LL TH3 L8est W3R3Z, JU$T G1MM3 4 J1NGL3 && 1"LL G1V3 U R00T, B4BY!!!11 000H, Y34H!!!!11 (And, just to break character for a moment: I agree with Biff about society being past this. I really think that if you look around, you'll see a trend of people surrenduring their free will and taking the easy way out from thinking. The mass media and the authoritarian governments, regardless of their intentions, are really starting to have some sad effects on youngsters brains... Talk to a 12 year old some time, and see how they compare to the people you remember when you were 12. It's sobering. Give us a few more decades, and USA will be ready for arranged marriages.) :WQ :wq ------ ------ ------ ALL HA1L B1FF, TH3 M05T 31337 D00D!!!!!1 ------ ------ ------ ALL HA1L B1FF, TH3 M05T 31337 D00D!!!!!1 |
| Cosmo??!!! (Score:1) by Jasn on Monday October 25, @03:53PM EST (#700) (User Info) |
| Wow ... I was nearly taken in by this otherwise thoughtful, trenchant commentary, until the advice to check out COSMO! Yeah, that's done a lot for the healthy socialization of women ... creating the attitude that great sex is not only a woman's right but likely the most important thing to a loving relationship, and repeatedly suggesting that the "right man" is something to be bagged/trapped rather than dealt with on even terms. I can only conclude that this is a stealthy post (from a spy for 'their' side (g)) masquerading as good advice, but actually designed to take a generation of geeks out of the dating pool by getting them to cater to the lowest common denominator of relationshipdom ... and urging them to shape their conversational topics to fit the "Cosmo girl's" extremely limited universe. |
| Re:Cosmo??!!! (Score:1) by cebe on Monday October 25, @05:57PM EST (#708) (User Info) |
| I enjoyed that :) I was talking more about the "confessions of real women" and "sex secrets" part of the issues.. but you have such a valid point and clear definition of "cosmo" I cant help but sit here and grin. Canadians are people too :P -Fnord ShinGouki Mastah :) |
| Re:is this really "news"? (Score:1, Offtopic) by Tau (Thomas.george@connect-2.co.uk) on Sunday October 24, @12:02PM EST (#69) (User Info) |
| Is the star wars stuff really news??? The fact that it would be found interesting by a lot of /.ers surely warrents this to be posted? |
| THIS POST WAS ___NOT___ OFFTOPIC!!! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @08:23AM EST (#633) |
| see the subject |
| dude (Score:2, Funny) by kfort (kirk@patrohn.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:24AM EST (#3) (User Info) |
| this is like the coolest thing I have ever seen. I suspected most of this anyway, but roblimo is like the masta hacker pimp. |
| Pimps rock (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @05:04PM EST (#353) |
| I love being a pimp.. I'll tell ya, my best whores do nothing but geeks. Geeks are great moneny makers... Sex hungry, wealthy, and timid. Usually a dirty look from one of my girls is enough to finishem off. Gotta love it. |
| Women. (Score:3, Insightful) by Signal 11 (signal11@mediaone.net?Subject=Slashdot) on Sunday October 24, @11:25AM EST (#4) (User Info) http://www.malign.net |
| I would like to remind everyone that there is no universal answer for finding Mr. or Ms. Perfect. Even though geeks at large are a homogenious group, there can be no easy answer. Best advice I, and likely anyone, can offer you is to ask yourself what you're looking for in a relationship, and then set out to find someone that meets your expectations. Do you want somebody who's witty, charming? Or just looks good? Be realistic too - like shopping for your next computer you can't get all the peripherals and addons you'd like.. so keep in mind what you really need, and what "would be nice". Everybody wants Cindy Crawford with all the addons and a 180 IQ... Just a reality check for all of you out there. I'd like to hear what both sexes are looking for in the geek community... I suspect the answers will suprise both sides. |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by garibald on Sunday October 24, @11:42AM EST (#31) (User Info) |
| Well don't know about anyone else, but i'm looking for a reasonably intelligent woman, one who doesn't have to ask me what i'm talking about every two minutes, and i don't mean computers, just general conversation, and have an average appearance, otherwise doesn't require a paper bag accessory when going out. Of course, the understanding about priorities is also important, school has to come first. |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @06:11PM EST (#383) |
| The smart ones are out there too, I got one. She has this thing of online IQ Tests to top it off and I have learned a long time ago,not to partake in this little hobby of hers, because she does score higher than me. But I make all the money and we do have a happy life. |
| heh. (Score:2, Insightful) by Kitsune Sushi (kitsune@darkink.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:51AM EST (#41) (User Info) http://www.darkink.com/~kitsune/ |
I would like to remind everyone that there is no universal answer for finding Mr. or Ms. Perfect. Even though geeks at large are a homogenious group, there can be no easy answer. "Homogenius": a deft play on words, or a spelling error in desperate need of correction? You be the judge. Seriously, though, I have to disagree that geeks as a group compare to a certain kind of milk. =P It all depends on the chemistry of your personality, really. I, for example, enjoy all sorts of creative thought, love to write (poetry, prose, song lyrics, whatever), roleplay, drool for long periods of time while playing around on the net (er.. oops.. didn't mean to add that one), etc. I would probably think myself to be in some sort of hell if I fell in love with someone else interested in programming, but brilliant, creative women.. That I can relate to.. and enjoy doing so. Do you want somebody who's witty, charming? Or just looks good? I'd like to assert that if you're looking for someone who just looks good, getting into a relationship with that person is a bad idea. After all, if you're only interested in the material, and that feeling is probably being reciprocated (or else the girl/guy is a sucker), then you probably don't want to be mutually exclusive. =P Be realistic too - like shopping for your next computer you can't get all the peripherals and addons you'd like.. so keep in mind what you really need, and what "would be nice". Everybody wants Cindy Crawford with all the addons and a 180 IQ... They do..? *falls out of his chair, woozy, starting to look a little ill..* Personally, I don't need nor want a rocket scientist, and so long as the girl is "cute", I'm not likely to obsess over aesthetics. After all, I'm looking for personality, not just.. well, heh. The thing I find most distasteful about looking for dates in the real world is you're obviously going to be drawn to who you find the most attractive, which is rather unlikely to be the person who's personality you're going to find the most agreeable, compatible, attractive, etc. Just a reality check for all of you out there. I'd like to hear what both sexes are looking for in the geek community... I suspect the answers will suprise both sides. Your wish.. is my command.. This could take a while, however, so I'm not going to include it in this comment. ;) ~ Kish If you have something intelligent to say, you'll log in or get moderated up so I can read it. Otherwise, you're wasting your time. |
| Re:heh. (Score:1) by Signal 11 (signal11@mediaone.net?Subject=Slashdot) on Sunday October 24, @01:35PM EST (#207) (User Info) http://www.malign.net |
| "Homogenius": a deft play on words, or a spelling error in desperate need of correction? You be the judge. Or maybe i and o are right next to each other on a qwerty-style keyboard and my finger slipped? :) Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best one. |
| qwerty... (Score:1) by cdlu (canada@spamless.geecs.org) on Sunday October 24, @04:04PM EST (#309) (User Info) http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~canada |
| use dvorak then :) aoeui instead of yuiop for the confusing letters :) [3] + Stopped /root/slashdot |
| Women? Hah. (Score:3, Insightful) by the_tsi (wNiOlSlPiAeM@perigee.net) on Sunday October 24, @11:52AM EST (#45) (User Info) |
| Yeah, like most geeks know what they're looking for in a relationship? They may think that they want someone who's obsessed with computers, star wars, RPGs, but how interesting is a relationship like that going to be? And how many of them are going to come to that realization before they realize "wow, this chick slept with me, I think I'll marry her"? Or, how many get crushes (on that goth girl at the next table at lunch (and convince themselves that's a perfect person since they have so much to talk about that's different and so much to share), and end up dating them for several months only to come to the realization that there's not a single thing holding the relationship together than "gee, this girl and I have nothing to talk about and nothing to do together, since we live in completely different worlds." Geeks DON'T know what they want in a relationship, which is why most of their relationships blow chunks (or never even get started, for that matter). And a guide on "How To Be a Normal Human Being 101 by Roblimo, Master of Suaveness" isn't going to help them get to grips with the fact that the REAL secret to successful relationships is to: GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GET OUT THERE AND START TALKING TO PEOPLE. Things will happen from there. If you're in high school, sign up for clubs besides Math Team, Quiz Bowl, and the Honor Society. Join a sport (track is always recruiting), or the theatre group (and don't just be a techie, TRY out for a part, for Pete's sake), or anything artsy. If you're in college, go to meetings besides the comic/sci-fi/fantasy club. While Killer and Magic: The Gathering may be a great game to play on weekends, there are much more fun ways to be spending your time that involve the Real World. -Chris |
| Re:Women? Hah. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:01PM EST (#65) |
| Dude, if i didn't know any better i'd say someone is a little bitter about some closer-to-real-life-than-hypothetical-situation relationships described in the above post. |
| Re:Women? Hah. (Score:1) by gromm on Sunday October 24, @08:41PM EST (#452) (User Info) |
| > And a guide on "How To Be a Normal Human Being 101 by Roblimo, Master of Suaveness" isn't going to help them get to grips with the fact that the REAL secret to successful relationships is to: > [etc] Heh. Why the hell would I want to be a Normal Human Being (tm)? I've observed such people in their natural environment, and it made me want to puke. At least where I live, Normal Human Males are ignorant twits who keep each other in line by constantly and brutally questioning each other's manliness. (the word "faggot" is used frequently, although I doubt they're able to spell it right.) These guys also happen to be the 90% that swarm to the 10% in the bars. Figure out why. >Things will happen from there. If you're in high school, sign up for clubs besides Math Team, Quiz Bowl, and the Honor Society. Join a sport (track is always recruiting), Oh boy. Competitive sports. Just the thing I always wanted to do with my time, and the thing I've always been so good at. (really.) As an added bonus, you get to hang out with a bunch of athletic guys in smelly locker rooms. For me at least, locker rooms give me flashbacks of the most horrible bits of my high school years, and probably have the same effect on most other geeks too. >or the theatre group (and don't just be a techie, TRY out for a part, for Pete's sake), or anything artsy. _This_ is the only good suggestion you've given. And although I know few geeks that have any acting talent whatsoever, I've known many artistic types with whom I've gotten along with very well indeed, and were even halfway geeky sorts. IMHO, hanging out with artists is a Good Thing for probably a lot of geeks. And many of them share a lot of the same interests as we do. (outside of computers and science, of course. :) |
| Re:Women? Hah. (Score:1) by divbyzero (divbyzero@hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:37PM EST (#529) (User Info) |
>> or the theatre group (and don't just be a techie, TRY out for a part, for Pete's sake), or anything artsy. > _This_ is the only good suggestion you've given. And although I know few geeks that have any acting talent whatsoever, I've known many artistic types with whom I've gotten along with very well indeed, and were even halfway geeky sorts. Hmm, the last play I acted in, the lead worked for Applix. I'm a coder at AltaVista. One of my coworkers there is also a pro-quality ballet dancer. The list goes on and on... When you're talking about college/community theatre or any other recreational (non-professional) form of the arts, you're actually very likely to find a high number of geeks. The type of talent and creativity it takes to be a good programmer often (though not necessarily) corresponds very closely to the type of talent it takes to be an artist or musician; dramatic acting is not a far way off. Warning... beginning to philosophise here... As for being able to successfully communicate with non-geeks, I've never found it to be a problem. Sure I've dealt with jocks who were jerks. But I've also dealt with geeks who were jerks, and had jocks as friends. I've even known people who could be considered both jocks and geeks simultaneously. And that doesn't even begin to address the other common cliques under which people are labeled (like artists, or motorheads, or hippies, or the appearance-obsessed, or whatever). I'm too realistic to say that all cliques are a evil idea, and we should only have a single global community. Of course, it's nice to have a group of friends with whom you share at least one defining personality trait. My point is that it is very possible (and has always come naturally for me) for a single person to be a member of multiple communities or cliques. It keeps you balanced, and avoids the whole "us versus them" mentality that leads to incidents like Columbine. I find the whole stereotyping that routinely goes on at Slashdot to be rather ridiculous. The percentage of socially inept techies I've met in my life is pretty much equal to the percentage of socially inept people who don't revel in computers. I'm fairly curious to see how many folks here actually believe they fit the unofficial Slashdot stereotype. I for one consider myself far more well-rounded, with extremely different views about women, etc. I still consider myself a member of the Slashdot community and continue to read the site because I enjoy its technical, literary, and occasionally its political aspects, but almost never its social commentary. Hey CT, how about that for a poll? -- Div. But my grandest creation, as history will tell, Was Firefrorefiddle, the Fiend of the Fell. |
| Re:Women? Hah. (Score:1) by Sloppy (sloppy@spam^H^H^H^Hrt66.com) on Monday October 25, @12:22AM EST (#548) (User Info) |
GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GET OUT THERE AND START TALKING TO PEOPLE. When you get right down to it, that is the reason I have been "between girlfriends" (and not in the "sandwich" sense ;-) for quite some time. I don't have a problem with the chicks once I learn their names, but I almost never meet them. (Also, I never meet guys either. All my friends are "old" friends from school days.) Nor am I willing to do what it takes to change that. Fuck "being normal" because I already have my own way of being. I'm not gonna start going to bars, or asking out waitresses (or anyone else where there's a vendor/customer relationship), and I learned a long time ago to keep outta co-workers' pants, especially the married ones. ;-) When a chick falls into my lap due to strange circumstance, we'll make the best of things. That's slow going, but it's still better than selling out. I just don't understand guys who whine about not having a girlfriend. If you really want one, and you're willing to do what it takes, it's not that hard. It's just a question of values and priorities -- what you want out of life. Cater to a biologically pre-programmed agenda, or your own? In my case, if after I've taken over the planet, if I haven't snagged a chick yet, then maybe I'll go girl-hunting. :-) --- Have a Sloppy night! |
| Re:Women? Hah. (Score:1) by crm0922 on Monday October 25, @02:31AM EST (#577) (User Info) |
| When you get right down to it, that is the reason I have been "between girlfriends" (and not in the "sandwich" sense ;-) for quite some time. I don't have a problem with the chicks once I learn their names, but I almost never meet them. .(Also, I never meet guys either. All my friends are "old" friends from school days.) Nor am I willing to do what it takes to change that. Fuck "being normal" because I already have my own way of being. I'm not gonna start going to bars, or asking out waitresses (or anyone else where there's a vendor/customer relationship), and I learned a long time ago to keep outta co-workers' pants, especially the married ones. ;-) When a chick falls into my lap due to strange circumstance, we'll make the best of things. That's slow going, but it's still better than selling out. I just don't understand guys who whine about not having a girlfriend. If you really want one, and you're willing to do what it takes, it's not that hard. It's just a question of values and priorities -- what you want out of life. Cater to a biologically pre-programmed agenda, or your own? In my case, if after I've taken over the planet, if I haven't snagged a chick yet, then maybe I'll go girl-hunting. :-) Whoa...this pretty much sums up how I feel as well. I do go out often enough (alcohol==good), but never with the express purpose of "snagging" a woman. I have had plenty of relationships here and there, but only with those women who have "fallen into my lap." Or more accurately, those who I have hit it off with immediately. Incidently, I consider each of them quite intelligent and physically attractive, and each for different reasons. That is the beauty of waiting for the chance matchup. I nearly never meet new girls (or guys), despite going out often, for the same reasons, I keep to myself unless I am in a situation where meeting someone is natural and we can act like we do in real life. I agree, you are selling out if you run out of the house every Friday with CK all over yourself to go rub up against women at a club until one will sleep with you. I could never act that way, and I find that if you make yourself visible (go visit old friends, go places alone, hang out with your siblings, etc.) but act normally, something will come along. Like recently, I met a famale who I hit off with instantly. Too bad she had a boyfriend and lives far away. It'll happen again, preferably with no boyfriend. Oh yeah, and make female friend-friends. They will instruct you and make you look like an acceptable man by hanging out with you. Its really not that hard, but you really do have to leave the house. Just go somewhere you want to go with people you like, that way you are never let down. Being single rules. Chris |
| Re:Women? Hah. (Score:2, Insightful) by Omnifarious (hopper@omnifarious.mn.org) on Monday October 25, @12:45AM EST (#557) (User Info) http://omnifarious.mn.org/~hopper |
Why should I go out and do a whole big bunch of things I find horribly unpleasant? It seems to me that the fact that I'm obviously uncomfortable would be a huge turnoff. |
| Re:Women? Hah. (Score:1) by CharlieG (Charlie@TheGallos.com) on Monday October 25, @07:14AM EST (#623) (User Info) http://www.thegallos.com |
| Gee, I don't know. WAY back when, this old geek used to play D&D - NO not AD&D, but back when it was three little books that no one had heard of. One day, my best freind brings this girls he's known since she was 4 to a gaming session. Mary ended up liking D&D, and became one of the gang. About 2 years later, we started dating. Folks, that was March 1980. We have a happy little 2 1/2 year old girl who is a total computer nerd (would rather play with the computer than watch TV) |
| Theatre.... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @01:07PM EST (#695) |
| You know, I went to one of them damn theatre things. Before I knew it I was walking out the door with a wife and kids. Go figure. :-) For some reason, people who are in theatre don't tend to form relationships in their own group, but they are usually ridiculously happy people. I found that this is usually just what the standard geeky guy needs. Personality is far more important than anything else in a relationship. Trust me. |
| How long can I make this post..? (Score:2, Redundant) by Kitsune Sushi (kitsune@darkink.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:31PM EST (#104) (User Info) http://www.darkink.com/~kitsune/ |
And will I follow suit after Sig and dispense with my karmic powers..? Hmm. So, enough with the pointless rhetoric: (warning: this post was inspired by Sig's request and done out of total boredom.. if you read this post, you do so at your own risk) To be quite honest, I'm not looking for anything in the ``geek community''. That would be referred to as ``limiting my options''. I look for females in the general population of humanity. I know, it's scary, and difficult to narrow down, much less make a decision, but after a while your filters are pretty finely honed. ;) First I should begin by saying that unlike some others, my first love is not hacking. It's creative thought. I do a lot of writing, though only when I feel moved to for some reason or another. With regards to song lyrics or poetry, it's only when I'm feeling especially emotional (my best stuff is rather depressing, but hey). I also like developing game worlds, characters, creatures, just about anything that has to do with the inner workings of an rpg. Naturally this is an extension of the fact that I used to like writing stories more than I do now. :) That said, it is indeed a necessity that the person I am likely to want to spend a significant amount of life with would have to share a number of interests with me. It sort of has to be that way, or else you can't really relate to one another. However, those who really have no other interests besides programming are true computer geeks, and really need to get a life. And yeah, there's a big difference between hackers, programmers, and computer geeks. =P (for me, personally, I wouldn't want a programmer (or related term) because the other key topics of interest for me are more of a requirement, and if they were a programmer or whatever on top of that as well, we'd probably be too damn similar.. which is not so good.. disclaimer: this has never been tested in practice, only in theory) I am most attracted to those women who take a great interest in creative things, such as writing, roleplaying (I can even deal with those who like to play Magic, even though I personally detect the game ;) -- especially White Wolf stuff, and anything else that involves being imaginative. I also happen to be extremely emotional, and have a rather off sense of humor. So another requirement is that the woman in question sort of has to grasp my sense of humor (which is exemplified by the fact that I've seen Army of Darkness between 500 and 1000 times, and am still not sick of it.. how I managed to find a woman who has done the same is really mind-boggling.. other good examples would be Squee! and JTHM by Jhonen Vasquez.. both are really good), and must be supportive, patient, and understanding. And since my tastes are rather rarified, and I'm also rather sensitive, I have trouble dealing with women who are overly abrasive, or uncaring. I like nice, sweet girls. This is not to say that I mind profanity (who the fuck does? you can, however, get too vulgar at times.. I don't like to feel ill ;), or that I'm some sort of prim and proper type (actually, I prefer those who are rather daring, and am a classic example of a good number of ``counter culture'' values). Perhaps this part is too hard for me to explain? However, while I disdain the thought of chasing after other hacker types, I must admit that anyone who is completely clueless with a computer is not likely to be someone I can relate to on a long-term basis. They don't have to be some sort of uber geek who sits around on the Internet for extended periods of time amassing huge collections of.. ok, screw that explanation. Point is, the girl should at least be familiar with a computer as a user. I don't care if they can program the damn thing, but.. you know. (after all, I spend a good deal of time with my computer, so I might be bothered by the idea of a complete and total lack of interest/cluefulness with regards to what I'm doing.. it's sort of boring to be excited about something you saw on the net and have no one to say anything about it to :) First and foremost, however, I expect honesty. I'm almost unnaturally direct and honest about just about everything, and I don't take well to being lied to. Truth and honor.. things that are too often forgotten in this world of ours. Broken promises and out and out lies are the two most common reasons for me ditching a girl. ;) To sum it up, intelligence and personality are the two key ``umbrella'' qualities. As long as the woman is ``cute'', it doesn't matter too much how attractive they are physically, because attractiveness is determined by their overall personality (which is not overshadowed by their appearance unless they are flat out repulsive.. this is an unfortunate fact.. I wish it weren't so, but the truth is there). Basically, I sort of need someone with whom I can actually talk to (``dumb'' girls (or guys, for that matter) simply aren't very intellectually stimulating, and a long term relationship.. it's just not there..), and who actually cares about me (duh). Ok, screw it again. I'm tired of explaining this (you can tell I didn't write this in a linear fashion.. hee hee). I'll just sum up my general thoughts of the article with a couple of key points: You should find someone who appreciates you for who you are, and whom you appreciate for who they are. You find who you are meant for, you don't change others or yourself to suit the other. The puzzle fits together, or it doesn't. Plain and simple. Having around a half to 2/3 or even 3/4 the same common interests is ok. Having less or more.. probably bad. You want to be able to relate to one another and also be interested and intrigued in one another. You want to be with someone you can talk to, not someone with whom you feel like you're talking to yourself. All in all, ``Roblammo'' brought up some good points, and a lot of poor ones. I won't bother going through the article line by line, however.. I just don't have the time and/or inclination. Ha! (I'm not even editing this post.. fear) ~ Kish If you have something intelligent to say, you'll log in or get moderated up so I can read it. Otherwise, you're wasting your time. |
| Re:How long can I make this post..? (Score:1) by gromm on Sunday October 24, @08:51PM EST (#453) (User Info) |
| YES! This is it exactly! :D I wish I had something else to put in, but Kish has already summed the whole thing up. :D |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:15PM EST (#176) |
| Just a note. Cindy was a straight A student in hs, and was studying Chemical Engineering at Northwestern before her modeling career took off ... what ever happened. |
| (mouth agape) (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @04:42AM EST (#598) |
| Wow. Chemical engineering. I never would have guessed. I would have figured something like child development. Interesting, thanks. |
| Re:Women. (Score:1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:25PM EST (#192) |
| If you would like to hear what this female geek is looking for in a guy, here it goes. In a geek guy, I am looking for intelligence, as well as the ability to appreciate intelligent women (otherwise I don't qualify. :-)) I am interested in people who like thinking. People who enjoy generating ideas and sharing them with me. Another quality that is equally important to me is the guy's ability to accept and like introverted women. Being strongly introverted, I noticed that, for a woman, that's a major drawback when it comes to dating. It's worse than lack of good looks. Apparently the prevalent stereotype still dictates that women should be outgoing, sociable, talkative and "bubbly" -- even the geek guys adhere to those stereotypes when choosing dating partners. My ideal geek guy would be able to challenge this misconception by accepting and appreciating a quiet, introverted, introspective woman -- that would be a sign of a nonconformist mind that attracts me so much. Alas, I am not the kind of "ideal" woman that roblimo described. Perhaps it explains why I had so little luck in relationships. He seems to be against women who actually enjoy programming -- but I enjoy it quite a bit. Maybe I am naive in my thinking that working on "pet" programming projects could be a perfect way to spend a "quiet evening at home" with a significant other. |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:02PM EST (#308) |
| Had you not posted anonymously, I bet your email would be overflowing by now. Really, you sound like exactly the type of woman I'd like to meet. Granted I'm nowhere near as successful as roblimo in this area, but I'd much rather have a relationship with a geek girl than some circa-1950s woman who subordinates herself to her man. Some of my best memories from college were staying up late with my female roommate (not girlfriend), hacking Java code or making web pages. A major problem, of course, is that by definition it is very difficult for two introverted people to meet. (Case in point: we're both ACs.) I'd argue being introverted is even worse for a guy than a girl, since we're still expected to make the first move. Oh well. It is definitely good to hear from females such as yourself, just so I don't completely lose hope. |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @05:14PM EST (#359) |
| It's me again (the female AC). The reason why I didn't post my email was because Slashdot is read by a number of people that I know, and I don't want to reveal my vulnerabilities to them. If you or anybody else may want to reply to me in person, please post your email and I'll write back. And yes, introvertedness makes relationships so much more difficult. Not just in the sense of meeting people, but also in maintaining relationships. The question of whether it is guys or girls that have greater difficulty with being introverted, is a philosophical one. I agree that it may interfere with guys' "obligation" to make the first move, but for women, introvertedness can interfere with the entire role of being female (more exactly, a _stereotypical_ female). Women, after all, are expected to have impeccable social skills, be people-oriented and constantly try to make everybody around them feel good. But it is hardly possible for her to make an impression of a friendly, warm and caring personality, if she is more interested in the inner world of thoughts and ideas, than the outer world of people and their interactions. OK, I'll stop wasting space on a subject that is not immediately related to the discussion. Suffices to say that from the evolutionary perspective, the humankind apparently tries (unconsciously rather than consciously) to eliminate introvertedness as an undesirable trait, by marginalizing its introverted members and therefore making it hard for them to meet, maintain relationships and procreate. Just semi-kidding. :-) |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @05:48PM EST (#372) |
| Male AC here. defenestrate14@hotmail.com. I'd definitely enjoy talking to you. |
| match.slashdot.org (Score:1) by Beethoven (spam@john-edwin-tobey.org) on Sunday October 24, @06:11PM EST (#382) (User Info) http://john-edwin-tobey.org/ |
Thank you for an encouraging post. Before Slashdot, I assumed I was too unlike anyone else to be any woman's "type". After becoming a regular, I quickly realized how many are JUST LIKE ME. But I still doubted that my own "type" of woman existed... until now. I agree with you entirely about introverts' troubles with meeting one another, especially when they want to meet other introverts. Which I do, btw. I still kinda suspect you are a rarity in that you like to program. I took up programming (after 6 years away) for the express purpose of draining off the excess sex drive. Now I've been wondering what will happen to my career if I find Ms Right. Oh, and since this thread seems to be developing into a Slashdot dating service (yay!!), let me point out that a couple of turnoffs are people who own dogs (not that I dislike dogs, just wouldn't want to live with one) and attachment to one's automobile. (I prefer not to own a car, living in the city.) (Cambridge, Mass. to be precise.) |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @06:13PM EST (#385) |
| Hearing from you would be a wonderful experience. I am not the guy who has already replied to your post, but my e-mail address is eternaldarkness@lynchburg.net if you wish to contact me. I will say more there that I would rather not here. |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by Mock (kstenerud@hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @09:45PM EST (#473) (User Info) |
| And yes, introvertedness makes relationships so much more difficult. Not just in the sense of meeting people, but also in maintaining relationships. The strange thing is, being introverted myself, I am able to lay my soul bare in text, but completely shut myself in if it comes to a face-to-face encounter. I'm glad to hear that there are indeed women out there who enjoy thought (There are so few people who think to begin with). My roommate is one of those few who can think, but since he's male and we're not gay, I must continue my search =) |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by Ventilator (ventilator@paradio.ch) on Monday October 25, @11:07AM EST (#673) (User Info) http://www.mp3.com/bri |
| The strange thing is, being introverted myself, I am able to lay my soul bare in text, but completely shut myself in if it comes to a face-to-face encounter. I know what you mean, though I don't know, why this is so. Maybe it's because when you do not talk directly to someone else, there is "no immediate danger". Don't know how to describe it otherwise. I too had this problem, but then I just keep in mind that I can't get killed by telling a girl that I find her attractive or by admitting my sympathy. Worst thing that can happen is that you get a rejection. But hey, you wouldn't expect your code to run without errors after the first compiling either. And then, you could always write a letter (by hand of course!) stating that you did not know how she would react if you told her live about your feelings and therefore decided to send her this letter. --- If OS were buildings, then the first woodpecker to come around would erase 95 % of civilization. |
| Re: Women. & Introverts (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @09:53PM EST (#477) |
| (e-mail kkyzivat@cs.uml.edu) I'm another introvert like you and (I suppose) quite a few of us here in geekdom. :) .. I think that I'd have to agree with you, being introverted can be a pain in the neck for meeting people. This is the case for anyone, whether it be a male or a female. I mean, even finding friends can be hard. Fear of rejection plays a big part for me. It would be nice to expand my relationships, but that can be really hard due to the fear of rejection. This fear doesn't just come in to play for me with love relationships, but also for just your plain ol friendship relationships. Males have a particular problem with being forced to be the ones to make the first move (as society has dictated for us), but I'm sure there are some similar problems, like those that you brought up, that have a similarly devasating effect for females. It sure would be a pity to see introverted people weeded out by evolution. |
| Re: Women. & Introverts (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @10:24PM EST (#494) |
| I can only hope to survive until the time when human intelligence merges with machine intelligence, as in, for example, Ray Kurzweil's book "The Age of Spiritual Machines", or Greg Egan's books. It may come even sooner than we expect... When all our personalities become virtual, they will be "editable", and we will be able to turn ourselves into whatever we want, and edit ourselves back into the original form when the goal of finding a special somebody is met. Then nobody would face extinction, not only introverts but people with bigger personality "handicaps" as well. Wouldn't it be great?... :-) |
| Re:Women. (Score:2) by m3000 (m3000@nospam.tampabay.rr.com) on Sunday October 24, @10:28PM EST (#495) (User Info) http://m3000.1wh.com/linux |
| You don't have to email me, I'm probally too young for you anyway. But I'd just like to say that I understand what your a saying. I'm introverted and when your a teenager, it's hard to deal with that. It was very comforting to read about all these other people who are also like me, and it's given me some confidence. Your comments have also made me more aware of those girls who seem to just sorta fade into the background. Anyway, I'll finish this up with a joke I read on /. a day ago or so: How can you tell an extroverted software engineer? He looks at your shoes when he talks to you. |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by Atri on Monday October 25, @03:23AM EST (#586) (User Info) |
| I can identify. Being introverted and more then bit shy I have always found it extremely difficult to meet new people and to begin relationships. It usually takes me quite a while to warm up to people enough to relax and feel comfortable enough to actually be myself. Once I get to this point with people they actually realize that I'm not some one-dimensional techno-weenie, but a fairly well rounded person with a level head on his shoulders and a lot of too offer people. But few people ever give you the chance to get to this point! Its always good to know there are other people in the same boat as me. Even though at an intellectual level you know you're not unique in the universe it's damn hard on emotional level to not feel isolated and kind of freakish! At the age of 28 I'd kind of given up the notion of finding someone compatible enough to build any kind of happy long-term relationship with. Reading this makes me think otherwise! Thanx very much for that! |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by Atri on Monday October 25, @03:32AM EST (#588) (User Info) |
| Oops forgot (hey it is 4:00am)if you'd like to drop a line my e-mail is: aodatd@yahoo.com |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:25PM EST (#327) |
| I am interested in people who like thinking. Exactly! So few people seem to understand how much pleasure there can be in just thinking. Mental passivity is extremely repugnant to me, but it's a dominant theme in our society. Most people seem content to let their minds slip down the channels carved out by pop culture, not once turning a critical eye on their world, stopping to reinterpret what they see, or attempting to create something new from the elements around and within them. Not everyone is comfortable with a partner who can mentally challenge them, either. I suspect that most people approach potential relationships looking to be both comfortable and excited, but only "excited" in a safe and controllable way. Or to put it another way: the more weird/cranky/independent/introspective you are, the more tolerance you require from any potential partner. I require a lot of tolerance. heh. Introversion is a rough barrier to overcome. Later in a relationship it's great to be able to spend time together without having to constantly interact, esp. on a verbal level, but it takes a lot of security at first to believe that the person you're dating is happy to be with you when he/she doesn't seem to want to interact. Hell, it's hard to even tell if he/she is attracted to you if he/she doesn't say anything. (So speaks the man illiterate in body language) I, personally, cycle between sociability and complete introversion, which drives my girlfriend nuts. Not everone understands that a lack of desire to speak doesn't signify anger/hatred/boredom. Sometimes interaction is just an irritant, no matter how much you care about the other person. Personal space is a big issue in any relationship, and the more you want, the harder it generally seems to be to work things out. Anyway, Miss AC, if you're reading this, don't sweat rob's comments too much. Spending evenings at home working on projects sounds great to me, and I suspect it does to many of the other geeks out there. Not all geek guys are looking for "mama", which is what the women he's describing sound like to me. On a barely-related note: (rambling on) Sex drive and desire for companionship are two separate urges, at least as far as I can tell. The idealized combination of the two seems to be what we term "romantic love". The unfortunate reality in my experience is that while we all have friends who we love dearly but would not want to have sex with, we also meet people with whom we couldn't stand an evening alone, but who cause the primordial lizard king who reigns over the shadowy, fossilized portions of our hindbrain to jump up and down screaming "Screw! Screw! Screw!". I won't go so far as to say that our brains are completely hardwired, and I suspect that most of us have had the experience of becoming more attracted physically to a person as we got to know them better personally, but there's always that first visual and/or verbal impression to deal with. Lots of people end up compromising by pairing up with someone who they find physically attractive and who they can stand living with, but still spend their happiest hours out hanging out with their other friends. It's not the greatest solution, but it seems rather common. Too lazy to log in zeke |
| Re:Women. (Score:2, Informative) by chocolate pi on Sunday October 24, @10:46PM EST (#506) (User Info) |
| I'm a first-year college student, and I've proudly called myself a geekgirl since the first time I heard the term used. What I seem to have noticed in general relationships, not even romantic ones, is that as long as I can be big-eyed and say "uhuh" to whatever someone deigns to give me advice on, and not let on that I've read the manual and the documentation, sometimes I'll get good answers to questions. But the minute they walk into my dorm room and see me happily coding away or [oh horrors] playing Quake, I become an intimidating presence. It's the old "She's smart for a woman, how'd she get that way" bit again. Yes, I am introverted, but the coolest guys I meet are too. The best conversations I've had since Orientation all began "FreeBSD or Linux?" or "What'd you think of Ender's Game?", never "Where're you from?" or "What's your major?" I don't think I'm that threatening, either as a girl/woman or as a geek, so smile and say hi! just my random thoughts... |
| Question. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @12:05AM EST (#543) |
| I have a question to ask other 'geek girls'. am I the only one who has problems with the misconception that I'm just 'one of the guys'. Because of my interests in programming, hardware and gaming most men I've run into think of me as some sort of exception to women (essentially, they see me as an oddity, as a guy in a woman's body). Is this typical among 'geek girls' or am I indeed just an oddity? |
| Re:Question. (Score:1) by treat on Monday October 25, @12:51AM EST (#560) (User Info) |
| I think it's typical, it's how I treat geek girls, and it's one of the reasons I like to be around them. You're the first I've heard complain, every other time I have heard a girl talk about how they're considered "just one of the guys", they consider it quite positive. Don't think of it as being considered an oddity, or a guy in a woman's body. Think of it as being regarded as highly as a male could possibly think of a female. |
| Just one of the guys (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @02:44AM EST (#578) |
| Oh yeah, all of the time. I've even had some of the guys I work with tell me that. Kind of crushing to an occasionally traditional geek gal (so I'd like a guy ... what's wrong with that?) who sees other geeks as being her type. Now I just work on trying not to like any of the guys I work with (at least in that way). Too frustrating! |
| Re:Question. (Score:1) by chialea (chialea@hotmail.com) on Monday October 25, @03:00AM EST (#580) (User Info) http://169.229.85.118/ |
| I've had the same problem. ordinarily, it's not a problem at all, but when the guy you're semi-dating says "I think of you as a guy" you've really got to wonder if you need to start wearing tighter shirts or something. actually, most guys I know now seem to realize instantly that I'm female and STILL be able to hold an intellegent conversation with me without drooling! that's the happy medium I've been going for :) (especially since I've got my own geekguy -- and I only need one, thank you very much) on a side note, a lot of guyfriends pointed out this article and made offended noises to me. so it's not just dem women who are getting mad... Lea |
| Re:Question. (Score:1) by Harri on Monday October 25, @05:22AM EST (#607) (User Info) |
| Yep. In most cases I'm quite glad... The solution for me: I met my (geek) guy while pursuing a completely different interest, not quite so gender biased. Trying this approach tends to weed out those geeks who are TOO obsessed for their own (and your) good. If you care. |
| Re:Question. (Score:1) by deacent on Monday October 25, @08:32AM EST (#639) (User Info) |
No, you're not an oddity. It can be frustrating to be seen as something other than "just one of the guys" when you really want a romantanic relationship. Especially when the guys that you're hanging with (or at least a subset of them) are the ones you consider datable. The good news is that a romantic relationship is possible. The bad news is that you have to overcome the introvertedness and let them know in no uncertain terms that you're interested. You might risk losing that person as a friend, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. I ended up marrying my best friend, but I had to kiss him one night, just out of the blue. We had a very close, platonic relationship at the time, so I'm not recommending this for everyone, but it felt right at the time. -Jennifer |
| Re:Question. (Score:1) by hcannon on Monday October 25, @10:31AM EST (#654) (User Info) |
| Absolutely. On the other hand, as a 'geekgirl', I'm a bit of an oddity in that I dress up, wear makeup, etc. which leads people who first meet me to assume that I'm tech-illiterate. I've read some of the other responses, which indicate other geekgirls who like that they're thought of as one of they guys. Yes, I like that too in that there's much less fakeness involved in my friendships with the guys. They don't try to impress me or avoid making the kinds of jokes they make with other guys, etc. But! HELLO! I *am* female. I *am* interested in dating. And I'm picky - I pretty much only WANT to date the "geeks". Yet, they complain to me about not being able to find a girlfriend and it doesn't even seem to occur to them that here I am, very similar to they type of woman they're saying they're looking for. It's weird. It's irritating. I agree with the original poster who "blames" some of the problem on being introverted, too. Oh well. |
| Re:Question. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @10:48AM EST (#664) |
| No, I have the opposite reaction. Guys see me as an exception as well; but it seems to be of the 'redheaded goddess' variety. (Only the redheaded part has anything to do with reality.) I think you probably are exceptional; I've never found another woman into gaming! Except on /., of course... |
| confidence, self respect (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @12:58PM EST (#692) |
| No, you are certainly not the only one in the world, but you might be the only one within 100 miles. :) :) Only 15% CS students are women. I'd say about 1/4 of that are true geeks. That's 3.75 in 100 students! And your average CS department graduates about 30-70 (probably no more than 100) students a year. That yeilds 1-3 hardcore geek girls like yourself in your year in your college. Therefore the other 85% -- CS geek guys see you as an oddity, as an exception to women. Because they probably haven't had the chance to meet more of us. But let me ask you -- how do YOU view _yourself_? I think it's important to build a confident self image. We have to be comfortable with how we view ourself first. Gaining self respect, is also part of growing up, and will help our peers become more mature. It'll educate our guy friends/classmates/co-workers//.ters more than anything else on the subject of HOWTO-respect-geek-girls, if they haven't learned. :) Have you seen posts like I have a wonderful girlfriend who codes and I know other girls who also are awesome engineers...? That's an enlightened soul, thanks to one of us. :) Go geek girls! Yea!! |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:41PM EST (#219) |
| Well... with computers, if I can't get every feature I want, I just don't get a new computer. That's why I'm still using an Altair here (this message was toggled in). |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @05:32PM EST (#366) |
| And you still have your 4th grade girlfriend? ;-) |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by Lissell (lrlongx@nrst.net) on Sunday October 24, @02:12PM EST (#243) (User Info) |
| Comming from a rather young techi female, some of you may not be applicable to this. My world is not computers. Yeah i have a very computer oriented job and go to a very computer oriented school. But i dont care if the guy im with is. Its definatly a bonus though. I like geeks, there great in bed and dont like makeup (yeah). What i dont like is a geek guy who tries to fix it for me every time i get confused writting C code. Yeah, i want things explained when i dont understand them, but im not an idiot. The main problem i have found with most geek guys is that they really do want to show off. I dont want him to show off. I want him to explain the occaisional thing and NOT criticize my decisions. Especially about computers. Its a hard world out there and if the >18 guys out there want decent girls they have to learn that. The internet community is very accepting of fems but in the real world it isnt so. I spent two years not knowing what a .bat file was. I had never had to use one. DOS was somthing i used to run C test programs. If i wanted command line i would go use the unix box under my desk. Durring those two years many of my male coworkers had explaind to me .bat files. But i still didnt know what one was. Finally a female coworker asked me to write some for her. I asked how to do it and she showed me how. Durring the entire two eyars not a single male coworker had told me that you just put DOS commands in text file and run it in DOS. Not a single one. They had all given me the explanation that it runs mutiple DOS commands from one file. Well thats great, but how. The point gentlmen is that we are not idiots, and prefer to be treated like peers. When we ask what appears to be stupid question, it isnt a sign of weekness. Knowledge comes by asking questions, and my boyfriend at least always answers them, and isnt afraid to say he doesnt know. Thats another key. If your a programmer and perl god, im not going to expect you to explain the intricacies of RAM to me. But you might know. So i will ask, you arented expected to give the perfect answer, just a simple "im not sure" will do. It doenst change my view. Learn me well enough to know that. My darling SO has learned these things. Along with little lessons along the lines of "That ergo keyboard you ot my for me birthday is great, I needed one. But could you have wrapped it first? Maybe with a card and somthing nice written inside". Little things matter, but most off all respect. Besides, when your GF feels respected, she is a heck of a lot more fun in bed. I think ive rambled enough. Happy hunting boys. |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:16PM EST (#323) |
| I find it a tad curious that you assume sexism to be the cause of less-than-adequate responses to "what [appear] to be stupid [questions]." I don't bother explaining every step unless someone asks me to, be they male or female. The simple fact that you encounter a lot of gender bias in this industry does not me that we all think you're stupid. |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by Lissell (lrlongx@nrst.net) on Sunday October 24, @07:03PM EST (#410) (User Info) |
| Most of the guys who gave me less than usefull answers happened to be 20+ years older then me. Im 17 as of tomorrow. It isnt always a gender thing, they have never been chauvenistic to my face. Its just hard for most of them, who have been working for my company for most of the 20+ years, to believe i know what im doing. They look at me and see their teenage daughters, not a fellow coworker. Its somthing im pretty used to. When i start my new internship at a local college Ill have to deal with same thing. Life happens, you deal. The thing is that, in my experience, most younger guys, when faced with a technical question by a girl, will try and explain it to her whether they know the answer or not. Most of the older men on the other hand have given me the general low level answers that they are used to giving everyone who askes an annoying question. Its easier to get the techie fems to view you as an equal. They actually had to fight for their jobs, mine was handed to me, there used to supporting newbies. And certainly not all males are like this. My SO taught me everything i know about linux. I learned HTML from some of the male seniors at school with out any problems. I also learned C from a very helpfull college friend of mine, who happens to be male. They have all been wonderfull, but each one has occaisionally given me a funny answer when i didnt ask my question in the right syntax. I guess the point i was trying to make was that most fem geeks(or techs) really prefer a guy who views them as an itellectual equal. This is somthing everyone, even fems, have to learn how to do. And the younger you are, the harder it is. We humans like feeling superior. I may have just made a complete feminazi out of myself for this, but oh well. This is a brutal industry, and sometimes, you have to bite. |
| Re:Women. (Score:2) by Bill Currie (bill@taniwha.org) on Sunday October 24, @08:21PM EST (#442) (User Info) http://www.taniwha.org/ |
I may have just made a complete feminazi out of myself for this, but oh well.Not at all (IMHO), for two reasons: you treated the other person with respect and you are after respect as an equal. AIUI, feminazi are not after euality, but rather superiority. Sure, as you said, we all like the fealing of superiority, but a world made up of different equals (ie equal in caliber, but still individuals) would be a much better place. This makes me think of the Ghandi(?) quote someone has here on /. (could be one of the fortunes): imbalance of power corrupts, monopoly of power corrupts absolutely. This applies eqally well to male/female relationships and national/international politics. That mutual respect is what I was looking for, and found in my wife (though we have some rough edges, mostly my fault as some of my values are incompatable with hers but hers are okay with me). |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by Alphix (david@2gen.com) on Sunday October 24, @08:37PM EST (#448) (User Info) |
| It's very, very, very hard to balance the abstraction and technical level of an answer to someone when it's a topic as wide and deep as computers. If somone asks me something at work (How does XYZ work, whats that, whats this) it's always a challenge to know what to include and what to keep out of the answer. Some people might say...."but if your coworker who's got a degree in yada-da-da and has been working with dii-dum for two years, of course you know approx how much he/she knows" and the answer is....of course not....some people have been working with the same thing all their life (and have a very narrow but deep field of expertise) or have very nice education on paper (but not in their head)....what I'm saying is that before you actually know the person asking the question...been working with him/her for a while etc. you have no idea if the person asking the question: "But if I have RAM in my computer what do I need cache for" is expecting A) The RAM is a biiiiig and slow warehouse and the cache is a small and fast one with lots of people working in it B) Two blueprints, one of a PC100 SDRAM and one of a pipeline burst cache memory module C) Something else So the hesitance and "incorrect level" of the answers doesn't have to be gender-related.... If I don't make any sense it's because english isn't my native language! :) (I love hiding behind that fact) //David "Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company." -- Mark Twain |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @10:04PM EST (#482) |
| I have yet to see you say "I sat down and figured out X by experience, or by reading up on it, etc." You seem to use others as your sole source of help, which inevitably leads to newbie-type questions that sound like the same stupid shit they hear every day. Perhaps this is why they think of you as an intellectual inferior, because true or false, you come across as lazy when you don't seem to know how or care enough to find your own answers and then ask others about more complex problems that aren't in standard texts. |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by Lissell (lrlongx@nrst.net) on Monday October 25, @12:12AM EST (#545) (User Info) |
| I figured out backups by myself. I figured out SQL and Oracle databases by myself. 95% of what i know about C was self taught. The same goes for hardware. With the exception of microprocessors wich im still trying to find a decent book on. DOS is one of those things i never really played with. By the time i got involved with computers Win95 had already come out, and Unix was a much cooler command line OS. W95 doesnt really use DOS all that much. At least not for what i was doing. Because they need me to start using them at work i have since goneo ut and boughten a nice little book on the wonder that is DOS, with a nice sized section on cool .bat tricks. When i started i asked a lot of stupid questions, and got equivilant answers. The most memorable being the time i asked my best friend what "that" was. I was pointing to the proccessor and expecting somthing like "pentium 166" or an equivilant. HE went into a detailed description of overclocking. Needless to say it was way above my head and i was to shy to say so. I have since gotten better at asking questions, wich means i get better answers. But not always, and of course improvment is always happening. And as for asking inanely stupid questions of my coworkers: I am constantly being asked to do things ive never done. My manager does this so I can learn, thats her job, unfortunatly most of the people she sicks me on to learn dont know that. She tells them "lissell doesnt have any familiarity with Apache, you will have to teach her" and they just let it slide over. Wich means i get to ask stupid questions. ;-) But i am learning, i do so everyday. If i wasnt, they wouldnt be keeping me. |
| Absolutely! (Score:1) by Cactus_03 on Monday October 25, @11:40AM EST (#682) (User Info) |
| Questions should be banned. Conversation too. Everyone should be locked in the basement with 300 computing books, a box of tools and pieces of a computer. No network connection allowed: too social. |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by fidel (mhummel@pcug^SPAM.org.au) on Sunday October 24, @09:09PM EST (#459) (User Info) |
| Obviously your [male?] cow-orkers were your typical patronising MS loving, football playing jerks... If they had at all used *nix, they would have told you that .bat files were sorta like shell scripts on unix, only far inferior... ;) (This had better be moderated as flamebait...) |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:45PM EST (#533) |
| When we answer more than what your question asks, we are just trying to be nice to you, and give you as much information as we can. If you think us guys (at least me) thinks that females are inferior, you are totally wrong. We are just trying to be polite. Now if it's a guy asking me the same question, I would probably tell him to fuck off or RTFM, etc. I wouldn't waste my time explaining things in detail. That's not because I think he is smart enough to figure out himself. Its because I don't give a damn about him. The point is, we are just trying to be nice to you. If you think otherwise, that's unfortunate. Now you women should fix your emotional unstability problems and being so unpredictable. We try hard to make you happy, but a lot of the times you interpret that the other way. |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by Lissell (lrlongx@nrst.net) on Monday October 25, @12:26AM EST (#550) (User Info) |
| I know, thats what makes my SO such an endearing fellow. He always gives me more then what i have asked for. And most of the time its great. I get to learn new things from him, and he gets to teach me. On occaision i do the teaching (He knows nothing of programming) and we both enjoy it. But on occaision, i really do want the short answer. Just out of curiosity, Is anyone reading this familiar with gender based thought patterns? I kinda wonder if it has an effect on how people choose there mates? Do we go for people with patterns similar to our own or so we select people as different as possible? Or is that somthing you can really even tell about a person? So many questions, so many answers. |
| Re:Women. (Score:1) by Harri on Monday October 25, @05:30AM EST (#610) (User Info) |
| The guys I know quickly learned that, just like anyone else, there is stuff I can teach them and stuff they can teach me. So they respect that and don't seem to have a problem asking me for help, or conversely, explaining things in a way I'll understand. Maybe I'm just lucky. I've had people sound patronising because I don't know something obvious, but never because I'm female. |
| Re:Women. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @04:41PM EST (#701) |
| Surprisingly enough, I agree totally with the whole computers is not my life scenario. Personally I thought that another male like myself would have mentioned this, but I think i might be alone on this one. Most of the women/ladies/girrlz/girls i have come accross (mostly non techie) really can't stand it when you talk nothing except computers ALL day. On my end of things i love talking about computers, techie stuff, etc.. BUT not all the time! I went out with a techie girl before, nothing fancy just a double major physics/compsci. My only complaint with her was, her life was school/computers/physics and that was it. After a while, she couldn't talk about anything else. It got very frustrating, and repetive. So i kinda know where your comeing from on that aspect. For your information Lissell, not all geek types abhore makeup, and some geek types even like it ;-) When done in good tase of course. That means not applying it with a spatchula. NOTE: If you can wake up in the morning and look at your SO without makeup and not run away screaming, then it's love, a resonable facsimilie, or you forgot to wear your glasses. Unfortunately most geek guys try to impress any female when she asks for some tech help, and in my case i would probably ramble on about the intricate details about how something works. (yeah it's a bad habit, i'm learning to sum things up, but old habits die hard) I will have to say one thing though, if i don't know, then i will let that person know.. and direct them to where they can find info about it. What i find most ironic in my life, is that while i have never really had a girfriend, most of my friends are women. I am what you would call a "good friend". Most of them now are either married, engaged or have boyfriends of their own. (and yes i still keep in touch with them as often as i can) My biggest problem is not if i like someone, but if they can put up with me. let me try to sum this up: 24 hyperactive: on a constant sugar high (and no i don't take any drugs except coffee on occasion) Most female non-techies are scared of me, because they think i'm some geeky brain, or some hyper freak. Most of my freinds are in this catagory. And they are the rare few that acutally were able to put up with me. The techie females tend (unfortunatly) be introverts,which i get along with fine. Unfortunately they just don't talk back enough except behind a computer screen (and yes i do stop to let them speak, despite my tendency to ramble). I have come accross many techie females are quite outgoing, but they all were either 35+ years old (sorry i'm only 24), married, or have a boyfriend. The only other people i get along with are people who scare me. (and that is very hard to do) I'm not looking for miss practically perfect in every way, but someone who can put up with me and my quirks, as well as me putting up with their's. I have some standards that probably make my life difficuilt when i'm looking for somebody: - must have a cute smile. - put up with me. - not be a luddite. - be able to hold an intellegent conversation. - not look like medusa (i've seen some that come too close for my tastes..ewwww) - like snow (i'm an avid skiier, but they don't have to ski; snoboarder, toboggener, snowball thrower, etc. will do) Personally if she's geek, cool someone i can talk shop with now and then. If not, hey it doesn't bother me one bit. I'm really looking for someone who i can just sit and just hold her. Sometimes just look at her and stare into her eyes, no words nessasary. I know, I know, it sounds corney, but that's just me i guess. They best way to explain what i'm looking for would be the lyrics to the song Somebody my Depeche Mode. I want somebody to share, share the rest of my life. Share my innermost thoughts, know my intimate details. someone who'll stand by my side, and give me support. and in return she'll get my suport. she will listen to me, when i want to speak about the world we live in and life in general though my views may be wrong, they may even be perverted. she'll hear me out and won't easily be converted to my way of thinking in fact she'll often disagree in the end of it all, she will understand me. I want somebody who cares for me passionetly with every thought and with every breath someone who'll help me see things in a different light all the things i detest i will almost like i don't want to be tied to anyone's strings i'm carefully trying to steer clear of those things but when i'm asleep i want somebody who'll put there arms around and kiss me tenderly (please no comments on having this song almost memorized, I really don't want to hear about it) Honestly from my endevors, it doesn't matter whether your geek, or she is. It's all the same for everbody. There are those that are so engrossed in their work, that thay ignore simple things like.. oh say... relationships. I just happens that most geeky professions appeal to alot of the introverted. Well that's my $.02, unfortunately it seems i've shelled out $2.75. Oh well! Keep the change. signed, hopeless romantic ps - umm my nick LordHighBinary is not as egotistical as it may sound. It involed a C project for an algo class, lost of binary level manipulation, and a nosey brother in law who said "geesh, your not done yet! Well when you get done with it your going to be the lord of the binaries. HA HA!" pss - I feel like i just sent Dear Abby a letter. geesh! |
| "Geek" girls (Score:1) by Luke B. Bishop (nanosoft@nanosoft.hypermart.net) on Sunday October 24, @02:29PM EST (#256) (User Info) http://nanosoft.hypermart.net/ |
Am I the only one here who has had a positive experience with a "geek" girl? I find that extrordinarily strange, and almost disturbing. I had to deal with more than my share of the usual geek shyness when I was young, worse than most in fact, because I started programming when I was only 5, and grew up in a small outport town... Then, somehow, I miraculously found somebody who was almost as obsessed with computers as me. Compete? Nah, the solution to that is TO GET A DAMN SECOND COMPUTER, and NETWORK them. Since I had all the above, we actually collaborated rather well. The trick is to NOT engage in a "battle of the sexes" but just to act like normal hackers coding up a storm. It especially helps if the computers are all in the bedroom ;) And somebody who has been so badly isolated throughout life, if they can open up, tends to be the most loving people you will ever meet. Especially if you have the same experience. Anyways, that relationship had no immediate end in sight, but I went back to university... Still, at the current rate, we'll get back together after I graduate. Anyways, I've rambled... But still, am I the ONLY one around here with a positive experience in the "geek" circle? -- Luke B. Bishop, Senior Software Engineer, Nanosoft, Inc. |
| Re:"Geek" girls (Score:1) by cdlu (canada@spamless.geecs.org) on Sunday October 24, @04:15PM EST (#319) (User Info) http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~canada |
| No. I have had two successful relationships with geek females. One unsuccessful relationship with a non-geek, and that's my sum total. I have no patience for stupid people (arrogantly assuming i'm not dense) and as such, geek girls are perfect matches for me. Separation only by distance with no end in sight to the separation is all that killed my most recent relationship. [3] + Stopped /root/slashdot |
| Re:"Geek" girls (Score:1) by thopkins on Sunday October 24, @08:59PM EST (#457) (User Info) |
| How can you have two successful relationships? If you had one it'd have to end for the second one to begin, in which care it wouldn't be successful. -- ICQ: 15630316 |
| Re:"Geek" girls (Score:1) by cdlu (canada@spamless.geecs.org) on Sunday October 24, @09:36PM EST (#468) (User Info) http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~canada |
| It was good while it lasted, but we eventually drifted apart. As do most early high school relationships. We were together a good while though. [3] + Stopped /root/slashdot |
| Re:"Geek" girls (Score:1) by MarkCC on Monday October 25, @10:38AM EST (#660) (User Info) |
| Don't view things in such an absolute fashion. It's not the case that every "successful" relationship ends up in marriage. I can think of numerous cases among my friends where a long happy relationship broke up, but where the former couple remained close friends. I consider that a successful relationship, even though it ended. |
| Re:"Geek" girls (Score:1) by Spire on Monday October 25, @05:00AM EST (#602) (User Info) |
| Death? |
| The grass is always greener... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @09:15PM EST (#461) |
| I would like to remind everyone that there is no universal answer for finding Mr or Ms. Perfect. Very true. It seems that most single people over 25 are trying to get married, but if you can't find the right person, its not worth the pain. I know people (both men and women) who married the wrong person, and they're in living hell. The key is to be happy where you're at. If you can find someone like Robin did, then great. If you can't, its no big deal; don't waste the rest of your life being miserable about it. |
| One satisfied geek girl.... (Score:2, Insightful) by nano-second (fetid@swamp.bog) on Sunday October 24, @10:34PM EST (#501) (User Info) |
I think too much attention seems to be focused on finding someone. You've gotta be able to enjoy life on your own before you can enjoy it with someone else. I am a geek girl in a happy relationship with a geek guy. We both spend time doing geeky stuff, but we know when we need to spend time with eachother too. (to be redundant, I must reiterate... just because we are geeks, doesn't mean we are inconsiderate bastards). As with many geeks, my high school experience was not a terrible success. I had friends, but I was certainly not a desirable candidate for the gf role. So what? I learned a lot of cool stf, and made some good friends. When I came to university, I didn't look to find an SO... I looked to find friends. And being in the minority of a cs program at univ, all of my friends are guys. They are equals. And one of my friends became my bf. It wasn't a forced manhunt, it was a natural attraction between two equals, two individuals, two multi-talented-interesting people. And that's why it works so well. We can respect eachothers headspace. We are friends. The things I wanted fufilled weren't rigorous or difficult. I wanted an equal, who treated me as an equal, who was fun to be with, and made me smile. Someone I just felt really good being around. That sort of natural attraction that can't be manufactured. Intelligence and personality were truly the most important. There are other geek girls AND non-geek girls like this. If someone is really worth being with, they won't care that you don't look like the ideal wo/man. And you'd be surprised how attractive most people really are, once you drop the idea of prefection. ;) |
| Low volume INTP list (Score:1) by rodent on Tuesday October 26, @01:57AM EST (#729) (User Info) |
| For those that are introverted like myself (and there are many in this thread) and enjoy good discussions, I run a fairly low volume list for INTP's. Drop an email to intp-request@ciredata.com with "subscribe" (sans quotes) in the subject line.
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| Right on. (Score:1) by blalor (GabbaGabbaHey@HCIRisc.CS.Binghamton.Edu) on Sunday October 24, @11:26AM EST (#5) (User Info) http://hcirisc.cs.binghamton.edu/~blalor/ |
| Well said, man. -bjl |
| Can we make this into a HOWTO? (Score:2, Funny) by thegrommit on Sunday October 24, @11:27AM EST (#7) (User Info) |
| Or at least get the Mozilla team to add an about: link to it :) Maybe time for a new poll - how many male /. readers have been out on more than two dates with the same woman? |
| Re:Can we make this into a HOWTO? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:29PM EST (#201) |
| Me |
| Re:Can we make this into a HOWTO? (Score:1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @02:10PM EST (#241) |
| maybe just a man page... |
| Re:Can we make this into a HOWTO? (Score:1) by Julius X (cpalmer@nospam.vt.edu) on Sunday October 24, @03:14PM EST (#289) (User Info) http://fbox.vt.edu:10021/C/cpalmer/ |
That perhaps could be the man page to explain what happens when you enter the mysterious command:
At last an explanation! :-) Cliff Palmer, Jr. ActiveNetwork |
| Re:Can we make this into a HOWTO? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @05:36PM EST (#368) |
| make love make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop. Yep, explains my life : ) |
| Re:Can we make this into a HOWTO? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @03:12AM EST (#583) |
| man woman? hahaha |
| Re:Can we make this into a HOWTO? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @09:02AM EST (#650) |
| And in reference to the gay thread above this I got the strangest look when I told a user to; man mount Oh well still not as funny as when a user told me the window he was in was; Exploring a colon. I thought I'd about die laughing. |
| Maby a man page? (Score:1) by The Creator (root@internic.net) on Monday October 25, @05:21AM EST (#606) (User Info) http://fmf.webprovider.com |
| When in doubt, just type: man woman LINUX stands for: Linux Inux Nux Ux X UNIX stands for: UNIversal eXperts operating system |
| Re:Can we make this into a HOWTO? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @07:05AM EST (#621) |
| Me too! ;-) |
| How to pick up on chicks, by roblimo. (Score:1) by Pyr (doctorwho(at)thegrid(net)) on Sunday October 24, @11:28AM EST (#8) (User Info) http://tofproject.org |
| 1. Hang out in #aftery2k for hours at a time 2. hit on Nitrozac all night 3. Tell all the geek guys about your exploits with women as a cabdriver 3. Tell everyone you're not here to brag about chicks, you're here to help everyone get laid. |
| Re:How to pick up on chicks, by roblimo. (Score:1) by roblimo (roblimo.nojunk@slashdot.org) on Sunday October 24, @11:35AM EST (#18) (User Info) http://andovernews.com/bio_miller.html |
| and 4: don't take any of this too seriously, especially anything between me and Nitrozac. That's a silly game, nothing more. My wife often looks over my shoulder while I'm working or chatting or whatever. She works at home, right next to me. - Robin |
| Re:How to pick up on chicks, by roblimo. (Score:1) by Nitrozac (nitrozac@geekculture.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:15PM EST (#86) (User Info) http://www.geekculture.com/geekycomics/Aftery2k/aftery2kmain.html |
| I have to agree with Roblimo, I took it as a joke, not seriously at all. :) It was especially funny, how everyone got far more excited and exhuberant when the topic turned to MODEMS! :D |
| Re:How to pick up on chicks, by roblimo. (Score:1) by Pyr (doctorwho(at)thegrid(net)) on Sunday October 24, @12:32PM EST (#106) (User Info) http://tofproject.org |
| mm.. MODEMS.. whee! heh, I was just giving our favorite resident #aftery2k internet celebrity/dirty old man a hard time. and not like that! |
| Re:How to pick up on chicks, by roblimo. (Score:1) by Pengveen on Sunday October 24, @02:22PM EST (#251) (User Info) |
| Joke or not- a lot of truths are spoken in jest. He said a lot that would have made a big difference in my life 5 years ago. |
| Re:How to pick up on chicks, by roblimo. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:18PM EST (#181) |
| What server? |
| One secret! (Score:2, Funny) by Montressor on Sunday October 24, @11:29AM EST (#9) (User Info) |
| There is only one thing to keep a woman yours: Oral sex and lots of it. |
| Re:One secret! (Score:1) by w3woody (woody@alumni.caltech.edu) on Sunday October 24, @11:48AM EST (#37) (User Info) http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~woody |
| *sigh* Not always. Some women dislike oral sex, as do some men. Actually, conversation works better than sticking body parts into your mouth... |
| Re:One secret! (Score:2, Insightful) by Loudog (alphageek@doghaus.org) on Sunday October 24, @12:51PM EST (#139) (User Info) http://www.doghaus.org |
| Conversation is the true secret, and I am baffled as to why more people don't know about it. If you start interacting with a potential S.O. and you look up 4 hours later and ask, "Have we been talking that long?" you are onto something. It doesn't matter what you were talking about -- coding or sex or the best way to finish a bookshelf -- as long as you are both interested. My happy marriage is just a continuation of that first long conversation I had with her. 6 years and one kid, and going strong. |
| moderate this guy up, please (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @09:18PM EST (#463) |
| If you start interacting with a potential S.O. and you look up 4 hours later and ask, "Have we been talking that long?" you are onto something. This is a very profound truth. Trying to talk more won't fix a bad relationship, but this talking-for-four-hours thing is a very reliable sign that things are on the right track. IIRC, studies have been done on this: Marraiges that last are between friends. Regardless of studies, it's been my own experience, too. My girlfriend and I yap endlessly, sometimes about things that matter but often about total crap. We like the way each others' minds work. We're find each other interesting above the neck as well as below. Oral sex is a still good idea, though :) |
| I suppose IRC doesn't count... n/t (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @09:37PM EST (#469) |
| perhaps multiply by 4 for IRC hours... |
| Re:One secret! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:30PM EST (#329) |
| Read my book on the subject. It's called 'Oh, please shut up, honey... you're much nicer that way' |
| Cover all bases. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @10:05PM EST (#483) |
| ...conversation works better than sticking body parts into your mouth... The best of both worlds is talking about sticking body parts into each others' mouths -- and then doing it, of course. And then feeding the cat and throwing water balloons out the window at the neighbors' dog. Togetherness in a relationship involves more than just sex. You have to engage in a wide range of activities before and after sex -- and sometimes even during sex! Here are a few other fun date ideas to get you started:
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| Oh, dammit, dammit . . . Mea culpa. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @10:08PM EST (#487) |
| ". . . choose between the following fun activities:" Wrong, wrong, wrong! "Between" is correct only when there are exactly two options. It should have been "among". This is how God punishes me for not proofreading. God, that's embarrassing. Oh, Jesus, how many 'r's in "embarrassing", anyway? Urk, urk. |
| Dammit, pt 2: "vengeance" (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:04PM EST (#512) |
| I mistyped "vengeance". "Vengenace", my ass. God, I'm an idiot tonight. |
| Re:Cover all bases. (Score:1) by w3woody (woody@alumni.caltech.edu) on Monday October 25, @01:05AM EST (#564) (User Info) http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~woody |
The best of both worlds is talking about sticking body parts into each others' mouths... Keep in mind when I wrote what I did, I was also refering to the act of the original poster putting his foot into his own mouth... grin |
| *sigh* (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @04:45AM EST (#599) |
| Oh ok, I guess I'll ask first... spoilsport. |
| Re:One secret! (Score:1) by braque on Sunday October 24, @11:53AM EST (#47) (User Info) |
| That isn't a secret! |
| Yes, BUT; (Score:1) by Peale (vengnce@die-spam-die.iname.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:57AM EST (#56) (User Info) http://www.vermontel.com/~vengnce/shows/ |
| You have to be good at it. I'm sorry. What I meant to say was 'please excuse me.' what came out of my mouth was 'Move or I'll kill you!' Sorry for the misunderstanding. |
| Re:One secret! (Score:2) by Skyshadow on Sunday October 24, @12:02PM EST (#68) (User Info) |
| Are you kidding? Man, if you *really* want to keep a woman, be able to cook. Nothing impresses a woman so much as a guy who can whip up a decent meal on short notice. ---- |
| Re:One secret! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:46PM EST (#128) |
| Or tie her to a post in your basement. That should keep her around. |
| Re:One secret! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:26PM EST (#194) |
| Actually, the way I here it, women recognize TRUE LOVE in a man who ... (drum roll, please) ... will wash his own socks. Or maybe hers? Somebody's anyway.. I don't know. I've worn nothing but Tivas and Birkenstalks since 1981. I don't do socks. :o) |
| Re:One secret! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:32PM EST (#202) |
| Half right. Cooking now days is easy. Put on the gloves and clean the toilet,vacuum floor and dust. |
| (Score:1) by Gkeeper80 on Sunday October 24, @06:25PM EST (#389) (User Info) |
| my dad does all that stuff, all that means is that he's whipped. sure it keeps them around, but it's not worth it...trust me. |
| Re:One secret! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @01:03AM EST (#563) |
| True. I know the women I see sure like it when I prepare my "salami" for them. |
| Re:One secret! (Score:1) by m3000 (m3000@nospam.tampabay.rr.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:54PM EST (#142) (User Info) http://m3000.1wh.com/linux |
| Does anyone else find it humourous that the orginal poster's comment got moderated as informative? |
| Re:One secret! (Score:2) by Foogle (foogle@adelphia.net) on Sunday October 24, @04:11PM EST (#314) (User Info) |
| I didn't think it was "laugh" funny, but the first thoughts in my head were Are you for real? and then (sigh)...moderators.... There should be a retard filter for possible moderator status. It could use the NSA's software (espionage!) to figure out what people's posts were saying and then use them to decided whether or not they are a moron. "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding." |
| I thought it *was* informative. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @09:07PM EST (#458) |
| Okay, I took it as a more general point; seen from that perspective it makes a lot of sense. Seen from the nudge-nudge-wink-wink perspective (which was probably the intent) it still strikes me as true enough to be funny. Not to mention a pleasant change from the usual Beavisish attitude about women displayed on Slashdot: "Girls are too stupid to use computers! Why do girls hate me?!" Because you f*cking hate them, you moron . . . |
| I don't know about yours (Score:1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @02:50PM EST (#275) |
| But my ample chested silicon bimbo just loves it when I ram a cheese grater up her pulsating anus. Come on guys, there is not magic solution. This is like asking: How do I use a computer to do N? and expecting a single simple answer. A little tip though, if you are looking for a relationship that lasts decades, you should probably base it on something other then sex. |
| Re:I don't know about yours (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @06:58PM EST (#405) |
| But my ample chested silicon bimbo just loves it when I ram a cheese grater up her pulsating anus. The big question: do you sprinkle the results on your nachos? Sorry, I'm too embarrassed to log on. :) |
| Re:I don't know about yours (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @11:20AM EST (#678) |
| But my ample chested silicon bimbo just loves it when I ram a cheese grater up her pulsating anus. Damn. And I thought my chick was the only one who liked that kind of thing. I guess she's not such a freak after all... |
| Great article. (Score:1) by bencc99 on Sunday October 24, @11:29AM EST (#10) (User Info) |
| True anough too. However, I think that most of us actually can get laid when we want too. No, really. |
| Re:Great article. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:26PM EST (#98) |
| And I think you're being overly optimistic. Or then again, if you count paid sex it might not be. |
| Re:Great article. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @07:37PM EST (#424) |
| Are you all really this sad??? |
| Re:Great article. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @08:45AM EST (#644) |
| sad but true. |
| Re:Great article. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @10:23PM EST (#493) |
| Technically, that's true. However, there's a catch (isn't there always?) http://www.conspiracygame.com/tughou se/93.html That ought to explain it, although some of you may find it offensive. |
| Just what the doctor ordered... (Score:1) by Sharkyfour (slashdot@NOSPAM.ois.tj) on Sunday October 24, @11:30AM EST (#11) (User Info) http://www.ois.tj/~sharky/ |
| I've been having a little girl trouble lately, and I've been sorta down about it for the last few days, but that article put a huge smile on my face. Thank you Roblimo! -- fortune: cannot execute. Out of cookies. |
| nicely put (Score:1) by nicedream (moore008@gannon.edu) on Sunday October 24, @11:31AM EST (#14) (User Info) http://nopants.org |
| You've heard this before, but body language is more important than your words. Along these lines, a friend of mine swears that imitating a girls body language is a subconcious way of flirting (she won't even know its happening). Make it subtle though, not a game of simon says. One other thing...I wasn't around then, but I've been a huge Beatles fan since around 3rd grade, and always thought Paul was the cute one. Well not me personally but that's who the girls like the most, isn't it? |
| Imitating Body Language -> Building Rapport -> NLP (Score:1) by reason1024 (reason1024@yahoo.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:05PM EST (#72) (User Info) |
| There's a book somewhere in the middle of my "being read" stack (many books get added to the top, few ever get removed) called =Introducing Neuro-Linguistic Programming= by O'Connor & Seymour. The authors agree; they say that if you watch people talking who are receptive to each other, they share the same posture, gestures, and level of eye-contact. They also say that you can CREATE rapport by intentionally matching your conversation partner's state & style of communication. Check out the book, it's pretty interesting. Is it mind control? MMMMMmmmmmmaybe.... -- "Doctor Steve was a loving, caring man who wanted only the best for me. And to control my mind." -Oasis -- you're never dead until you run out of quarters |
| Re:Imitating Body Language -> Building Rapport -> (Score:5, Insightful) by marcelmouse (marcelmouse@hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @01:57PM EST (#232) (User Info) |
DISCLAIMER: I'm not a computer geek, really, but a social science geek. I rarely speak up on /. because my field of expertise is touched on so rarely. Lucky you! I'm in the middle of a ~5 year project studying flirtation behavior. The authors agree; they say that if you watch people talking who are receptive to each other, they share the same posture, gestures, and level of eye-contact. They also say that you can CREATE rapport by intentionally matching your conversation partner's state & style of communication. If you thought this was smart, please avoid books on NLP and head straight for Erving Goffman, whom you can thank for ideas like "personal space." NLP (when yanked out of the theoretical realm and applied in genuine flirty-type social situations)is fraught with silly assumptions. F'rinstance, if a girl was flirting with you, and you "intentionally match your conversation partner's state & style of communication," you are essentially emulating heteronormative female flirtation behavior, which might be endearing to a bi-punk-chick, but will almost certainly put off a girl who expects you to flirt in the manner of a straight boy, such as the old-fashioned girls cited in the article above. (Furthermore, if your Jedi mind trick actually works on the lady, think of the shame when she finds your bookmark on the "how to get laid" chapter of your silly New Age concieve-of-the-human-mind-as-a-hunk-of-programmable-silicon book.) If you really need to read about this sort of non-verbal social communication, head straight for _Interaction_Ritual_, by the aforementioned Goffman, for a chaper on (I think) "Embarassment and Social Form." oh, and BTW: sorry for the anthro jargon. Heteronormative means basically "according to norms for straight people." |
| Goffman Rocks (Score:1) by pafein (p-fein@uchicago.edu) on Sunday October 24, @06:44PM EST (#397) (User Info) http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/pafein/ |
| That is all. --Peter |
| I did a 4 year project studying flirtation too... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @10:29PM EST (#497) |
| ...every Friday night at the campus pub. I proposed hypotheses (to sometimes receptive females), did some field work (and was feeled in return), and then published my results (verbally, with male friends in the locker room). Who says engineering and social sciences are so different? |
| Re:Imitating Body Language -> Building Rapport -> (Score:1) by treat on Sunday October 24, @11:33PM EST (#525) (User Info) |
| ," you are essentially emulating heteronormative female flirtation behavior, which might be endearing to a bi-punk-chick |
| You think looking effeminate is BAD? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @04:22AM EST (#594) |
| A few REALLY good playa's I know are COMPLETELY effeminate. See, I know one guy, who I hang out regularly -- I call him The GrandMaster -- who you'd SWEAR is gay. That guy fucks AT LEAST 2 new women a week. Now, funny you should mention that, but building rapport does not mean mimicking exactly. Though ... it's incredible how far you can go without the other person noticing it. It's the same for trance words, where you feed back the mostr significant words of the other person back. Example: she mentions 'trust' several times? Say it back! And whatever important word. Most 'natural' seducers (not only sexual but commercial ones, I mean, good salespeople) do just that: they repeat -- NOT EXACTLY -- but what was important to you. Bit of conversation: Her -- I really trusted that guy. For more info, go to alt.seduction.fast. |
| He Obviously Missed Their Anniversary (Score:2, Funny) by InitZero (initzero@eurydice.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:32AM EST (#15) (User Info) http://matt.steinhoff.net/ |
Poor Rob. He missed a big date or something and Debbie is pissed. Quick! Use Slashdot to kiss up and make things right. He won't be sleeping in the doghouse tonight. Lucky guy. I'd have to buy jewelry. {grin} InitZero |
| Re:He Obviously Missed Their Anniversary (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:35AM EST (#19) |
| That's what I thought after reading about three paragraphs... -Chris |
| Re:He Obviously Missed Their Anniversary (Score:3, Insightful) by kilpatjr (kilpatjr@BADSPAM-unicum.de) on Sunday October 24, @12:37PM EST (#121) (User Info) |
| What? Show me a single self-respecting woman who would respond to this in a positive way! Allow me to sum up roblimo's wife, as he described her: She's there to hug him at his will, but leaves him alone otherwise. She cooks his meals. She rubs his shoulders. She runs bath water for him. She's no supermodel. She has big breasts (or so I assume, since he made a big deal out of it in the Teenagers Take Heart: It Gets Better section She redocorates too much, and roblimo doesn't like what she does If I were his wife, I'd be pretty pissed right now, or have no self-esteem to start with. For her sake, I hope she doesn't see the article. As for tactics on how to pick up chix: Don't bother. Treat females with the same respect you give other humans. (For some of you, it may require a bit more.) A novel concept: stay honest and try to show interest in things without microprocessors. (There is an entire world out there, and more beyond that!) To sum up, be true. Don't lie, don't embellish. If you're looking for someone to love and respect you, you have to be prepared to do the same. -noop |
| Re:He Obviously Missed Their Anniversary (Score:1) by Skamille (camille+NOSPAM@cmu.nospam.edu) on Sunday October 24, @05:18PM EST (#360) (User Info) http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~camille |
| Yeah, word to that. As a woman, I find this article incredibly patronizing both to me and to the men that this article is aimed at. I mean, do most of you guys REALLY need to read these things? Are you all so clueless that you need *Slashdot*, of all places, to teach you how to pick up women? Come ON! As for the inane comments on geek chicks, in whose ranks I consider myself to be, I have this comment: Any self respecting person, geek, female, male or otherwise, that has nothing to talk about but his or her primary work interest is a pretty lame person to hang out with. But you perhaps may find that it's nice to be able to talk to your SO about details of your work/school that someone that does not share those interests would be bored by. Trust me, geek women can be there for you just as much as non-geek women can. Don't buy into these stupid generalizations unless you want women buying into stupid generalizations about geek guys. And let's keep slashdot from turning into a version of Cosmo for geeks. |
| Re:He Obviously Missed Their Anniversary (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @07:28PM EST (#419) |
| "Geek women can be there for you just as much as non-geek women can". Exactly! How did roblimo get the notion that if your geek girl is furiously programming or posting on Slashdot, she must be overtaken by competitive spirit and will turn you away when you need a hug. I bet she would be more than happy to _collaborate_, not _compete_, with you. As a female programmer, I can attest that my ideal of "geeky" pastime would be about collaboration and sharing of knowledge and ideas rather than competition. It's strange that this idea escaped roblimo. |
| Re:He Obviously Missed Their Anniversary (Score:1) by Mock (kstenerud@hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @08:54PM EST (#456) (User Info) |
| Are you all so clueless that you need *Slashdot*, of all places, to teach you how to pick up women? You'd be surprised. The realm of romance is to me a completely foreign element. It's like being thrust into a far-off country where the language and customs are so completely alien as to paralyze you. I wander about in this maze, trying to find a way of participating, but when someone tries to explain it, they explain it in that language that I don't understand. All the time, I have friends give me advice like "just be yourself", and "just look for the signals" and other such things. Apparently, women will do things in their comportment and manner of speech and even physical positioning to show that she's interested, but I wouldn't pick it up unless she jumped on me. I mean, you spend your adolescence reading these trashy magazines where the women are in obvious sultry poses, and suddenly you realize that no girls are doing that to you. By the time you enter adulthood, you realize that the magazines were only a fantasy, but you are still completely baffled about the reality that IS there. When I am with a girl, I spend so much time petrified with fear that I'm going too far, that I end up turning into a cold fish (which is even worse). I always feel like I'm trying to make a crystal figurine with a sledgehammer. |
| Re:He Obviously Missed Their Anniversary (Score:1) by enol on Monday October 25, @01:07AM EST (#565) (User Info) |
| Yes yes! I think you've hit the mark. Last time it was the "How to keep nerds away" article and now this? I know relationship/love life is a huge part of people's lives but...it's something you *have* to learn on your own (not try to follow a HOW-TO on LOVE...unfortunately, this package doesn't come with a README) I didn't like the article for the reason that I don't like articles that generalize (especially on "geeks" of any sex). The Reality might surprise you. |
| Re:He Obviously Missed Their Anniversary (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @02:54AM EST (#579) |
| Not to be overly obvious, but you go to CMU...trust me, dating tips on slashdot are appreciated. -recent grad |
| Re:He Obviously Missed Their Anniversary (Score:1) by galadriel on Monday October 25, @10:33AM EST (#657) (User Info) |
| ) stay honest and try to show interest in things without microprocessors. *Why* do I keep seeing this? (multiple places besides /., I mean) If *all* you care about is computers, then you'd be really unhappy in a relationship with someone who doesn't care for them. Shared interests in SOMEthing can make a relationship work--it doesn't have to exclude computing! If something's important to you, don't pretend it's not--any more than you'd affect an interest in (f'rinstance) sports, if you hate them. That will *NOT* help you meet the woman of your dreams. "Stay honest" is right--but being honest isn't compatible with feigning interest is something you care nothing about, or trying to ignore your real interests. Faking it will just make trouble later. But be open about your obsessions :) whatever they may be; if you try, you'll find someone who either shares the interest or at least can tolerate it, if you share another genuine interest. |
| Watch out (Score:1) by ben.b (wampa@NOSPAMethereal.net) on Sunday October 24, @11:33AM EST (#16) (User Info) http://ethereal.net/~wampa/ |
| I hope mentioning your wife's "imperfections" doesn't get you into serious trouble - I've head stories about that sort of thing - though I guess being a non-geek, she probably doesn't read Slashdot (Another plus for non-geeks: you can write about them on /.! :) |
| Re:Watch out (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 27, @01:20AM EST (#763) |
| Not true, non-geeks read this site, too... for example: me! And if my boyfriend ever writes an article like that he can put in any kind of truth he wants. ...and he can lie as long as he makes me look good...*wink* |
| Truer words... (Score:1) by moonboy (moonboynospam@linuxstart.nospam.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:35AM EST (#20) (User Info) |
| Much truth and wisdom in Roblimo's words. ---------------- "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein |
| what about this (Score:1) by NachMan16 on Sunday October 24, @11:35AM EST (#21) (User Info) http://skyscraper.fortunecity.com/quadra/267/ |
| Well, I just got to college. Should i concentrate on fulfilling my physical desires (with girls of course), or should I go out looking for that semi-perfect girl? Too many girls here either appear too stuck up or slutty for me or not ones i'd like to spend the night with. - Nacho Man 16 |
| Re:what about this (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:50AM EST (#39) |
| Get the young girls while you can. When you get older, then you can worry about finding the perfect match. Just don't be a jerk about it and tell them lies just to get them in the sack. |
| Re:what about this (Score:1) by w3woody (woody@alumni.caltech.edu) on Sunday October 24, @11:54AM EST (#48) (User Info) http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~woody |
| My personal advise: try curtain number three. That is, try dating, but without the goal of landing multiple sex partners or a future wife. Just go out and get to know a few of the girls at your college. The best strategy to finding a life partner, statistically speaking, is to date about a half-dozen to a dozen girls over the course of college (with a 'date' being as little as "hey, do you want to go out for a cup of coffee with me"), and when you find "the one", you have a good statistical likelihood that she is the optimal solution. There will also be a statistical likelihood that there will be "the one who got away"--the one who was as good as the one who you marry, but who got away. Yeah, there will be some room here to get yourself physically "satisfied". But just keep in mind that statistically speaking, married guys get more sex than single guys... |
| Re:what about this (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:09PM EST (#166) |
| *nods* Talk to people, it's GOOD. Took me forever to realize this. All through high school and college I had very bad self-image problems, but eventually I just forced myself to go out, talk to people, MAKE EYE CONTACT, and all of that. It's really quite painful when you start (what? people aren't literally repulsed by my presence? Really?), but it gets better. |
| Re:what about this (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:09PM EST (#81) |
| fulfill your physical desires!! 30 years ago, girls DID go to college to find Mr. Right, and marry him, etc... that is no longer the case. In all honesty, I've seen very few college relationships that have led to much... Personally, I went out with my last girlfriend for 3 years of my college career, but that recently ended after we graduated. After school, often too many things change for things to keep going, and i'm not even talking about location... you're in a different part of your life, and sometimes the things that kept you together don't really match up anymore. That's not to say don't try if you want to, just some advice... after all, many girls see their time in college as a good ime to try new things out and experiment, etc. and it would be a shame to miss out on that.. |
| its hard (no pun) (Score:1) by HarveyNeon (har_veee@spankspammers.hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @01:04PM EST (#158) (User Info) http://members.dencity.com/harv |
| man, if any of us knew the answer to that we wouldn't be here. we'd be off in love land getting a shoulder rub and having a bath drawn for us (or our personal equivalent heaven) all I can say is don't be a pussy (no pun) and just talk to girls, they're not all scarey or flippant. some of them are psycho hose-beasts, but for the most part they are easy to get along with. just talk to them see what you figure out by yourself. and there's always ICQ.. I'm from Canada. I've never seen an igloo. beer, eh? oui. |
| Re:what about this (Score:1) by Include on Sunday October 24, @02:32PM EST (#259) (User Info) |
| Just remember, girls who will spend the night with you ARE the sluts ( by definition ) so don't discount them :-) Morality fucks up alot of people. |
| Re:A Better Relational Ethic (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:25PM EST (#326) |
| I frequently hear women that want to have casual sex frequently termed "sluts". I belive this is not only sexist, but lacking in intelligence. Afterall, the men that sleep with "sluts" are in no better or worse moral conditions than the women. Women and men that choose to have frequent casual sex are not nessisarily immoral people. I believe that morality should be defined in the context of interpersonal relational ethics. By this I mean, what is important is kindness, and a respect for those you interact with, be it sexual or non-sexual. Our society desperately needs to find the means to respect each other and live in the confines of a respect-based morality while defineing casual consentual sex as morally acceptiable. This is designed to get all you guys (and girls, or course) a good way to get laid, but to incorperate your sexual ethic into your interpersonal ethic. These are just my thoughts, i am not infalliable, just something i think needs to be said more often :) |
| Re:what about this (Score:1) by diadian on Sunday October 24, @03:29PM EST (#299) (User Info) |
| Here are my thoughts. Get to know many girls. If you find one that you like a lot, spend more time with her. But don't get too serious about anyone just yet. Also don't just try to bed everyone that you meet. It could backfire when the sweet one that you found finds out. If you just relax and have fun you will find out that you had a wonderful college experience and you are comfortable enough with girls that you won't screw up saying hello to the one that counts. Good luck. |
| Me too, and I'm suicidally depressed. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @05:07PM EST (#356) |
| I don't understand how anyone could like college, or anything in general in life. My roommate is an annoying little fuck, and there hardly any girls who even talk to me. Maybe one girl who has a shaved head and lip rings. But the point is, I think being happy and modest is a big thing. It's hard to meet any girl when you're suicidally depressed. Anyone else notice (this is to those who are suicidally depressed) how your clear-thinking ability goes away when you're this down? I mean, I am having trouble with school now that I'm so depressed. Anyways, I don't know what else to say. Life just sucks cock 'n balls. email me at efnetbeer@beer.com if you feel the same, maybe we have something in common. |
| I hear you. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:29PM EST (#520) |
| Anyone else notice (this is to those who are suicidally depressed) how your clear-thinking ability goes away when you're this down? I mean, I am having trouble with school now that I'm so depressed. I'm not that far down right now but I have been in the past, and it's a motherfucker. You are by no means alone. Then on top of it all, you get morons telling you to "snap out of it" or "cheer up". There should be a law saying it's okay to punch those people. It's hard to meet any girl when you're suicidally depressed. Yes and no. I knew somebody in college who was depressed and horribly shy, and he used to go to parties and sit in the corner. It was like chick-magnet city. Seriously, they'd just go over and talk to him. He met a hell of a lot of women that way. Of course, he never got laid because he was depressed and shy and he always scared them off by acting weird, but it was still cool how many women he met :) Me, I had to corner them myself and then scare them off. It was a lot more work, for basically the same amount of rejection (and somewhat greater humiliation). I don't know about medication (you're probably aware that views on it range from "great" to "pure evil"), but old-fashioned talk-therapy can actually help in some cases (well, mine anyway :). It's not a magic wand, it's not going to "change" you or change anything else, but if you're serious about it, a good shrink is a more stable and reliable (and more painfully honest) reality-check than the friends of a suicidally depressed person are likely to be. If your college health service will cough up for it, it may be worth considering (I've heard that MIT has their campus shrink hotline on the root menu on all the DEC stations in the engineering library -- don't tell me it's not true! It's a good story!). It may turn out to be utterly worthless, of course. Good luck. Don't take anything too seriously. |
| Re:I hear you. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @12:24AM EST (#549) |
| >you get morons telling you to "snap out of it" or "cheer up". There should be a law saying it's okay to punch those people. There's no need for a stinkin' law. Heh, heh... |
| Re:what about this (Score:1) by Anfo (ryan@qwk.net) on Sunday October 24, @09:53PM EST (#476) (User Info) http://www.linuxhardware.com |
| Most girls who appear "stuck up" are actually quite shy. As far as fulfilling physical desires vs finding the semi-perfect girl, find the semi-perfect girl and establish a good relationship with her. You will probably be pleasantly surprised. Most women are not overly impressed with a guys list of exploits. The would rather think that you think they are special. My $0.02 worth. Anfo |
| You're young. Get laid. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:37PM EST (#528) |
| But use a fucking condom, for Christ's sake! Please, really. Shit happens. And it's not just HIV, either. The clap, crabs, herpes, warts, the list goes on and they all suck. Oh, yeah, unwanted pregancies are no fun either. I learned that the hard way freshman year. Thank God she wasn't Catholic. Should i concentrate on fulfilling my physical desires (with girls of course), or should I go out looking for that semi-perfect girl? Nah, just find one you like, have sex a lot, discover that you're totally incompatible, fight, break up, and then mope around until you find another victim. When you meet the Right Woman, it'll happen by accident and you probably won't even know it for a while -- you'll just wake up one day and realize that this relationship doesn't suck. Don't jump into anything and don't feel like you're in a race. You've got until you're thirty before you have to start panicking and sending away to the Phillipines for a mail-order bride. I'm thirty-one. Don't ask. |
| Re:what about this (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 27, @02:14AM EST (#764) |
| Ok, I'm in college, 2nd year... I'd love to spend time with girls, get to know some, but I don't know where to start. I guess I'm just wondering what it says about me if I just wander around the girl's floor above me aimlessly, or is there some other way, or some other specific suggestion... |
| Ok, enough! (Score:2, Informative) by Skynet on Sunday October 24, @11:38AM EST (#23) (User Info) |
| I'm getting really sick of this crap that all people with hi-tech IT jobs have to be loveless geeks with no social graces. It's simply not true. It's been a consistent story on Wired and other news sources. Now I have Slashdot telling me how to pick up women? |
| Well said - millions of people work in IT (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:49PM EST (#137) |
| ...and they range from guys who can score on request to guys who are virgins at 50... |
| ... but few of them are geeks/nerds (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:52PM EST (#228) |
| the people I see working in my IT department these days are pathetically uninformed and unwilling to learn their chosen field. Clearly, Roblimo was aiming his article at those on the far end of the curve... |
| Re:Ok, enough! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:57PM EST (#145) |
| IT != geek fool |
| Re:Ok, enough! (Score:2) by chromatic on Sunday October 24, @02:09PM EST (#240) (User Info) http://snafu.wgz.org/chromatic/ |
| People actually do ask Roblimo those questions fairly often. (It helps that he's head-over-heels for Debbie and talks about her a lot.) Maybe he just attracts single guys who think they're down on their luck. Seems like a thankless job to me, telling a bunch of people to get up, look beyond themselves, and start talking to other people. -- QDMerge 0.4 just released! Nitrozac Boot Squad/A |
| This stuff is valuable, folks.. (Score:1) by spyke (spykert@telusplanet.net) on Sunday October 24, @11:38AM EST (#25) (User Info) http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~spykert/ |
| I'm one of those teenage-types, and a true geek/nerd/whatever. I have had absolutely *no* luck with women, so any advice is welcomed with open arms. I guess I've been doing everything wrong. But the question is, I suppose, is this really true? I guess only time will tell. |
| Re:This stuff is valuable, folks.. (Score:0, Offtopic) by W Parasyte (parasyte13@hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @01:08PM EST (#164) (User Info) http://www.jps.net/jmg1/ |
| Well, I'm one of those nerd types too. Not completely... while my life revolves around computers, I don't yet know enough to be programming etc. But I've found the same lack of a love interest that a lot of people express. I haven't had a girlfriend in 2.5 years. 'Course, I don't really get to complain; I know people 10 years older than me who've never had a girlfriend. I'm about to get a girlfriend soon, though. I can't tell you why; I wasn't particularly smooth or anything, and I'm terminally shy, and quite hard to get to know. I'm secretive about a lot of things, especially to people I just met. However, by some coincidence (which is kinda funny, she was trying to avoid this guy that she doesn't like) she started talking to me. She had the patience to talk to me for a while, put up with my not-talking-ness, tell me about herself, and wait to find out about me. She really likes me for who I am now, especially since she found out I'm highly honest with people I'm very close to. While we're not technically a couple (she's just now allowed to date, she wants to try several guys first... and there's nothing I can do about that.), I have total trust and confidence in her... and I'm pretty sure that we'll end up going out fairly soon. Heh, we're probably gonna go see Princess Mononoke on the 6th, after it comes out in Sacramento :) But I haven't told you all about her. She's absolutely beautiful (though she'd say she's not, and she thinks that no one else thinks that). She's one of the nicest people I've ever known. She's very cute in her mannerisms. She sorta likes computers... not with the same passion I do, but she can understand how I feel. I really love her, and I hope to be with her for a very long time. Anyway, I think I've gone on long enough here... there's just one more thing, you can see pictures of her here and here I hope you've enjoyed my nonsensical sappy corny loving ranting :) |
| Re:This stuff is valuable, folks.. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @03:56PM EST (#304) |
| Oh that is soo sweet! |
| I may be bitter and twisted but... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @06:05PM EST (#380) |
| I can see how this is gonna end...i've had 2 long term (one for 4 years) relationships then when you think that this is for life you get the "....i'm sorry but i've changed..." line. Well, now I realised that women dont know what they really want (both times the girls were pretty sure they wanted to get married) and if you give them what they say the want, they 'change'. I've started working out in a gym, and concentrating on my finances - i'm going to get rich then at least i'll be able to pick the best (personality and compatibility wise) from the gold diggers that will come out of the woodwork. When you are making the choices at least you are shaping your own future. I'll also be able to give more money to charity which will be nice cos i'm that kind of guy :) |
| Get into a sport (I suggest biking) (Score:1) by guisar on Monday October 25, @08:55AM EST (#648) (User Info) http://www.penguinpowered.com/~seiferth |
| Best observation I have for other programmers is GET INTO A SPORT- you'll live longer, feel better and meet tight women who wear tight clothes :) Seriously, I'm into biking and suspect other sw types would be as well. You can do it alone if you want or in groups. It's really exhilarating. I do the road thing but mountain bikes are cool also. You get into a lot of conversations with women in a non-pressured atmosphere and when it comes time- they really love the shaved leg thing. |
| Shouldn't be computer illiterate, though (Score:2, Insightful) by CvD (costynSPAMMERSDIE@bigfoot.kawm) on Sunday October 24, @11:40AM EST (#27) (User Info) |
| I applaud this article, however, There is a danger in having a girlfriend who knows next to nothing about computers: they don't understand why you need to spend so much time behind the monitor. They feel a little alienated and somehow as if the computer deserves more attention than them. The author says that you should look for a woman that is willing to accept that you spend these long periods of time, but I can tell you that those are far and few in between. Also, if they don't know/care, it can be difficult for them to understand your world. And who ever said that other coders (your girlfriend in this case) are your competitors. I don't consider my other geek friends my competitors... Of course, it's true that she'd be likely to be busy with her own things, and there'd be even less time toghether. Still, I agree with a lot of things in this article. Looks aren't everything, and I'd rather have someone who I could have an intelligent conversation with than some girl that is only beautiful. Cheers! |
| Re:Shouldn't be computer illiterate, though (Score:1) by werd life on Sunday October 24, @12:13PM EST (#84) (User Info) |
| There is some truth in this... My last girlfriend REALLY DID GET JEALOUS if I spent too much time in front of the computer :) It was mostly due to me working on cs assignments though, and I did find it kind of cute and of course took time away from the monitor every once in a while to give her a few hugs/kisses/whatever to try and show her that i appreciated her coming over and studying in my room while I was working on the latest networks assignment or whatever... |
| Re:Shouldn't be computer illiterate, though (Score:1) by MisterClaw on Sunday October 24, @12:32PM EST (#109) (User Info) |
| In relationship, it's very important for each person to understand and accept the other persons's passions in life, whether they are computers, sports, art, or whatever. Usually when I date someone, I like to learn more about what they like. It shows interest in them, and I know I liked it when someone I dated actually installed linux and started to run it. :) |
| Re:Shouldn't be computer illiterate, though (Score:1) by Loudog (alphageek@doghaus.org) on Sunday October 24, @01:03PM EST (#154) (User Info) http://www.doghaus.org |
| Um, not entirely true. The important thing is that they are willing to learn, not that they know it. My wife asks a ton of questions about what I do and why I am doing it, and has become quite good at decrypting "geek speak". She does call the computer the "other woman" and the "Beige Bitch" at times, but always with a smile and a sigh. She's also taught me more than I ever thought I'd know about finance and accounting -- and I actually found it interesting. If the learning is two way, the relationship might make it. We are all changing all the time, so every day I rediscover what a wonderful person I married. |
| can't stop laughing (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @04:47AM EST (#600) |
| the "beige bitch"... that's killing me... |
| Re:Shouldn't be computer illiterate, though (Score:1) by jgerman on Sunday October 24, @09:17PM EST (#462) (User Info) |
| I agree. It can also be a problem when a girl, knows nothing about computers and has an hour long argument with you about why everyone hates Bill Gates because he is a rich computer genius. Uuugh I still get angry about it. |
| Re:Shouldn't be computer illiterate, though (Score:1) by lightPhoenix (gondekDotOneAtosuDotedu) on Monday October 25, @04:04AM EST (#591) (User Info) |
| I will wholeheartedly agree to this. My past relationships w/ girls has shown me that the ones who use/appreciate computers, give me alot more time for my obsession. Girls I have dated in the past that didn't understand computers, usually got greatly disgruntled when I'd spend time blowing stuff up on it, or playing one more battle in Final Fantasy Tactics on PSX. Now, admittedly, the circumstances of the relationships were different, the better/more accepting ones did come later when I was older/wiser. Really though, I think this is something that has to be dealt with on a unique relationship basis, each one fitting into your life differently. Making it fit is very important. -------------- go read sluggy! www.sluggy.com |
| Re:Shouldn't be computer illiterate, though (Score:1) by DaveTerrell (dbt@meat.net) on Monday October 25, @08:02PM EST (#712) (User Info) http://wwn.nebcorp.com/ |
I applaud this article, however, There is a danger in having a girlfriend who knows next to nothing about computers: they don't understand why you need to spend so much time behind the monitor. They feel a little alienated and somehow as if the computer deserves more attention than them. The author says that you should look for a woman that is willing to accept that you spend these long periods of time, but I can tell you that those are far and few in between. Enh. I disagree. My current girlfriend is a philosophy major currently working on her masters on her way to a PhD, and she knows next to nothing about computers. Her only email address is @hotmail.com, for chrissakes. :) But she does understand that I do things like read slashdot and news, IRC, and write code on a pretty regular basis, and she has no problem just walking up behind me and saying "okay, now pay attention to me." in exactly those words. The important thing here is to take that seriously.... :) |
| Women more complex than even sendmail ? (Score:2, Funny) by bug1 on Sunday October 24, @11:40AM EST (#28) (User Info) |
| As a generalisation women may be more complex, but if you get into specifics, i hear sendmail is pretty complex.... Too scary for me to go near "The value of money is dependent on wealth" |
| What about emacs? (Score:1) by Enzo_Falzon (enzo_falzon@yahoo.com) on Sunday October 24, @01:25PM EST (#190) (User Info) |
| I mean, the thing *IS* the kitchen sink after all... |
| ...Emacs & wimmin'; they're pretty similar: (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @02:35PM EST (#261) |
| if you want any real response, you have to hit two or three buttons at once. |
| Emacs & men; they're pretty similar: (Score:1) by hypatia on Sunday October 24, @11:28PM EST (#519) (User Info) |
| in both cases, I'd much rather use vi... |
| Re: I've heard that mysql has just a many......? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @07:49PM EST (#432) |
| I've heard that mysql has just a many non-features than the girls that I go after (well, I figure that out in the end... After going out with them) |
| Yes, women more complex than even sendmail. (Score:1) by locoluis (lugonzal@COMPRE-webhost.cl) on Sunday October 24, @09:59PM EST (#479) (User Info) http://www.webhost.cl/~lugonzal/ |
| And the humans created thing so complex that even sendmail can appear as too simple compaired by that things. But no human being can create a woman... Did you? -- Luis Alejandro Gonzalez Miranda, Linux User and God believer. |
| Re:Women more complex than even sendmail ? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 28, @04:26PM EST (#770) |
| unfortunately someone stole my copy of the O'Reilly brat book.... ;| |
| How to meet the perfect girl? (Score:1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:43AM EST (#32) |
| So how does one meet the perfect girl? Not everyone likes to go barhopping, either guys or gals. And not everyone is still in college, either. What's the secret? |
| Re:How to meet the perfect girl? (Score:1) by phantomlord (phantoml@frontiernet.net) on Sunday October 24, @01:02PM EST (#152) (User Info) |
| This is generally my biggest problem. Finding a good place to meet girls... I'm not really the bar scene or clubbing type( I find getting wasted rather idiotic and clubbing boring and a meager attempt to try to be like everyone else. ) I manage a restaurant so I meet plenty of people there but I don't consider work to be the proper place to pickup women( be it other college aged employees or customers ) and I generally don't go to restaurants outside of work because that whole scene gets rather dull being in one 40-60 hours a week. I live in a medium sized rural town so there isn't anywhere to go/anything to do for 40 miles and since everyone has cars, you don't find people just hanging out somewhere( other than a bar or restaurant ). To further complicate things, my dad had a stroke last year so I've taken a leave of absense from work and school to take care of him until he's back on his feet again so it's pretty tough for me to get out... yet I still desire a relationship. I'm only 22 but I feel very much like my dad after my mom divorced him, utterly alone( not so much guy-friendship wise as we were always best of friends but in the female relationship way ) and helpless to do anything about it. -- |
| Re:How to meet the perfect girl? (Score:1) by HarveyNeon (har_veee@spankspammers.hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @01:12PM EST (#172) (User Info) http://members.dencity.com/harv |
| STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER! slowly... ok, now go for a walk. see that woman there? use a cheesey pickup line on her. yeah. there you go. now ask her some questions.. easy.. you don't want to spook her.. now agree with her.. yes.. very good.. point out some similarities between you and what she tells you of herself.. easier said than done, i know. i'm 22 as well. i work too much, i sit in front of the computer too much, i hate the club scene. what are we to do? we're a lot alike you and me, but instead of a sick father, i have a fresh breakup weighing me down. 4 years, out the window! see ya harv, not nice knowin ya because i don't want to know ya anymore! women! arrrg! I'm from Canada. I've never seen an igloo. beer, eh? oui. |
| Re:How to meet the perfect girl? (Score:1) by phantomlord (phantoml@frontiernet.net) on Sunday October 24, @01:38PM EST (#214) (User Info) |
| ok, now go for a walk. see that woman there? use a cheesey pickup line on her. yeah. there you go. now ask her some questions.. Interaction really isn't my problem. Since I grew out of that strange teenage "what if she rejects me" thing, I've always figured the worst that'll happen is they'll say no. That being said, the hardest part for me is finding a good place to meet someone decent( she doesn't have to be some obscure fantasy woman, merely someone who I can converse somewhat intelligently( not how to debug an 11 million line program but enough to be somewhat intellegent when an interesting topic comes up ) with and not be scary to look at ). Also, good luck, I know how tough it is and the end of long term relationships. |
| Re:How to meet the perfect girl? (Score:1) by jemhddar (m_helling@yahoo.com) on Sunday October 24, @02:28PM EST (#255) (User Info) |
| Well, you'll have to beat me up because I've already got the perfect girl, and you cant have her! :) I met my gf and swept her off her feet by doing something totally unexpected and nice. I overheard her tell someone when her birthday was, and later heard her tell someone else to email her. (No, I wasnt STALKING her. Just overheard these things b/c we were in the same room. Before that day I didn't even know her name) So then the next week I sent her an email on her birthday. Nothing special, just a funny joke and well wishes. We emailed back and forth a few times(shes an IT person too, but not as geeky as I), then started dating. First couple times we went out w/ some of her friends, then solo dates, then solo dates at my place. Now we're living together and planning to get married. We're both happy, and the main reason for that is we give each other space. Since we are both still in school(masters in IT) we have homework and school time etc. But we spend a lot of time together, just watching tv, walking, etc. A guy earlier in the conversation gave sexual advice-- dont worry about that, you have to get to date 3 or 4, and if a girl gives you that many times to go out, likely she's interested in other things about you. One other thing, once you do live with her, shower/bathe together. My gf doesnt have the perfect body(I have the body of a God, Buddha), but you want to make sure to let her know how much it pleases her. Don't lie, that's guaranteed to make her upset, but compliment her when she looks pretty or wears a nice outfit. Roblimo talked about how his wife redecorates, my gf buys clothes and movies ALL the time. I don't make any noise about that, and she doesn't make noise about the 5 computers in the house. Oh yeah, flowers for no reason are always nice too. matt ------ |
| Well, here are some suggestions: (Score:1) by telos (coleary@spam&die.ndbt.com) on Sunday October 24, @01:26PM EST (#193) (User Info) http://www.ndbt.com |
| I know women are often hard to find if you don't do the dance scene or go bar hopping. Not doing either of those things is sometimes an extremely good thing. As one of the female geeks that is always on the lookout for decent girls to introduce to my male friends, i have found Roblimo's, our "pimp of slashdot", comments to actually be resonably accurate. Now, i may take issue with him on the subject of dating geek girls, but he is right in that for a lot of people, geek girls would be a bad match. (My bf who is watching me type this says "Especially if there is only one working computer.) Places to start meeting girls: 1. Classes other people can consider hard, or even better, a good old fashioned literature or fine arts class. 2. Work, I don't usually recommend dating coworkers, but if you can find a cute little secretary or accountant in another department that you don't really relate to, you could have a wonderful time. 3. Gasp, Sports, a lot of women like to go out and play sports. If you join the company softball team, you could meet that quiet pretty little thing from another department or another commpany and just hit it right off. 4. Coffee houses are the new bars in a manner of speaking for a lot of younger people. I don't know how lucky you would get, but at least the coffee is good 5. Church, I know i said an unheard of word as far as some people are concerned, but going to your local house of worship is often a very good place to find funny and entertaining women. There is something to be said for being active in your religion of choice. 6. Actually let one of your friends set you up on a date, you may only allow this once depending on your friend's taste. Lastly, I think just going out and being social in the evening instead of planting yourself in front of a computer monitor helps. Now, I am very guilty of being stuck in front of a computer monitor for large periods of time, so i am not accuseing anyone. As a geeky girl, I hope these sugestions help 'cause these are the places where you will find my non-geeky friends. "Alt-F4 that's for quitting" quoth Dan_Wood |
| Re:Well, here are some suggestions: (Score:1) by Mock (kstenerud@hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @09:30PM EST (#464) (User Info) |
| 5. Church, I know i said an unheard of word as far as some people are concerned, but going to your local house of worship is often a very good place to find funny and entertaining women. There is something to be said for being active in your religion of choice. Danger, Will Robinson, Danger! This is a VERY BAD IDEA. As an ex-christian, I have witnessed countless people come into the church to find a girl. What you're not realizing is that the church elders will have a lot of say on this issue, and will always speak against this kind of relationship. The reasoning behind this is that in dating someone, you are essentially courting them for marriage. And marriage between the believer and the non-believer ("Do not be yoked together with unbelievers") is a Bad Thing (tm). Essentially, don't expect to get anywhere with a Christian girl unless you plan to be converted. |
| Re:church and girls (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @11:53PM EST (#727) |
| That's why he said the *religion of _your choice_*. He meant find a religious institution compatible with your beliefs. |
| Re:Well, here are some suggestions: (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @05:27AM EST (#608) |
| Money Money and lots of it. If they are 30ish Children and Marry.. Living in a caravan/trailer park is better than the best condo, although she lack the ability to play bridge and tennis Be kind and professional at all times - go out of you way to help may not |
| Re:How to meet the perfect girl? (Score:1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:51PM EST (#226) |
| Here is wisdom, Grasshopper: To find the perfect girl, stop looking. Concentrate on living "in the moment", and be open to all possibilities. |
| Re:How to meet the perfect girl? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:06PM EST (#310) |
| Some suggestions: - try to get out as often as possible - try to be on good terms with your sister. hang out with her - attend other people's weddings (especially your sister's wedding) |
| Re:How to meet the perfect girl? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:15PM EST (#318) |
| I always used to think bars and clubs were the best place to meet girls at, then I came to college and went to a few bars/clubs for over a semester and had no luck. After that I got a job as a computer lab assistant, probably the geekiest job on campus and surprisingly enough, my two last girlfriends I have met while working. |
| ....Fate.... (Score:1) by Kit10 (ksenia@glue.umd.edu) on Sunday October 24, @05:06PM EST (#355) (User Info) |
| I never believed in fate, or love at first sight, or any of that bullshit... Well. All I can say is - keep your eyes open, and don't be surprised if one fine day your life just flips upside down, knocks you out of a relationship that's not too great for you, and right into the soulmate you'd never met before.... This stuff does happen. Oh. And yes. Do keep your eyes -open-, which means you look for what a person -is-, and not what they look like. |
| This doesn't work... (Score:1, Funny) by bero-rh (bero@redhat.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:45AM EST (#33) (User Info) http://people.redhat.com/bero |
| There's a bug in your HOWTO - it assumes you actually know people who might be interested and you can choose. ;) There's no such thing as "free tours for female singles through the Red Hat development offices so we can talk to them"... ;) |
| Re:This doesn't work... (Suggestion) (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:03PM EST (#155) |
| Valid bug. But there is an easy fix. Female tours through the offices - that would be a dream. Its not like you are going to get any chances in the park (unless you are in say...marketing). Try taking a long lunch in Chapel Hill on friday. Its a slight twist on the male-female ration offered in RTP. Or if you want - enjoy nightlife in Chapel Hill. But do things - don't stand there. Too increase odds - have fun. One thing that should be noted - smiling does increase your odds. :) |
| Bug in the bugfix (Score:1) by bero-rh (bero@redhat.com) on Monday October 25, @04:33AM EST (#597) (User Info) http://people.redhat.com/bero |
| Two bugs actually. ;) First of all - "To increase odds - have fun" definitely doesn't work - I'm having fun 24 hours a day, 7 days a week (hacking Linux, of course ;)). The side effect is that I close to never leave the office. ;) So, s/increase/decrease/g might be a good thing in the HOWTO... The second bug is that NC is not the only RH office... Going to Chapel Hill on a Friday would be rather expensive from the various parts of RH Europe. ;) |
| Utterly utterly offensive (Score:5, Funny) by Tony Shepps (antonNOSPAM@zerodefect.net) on Sunday October 24, @11:45AM EST (#34) (User Info) http://www.zerodefect.net/anton |
Let's sum up:
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| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:2, Insightful) by sumana (sumanah@uclink4.berkeley.edu) on Sunday October 24, @11:59AM EST (#61) (User Info) |
| Thank you for a clearer sum-up of the clueless and/or offensive and/or sexist aspects of this particular article than I was able to provide. By the way, the endless comparisons of women and computers/software were really asinine. Fancy box? Not open-source? Please.
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| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @02:46PM EST (#271) |
| Your "fancy box" and "open-source" comments show that your sense of humor driver was left out when you were built Using the lingo of a group to communicate a point is useful. You appear to misunderstand that that is what the author was doing. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by sumana (sumanah@uclink4.berkeley.edu) on Sunday October 24, @07:35PM EST (#422) (User Info) |
| You're right. I was wrong. That probably was what he was doing. That was kinda stupid of me. Humor driver. ;-) To steal from one is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @03:36PM EST (#301) |
| When you first learned what a router does, were the words "post office" used? Using the standard language of a forum is a vaild and effective way to get your point across. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by sumana (sumanah@uclink4.berkeley.edu) on Sunday October 24, @07:37PM EST (#423) (User Info) |
| You're right. I should have seen that that was what he was doing. Still, the objectification implications were kinda rude. To steal from one is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:2, Insightful) by apocalypse_now (messt66+@die.die.die.pitt.edu) on Sunday October 24, @11:59AM EST (#62) (User Info) http://matt.vegan.net/ |
| That was exactly what I was thinking. All this post -- and many of the comments -- proved is that geeks are just as fucking stupid as other guys are. Show women some respect, you bastards. They're human beings, just like you. -- Matt Singerman http://matt.vegan.net/ |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by QuMa (fvw@var.cx) on Sunday October 24, @12:48PM EST (#136) (User Info) http://var.cx |
| Well, not EXACTLY like us. That makes it fun. :-) Instant karma's gonna get you. -- John lennon |
| hello-ooo-oooo! this is satire, people (Score:1) by rp on Sunday October 24, @09:54PM EST (#478) (User Info) |
| Anybody home in there? The original guide for girls on how to avoid geeks article that was posted a few days ago was already way over the top, but I was pretty amused this attempt to outdo it Even if you missed the original article, you must be pretty dense not to recognise this thing as satire. This is in the humor section. H-u-m-o-r. Think about it. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by mezzo (mezzopiano@yummyspam.yahoo.com) on Monday October 25, @11:01AM EST (#667) (User Info) |
| thank you matt. i m a geek girl. and hopefully i shall find a nice geek guy. i dont mind rubbing his shoulders when he is tired after all day programming. but i expect him to rub my shoulders too when i get tired. but maybe its too much to ask? |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:2, Insightful) by Stiletto (stiletto_NO@SPAM_.mediaone.net) on Sunday October 24, @12:09PM EST (#79) (User Info) http://www.pompano.net/~stiletto |
| I wouldn't call it offensive. Geek girls are incapable of being loving and considerate, and unloving and inconsiderate geek guys have to avoid that. Doesn't apply to all of them, but many. The ideal woman is one who selflessly meets your every needs. The proper role for the woman is that of handservant, who considers running your bathwater to be part of a "mutually beneficial" relationship. Maybe not ideal for _you_, but this is what lots of guys are looking for. One way to evaluate a woman is to take off her clothes and makeup. That's one way.. there are others. In bars, the females that are unattainable are called "women" while the ones that you are supposed to go after are called "girls". I don't know what this means. If a woman finds you unattractive, dump her as quickly as possible. I agree...assuming she doesn't dump you first. Grown breasts are worth waiting for. Might be his personal preference. Be nice to geeky looking girls, just in case they grow up and look good. Advice to LIVE BY. In spite of all of the above, imperfections are to be overlooked. Nobody's perfect. All women are looking for a man to fill the empty void in their lives. Many are, and many men are looking for a woman to fill a void, so this statement is only partially true. If you're not having any success, find someone like Roblimo, considers himself an expert at picking up chix and is ready to dispense a handful of advice because he has a pleasant and apparently subservient wife who meets his needs. Advice can be taken or ignored. He didn't force you to accept his advice did he? I think some of his points were very realistic and can help out people who are shy or have problems with the opposite sex. You've done nothing but criticize. "In My Egotistical Opinion, most people's C programs should be indented six feet downward and covered with dirt." -- Blair P. Houghton |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:16PM EST (#87) |
| you must be insane! You really dont get it, here are some points that you may not be aware of: 1) wife is not a synonym for slave 2) women are not valued soley on their appearence 3) if all you love about a woman are her breasts you are going to be very dissapointed later( wait till she's 60 ) 4) Women have minds and ambitions too, they have not been created just to help you get what you want... |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:5, Insightful) by Stiletto (stiletto_NO@SPAM_.mediaone.net) on Sunday October 24, @12:51PM EST (#138) (User Info) http://www.pompano.net/~stiletto |
| Congratulations. You've won the political correctness award. I guess you think you deserve a prize. Truth is, I've goon from the shy nerd who coudln't get any, to a guy who has to pick and choose, all because of a little attitude adjustment called "REALISM". Myth: As a man, we should forget about our own needs. The way to get respect from a girl is to treat them like a princess. Fact: Some relationships work great this way. But for those of us who don't buy the whole "give give give" deal, there are plenty of (IMHO) strong girls out there who will repect you more if you are honest about what you want in a relationship. If all you want is sex, say so. The ones who arent into that will slap you in the face and leave (good riddance) and the ones who are into it will respect you more for being honest and upfront about it. There's nothing more pathetic to watch a guy kiss a girl's ass while she cheats on him behind his back. Myth: Finding a good girl is like playing the lottery. Fact: Finding a good girl is more like shopping for a computer. You like games? Get the one with the fast 3d features. You more down to business? Get one that suits your needs. There are lots of girls out there. No matter what you look like or how much you make, you can still pick and choose. Just get off your ass and meet as many girls you can. Myth: Girls have all the power when you are single and looking for a girlfriend. Fact: Only if you _ask_ rather than _suggest_. This is the best advice I can give to geek guys wondering why girls always walk all over them. Never ASK a girl ANYTHING. The only power she has is the power you give her. Grow a backbone and some balls and they will see the change instantly. "Here's someone who is confident and knows what he wants," they will say, "I like him already." Myth: There's always a way to "work it out". Fact: If someone doesn't meet your needs, or if you don't meet their needs, the best thing you can do is get out of the relationship as quickly as possible. Staying in a relation that isn't satisfying is the best way for both to become bitter and resentful of each other. Myth: There is just one special person for you, and you live your life to find that special someone. Fact: There are lots of people that are compatible with you. Find the one or ones who you get along with best, and dump the rest of them. "In My Egotistical Opinion, most people's C programs should be indented six feet downward and covered with dirt." -- Blair P. Houghton |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:0, Troll) by Freehold on Sunday October 24, @01:15PM EST (#177) (User Info) |
| You know, this is just plain sickening. This is like the male equivalent of that Weekly World News thing. So you're saying we should treat women like pathetic airheads who only want to be controlled and forced to do things they don't want to. Lets not ask them what they want, lets tell them what we want and they damn well better be listening. Thaks for the tip! And when I get maried, I'll remember to beat my wife. |
| Confidence and Honesty... (Score:1) by Driph (slashdot@flummox.com) on Monday October 25, @04:30AM EST (#596) (User Info) http://www.flummox.com |
Exactly. I'd been reading the comments waiting for someone else to mention this. You'd be surprised at how well you can do with women if you are simply confident and honest(as opposed to egotistical and bluntly crass, however.) Ever notice that when it rains it pours? You get together with a woman, or perhaps you are seeing someone... suddenly, there are more women available(even if they don't know you are dating someone else...) Why is this? Because your confidence level has gone up. You also tend to speak to other women as PEOPLE when you aren't aggressively on the hunt. Learn to do that all the time. Realise that they are individuals such as yourself who like conversation, someone to spend time with, and to get laid now and then. If you want a woman just for sex, don't put on a show or try to con her into thinking you are interested in a long term relationship.. treat her with respect; just as you don't want a woman to fool you, she's not going to take that very well either._____________________________________________________________ The question is, do I really want to be on index.pl right now? |
| Clueless? (Score:2, Insightful) by sumana (sumanah@uclink4.berkeley.edu) on Sunday October 24, @12:35PM EST (#116) (User Info) |
| You've missed the point. "Many" geek girls are unloving, inconsiderate? Many PEOPLE are like that. But most? All? The implication in the original article was that ALL geek girls are like that. Thus, criticism in the post to which you responded. So many men are looking for a selfless handservant, who doesn't take, only gives. Point: Those women will BORE YOU given time. Sure, I give, but I also take. And I can take it if he spends a majority of his life at the computer, but I'll yell at him if it means he's neglecting me. The "evaluation via nude appearance" thing is satirical; I won't bother. The "women"/"girls" problem: the atuthor of the article used these referents, which may imply that he sees the women you can't get as mature and the girls you can get as immature, not yet fully females, etc. Dumping an woman who finds you unattractive...how do you know she does? And wouldn't this be related more to other problems? And why would she be with you if she didn't want to? Maybe Robin's personal preference IS to act nice to geek girls in case they grow nice breasts. But are these words to live by...for all of us? Or just for him? If it's just for him, then why is he telling us to do it? And if it's for "us," then what's a female geek to do "I must, I must, I must increase my bust"? (Oh, by the way, you may notice that the girl, Jessica, whom he wished he'd gotten, was a geek. Breaking Rule #!, Robin! None of them uppity geek chix!) No. Nobody's perfect. But the author of the post to which you responded was pointing out the hypocrisy/contradiction among the implications of the pieces of advice in the article. The "void" thing -- no judgments here. Some people are happy alone, some aren't, some are dependent on others for happiness, or so they believe. Men, women, all of us. But Uncle Robin's advice simply feeds/buys into the stereotype that women are like this, that we need men for happiness. And yes, we can ignore his advice. And we should, some of it, because IT'S BAD ADVICE. Sure, some of it's good, some of it's bad. Many of the critics here have acknowledged and praised the good advice in the article. What's wrong with criticism? One post may criticize, another may praise, even by the same poster. It has a valid place in Slashdot discussions, in any discussion.
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| Re:Clueless? (Score:1) by Stiletto (stiletto_NO@SPAM_.mediaone.net) on Sunday October 24, @12:58PM EST (#148) (User Info) http://www.pompano.net/~stiletto |
| Point taken. I think we can both agree that the best way to give advice is to not make generalizations, because although generalizations are many times on the mark, they don't work all the time, and if taken as gospel truth can lead to mistakes. Oh and by the way I always use the term "girls" to avoid the whole girls/women thing... "In My Egotistical Opinion, most people's C programs should be indented six feet downward and covered with dirt." -- Blair P. Houghton |
| About the geekyness thing (Score:1) by Freehold on Sunday October 24, @01:07PM EST (#163) (User Info) |
| "Be nice to geeky looking girls, just in case they grow up and look good. Advice to LIVE BY." Now, the other points I suppose are points of personal preference. Personally, I find large breasts rather unattractive. I mean, think of all the beter uses for that silicon. But that's personal preference. This comment though, implies some sort of superficial idiocy. I mean, think back to when you were a geek in high school. Didn't you just wish people would look past your geekiness. To have people saying that just because they're female, they're not worth anything until they're perfect and subservient makes me ashamed to be male. Besides, braces are damn sexy. |
| Re:About the geekyness thing (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @07:50PM EST (#433) |
| I'm gonna assume that for the sake of not considering you an idiot that you were joking. You can't recycle breasts into chips. There is silicone and silicon. Silicon would make horrible breasts, with the possible exception of SMP. |
| The Geek Female - Misrepresented. (Score:4, Insightful) by kannen on Sunday October 24, @04:10PM EST (#313) (User Info) |
| Advice can be taken or ignored. He didn't force you to accept his advice did he? The problem is that the article misrepresented "geek girls" in a poor light and it did so to a very large audience. Who, might I ask, are geek girls supposed to find a date with? Your "traditional" male is frightened of geek girls due to superiority/inferiority of intellect issues and now geek males have been informed that geek girls are undesirable. This also begs the question: why can't geek girls be supportive, compassionate, and loving? The truth is that geek females range in their capacity to fulfill these qualities just as much as your geek male. Certainly there are geek males who are compassionate. It's the blanket condemnation of geek females that is problematic. Another /.er made the statement that a woman needs to serve the geek in question selflessly because that's what love is about: being selfless. I won't dispute that - but the original article failed to make the point that a man need be just as selfless. Guys need to be willing to drop coding for a night because sometimes their partner needs them too. Love is about give and take, and both parties need to be willing to give. George Will: Even the continents drift. |
| Re:The Geek Female - Misrepresented. (Score:2, Interesting) by coreybrenner (coreybrenner@yahoo.com) on Sunday October 24, @04:45PM EST (#344) (User Info) |
| > Who, might I ask, are geek girls supposed to find a date with? Me. I like geek girls. :-) > This also begs the question: why can't geek girls be supportive, compassionate, and loving? I don't know if he meant that, per se. Fact is, though, that obsessive behavior (sometimes to the point of neglecting other, very important life details) is a pretty common trait in geeks. Ever lose track of the time when coding something, or researching some little nuance of an algorithm that has piqued your interest? I have. I can see where that could become a bone of contention in a relationship, unless both people understand what's going on. The geek in question (be it a male or female of the species) must know that that behavior is not conducive to gettin' a little lovin' once in a while. The other half of the relationship must also realize that the behavior is not intentional, and that that behavior in no way means that the geek thinks or feels less of you. Lots of us geeks have a problem with self-image. If I had a significant other, and that person spent more time doing (whatever) than spending time with me voluntarily, I might deduce (correctly or incorrectly) that that person has found a flaw in me that is causing them to not want to spend time with me. Geek guys and geek girls are susceptible to this mindset, and some might not realize that another's obsession with computing and technology might not be an escape from their inadequacy as a partner. That said, I've examined myself and have noted that, while I have no problem concentrating on some little bit of code I'm toying with for hours on end, or rearranging and rewiring 3+ TB of disks with about 5 minutes of thought, I cannot seem to remember to take my vitamins in the morning. Neglecting those things doesn't mean that I value them less (when I've had the mindset to take my vitamins and thyroid medication for, say, a week straight, I'm rewarded greatly - those things really do help you feel better...), but it's a quirk in my personality. > Guys need to be willing to drop coding for a night because sometimes their partner needs them > too. Indeed. The question isn't whether the person values you enough to drop whatever he or she is doing, but whether the fact that he or she is needed is even realized. Had I a significant other, I might be doing something quite geeky, walking around my apartment in my underwear (ack! the horror!) waving my hands around in a seemingly senseless dance in front of me (which is actually my using the air like an invisible whiteboard, figuring out some bit of an algorithm), and not notice that my partner was sitting on the couch, her knees drawn to her chest, staring blankly into the cushions, obviously bothered by something. It wouldn't be because I don't care for her, or that I'm insensitive to her needs, but that I've gone off on a tangent and need to be snapped back to reality. Oh, well... too much. Gotta go out and find a geek girl to make us both unhappy (hell... I'd like someone to discuss weirdo algorithms with, bounce ideas off of her and see if she has any input that might help me...). --Corey |
| Re:The Geek Female - Misrepresented. (Score:1) by llin on Monday October 25, @04:03AM EST (#590) (User Info) http://www-scf.usc.edu/~lhl/ |
Who, might I ask, are geek girls supposed to find a date with? Your "traditional" male is frightened of geek girls due to superiority/inferiority of intellect issues and now geek males have been informed that geek girls are undesirable. I believe you're answer lies with the Weekly World News. ;-P |
| Re:The Geek Female - Misrepresented. (Score:1) by Harri on Monday October 25, @04:09AM EST (#593) (User Info) |
| I thought the original point was that geek girls are bad for geek guys, which makes a lot of sense to me. I don't think it's ideal for anyone to go out with someone who shares an obsession as deep as geekism sometimes gets. It's always a breath of fresh air to talk about something _else_ for once! I'm sure the same applies for geek girls, nobody's being sexist. Well I don't think they are anyway. |
| Finally, a dose of reality - and GROOM Yourselves! (Score:1) by Black Dog on Monday October 25, @11:06AM EST (#672) (User Info) |
| I read this article to my wife and she found it quite offensive and sexist. We're both nerds, and found most of the "advice" overtly simplistic. Your comments are good. We'd like to point out, though that geek guys NEED to dress better. Showing up in a pair of baggy jeans, with running shoes and an untucked shirt does not endear you with the girls. Try looking a little preppy, cut the hair neatly, and shave off the facial hair if you can't grow a decent beard. Its that simple. |
| Re:The Geek Female - Misrepresented. (Score:1) by Parity on Monday October 25, @01:03PM EST (#694) (User Info) |
| Who, might I ask, are geek girls supposed to find a date with? Ummm. I'd take a cue from Helen: Sweetheart of the Internet and go after the artistic type. Okay, so Spenser and Helen have their problems, but I still think it's a great idea! Artists and Geeks complement each other wonderfully... if they don't kill each other. :) The same logic goes for geek guys, too, of course, keeping an eye out for artist women. (Of course, if you think all art is worthless spouting of personal views in different mediums then this advice should not apply to you. OTOH, if you have something against worthless spouting of personal views, why are you reading slashdot? :)) --Parity |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by Maul (spammaster@spamazon.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:19PM EST (#91) (User Info) http://isu.dark-jedi.org |
| Maybe Roblimo likes to have a "little wife" sitting around at home doing nothing, awaiting his return so that he can be served. Some of us actually want a person we can relate to, not someone who just cooks and cleans for us. Is there something wrong with a geek girl who works on her own projects and posts on Slashdot? I think not. Roblimo's saying that we shouldn't go for girls who maybe as smart or smarter than us. And I think most of us already knew not to expect to have the chicks in Playboy before reading Roblimo's happy little article. I don't think /. readers want to hang around the cheerleaders, etc. They aren't smart enough for our tastes. But I guess we can't all be 1337 chix0r magnets like Roblimo... "Sore wa HIMITSU desu!" -Xelloss |
| applause (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:31PM EST (#105) |
| Thanks. I was too lazy to log in and write that. There really are a lot of sad people who read /. I find Roblimo utterly repulsive, the scheming little twat. I feel sorry for his wife. This article is an insult to the intelligence of women and can only serve to embarrass the Open Source developer community. If you look, you'll see that we're not all sad little geeks who can't communicate properly because we've been sat in front of a monitor since birth. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:5, Insightful) by FortranDragon on Sunday October 24, @12:35PM EST (#115) (User Info) http://home.earthlink.net/~fortran/ |
| Interesting way of quoting someone's words without accurately representing their spirit. :) > Geek girls are incapable of being loving and considerate, and unloving and inconsiderate geek guys have to avoid that. Sometimes the worst person for you is the one that is exactly like you. Anyway, he didn't make that claim about Geek girls. > The ideal woman is one who selflessly meets your every needs. Being in love with someone is being *willing* to selflessly meet your partners needs. This comes from within and isn't the terrible thing you seem to think it is. > The proper role for the woman is that of handservant, who considers running your bathwater to be part of a "mutually beneficial" relationship. That's _your_ claim (handservant). The point is to meet each other's needs. That's what is going to make the relationship work (among other things). > One way to evaluate a woman is to take off her clothes and makeup. Yes, it is. If those things are important to someone they'd better not pretend otherwise. If they do then the relationship is based on a lie. Just be honest that this is important. Then if that doesn't work for the other person you both can move on before you make each other's life a living hell. > In bars, the females that are unattainable are called "women" while the ones that you are supposed to go after are called "girls". He mainly used the word "women" so your comment is a strawman. Don't distort what he said otherwise you destroy your criticism. Unless, that is, you want to do a mindless politically correct troll. :) > If a woman finds you unattractive, dump her as quickly as possible. Why not? If she doesn't like you why force yourself on her? "No" is supposed to mean something is it not? > Grown breasts are worth waiting for. For some of us, yes. Others could care less. Remember, some of this is personal preference. Being offended by someone's personal preference is usually idiotic. It would be like saying you don't like someone because purple is their favorite color. > Be nice to geeky looking girls, just in case they grow up and look good. The moral of that story is "Be nice to everyone, 'cause that ugly duckling may just be the lovely swan -- and don't do to others what you don't like them doing to you." > In spite of all of the above, imperfections are to be overlooked. No, a relationship takes work and one of things you need to work on is making sure the other person can do the things they like in a relationship. > All women are looking for a man to fill the empty void in their lives The "all" is _your_ verbiage. If we use the accurate quote we would have a proper picture of what Roblimo really said. Which is very accurate. Anyway, I guess you haven't been on a college campus and met those women looking for their "MRS". But that's basic biology and you don't seem to like that. We'll skip your last ad-hominem attack and put it down to sour grapes. :) |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by Accipiter (shadSowfireP@hotAmail.cMom) on Sunday October 24, @01:07PM EST (#162) (User Info) http://www.hackphreak.org |
| Moderate this one up. You said exactly what I wanted to say, but your wording is far better than I could have done without sounding like a Troll. The point is, this article is advice. (And damn Good advice, in my opinion.) To Tony: Whether you choose to take it and use it is your decision. But for God's sake, don't criticize someone for offering help. The way you twisted Roblimo's words to suit your point is just wrong. -- Give him Head? Be a Beacon? |
| MODERATE THE ABOVE POST UP (Score:1) by Stradivarius (adkrol@netscape.net) on Sunday October 24, @01:14PM EST (#174) (User Info) |
| I couldn't have said it better myself... -Stradivarius |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:3, Insightful) by Tony Shepps (antonNOSPAM@zerodefect.net) on Sunday October 24, @02:37PM EST (#262) (User Info) http://www.zerodefect.net/anton |
| (Grown breasts are worth waiting for.) For some of us, yes. Others could care less. Remember, some of this is personal preference. Being offended by someone's personal preference is usually idiotic. I definitely have a preference for breast size - I won't mention what it is. But my favorite breasts are my wife's. Not because they're large, medium, or small, but because they're HERS. Take hers and put them on someone else, and in the long run they're not interesting to me. The point is that, if we're thinking, feeling people, we look beyond the superficial and fall in love with the REAL PERSON. We value who they are, and what they look like becomes less and less important, only important in that it is a part of them. Believe me, I'm not offended by Robin's preferences. I'm offended that he considers them so important that, in an essay on what to look for in a relationship, he made them the subject of over half of what he wrote. And in that particular case, he was basically saying that you should be nice to the ugly, not because you should be nice in general, but because they might someday be good-looking. His reasoning follows that if you knew in advance that they'd still be ugly in ten years, you'd have no reason to be nice to them. I got news for ya. In the long run, we're ALL ugly. In 10 years, 20 years, 30 years YOU will be the ugly one. After 20 years of gravity and infant feeding, those breasts won't be so pretty. If we're lucky, the majority of our lives will not be spent looking young and beautiful. If we're wise, those ugly years will still be meaningful, and we will not spend our time pining for the beautiful days. Anyway, I guess you haven't been on a college campus and met those women looking for their "MRS". But that's basic biology and you don't seem to like that. Not only have I been on a college campus and met those women, I've seen the result of those sorts of marriages in the long term. The current film "American Beauty" sums those marriages up extremely well -- full of empty accomplishments, missing most of what's really important in life. To say that husband-hunting is the result of basic biology -- that's even more offensive than Roblimo, who simply took his personal preferences and assumptions about the world and applied them to everyone. To you, the MRS women aren't merely trying to satisfy a societal preference, they're hard-wired to do so. Doesn't it bother you that that very thinking has been used to excuse the very worst of all human behaviors in history? |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by dattaway (dattaway@attaway.org) on Sunday October 24, @05:20PM EST (#361) (User Info) http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tlist.php3?low=1&limit=100&source=y |
| I got news for ya. In the long run, we're ALL ugly. In 10 years, 20 years, 30 years YOU will be the ugly one. I view age differently. With age, breasts just become longer, penises grow larger. There's nothing wrong with "sexy grandmas" or grandfathers, yet Hollywood does not give us many role models for the older folks. Think Tina Turner and Clint Eastwood. They are up there in age. Wrinkles come from exposure to the sun and are multiplied by smoking. Nothing wrong with older women and men, except for those who do not take care of their health. Not everyone turns fat and ugly in old age. Some are still physicaly fit and like to fuck. Don't let age discourage, let it bring wisdom and happiness. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by [Dilbert] (bwm3 AT po DOT cwru DOT edu) on Sunday October 24, @06:47PM EST (#398) (User Info) |
| I definitely have a preference for breast size - I won't mention what it is. But my favorite breasts are my wife's. Amen to that. Well, not really, your wife's breasts aren't my favorite ;-) But my girlfriend's are. I mean, they look nice and all that on their own, but it's really the fact that they are hers that makes me like them. And don't even get me started about attractive women that think they aren't. My gf isn't perfect in the sense that everyone would think she's attractive, but to me, she most certainly is. I think she's hot, and damn she's got a great personality too. But *every* time I tell her how beautiful she is, she kind of shrugs it off, with just a simple "thank you" and a smile. She didn't really get the idea until she came to visit me at school and I pointed out the looks she was getting from other guys... and even then she tried to pass it off. Maybe I can get her to read this... (She's not really a geek, nor does she like computers that much, but i could send her the link) I'm beginning to rant here, sorry, but I want to say it because I think it can really help people. Be honest. And when you fall in love, tell the person. My current (and only gf as of yet - i'm 18/in college) didn't think it was possible for me to love her when I told her I did - it was after we went out three times or so. But my gut told me that I had found someone REALLY special and not to let go, and I haven't. Even after some rocky times, we're still together. (but now it's long distance - that can be REAL HARD.) So now it's been 9, going on 10 months, and I've been truly happy the whole time. When you find love, it IS the best thing you will ever find. I hate to sound all sappy, but I can't really help it... I love this girl, and I would love to simply walk around outside yelling to the world that I love her. I guess this is the closest I can get without being put in a padded room. :-) If I do get you to read this - I love you Liz. Sorry again for my rant, Slashdot, but I'm pretty damn happy here and I just want to tell people what they can look forward to.
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| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by FortranDragon on Sunday October 24, @10:30PM EST (#499) (User Info) http://home.earthlink.net/~fortran/ |
I definitely have a preference for breast size - I won't mention what it is. But my favorite breasts are my wife's. Not because they're large, medium, or small, but because they're HERS. Take hers and put them on someone else, and in the long run they're not interesting to me. I would agree with your sentiment. For myself. I realize that others might and generally do think differently. Then again, liking just your partner is a different situation than being single and looking for a partner. Different rules apply. The point is that, if we're thinking, feeling people, we look beyond the superficial and fall in love with the REAL PERSON. We value who they are, and what they look like becomes less and less important, only important in that it is a part of them. The key is that "if". Not all people are like that. Nor do they want to be. If two people are happy with each other and choose to stay at a superficial level then who are we to say that they are wrong for having different standards than us? Also, all relationships start out at a superficial level. No one can look beyond the superficial until they've spent the years getting to know the "REAL PERSON". That "getting to know" takes a lot of open and very honest communication. So what is the problem with liking certain parts of a person and then making the effort to know more? Plus, why is it better to like one part of a person, such as their brain, and not another part of a person, such as their body? Some people are proud of those aspects of themselves. Should we blanket-dismiss certain things or should we appreciate what we like about a person, appreciate what they like and learn more about each other? Don't we have to start somewhere? Believe me, I'm not offended by Robin's preferences. I'm offended that he considers them so important that, in an essay on what to look for in a relationship, he made them the subject of over half of what he wrote. And in that particular case, he was basically saying that you should be nice to the ugly, not because you should be nice in general, but because they might someday be good-looking. His reasoning follows that if you knew in advance that they'd still be ugly in ten years, you'd have no reason to be nice to them. I don't follow that reasoning at all. What I see Roblimo confessing is that he looked at someone on a superficial level and didn't bother to learn the "REAL PERSON". Because of that mistake he lost out on being involved with someone that would have interested him if he had been a bit more aware himself. I got news for ya. In the long run, we're ALL ugly. In 10 years, 20 years, 30 years YOU will be the ugly one. After 20 years of gravity and infant feeding, those breasts won't be so pretty. If we're lucky, the majority of our lives will not be spent looking young and beautiful. If we're wise, those ugly years will still be meaningful, and we will not spend our time pining for the beautiful days. That's old news to me. :) My son is in school and my partner's (who is older than me) son is in university. The amusing thing (maybe news for you) is that breasts are still neat at any age, even if they've sagged or been baby chewed. You see, to me beauty has nothing to do with age and everything to do with the person. Not only have I been on a college campus and met those women, I've seen the result of those sorts of marriages in the long term. The current film "American Beauty" sums those marriages up extremely well -- full of empty accomplishments, missing most of what's really important in life. That depends on who you talk to. I know a number of women that are quite happy with their "MRS". They willingly chose that option with their eyes open. Are they to be dismissed as stupid simply because they chose to follow their bodies with their minds and lives? To say that husband-hunting is the result of _basic biology_ -- that's even more offensive than Roblimo, who simply took his personal preferences and assumptions about the world and applied them to everyone. To you, the MRS women aren't merely trying to satisfy a societal preference, they're hard-wired to do so. Doesn't it bother you that that very thinking has been used to excuse the very worst of all human behaviors in history? Sorry, but husband hunting is a basic fact of biology. Just as is the tendency of males to want to impregnate as many females as possible. The procreation instinct is the strongest survival instinct there is. (An interesting book to read on the subject is Sperm Wars by Robin Baker.) If it wasn't humanity wouldn't exist today. The fact that we are hard-wired to procreate is no more a cause of anguish than it is that we only see in a certain part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Actually, knowing how our bodies do really work gives us a better chance to make wise choices. Anyway, the fact that certain thinking has been misused doesn't mean that the thinking is wrong. If misuse destroyed the worth of an idea then things like freedom, democracy, equal rights, etc. would not be creditable instead of having such power these days. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:2, Insightful) by gargle on Sunday October 24, @04:42PM EST (#341) (User Info) |
| Tony Shepps understood the spirit of Roblimo's article perfectly. You haven't done anything other than repeat what he said. > The ideal woman is one who selflessly meets your every needs. Being in love with someone is being *willing* to selflessly meet your partners needs. This comes from within and isn't the terrible thing you seem to think it is. That would be right, except that Roblimo advises one not to look for a geek girl because she'll be too busy hacking on computers to service your needs. Rather, find a girl willing to service your needs while you hack on your computers. > Be nice to geeky looking girls, just in case they grow up and look good. The moral of that story is "Be nice to everyone, 'cause that ugly duckling may just be the lovely swan Don't you get it? This is precisely what he takes offense against: being nice to someone just in case they turn out to be good looking. and don't do to others what you don't like them doing to you." Yes, but this sentiment wasn't present in Roblimo's aritcle. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:46PM EST (#130) |
| yeah ... that post was pretty fscked up! |
| he's being honest, not PC or hypocritical (Score:1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:01PM EST (#151) |
| I respect that. He knows well he'll be flamed but he's just saying what's on his mind and many others. I respect his authoritah! |
| Re:he's being honest, not PC or hypocritical (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:37PM EST (#337) |
| PC? No. Hypocritical? Yes. (See discussion of geek girls.) |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:09PM EST (#167) |
| > * Grown breasts are worth waiting for. Err, yes. I think that oversized and silicon breasts are gross, but a women with no breasts? That would be freaky, like looking at a young boy. No thanks. |
| I hope.... (Score:2, Insightful) by elfbabe (dammit_janet@(spammity_spam)tellmeimcute.com) on Sunday October 24, @01:11PM EST (#170) (User Info) http://wcatyclique.webjump.com |
| That I never, ever, ever end up in a relationship with a guy who's been nice to me "in spite of" my looks, my personality, or my intelligence just on the off chance that I'd turn out to be really hot someday. Or one who doesn't want to date geek chicks because they won't be "there for him" when he needs them. Incidentally, how does this apply to geek guys? If one is not supposed to date programming chicks who post on /. because they'll be too busy coding in times of emotional need, wouldn't geek guys be the same? Marissa, one of the many defenders of geek womanhood Another non-functioning site was “uncertainty.microsoft.com.” The purpose of that site was not known. -- MSNBC |
| I think so (Score:2, Insightful) by raistlinne (lansdoct@cs.alfred.edu) on Sunday October 24, @01:47PM EST (#223) (User Info) http://cs.alfred.edu/~lansdoct/ |
| I think that that's a valid conclusion from that part of roblimo's post. Geek girls shouldn't go for near-soulless geek guys, either. There may be some truth to the idea, though. What's needed in a relationship isn't for both people to love the same thing so much as to both like what the other one loves. This way you can have understanding of the other. Both loving the same thing may work out better or worse, I'm not really sure as I've never had a relationship where that happened, but I think that it's pretty obvious that you need to at least like what the other one loves. That being the case, there are a whole lot of other personality traits on has to have in common for a relationship to work as well. Past the basics like being a decent human being, caring, thoughtful, etc., both partners need something of a similar spirit. A similar sense of humor. A similar way of looking at the world. Or maybe compatable is better than similar, though I think that in general it's only similar spirits that are compatible. Now, personality/spirit types seem to be about randomly spread out through the human race. Some football players are caring, others aren't. Some geeks are caring, others aren't. Geekdom like the rest of professions doesn't require a full person, only a few aspects of a person, so the rest can be whatever God wanted them to be, and they'll work out as geeks (same goes for just about every profession, though different ones select on different traits). If that's true, then you'll be more likely to find a caring person in a somewhat different field, as the number of caring people in your field will be n-1 (assuming that you're a caring person and not going to date yourself). The other problem is that for men the ratio of men:women in computers is really off balance. You'll find more geek-type girls in other "intellectual" professions (most of my girlfriends have been really into math, biology, or physics (usually with significant overlap)). That piece of advice may be more gender-specific because if you're a computer-geek guy and the number of computer geek guys is l, then the eligible population of dating partners just in computer geeks is something like l/5 (assuming that you're not homosexual). Those aren't good odds to start out with, so you've got a better chance of success by expanding your pools of possibilities. When you include anything which requires at least reasonable comfort with mathematics or logic, your odds of finding someone compatible are just a lot higher (statistically speaking, actual results may vary). So in conclusion, it all depends (big surprise). If you're a caring partner and need a caring partner, then your odds of finding one may be better or worse if you look in the computing field, but they're almost definitely worse if you limit your search to women in the computing field as there are significantly fewer of them then men (or rather it appears to be so, however someone not announcing their geekiness and someone who isn't a geek is the same thing unless your telepathic). But I think that a lot of this can be simplified quite a bit: 1. Make friends with everyone you like and try to be on good terms with everyone if possible. 2. If in the course of life one of your friends of target gender starts to want more from you, and at the same time you start to want more from them, and equally importantly you want to give more to each other, then great. Sounds fairly reasonable, doesn't it? Linux: Get there. Today. |
| Looks (Score:1) by dfreed (dfreed@REMOVE.apu.edu) on Sunday October 24, @05:10PM EST (#357) (User Info) |
| One thing that always blows me away is that everyone assumes that we all like the same type of person. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I like red haired, green eyed, freckeled, pixie girls. My friend Mike likes Brown haired, brown eyed, pail skined girls. Do we like the same thing? No! My perfect mate would look like an oddball to Mike. And mikes 'type' does not interest me in the least. So what does this mean? It means that if you don't like red head's by all means do not date them. That way they will be availible for those who like red heads and are willing to accept (and value) them as they are. Be discriminating (look that up in the dictionary it means 'to make a carefull choice'.) that way everybody can get what they are looking for. |
| Re:I hope.... (Score:1) by scottj (scottj@insane.com) on Sunday October 24, @10:59PM EST (#508) (User Info) http://insane.com |
| Marissa, You're extremely attractive for a geek chick. I'm proud to have women like you in such a wonderful society! -- Scott Johnson |
| Re:I hope.... (Score:1) by pit_bull (me@home.nl) on Monday October 25, @07:04AM EST (#620) (User Info) http://www.boomm.demon.nl |
| Euh Scott, I think you've slashdotted Marissa's page into oblivion.... (I think We did....) ;-) _ Light travels faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.... - |
| Re:I hope.... (Score:1) by elfbabe (dammit_janet@(spammity_spam)tellmeimcute.com) on Monday October 25, @08:28AM EST (#635) (User Info) http://wcatyclique.webjump.com |
| *laughing* I should have KNOWN not to put up a URL to a site that has my picture. You all realize, of course, that by pursuing a geek chick you're violating the first rule... Marissa Another non-functioning site was “uncertainty.microsoft.com.” The purpose of that site was not known. -- MSNBC |
| Re:I hope.... (Score:1) by scottj (scottj@insane.com) on Wednesday October 27, @07:24PM EST (#765) (User Info) http://insane.com |
You all realize, of course, that by pursuing a geek chick you're violating the first ruleWell, that may be a violation of some people's rules, but it's certainly not a violation of mine. I think I'd rather have a geek chick than a non-geek chick. -- Scott Johnson |
| And, utterly without scientific merit (Score:1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:11PM EST (#171) |
| This is admittedly a very important subject, yet there was no effort to discover the key bio-magnetic and bio-electrical differences between men and women. As just one example, the synapses of the female brain are organized in a tetrahedonal shape, those of the male in a cubic shape. Since information is stored in the magnetically curved space between the synapses, and so, relative to the worldly influences around them, a women's brain will tend to operate on a shorter wavelength than a man's, and faster. Look at the skull size as a starting point for the difference. The larger brain size of the male stretches out the synapses, producing a different magnetic organization of the spaces between synapses, and this slows things down for men. This faster shorter capacity of the female structure is a problem too, in that, their brains are picking up a terrible load of annoying useless noise too. A good woman knows she needs the slower, less noise prone, and more concentrated, imbalanced (that is longer horizon perspective) brains of men, to clear the synatpic air for them, magnetically as it were. The male brain needs more time to concentrate, and the natural inclination of this longer slower wavelength is on beyond-the-horizon invisible-type things. But this greater concentration wavelength generates higher impulse, a male power of truly distant focus, than the female brain. On the same side of the coin, it's a damn fool of a man who ignores the utterly superior information gathering ability of his female counterpart, and her natural synaptic structure and its natural informational wavelengths. While she needs you to love her, by which means you magnetically blow away all the useless crap out of her brain structure every now and then, giving her brain a refreshed starting point from which to start, so too the male needs her superior "eyes and ears," sometimes called social inclinations, to collect necessary worldly information for you, while you concentrate on the next horizon, or whatever your project is. Trust me, if you are focused on and can see that distant horizon, she needs you and will support you, not because she is some inferior support system, but because she needs that distant perspective which can only be achieved by the synaptic structure and wonderful timing lags and focus of the male brain. That's just one point of difference, on the synaptic structure and curvature of the synaptic spaces, resulting in different natural operating tendencies of their brains. Are there any other anthropologists from Mars out there. Beep beep beep. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:2, Insightful) by Forward The Light Br (rsinha@glue.umd.edu) on Sunday October 24, @01:23PM EST (#187) (User Info) |
| Aren't you being a little over-harsh here? Do people who are exactly alike in their interests make good love interests; not in general, with some this is good, but not in general (not for the reasons Roblimo stated, but that is ok; you dont need subservience, you need a change. When you finish setting up that 200+ client BSD cluster, etc., last thing you want to come home to is "How do I do X" or "look honey I just set up a 5000 client cluster with an OS I wrote myself, and it took me 15 mintutes" instead you want to pretend computers dont exist for a while) > One way to evaluate a woman is to take off her clothes and makeup. no one way to evaluate women is to ignore their fancy clothes or the lack thereof, and look beyond their makeup. Very slick twisting of Roblimo's words there... > The ideal woman is one who selflessly meets your every needs. >The proper role for the woman is that of handservant, who considers running your bathwater to be part of a "mutually beneficial" relationship. have you ever been in a relationship? a real one, mind you? I do not mean this as a flame, but your comment does not address the issue. give you an example. If I just got home, and am tired as shit, and I ask my gf to get me a glass of milk SHE WILL. Why is this? A few reasons: there is pure quid-pro-quo; she knows I would do it for her but much more important than that is that this thing called love is involved, and she does it simply because you want it. This does not make her a slave, because if you have ever been in love, men go that far and further in the name of love... and if you want to characterize it as both individuals being slaves to the other DAMN STRAIGHT!!! > Grown breasts are worth waiting for. He was trying to say, if you do not find a given woman attractive, still be nice to her. Ideally you would due to human compassion, but if so you would not need reasons, that comes from inside. Roblimo was giving you the amoral (though valid) reasons to act in a moral manner. >If a woman finds you unattractive, dump her as quickly as possible. No matter how PC and '90s we get, somethings are inherently true, regardless of how distasteful it sounds. Having been in a relationship where I genuinely like the girl, but do not find her attractive, I can tell you it sucks. (I am not a good actor, and I did not want to hurt her) If a woman is in that position she SHOULD dump you, but she may not be able to work up the courage/ not want to hurt you. Both of you would get more hurt if it went on, so the cogent advice is to give her a hand and initiate the breakup... quite frankly my friend, the fact that you got moderated up to 5 scares me, because it means others feel like you. It does not mean that you will hurt others necissarily; you all are much more likely to get hurt. Have a nice day -RS We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars --Oscar Wilde My nick is Forward the Light Brigade, damnit!!! |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:2) by Hobbex (hobbex@fragzone.se) on Sunday October 24, @01:28PM EST (#199) (User Info) |
| I hate to me-too this post, but I couldn't agree more. This article has to be the biggest load of shit I have ever seen on Slashdot, or in any other publication I have respect for. Roblimo may want a wife as a long term prostitute, but hopefully most of us are looking for a real soulmate. I don't want a woman to be "there for me" whenever I want her, I want to be there for her just as much. Obviously the interests don't have to be the same, but I sure as hell want a woman who I feel is my intellectual equal, and that probably means geeky. If anything this article agrees with one of my long time cynisisms: the best way to get women is to be a complete asshole. I think Jon Katz should be proud that Slashdot is around to publish this shit, because it would be censored in just about any real world media. - /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between. para. from Liberty |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by newt on Sunday October 24, @05:33PM EST (#367) (User Info) http://www.freebsd.org/~newton/cv.html |
Roblimo may want a wife as a long term prostitute, but hopefully most of us are looking for a real soulmate. ----- |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by Hobbex (hobbex@fragzone.se) on Sunday October 24, @06:03PM EST (#377) (User Info) |
| Of all things I have been accused of, politically correct hurts most. In retrospect I guess the quoted comment was a little hyperbolic and populistic. I repent. The point is this: the article makes it very clear that what he is primarily looking for in a partner is what it does for him. Whether she will be there for him, have time for him, whatever. I find that disturbing, since (and, like about a lot things, maybe I'm just not disillusioned enough) love should be based on a desire to do things for the other. What they do for you is secondary. If one sees a relationship primarily as a source of affection for oneself (and I realize that a lot of people, men and women, do this) then it IS a lot closer to prostitution than love. - /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between. para. from Liberty |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by newt on Sunday October 24, @06:27PM EST (#390) (User Info) http://www.freebsd.org/~newton/cv.html |
The point is this: the article makes it very clear that what he is primarily looking for in a partner is what it does for him. Whether she will be there for him, have time for him, whatever. I find that disturbing, since (and, like about a lot things, maybe I'm just not disillusioned enough) love should be based on a desire to do things for the other. What they do for you is secondary. If one sees a relationship primarily as a source of affection for oneself (and I realize that a lot of people, men and women, do this) then it IS a lot closer to prostitution than love. ----- |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by Hobbex (hobbex@fragzone.se) on Monday October 25, @05:39AM EST (#612) (User Info) |
| Finally, Rob must have known with reasonable certainty that he'd get flamed royally for daring to speak about some of these things, but he went ahead with it anyway. I respect him for that, and I think there should be more of it: We should be able to be honest in public instead of ducking away from very important truths simply because we know some people with a political axe to grind won't like it. Your original comment about how Katz would be proud a forum like slashdot exists is no doubt true, but I suspect the comments of some of the readers following the article would detract somewhat from the gloss. One of the great losses our society has suffered throughout the 90's is that people have become afraid to talk about what they really think, because there are so many little groups who make a professional point of attacking opinions; My hope for the next decade is that the Internet can help us get back to reality by providing forums for people to be honest about what they think about homosexual Mozambiquian llamas without having to put up with public denigration and hate-crime lawsuits from "The Peoples' Front In Support of Reinforcement of the Sexual Self-Determination of Mozambiquian Llamas". I am a big supporter (as I think I have proved with abundance here on /. ) of being allowed to say things that piss people off. But if you say things publically that piss people off, you have to have thick skin for the reply. Roblimo's public statement that I as a geek should be looking for a woman who is most likely to want to do my bidding is insulting to me. And while he is in his right in insulting me, he will then have to stand for my insulting, equal public, reply that I consider such a relationship nothing more than emotions for sale. obviously it is unfortunate if his wife (who is no-doubt a nice person) should read this and be upset. But he dragged her into this public discussion, not I. - /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between. para. from Liberty |
| Utterly utterly offensive Swedish prissiness (Score:1) by CRConrad (christian.conrad@myEmployer.itsCountry) on Thursday October 28, @01:59AM EST (#769) (User Info) http://www.interbase.com/downloads/summaries/19.html |
| A cheap mail-order outfit from Sweden wrote: "Roblimo's public statement that I as a geek should be looking for a woman who is most likely to want to do my bidding is insulting to me." Only because you're stupidly PC. *Everybody* should be looking for that, not just "you as a geek". OK, not looking for someone "who is most likely to want to do my bidding" as in, "I want a slave" -- but then, only stupidly PC people read Roblimo that way. Read it this way in stead: Given a choice between two otherwise identical women, one of which *would* voluntarily (that's what he said, not "do my bidding") draw you a hot bath when you come home tired, the other wouldn't, what on Earth is better about the latter?!? That she demonstrates a PC sense of "independence" by being an uncaring asshole is *preferable* to you...? "And while he is in his right in insulting me," He wouldn't only be "in his right" in insulting you (if that had beeen what he did, which it wasn't), he'd be *right* in insulting you. Stupidly PC wusses deserve nothing but scorn. "he will then have to stand for my insulting, equal public, reply that I consider such a relationship nothing more than emotions for sale." He *might* have to, if it weren't so obviously a moronic "Good day -- axe handles!" type of response. As it is, no he doesn't. You owe him, and above all his wife, a big fat apology. "obviously it is unfortunate if his wife (who is no-doubt a nice person) should read this and be upset. But he dragged her into this public discussion, not I." Bullshit, asshole. *He* said he loves her and she's a wonderful person; *you* called her a whore. And now you call that *his* fault? How f*cking Swedish can you get? Christian R. Conrad MY opinions, not my employer's - Hedengren, Finland. Country codes are two letters, e-mail addresses lowercase. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:34PM EST (#527) |
| If anything this article agrees with one of my long time cynisisms: the best way to get women is to be a complete asshole. Don't be an asshole, be dominant. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by mellon on Sunday October 24, @01:37PM EST (#213) (User Info) |
> Geek girls are incapable of being loving and considerate, and unloving and inconsiderate geek guys have to avoid that. I think you're right to call Rob on this generalization, but at the same time I think he's right to suggest that the Geek Girl of your Dreams may not exist. There's no need to say that this is only true for inconsiderate geek guys - the fact is that there are more computer geek guys than girls, so if you are only willing to go out with geek girls, you're seriously damaging your odds. I don't see any need to read this statement with the subtext you've given it. > The ideal woman is one who selflessly meets your every needs. Obviously this is an unattainable standard, and I doubt Rob's SO actually qualifies. However, I think that for a relationship to work, both people need to selflessly serve each other, and since everybody's needs are different, it's entirely possible that you may find someone like this. OTOH, you may be better off trying to meet her halfway. And, again, I think you've read a subtext into Rob's message that he didn't intend. > The proper role for the woman is that of handservant, who considers running your bathwater to be part of a "mutually beneficial" relationship. There is no proper role for a woman or man. The only quality that you could assign to such a role is that the woman or man in question should be happy in it, and the roles we are happy in are all different. And again, this is not the way I read Rob's intentions. > One way to evaluate a woman is to take off her clothes and makeup. Well, but it is, isn't it? You may not think that it's a fair way to evaluate a woman, but it's a way. If the woman of your dreams doesn't enjoy seeing you naked, she's not going to try, and the same is true for you. It's tremendously unfortunate that human beings can't just meet mind-to-mind, but it's true. The good news is that one person's yuck is another's yum. > In bars, the females that are unattainable are called "women" while the ones that you are supposed to go after are called "girls". This is pretty tired, don't you think? > If a woman finds you unattractive, dump her as quickly as possible. As opposed to what? If she doesn't find you attractive, what are you supposed to do, get cosmetic surgery? I think this is good advice. > Grown breasts are worth waiting for. What, they're not? Is it not valid for a guy to find breasts attractive? This is silly, in both senses - it's silly to be down on guys for liking breasts, and it's also silly to wait for them to grow. Further, it's not the point. The point is: be nice to people. Don't assume that because you find someone unattractive now, it's okay to treat them badly. I think this is good advice. > Be nice to geeky looking girls, just in case they grow up and look good. How about, "be nice to everybody, because it feels good, and maybe you'll get some benefit from it as well?" > In spite of all of the above, imperfections are to be overlooked. Given that nobody we know is perfect, I think you have to say that this is true. Either that, or you need to embark on a program of changing your world into a place where there are only perfect people, which is not really what Rob's trying to help you do here. > All women are looking for a man to fill the empty void in their lives. I think Rob pretty clearly didn't say this. He said "some are, and some aren't, and you shouldn't be looking for the ones who aren't, because you won't get anywhere with them." And indeed, women who are looking for you to "fill a void in their lives" are probably going to make you miserable. But there are women who know what they want, include "having a man who pleases me" as one of the things they want, are willing to go out and find such a man, and will be pleased when they do. Why is this a problem? > If you're not having any success, find someone like Roblimo, considers himself an expert at picking up chix and is ready to dispense a handful of advice because he has a pleasant and apparently subservient wife who meets his needs. It seems to me that Rob was giving some advice in a brotherly way that he intended to be of help. While his advice does reflect his own values, with which you apparently don't agree, it was nonetheless well-intentioned, and I think if you read it with that in mind it can also be helpful. So why beat him up about it? I don't get it! |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:30PM EST (#331) |
| I'm with ya. This article was the strangest mixture of objectification, generalization, and treating women as classifiable objects, with some sprinkling of "oh, don't forget she's human!" that I've ever seen. The other thing is that, if geek girls are so awful because they like to spend a lot of time doing certain things, geek guys can't be any better and the right advice would be "perhaps you should become a more balanced human being so that you will be more pleasant to be around", instead of "try to pass yourself off as this great genius composer/artist/inventor dude (which, by all avergaes, you're not) and find yourself a happy doormat who can tell herself she's got a great brilliant catch. They're out there, honest!" |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by Tassleman (dschuetz at ausam dot com) on Sunday October 24, @04:37PM EST (#336) (User Info) |
| Geek girls are incapable of being loving and considerate, and unloving and inconsiderate geek guys have to avoid that. I disagree. Most of the geek girls I know are pretty emotional / loving. The ideal woman is one who selflessly meets your every needs. Agreed. The proper role for the woman is that of handservant, who considers running your bathwater to be part of a "mutually beneficial" relationship. Agreed. One way to evaluate a woman is to take off her clothes and makeup. One way, but not necessarily the best way. In bars, the females that are unattainable are called "women" while the ones that you are supposed to go after are called "girls". Disagreed. If a woman finds you unattractive, dump her as quickly as possible. If she has a problem with it, yes. If she's ok with it, no. Grown breasts are worth waiting for. Only if you think she has great potential. Be nice to geeky looking girls, just in case they grow up and look good. I would say be nice to any girls that aren't bitches, regardless of physical appearance. In spite of all of the above, imperfections are to be overlooked. Most, but not all. All women are looking for a man to fill the empty void in their lives. Some, but not all. If you're not having any success, find someone like Roblimo, considers himself an expert at picking up chix and is ready to dispense a handful of advice because he has a pleasant and apparently subservient wife who meets his needs. Agreed. I am a little sexist. I'm also a lot sarcastic. "Just because my business distributes software 'Created by Microsoft Certified Engineers', that doesn't make me evil, does it?" |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (trend in objections) (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @07:17PM EST (#415) |
| I personnally agree with Shepps on this. The story was utterly, utterly offensive. I can only congratulate Shepps on having had the courage to speak up. Obviously, Shepps got a lot of response on his post. What strikes me as exceptionally inane in the way people who disagree with him go about doing so was that they tend to not even understand his post. Shepps wrote something like: """To sum up: Geek girls are incapable of being loving and considerate, and unloving and inconsiderate geek guys have to avoid that. The ideal woman is one who selflessly meets your every needs. The ideal woman is one who selflessly meets your every needs. [etc]""" Anybody with a brain can see that these statements are not anything that Shepps believes in, but his summary of what Roblimo had to say, which he labeled as utterly offensive. What Shepps had to say was not "Women are meat" but "Roblimo believes that women are meat" AND "That is offensive." But obviously quite a few posters lack a brain. Someone posts "What racists are saying is: '[MembersOfSomeRace] are stupid.' That is offensive." Someone answering "Well, I agree that those people are stupid" is the kind of dumbness to which I am referring here. The question is not whether or not some people believe that (many do), but whether or not the statement is offensive (it is). And a bunch of Tony detractors believe that quoting each of those sentences one by one and saying "I agree" of "This is only partly true. Not all girls actually [blah]". The question is not whether you fully or partly agree with Roblimo, but whether or not that constitutes viewing women as meat, and whether or not that is offensive. The answers to both, BTW, is "Yes". And the fact that several Slashdot posters believe offensive things about women does not make it any less offensive. VAD |
| Re:Utterly utterly paranoid (Score:2) by Millennium (rbg6038@spamreallyreallysucks.rit.edu) on Sunday October 24, @06:20PM EST (#388) (User Info) |
| Geez; you don't have to be like that. Roblimo didn't mean it that way, I'm sure. I'll admit, I take something of an issue with the "old-fashioned girl" bit. But honestly, must you see everything a man says about a women as wrong? Really, let's look at your points, and see how someone else interpreted these things... Geek girls are incapable of being loving and considerate, and unloving and inconsiderate geek guys have to avoid that. OK, I have to agree on this one. This was rather poorly worded. I won't say this article couldn't have stood another revision or two. The ideal woman is one who selflessly meets your every needs. I assume you're talking about the "old-fashioned girl" thing. I didn't get that read from the passage, though. It looked to me as though Roblimo was saying that geeks need someone who doesn't mind doing this occasionally. There's a corollary behind this: if she does it sometimes, you'll have to do it too. The proper role for the woman is that of handservant, who considers running your bathwater to be part of a "mutually beneficial" relationship. What you describe is, I think, more of an abusive relationship than a mutually beneficial one. The point Roblimo was making was this: At any one time, no given relationship is ever truly equal to both sides. It balances out over time, but at any given moment the man might need more, or the woman might. That's where the phrase "give and take" comes from. This is another thing where Roblimo left out something he should have added: geeks need (actually, anyone needs) a partner who doesn't mind being on the giving end of things sometimes. But said geek had better be prepared to do his fair share of giving sometimes too. In the end, a good relationship will balance out. One way to evaluate a woman is to take off her clothes and makeup. Oh, please. He was trying to rephrase "people aren't always what they seem at first glance." Besides which, I suppose it is one way to evaluate a woman; not a good way by any means but a way nonetheless. In bars, the females that are unattainable are called "women" while the ones that you are supposed to go after are called "girls". Frankly, I find your paranoia more offensive than anything he said in his article. You're talking semantics now. No need for that. If a woman finds you unattractive, dump her as quickly as possible. There are more types of attraction than physical, you know. I think this is what Roblimo was trying to get at. If someone doesn't find you attractive in any way (or, to word it a bit better, isn't sttracted to you at all), then you're both wasting time in a relationship. It seems to me that you're more obsessed with the physical aspects of Roblimo is, as evidenced by the next couple of statements... Grown breasts are worth waiting for. Be nice to geeky looking girls, just in case they grow up and look good. This wasn't even meant to be advice. He was merely giving an anecdote. The unattractive one is teased by all the boys but one. Then, a few years later, she becomes attractive, and everyone wants her but she is only interested in the one who had been kind to her. The moral of the story: don't be mean to anyone, or your decisions could come back to haunt you. In spite of all of the above, imperfections are to be overlooked. Either you're a hypocrite or you had absolutely no clue what you were doing when you wrote this one. It runs quite counter to your argument. You seem to fight the idea of the "ideal woman" and yet you state here that any imperfection should be taken as grounds for avoiding a relationship. I have some news for you: no one is perfect. That's what real love is: you recognize the faults in your partner, but you love him/her anyway. All women are looking for a man to fill the empty void in their lives. Um, where'd you even pick this one up? I've looked over the article several times and I still can't find anything that even remotely suggests that one. He does say at one point that there are a lot of women who are looking for a man; statistically this is probably quite true (over three billion women on the planet, after all; even one percent of that is still 30,000,000, and there's probably more than one percent looking). If you're not having any success, find someone like Roblimo, considers himself an expert at picking up chix and is ready to dispense a handful of advice because he has a pleasant and apparently subservient wife who meets his needs. Look. Roblimo didn't word everything in the article all that well. He's also new; mistakes are to be expected. Heck; I've been reading Slashdot for four years, my Karma is over 60, and I still word things pretty poorly sometimes. No need to jump all over him for one mistake. -Millennium |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by cdlu (canada@spamless.geecs.org) on Sunday October 24, @07:07PM EST (#412) (User Info) http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~canada |
| Moderation Totals:Flamebait=3, Insightful=5, Interesting=2, Funny=1, Overrated=2, Total=13. we're not controversial(sp?) now are we? :) [3] + Stopped /root/slashdot |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by Watcher on Sunday October 24, @10:17PM EST (#489) (User Info) |
| > Geek girls are incapable of being loving and considerate, and unloving and inconsiderate geek guys have to avoid that. I don't think that is the point Roblimo is trying to make. THe point is, do we really want to date someone just like ourselves? What is there to share, aside from coding tips and geek info? I've tried it, and they don't work out too well. One of the greatest things about dating someone who has different interests than yourself (and I don't mean a guy from IS and a girl from software development) is sharing that. One of the greatest things about a relationship, in my opinion, is learning from a girlfriend things I wouldn't have learnt otherwise, discussing our views on the world (I've gotten a bit philosophical because of it, and examined the world in ways I never would have before), and teaching her things she didn't know before. A relationship dies the day you stop sharing like that. |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by Stiggy (kirk@nospam.exotype.com) on Monday October 25, @03:24AM EST (#587) (User Info) http://www.exotype.com/ |
| While I agree with you I found Rob's mating advice more humorous than offensive. Or perhaps a little of both. If you want to know what women want the worst thing you can do is ask another guy. At best he'll only be able to relate his own experiences. At worst he'll drudge up a bunch of generalizations and stereotypes. Women are all different. Everyone of them. If you want to know what women want get to know one. Find out the particulars. And then think for yourself. -Kirk E X O T Y P E |
| Re:Utterly utterly offensive (Score:1) by colnago (colnago@cinternet.net) on Monday October 25, @08:49AM EST (#645) (User Info) |
| Perhaps it's offensive, but I got mine and she's worth a million. Maybe you just don't got yours and you're resentful. Maybe it's your problem. We all laugh at Dave Barry (and if you don't you've been at your crt too long), and this is nothing but the same. - Colnago It is now safe to switch off your computer |
| Completely, totally, utterly realistic. (Score:2) by Amphigory (patrick at extremehope dot organization) on Monday October 25, @09:06AM EST (#651) (User Info) http://www.extremehope.org |
| I have now been married for four years. This is my first and, barring the tragedy of an untimely death, will be my only marriage. This statement has to do with some rather strong religious beliefs I have: even if my wife divorced me, I would not remarry. And she feels the same way. So, we have to make our marriage work. And work it does. Why does it work? Because both my wife and myself are willing to put aside our egos in pursuit of happiness. Your post reeks of the self-aggrandizement that our society has used to replace humility. A real marriage that is going to have any future has to include mutual sacrifice. And yes, there have been occasions where that has included my wife acting as my servant. But there's a flip side to that. I have an obligation to care for my wife, no matter what. That obligation includes dieing for her if the issue came up. It includes working hard a long way from home four days a week so that she doesn't have to work and one of us can stay home with our son. Why her? Because I have job skills that let me make more money, plus I really suck at breast-feeding. (On an aside: my son is now coming up on two and has only been sick -- including colds and ear infections -- when he was teething. Compare that to a formula-fed baby sometime). I have done some, limited, marital counseling. And I can tell you that the only way that a marriage will work in the long term is if both partners give up their ego's and petty desires and pursue the much more lasting joy that can be found in marriage and family. Most problems in marriage come when one partner decides that "just this once" they will place their immediate wants ahead of the needs of their marriage and family. They gave up that right when they said "Love, honor, and cherish till death do us part". Anything less than total love and total sacrifice as though your spouse is yourself is not marriage, but masturbation. This will be contentious, but I have to say that I am so sick of our culture acting as though everyone has some kind of right to pursue their immediate wants. Often, you have to give up your immediate wants to get what you need -- and you will find greater joy in getting what you really need than the shallow "self-esteem" that our culture glorifies. It's called being an adult. I'm rambling... Later. |
| I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:5, Insightful) by sumana (sumanah@uclink4.berkeley.edu) on Sunday October 24, @11:48AM EST (#36) (User Info) |
| Okay, much of the advice is good. Be straightforward. Don't try to be something you're not. Don't be a jerk, even if you're interacting with a dork. Be careful about looking for (a) a mirror image of yourself or (2) the Human Barbie or (iii) trying to make her into something she's not, i.e., changing her instead of appreciating how she is. But I have problems when "Uncle Robin" excludes entire female populations from consideration. When he says, no geek girls, and don't think too much about the really pretty ones either, isn't he going against the whole idea of considering people on their own merits, as opposed to group affiliation? Granted, "pretty" girls who spend a lot of time on their outsides sometimes, maybe often, have rotten insides. But how is it that a geek girl "competes" in an unhealthful way? Don't you want someone who can UNDERSTAND when you're talking about a problem at the office/boxen/latest Linux convention? Or would you rather have a very nice girl, who is clueless when it comes to what you DO 80 hours a week, fix you some cookies and run a nice hot bath? I mean, come ON. I'm a (pseudo)geek girl. I have a geek man. We get along famously. If anything, I'm MORE accepting of his computer obssession because I share some of it. A woman who doesn't Get It may not Get You. Just, all I'm saying is, don't just banish us from consideration with a flick of the finger because we're too much like you, or might compete for...for what?
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| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by InsomniacsDream on Sunday October 24, @12:14PM EST (#85) (User Info) http://cml.grc.nasa.gov/~chuck |
| I prefer "fix some cookies and run a hot bath" myself ;) I don't think he was excluding the group of "geek girls", just that USUALLY a "geek girl" might not be a good match for a "geek boy". In my case that is definitely true. That's not to say there aren't exceptions (like in your case), just statistically speaking. Maybe a "geek girl" would be good for a "suit(ironed t-shirt)-guy". Of course, it does always come down to each person's individuality. The last thing my wife wants to talk about with me is computers, but I find that refreshing. When I'm brain-fried, I love to get my mind off my normal work and think about dumb things. I suppose there are people who never get brain-fried, but I'm not one of them. OK, excuse me while I dumb-down a little so I can blend back into the mortal world (I have to wrap some presents for my niece's b-day party). There's no show like Jerry Springer ... there's no show like Jerry Springer. Kansas, here I come! Cheers. ----------------------------------------- You're getting sleepy ... very sleepy ... |
| Utopia... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:16PM EST (#88) |
| I wish I knew someone like you (: |
| Also a geek girl, and agreeing w/ you (Score:1) by anneke (anneke_AT_anneke.net) on Sunday October 24, @12:30PM EST (#102) (User Info) http://www.anneke.net |
| I'm in total agreement with Sumana: sure, I'm offended that he thinks geek girls aren't worth pursuing. Roblimo grants that geek guys have moments when they 'want some loving' when they /aren't/ staring at their monitors. How come geek /girls/ can't want cuddle-time when they're away from their monitors as well? Secondly, it's a heck of a lot nicer when your significant other understands why the heck you're so interested in computers n' stuff. It doesn't have to be the only thing you discuss (Roblimo was right there) but there's something to be said for having like passions. And i'm not talking sex here. Other than that, his advice is pretty good. Pay attention to what she *says,* her body language...look her in the eye. Sure, body is nice, but it's not everything. Pay her honest compliments... and maybe you'll find someone to share serious time with, more than/instead of some empty "let's get laid" thing, which is probably only a temporary fix anyway. Best of luck to the nice, sweet, i-do-more-than-talk-about-my-computers geek guys out there. Be yourself. If you fake who you are, you'll be unhappy with what you end up with anyway. --Anneke "Real Women Use Linux" |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:4, Funny) by starling on Sunday October 24, @12:32PM EST (#110) (User Info) |
| > compete for...for what? Cycles, bandwidth, disk space... important stuff like that. Hmm. *ponder* Going out with a geek girl as an excuse to upgrade the home network. Definite possibilities there 8-) -- starling |
| moderate this bitch up! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:35PM EST (#208) |
| dewd, that was damn funny...come on |
| Works here. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @02:59PM EST (#281) |
| My semi-geek girlfriend always gets the latest and greatest.. (Dual PIII 500 right now) and I get the spare cycles. :) |
| Don't take ``Roblammo'' so seriously.. (Score:4, Flamebait) by Kitsune Sushi (kitsune@darkink.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:35PM EST (#118) (User Info) http://www.darkink.com/~kitsune/ |
I would like to take this oppurtunity to invite all of you to take one more look at the topic this was posted under.. What's that? It's.. humor..? That's right everyone! I'll agree, however, that if you take this article dead seriously, it's highly offensive. However, I don't think you should. ~ Kish If you have something intelligent to say, you'll log in or get moderated up so I can read it. Otherwise, you're wasting your time. |
| good point... (Score:1) by bla (et.cetera@sympatico.ca) on Sunday October 24, @01:56PM EST (#231) (User Info) |
| indeed it is posted under "humor." whaddya know? and here i thought he was serious. i think roblimo and the rest of the /. operators should've looked at this more carefully. yes, it is posted under humor, but many people are not taking it as such (obviously). and i think they should have expected that. to post something that, truthfully, is this offensive on /. is asking for trouble. some people will take this advice to heart. as a woman, i find it offensive, yet i can see the humor in it. as a woman and a regular /. reader, i find it dangerous. i expect more from people who tout moderation of posts. |
| Why, thank you.. (Score:1) by Kitsune Sushi (kitsune@darkink.com) on Sunday October 24, @02:19PM EST (#249) (User Info) http://www.darkink.com/~kitsune/ |
..though I'll admit that you're probably right that it should have been made a little more obvious by ``Roblammo'' over there, and there really is no substitute for good sense (that is, don't substitute sound thought and judgement with vacuous shots in the dark by so-called ``experts''). I can't really say how I feel about what I'd expect from people who tout moderation of posts, because I, for one, am a prime target for faulty moderation (and thus, I have mixed feelings, myself), along with everyone else who has broken the 60-70 point barrier. =P ~ Kish If you have something intelligent to say, you'll log in or get moderated up so I can read it. Otherwise, you're wasting your time. |
| Re:good point... (Score:3, Informative) by roblimo (roblimo.nojunk@slashdot.org) on Sunday October 24, @03:13PM EST (#288) (User Info) http://andovernews.com/bio_miller.html |
| Yep. The number of people taking my little light-hearted bit seriously *is* frightening, isn't it? I ran it by my wife before posting it. She found it funny, and I trust her judgement on such things more than I trust my own. Debbie (my wife) is not a clueless bimbo ; she's a talented artist and an adept computer user. She's also a former Baltimore police officer who enjoys playing with guns. I wrote exclusively about what a (geek) man might want from a woman. One of the women reading this might want to write a similar piece from her point of view. (E-mail me first to make sure it doesn't get lost in the submissions bin, okay?) But that's enough /. contention for one day. I think I'll take Debbie out for an early supper at her favorite dress-up restaurant as soon as I finish washing the breakfast dishes. She deserves it. And besides, I love her and enjoy making her happy. - Robin |
| So... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @05:58PM EST (#374) |
| ... how large are her breasts then? |
| top 10 dangerous ideas (Score:3, Insightful) by chialea (chialea@hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @10:07PM EST (#485) (User Info) http://169.229.85.118/ |
| while I believe you meant it lightly, I'll join the crowd of people who are calling it dangerous. while you are older than many of us who are making our way out into higher education/the workplace, I don't think this excuses your frankly outdated views. yes, it's nice to be taken care of, and to take care of someone in return. however, your lighthearted advice doesn't quite conceal a few (probably subliminal) biases in your mind. I'm not trying to flame you, but in the interests of the women out there, you might want to take a look at what I have to say. I'm very interested in your response, so please email or post back. 1. "don't waste your time on geek girls" this holds two rather interesting assumptions - a) everyone who's reading this is either a) a heterosexual male or b) a homosexual female. as neither, I found the title quite striking. am I really a waste of time? my s.o. doesn't seem to think so, oddly enough. 2. "wouldn't it be nice if you found a woman who shares your interests? NO." well, as you said in the post I'm responding to, you say your wife is a "talented artist and an adept computer user". apparenly she at least understands what you do, assuming that that's computers. one could also suppose that, forming a balanced, healthy relationship, you also share some interests of hers, perhaps in guns or art. while doing things outside of your normal sphere is healthy and interesting, see how long you can spend with a person who shares no interests with you. at least for me, that's not very long. 3. "She'd be obsessively coding or posting on Slashdot herself, and would brush you off when you needed her. What you really want is a woman who will be there for you when you get tired of staring at your monitor and need some loving, but will leave you alone and not demand your attention when you're busy." rather one-sided, is it not? you reserve the right to interrupt her at any time, but you don't want her to do the same in return? I admit that this can be a problem in a geek-geek relationship, but I've seen it be even more of a problem in a geek-nongeek relationship. at least a geek understands when you're REALLY busy, and will keep you from working ALL the time, but allow you to get what is truly important done. it simply requires understanding. 4. "Men involved in activities that demand long periods of intense concentration (programmers, artists, writers, musicians, etc.) need women who will respect what they do and help them do it well, not women who compete with them." so I am competition? for what? perhaps if a person is obsessed with being THE best at whatever she/he does, they would have a problem having a relationship with someone who also shared those interests. perhaps it is that person who has a problem, and not the geek commmunity at large. this is not a view I would expect in the nineties, but rather in the fifties. it harks back to the fear that boys have of meeting a girl who is better/smarter/tougher than they are, because they expect to be better/smarter/tougher by virtue of their sex. I, at least, look for a mate I respect highly, and if their proficiency is in my field, that is not a detractor. 5. "There are plenty of these women out there. They're as eager to find you as you are to find them." the WWN would suggest otherwise :) 6. "instead of wasting your time on women with whom you cannot possibly build a long-term, mutually beneficial relationship" who do you mean? the geek girls? I'd hope we are not to be dismissed from consideration so lightly. 7. "If I want to discuss PC hardware I do it with male friends, not with my wife." I'd hate to assUme, but perhaps you have not had any sort of a relationship with a geek girl, including any sort of friendship. we may be "one of the guys" in some ways, but since we are certainly not male, I assume you're not referring to one of us. perhaps you will someday. we're not all bad. :) 8. "she'll let you know that, too (so you can dump her before you get too serious)" if she finds you unattractive, she'll dump you, generally. no need for Macho Man to do it for her, so I would avoid jumping to conclusions. 9. "She took longer than most to develop in the chest department, but the results were worth waiting for." as much as guys seem to be obsessed by breasts, I can't bring myself to believe you meant this as you phrased it. I don't agree with the general sentiment either, but you have a right to your opinion. 10. "Understanding women is harder than figuring out the hardest computer game, harder even than setting up a secure 200-client network running *BSD" same goes for guys, you know. now, many of your "life/relationship wisdom" nuggets are good ones, but quite a bit of the overtone is outdated and frankly a bit sexist. I'm not trying to insult you, that's just the way it looks to me, a geek girl of a younger generation. perhaps I've misinterpreted you, but that's neither here nor there. I really do hope someone writes that woman piece, or even a balancing male piece, since many guys I know don't share many of your views (and brought this article to my attention becasue they were quite PO'd on my behalf). Lea (real email: chialea@cory.eecs.berkeley.edu) |
| Re:top 10 dangerous ideas (Score:2) by Rabbins (robbins@rickjames.IEATSPAM.sapien.net) on Monday October 25, @08:50AM EST (#646) (User Info) http://k-swimming.org |
| now, many of your "life/relationship wisdom" nuggets are good ones, but quite a bit of the overtone is outdated and frankly a bit sexist. I think people need to lighten up. A good dose of sexism is fun and healthy... as long as it is taken somewhat lightly. Sure, I am sexist, I admit it. I think there are inherent differences between how men and women behave and react to certain situations. Those differences can be funny, and there is no reason to pretend they do not exist. I also feel a need to, and enjoy "protecting" the women I date. I still believe in "ladies first", and when walking arm in arm, the man should walk on the street side. I will open doors and shiver in the cold after giving away my jacket. Maybe it potrays a sense of fragility that is not present for woman, but I enjoy doing these things... call me a caveman. I like bitching about women and their ways, and I enjoy hearing others bitch about men and their ways. I like going out with the "guys" on occasion... and then being made fun of for the stupid things we do. I also enjoy making fun of her when she goes out with the "gals", and the stupid things they do. Sexism is fine... as long as there is mutual respect. *I am the bully who made gradeschool a living hell for you and all your geek friends... and now I've found you! |
| "sexism is fine"? (Score:1) by MissionControl on Monday October 25, @12:30PM EST (#689) (User Info) http://www.personal.psu.edu/keb189 |
| Sexism is defined by WWWebster's as "1 : prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination against women 2 : behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex". By definition, sexism precludes mutual respect. |
| To those who are going to object to this: (Score:3, Insightful) by fable2112 (fable@servtech.spam-me-not.com) on Monday October 25, @10:55AM EST (#665) (User Info) http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/7723/ |
| People objected loud and clear (and rightly so!) to the "geek profiling" that occured post-Columbine. People ALSO objected to the stereotyping of "jocks" and other athletes.
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| Re:good point... (Score:1) by Mike Micelli on Monday October 25, @06:25AM EST (#617) (User Info) |
| Hey Robin, I thought this post was pretty good. These are exactly the thoughts that went through my head when I selected my wife. Just want you to know that not everyone of us is so sensitive as to take your story WAY out of context. BTW, my wife enjoyed your article, too. She unsderstood what you MEANT! :) Peace |
| Re:Don't take ``Roblammo'' so seriously.. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:13PM EST (#316) |
| While the article might not have been entirely serious, there are some perfectly valid points in there. This just doesn't fit under any other category, so it was put into "humor." Considering the frequency of articles dealing with this in the past few days, /. should have a "Females" section. |
| Re:Don't take ``Roblammo'' so seriously.. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @05:38PM EST (#369) |
| the article seemed to be addressing some issues in a rather serious manner. I hadn't noticed it was in humor, but even though it is, I still have some doubts. either it's very tounge in cheek, or it's honest advice, or maybe some parts are tounge in cheek and some parts are meant to be honest advice. either way, i hope rob is more explicit next time he jokes around like this, -Ram |
| Drue Miller, geek girl extraordinary (Score:1) by EdlinUser (jamesmcinis@nospam.ipa.net) on Sunday October 24, @12:38PM EST (#122) (User Info) http://www.ipa.net/~jamesmcinis |
| wrote this: http://www.drue.com/writings/geekgirl.html Philippe Kahn: We've missed you. Come join us on the GNU frontier. |
| Re:Drue Miller, geek girl extraordinary (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:09PM EST (#312) |
| Isn't a Drue one of those large creatures that are likely to devour Adventurers who are lost in darkness? -Chris |
| Re:Drue Miller, geek girl extraordinary (Score:1) by coreybrenner (coreybrenner@yahoo.com) on Sunday October 24, @04:58PM EST (#350) (User Info) |
| I think that was a "Groo". --Corey |
| Things to eat when it's dark... (FYI) (Score:1) by sumana (sumanah@uclink4.berkeley.edu) on Sunday October 24, @07:14PM EST (#414) (User Info) |
| It's "grue." Check the Jargon File entry: "[from archaic English verb for `shudder', as with fear]" ..."The grue was originated in the game Zork (Dave Lebling took the name from Jack Vance's "Dying Earth" fantasies) and used in several other Infocom games as a hint that you should perhaps look for a lamp, torch or some type of light source. Wandering into a dark area would cause the game to prompt you, "It is very dark. If you continue you are likely to be eaten by a grue." If you failed to locate a light source within the next couple of moves this would indeed be the case. ..." |
| I could be wrong but maybe you mean a drow? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @09:45AM EST (#653) |
| drow = A dark elf. |
| Probably not... (Score:1) by Mr. Hankey (nohormel-barrows@bridgemicro.com) on Tuesday October 26, @04:38AM EST (#730) (User Info) |
| Nope, different universe, different "monster"... Drow are dark skinned elves who serve Lolth and turn into spider-beasts if they flunk a test. The grue is a large beast which lives its life in dark areas waiting for lamps to run out. Anyone out there remember the Wishbringer book (based on the Infocom game I believe, or was it the other way around...) and Mary Sue Grue? :-) I wonder what her view on this entire debacle would be, heh... |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:3, Insightful) by Jerf on Sunday October 24, @12:47PM EST (#133) (User Info) http://www.jerf.org |
| I don't think that Roblimo was trying to dismiss entire populations with a wave of his hand, but I do understand why a few women have posted comments being upset at him about the perception that he is doing so. This was basically guy talk here, so don't read too much into it :-) The problem he is trying to address is that so many guys/men only look for geek women, only look for Beautific Babes, or, worse yet, only look for Beautific Geek Babes (wow... talk about long odds; I go to a fricken' huge university and there aren't more then one or two Beautific Geek Babes around here!), that they overlook the other 90% of the population. Constraining yourself to 10% of the population from the get go, and shrinking it from there to "decent girls" (and Roblimo's right to the extent that Beautific Babes have a negative correlation with a good personality, which makes things even worse), is not a good way to suceed in this scenario, and as a resul guys retreat into fantasy land of what things will be like Real Soon Now instead of taking the opportunities presenting themselves Right Now. If Roblimo was going to write something that would offend nobody, it would be at least twice as long and therefore twice as likely not to be read. (OK, OK, that's glib, but it's at least generally true.) He made some generalizations in the process of trying to quickly debunk other people's generalizations; to make them think about their own preconcieved notions by presenting them with other ideas. It's a Good Thing; I'm suspect Roblimo would be the last to claim that this was The Final Word on this topic. The reader is expected to take the opportunity to, ummmm, I don't know what verb to put here, take? a Babe or Geek if the opportunity presents, but to look beyond that anyhow. (Me? I'm extremely happily engaged to a zoologist, who has a basic understanding of computing but still has no idea why I get paid what I do for being a good webmaster. If I'd stuck to local geek girls, I'd have never gotten anywhere. More people need to realize that this may be true for them too. It's not necessarily true for everybody, but it is for some.) |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by Freehold on Sunday October 24, @01:37PM EST (#212) (User Info) |
| I think perhaps it depends on your definition of geek. Personally, I define it as "Someone who values intelligence above all physical qualities." So, basically, smart people. Am I being too broad? |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by J. J. Ramsey on Sunday October 24, @02:02PM EST (#234) (User Info) |
| "I think perhaps it depends on your definition of geek. Personally, I define it as "Someone who values intelligence above all physical qualities." "So, basically, smart people. Am I being too broad?" I'd say so. A geek also has a tendency to not quite fit in socially. That doesn't mean that geeks can't be social at all, but that it's not as natural for them or that it doesn't come as easily, especially if one is talking about being social with normal people, as opposed to those about on one's own wavelength. ----I am a fool for Christ. Mostly I am a fool.---- |
| Cause and Effect (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @02:41PM EST (#264) |
| IMO, a "geek" would not fit in /because/ they value inteligence above all physical qualities. This is especially true in adolescent environments where physical qualities are obviously valued above all other things - like High School. |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by Freehold on Sunday October 24, @05:41PM EST (#371) (User Info) |
| Hmmmm... Yeah, I'd have to agree with you. I guess my problem was with assuming Geek meant Computer Geek. I find that the term aplies to lots of different professions (hobbies too, I suppose). |
| fable2112's Token Rant(tm) (Score:1) by fable2112 (fable@servtech.spam-me-not.com) on Wednesday October 27, @08:13PM EST (#766) (User Info) http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/7723/ |
| Nerd != computer nerd. Geek != programmer, necessarily.
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| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:3, Insightful) by Lexi_the_linux_girl (punkrockgirl@startrekmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @01:36PM EST (#209) (User Info) http://ume.med.ucalgary.ca/~alexandr |
| If a geek girl ands geek boy have divergent interests in the realm of geekdom, it can also make things less competetive. Like a hardware and a software geek or perhaps a sysadmin and a programmer. You can't have too much in common as to lead to competetiveness or boredom, but a common interest in a realm - but different aspects can be quite interesting. Take it from me - that is what I have, and it rules. How about advice for the lovelorn geekettes? The single geekettes may like some advice too on how to find that man who doesn't mind thier passion for source code. I would have to say the best advice I can give from my experience is find a man who does not need to be cared for or mothered in any way. Find a man who considered it a treat if you bake cookies - although you would have rather translated the recipie into perl for humor sake. A man who needs to be cared for, and needs his dinner cooked for him or he will forget to eat, with not appreciate the time you spend programming. Find a man who lives alone, without roomates. Never takes his laundry home to his mom, infact preferable lives in a different city than his mom. Mama's boys are looking for a girl who will take care of him just like mom did except with the extra of sex. Don't go for the best looking man on the block unless all you want is a superficial cheating ego-maniac. Trophy boyfriends are for women like Melanie Griffith and Cher. They are just a waste of time. What women wants a man who takes more time getting ready to go out than she does. If a man is dressed to well, either his mama dressed him or his girlfriend does. Also, if you are more of a programmer, do not date a fellow programmer. He WILL compete with you. Men are threatened by the possibility of anyone, man or women being better than they are. Any illusions of working on a program together are shattered the first time that either of you finds a flaw in the other's source code. A programming girl needs a man who can cook his own annd even her dinner occasionally. Although two programmers may be able to afford fast food and takeout frequently, it is not the best solution.A man who has lived alone should be able to cook at least a few staples. Meeting a man like this, an independent man, may seem like an impossible task. Here is a couple tips on how and where to find him. First of all he won't be at the bar. There are only two types at the bar, the vain ones who are looking for a one night stand, and the mama's boys who are too shy to talk to a girl. Let friendship be your guide, male and female friends are always willing to set up single friends. Become friends first, then later lovers. Men are more relaxed than women with making the transition from friends to lovers. You rarely hear from men the statement "You are such a good friend, I wouldn't want to ruin it by sleeping with you." Men want to sleep with almost all of thier female friends. And teenage geekettes, don't worry, your self confindence with bloom, as will you body. I was flat as a board until I was 19. I look great now. The biggest advice I can give to a girl is if you don't have self confidence, fake it! If you saren't having fun, fake it! Self-selfconfident men are attracted to self-confident women. And you don't want a mama's boy. -- The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny..." - Isaac Asimov |
| Good Lord - and you were being serious..... (Score:1) by threeJane[ltk] (3jane@SPAMMYlotek.org) on Sunday October 24, @02:13PM EST (#244) (User Info) http://www.d6ga.com |
As a counterexample, So there :) I don't mean to sound reactionary (I'm sure I do), but this post is riddled with the same preconceptions and forceful empiricisim that it is ment to counteract. Thank you, (yes, I am male) |
| Re:...you were being serious? Not At All! (Score:2, Informative) by Lexi_the_linux_girl (punkrockgirl@startrekmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @02:58PM EST (#280) (User Info) http://ume.med.ucalgary.ca/~alexandr |
| Parody using generalizations, yet putting a few valid points in doesn't always come off perfect. Sorry if I offended you, Roblimo's post had the same sort of generalisations - yet made some valid points. Rob's valid points were to be yoursdelf, and not to set standards too high or you may be overlooking a perfect girl for you simply because she does not look like the girl of your dreams. My point was to the girls, that you can not sacrifice your own independence for a man, and that there are some men out there, perhaps Rob included who need a woman to care not just about them, but for them. These men are what I was refering to as Mama's Boys. Also the point about a bar as a meeting place, the bar can be a fine place to dance, and even have a relaxing drink - but it is not a place to meet a lover or a partner. You want to meet a person when you are of clear mind to genuinely assess thier character. And with regards to the statement about men all wanting to sleep with thier female friends - that was obvious in its lack of sincerity. Friends make the best lovers - and best mates. There is a trust there. What that waas is a parody of the "you are such a good friend ..." syndrome some of the men I know have endured. I have met less females than men who have went through the experience of developing a crush on a friend and not having it recipocated. The last couple lines should have made the parody of the whole thing more clear, but still there was a point there. If you feel you are lacking in self-confidence and you decide to play the part, self-confidence often follows. Same with when you are out with friends, if you are having an awfully dull time, act like you are having fun, and soon enough, you will be. It is a simple little axiom, but we reap what we sow, if you want a fun loving, self-confident partner, you are more likely to find that partner if you are fun-loving and self-confident. Who you are attracts a certain type of partner. I am sure a man like you will have no trouble atracting a woman who likes a creative, secure man. After all, you must have confidence to admit being a mama's boy!! - Just kidding. -- The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny..." - Isaac Asimov |
| Aaaah, thanks (Score:1) by threeJane[ltk] (3jane@SPAMMYlotek.org) on Sunday October 24, @03:53PM EST (#303) (User Info) http://www.d6ga.com |
| Hehe, all said, I missed the forest for the trees My eye for delicate parody can sometimes only reach as far as my own humor:) Cheers, .3jane[ltk] |
| Satire or not, it has some good points (Score:2) by fable2112 (fable@servtech.spam-me-not.com) on Wednesday October 27, @08:24PM EST (#767) (User Info) http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/7723/ |
| There is a certain group of guys my approximate age (I'm 22; the guys are between 19 and 23) that I have nicknamed the Lost Boys. They either live at home or JUST moved out on their own, have dropped out or flunked out of college, and are generally speaking working McJobs (or not working at all). They've got all kinds of fancy technology-related toys, and they either expect Mommy to cook for them or they live on ramen noodles and Mountain Dew or spend way too much money at TGI Friday's. And they annoy the hell out of me (especially since two of 'em just moved in across the street -- did I mention neither has a car, one has no license, and my boyfriend and I keep getting calls to drive them around?)
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| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by Kesh on Sunday October 24, @02:16PM EST (#246) (User Info) |
| I think part of it can be compared to a couple who are both doctors. If one comes home, and the spouse asks "How was your day?", would you really want them telling you they would've done a different procedure, or made a different diagnosis? Don't get me wrong... sometimes it's great to have someone who does understand your work/hobby. Other times though, it just leads to friction and problems. I suppose it depends on the individual. So I agree with you, don't exclude all geeks from your dating, but it's something to be a little wary of until you find out how it's going to work. |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by coreybrenner (coreybrenner@yahoo.com) on Sunday October 24, @05:05PM EST (#354) (User Info) |
| You gotta feel for the wife of a gynecologist, especially one in need of a little nookie. "I swear, if I see one more of those..." --Corey |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by treat on Monday October 25, @12:01AM EST (#541) (User Info) |
| I think part of it can be compared to a couple who are both doctors. If one comes home, and the spouse asks "How was your day?", would you really want them telling you they would've done a different procedure, or made a different diagnosis? Rather than just agreeing with me because they don't understand what I'm talking about? Or pretending to listen because they don't even care? Or me having to make up something to talk about that they will care about? I rarely can talk about my day at work with a non-geek girl. Even when it's something simple, it would take too much explaining, and they won't appreciate it. I like to talk to people, and I don't like repeating conversations. When you've both run out of stories from your life, all that's left is new ones from day to day. It helps to share enough interests that you can continue having good conversations. |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:2, Interesting) by redspice on Sunday October 24, @02:32PM EST (#258) (User Info) |
| I have to agree with her. I'm a geekgirl also, and personally, I'd rather have someone just like me, instead of someone completely the opposite. I'd want to have a guy that actually new what I was talking about and is into computers. Now, that doesn't mean they have to be someone where computers are their life, but at least they have interest in them and don't mind when I talk about computers all the time, especially since that's what I do for my job (sys admin). I don't feel like it would be a competition at all, why would it be? In fact I think it would be fun to set up a home network together with a significant other, it's not like we'd be competing for a computer. (I mean I have about 4 of them anyway right now.) But, I do have to say that most of everything that "Uncle Robin" I would agree with though. A lot of that is good advice. Some main rules: DON'T USE PICKUP LINES (there's nothing we hate more), just be yourself (we think its cute if your nervous :)), dont' be the smooth talker, again, just be yourself, don't be afraid to confront us (you don't know how many times people have told me that they have no idea why I've been single so long, but its because no one confronts me), if have you to break up with her, DO IT IN PERSON, don't wimp out and do it on the phone, or online, that's the worst thing you could do. I've dated a geek guy before, and I think it would worked out fine. Just because we are geeks to doesn't mean we don't like to hug or fool around less than other girls, in fact I think we like to do that stuff even more than non-geek girls! We do other things besides computers all day. I like to think of myself as a well-rounded individual thats a jack of all trades, but master of none. Overall, just be yourself, there's nothing better you can do than that! |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:2, Informative) by Macka on Sunday October 24, @03:04PM EST (#283) (User Info) |
| I have a friend, now a mother of two, who was a Police Woman when I first met her. Despite dating anything but Police Men, when she eventualy decided to settle that's exactly what she picked. When I asked her why she replied: Being a Police Man/Woman has its own unique kind of pressures and problems. Who better to understand and support me when I come home after a bad day (had a murder or similar). Someone in another profession just wouldn't be able to relate in the same way. My present partner isn't a techie, or a geek. She's a sales manager for a software company. But being in the same industry she understands the long hours (puts them in herself) and the type of job I do. I've had previous partners from totally different walks of life that didn't understand my job, or the amount of time I spend on Linux and resented it. So I think there's something to be said for someone who perhaps shares ones interests or at least can relate to it in some way. Macka |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by lange on Sunday October 24, @10:17PM EST (#490) (User Info) http://ir.chem.cmu.edu/lange/ |
| In some ways, I'd tend to agree. And indeed, my girlfriend is a techie. Ironically however, it wasn't until dating me that she became a techie and is now pursuing a career in Information Systems. I guess in hindsight then, I followed Uncle Robin's advice, but she turned into a geek anyway! :) Sorta makes you wonder... |
| Geek convert (Score:1) by sumana (sumanah@uclink4.berkeley.edu) on Monday October 25, @11:58AM EST (#685) (User Info) |
| I wasn't ultra-geeky till I got to Berkeley and met my SO. Heck, never heard of Linux, etc. So yeah, interests blend, etc.
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| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @04:14PM EST (#317) |
| Maybe it would be better for some of us to have non-geek girlfriends because deep inside, we wish to escape computers somewhat. Having a non-geek GF would probably be healthy because it will help expose us to other things in life, rather than reinforce our narrow realm of experiences. |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by alhaz (alhaz@we.areb.org) on Sunday October 24, @06:02PM EST (#376) (User Info) http://we.areb.org |
| What's unfortunate tho, is that a lot of engineering types really /do/ go for June Lockheart rather than any other type of girl. Personally, I'd probably get bored married to the female version of myself. One of the reasons to have someone else around is to share a complementary perspective on life. On the other hand, if i was married to someone who was completely apathetic to all aspects of technology, I would probably go completely nuts obsessing over the fear that my wife is smiling and nodding entirely for my own benefit, and dying of boredom on the inside. The vast majority of people in the world don't work in highly technical fields. An auto assembly line worker marrying another auto assembly line worker isn't so much an issue as it would be if the profession was more involved. There really isn't that much to the job, so the major interests are more than likely well outside of their field of employment. But in studied careers, be they technology related, literary, artistic, legal, whathaveyou, there is the possibility of a feeling of competition between two people who are otherwise partners. I've seen this in action, and it's not a pretty sight. I would by no means rule out girls who are just as big a geek as i am. Nor would i rule out girls who's interests are elsewhere. And i say "girl" meaning "female who is significantly younger than my mother". So, yeah, I'd have to agree that it's bad advice, but "Uncle Robin" is just trying to chop up a larger personality issue into smaller pieces so that it's easier to handle. Or maybe he just sees that there are millions of geek guys longing after the hundreds of thousands of geek girls when their ideal mate may or may not be one of them. Sometimes you can exclude entire groups. I don't think I'll be marrying any racists or smokers. I've kissed a girl who smokes camels, and man, tho i love the girl and liked her a whole lot at the time, sheesh, yuck. Kissing my dirty socks would taste better. We parted for unrelated reasons, but when you start talking about "forever", issues that don't make a big difference when you're dating start to be a bigger deal. But it's foolish to try and focus in on a particular group. What you can do, if you get serious about getting hitched, is try to weed out the individuals who have traits that are obviously going to cause friction down the road. And that's where the greater personality issues come into play. Too many people these days get married foolishly, why else would we have such a high divorce rate? Try to save the world a little heartache, find someone who is as happy being with you as you are being with them. I used to have a sig, I got tired of it. |
| I'm not, and feel like replying today (Score:1) by DebtAngel (user@domain.com) on Sunday October 24, @06:58PM EST (#406) (User Info) |
| Between Rob's fingers and your fingers, something was taken out of context. In your defence, I think it *was* Rob's fault. 1. Yes, being able to tell my gf that I spent the day tweaking the Linux box at work is a good thing, especially if I get more than a smile and nod. 2. No, an in depth discussion about the port settings on my IP masquerading firewall is NOT good. You see, there is a huge difference between being about to talk about what you love to do, and arguing about what you love to do. And the easiest way to get rid of the argument is to simply have one person know less (but not nothing) about the subject matter. A relationship is also about balance; each person has strengths and weaknesses, and good relationships consist of partners with different strengths and weaknesses. If the strengths and weaknesses are the same, then the relationship will get nowhere beyond friendship, and we aren't talking about that :). Coding is best done alone. Breeding is best done in pairs. Never try to put the two together. The Lord DebtAngel Lord and Sacred Prince of all you owe --- A person is smart. People are dumb. --- |
| Re:I'm not, and feel like replying today (Score:1) by Rhys Dyfrgi on Sunday October 24, @09:48PM EST (#475) (User Info) |
| Coding is best done alone. Breeding is best done in pairs. Never try to put the two together. Except when you are working with genetic algorithms. --- END OF LINE |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @07:29PM EST (#420) |
| I, also, was extremely offended by this!! In my experience as a geek girl dating geek guys, the best relationships (the ones where people care about each other most, and trust each other most) come out of being best friends with someone -- and that usually only happens when you can understand each other and share common interests, such as programming, talking about networking, etc....trust and love come from understanding, not subserviance. |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by brianm9 (g a m e r s @ l i n u x s t a r t . c o m) on Sunday October 24, @07:51PM EST (#434) (User Info) |
| I honestly do not want to get done with writing a really groovy perl script, or finish a sweet game of quakeIII, and then go to my wife for loving, and she's in there playing starcraft. None of that. Conflict of interest. I like my gf as much as my computer(if not more.) Opposites attract :) |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by Wench (pnguu@netscape.net) on Sunday October 24, @10:08PM EST (#486) (User Info) |
| Let me just note: I honestly do not want to get done with writing a really groovy perl script, or finish a sweet game of Resident Evil (bored with Quake now), and then go to my bloke for loving, and he's in there playing starcraft. None of that. Think about it... if it's OK for you to get obsessed for hours with your interests, it has to be OK for your partner to get obsessed for hours with their interests. It doesn't matter whether its coding, writing poetry, practising music, doing mathematics, butterfly collecting or motorcycle mechanics. Fair is fair. love from the wench |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by Mock (kstenerud@hotmail.com) on Sunday October 24, @10:29PM EST (#498) (User Info) |
| I honestly do not want to get done with writing a really groovy perl script, or finish a sweet game of quakeIII, and then go to my wife for loving, and she's in there playing starcraft. Heck, I would! I'd join her. Then when we've whooped ass, we can fool around a bit. |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by adrn01 on Sunday October 24, @08:39PM EST (#450) (User Info) |
| I like your .sig: "To steal from one is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." -- wasn't this a line from "Lobachevsky" on an old Tom Lehrer album? |
| "Research v. plagiarism" (Score:1) by sumana (sumanah@uclink4.berkeley.edu) on Monday October 25, @12:05PM EST (#686) (User Info) |
| I got it off the amused.com coolsig site. But there IS reference to a similar sentiment in "Lobachevsky": "In one word he told me secret of success in mathematics: Plagiarize! Plagiarize, Let no one else's work evade your eyes, Remember why the good Lord made your eyes, So don't shade your eyes, But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize - Only be sure always to call it please 'research'." I'm sure it's a quite popular quote. Maybe Plato said it.
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| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @10:42PM EST (#505) |
| First off, I think the article was supposed to be funny, but it makes some good points anyway. I'm a she-geek myself (too old for the "girl" part) and I'm probably going to show this article to my geek guy next time I see him. For laughs if nothing else. In answer to some of the questions posed... When he says, no geek girls, and don't think too much about the really pretty ones either, isn't he going against the whole idea of considering people on their own merits, as opposed to group affiliation? Yeah, probably, but consider the audience. I suspect a lot of love-starved geekboys may have been narrowing their search too much. Looking only for geekgirls or beauty queens. There just aren't enough geekgirls (yet) or beauty queens to match each geekboy up with one. And I doubt they're willing to share. While it might not be a "waste of time" to seek a geekgirl or beauty queen, they'd be well advised to widen the search a little. But how is it that a geek girl "competes" in an unhealthful way? That would depend on the situation. How much overlap is there between what he geeks out over and what she geeks out over? If they both obsess over the same things all the time, they'll compete and there's gonna be friction. The relationship might survive it, but it's a risk. If their interests are a little divergent (he's a master of networks while she's a database genius f'rinstance) they can learn from each other, and each will get to be "the expert" some of the time. That's healthy. Don't you want someone who can UNDERSTAND when you're talking about a problem at the office/boxen/latest Linux convention? Two kinds of understanding. The "I know what you're talking about and I think I can help" kind, and the "I don't grok everything you just said, but I sympathize with your plight" kind. What kind do you want? I suspect most geeks like to solve their problems for themselves, but would like an "understanding" soul mate, even if s/he doesn't always "understand" every detail. If that makes any sense. It's even better if both kinds of understanding are part of the same delightful package, but that might be too much to hope for. If all they want from each other is sex, none of that will probably matter. Will there be a corresponding article for love-starved she-geeks appearing soon? |
| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by xdroop on Monday October 25, @08:42AM EST (#643) (User Info) |
| Speaking as a geek myself, I'd have to say that I didn't want a geek as a partner. When I've had a long day fighting with compilers and smitty and HP-UX and stupid users, the last thing I want is to have my partner at home griping about the same damn thing. I want her griping about something completely separate from what I do. It makes it easier for me to leave the office at the office. Vive la difference. -- xhost + |
| Dare I say it? "Me too!" (Score:2) by fable2112 (fable@servtech.spam-me-not.com) on Monday October 25, @10:43AM EST (#662) (User Info) http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/7723/ |
| I do understand that dating one's "clone" is a bad idea. However, the "traditional" marriage (what it sounds like this article is advocating) is something I've got BIG problems with. I mean, come on. Could the gender roles in this have been any more rigid? I do notice that this was posted under "It's funny. Laugh." which inclines me to give /. in general the benefit of the doubt as far as whether or not it's sexist goes ... but sheesh.
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| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:1) by redtoade on Monday October 25, @11:14AM EST (#677) (User Info) |
| hmmm...posted this twice, nothing happened. shucks: Not like anyone's going to read this, but.... You can tell that anyone who finds this well-spoken article to be offensive was never a 14-year-old boy. It's so easy to knee-jerk and say "HE'S SO SEXIST!" Of course that instantly reveals you as someone who is completely in the dark about being male. I have never found any tenet of feminism or political correctness that takes into consideration the turmoil your body goes through when you first become a teenager. If you weren't there, then you have no idea. Like a kick in the crotch, the pain can not be described to a woman... you either know or you don't. So a man's "journey" through mating begins with confusion and only gets worse with age. It's unfortunate that men need to see things in sexual context FIRST, but they do. Most likely because it began that way with puberty. But, not to come across too heavy, let me tell you what I know about women: 1. From the onset of puberty to about 13 - Women don't want you, they want some poster boy. Shaun Cassidy, Menudo, New Kids on the Block, Back Street Boys, etc.... 2. From 13 to 16 - they don't want you, they want older guys. Why would they date someone in their grade when there's tons of boys that can increase their popularity status? 3. From 16 to 18 - they don't want you, they want boys from other schools. How many times did I hear "I'm so sick of boys from our school... they're so immature!" 4. From 18 to 19 - they want you, but they want everybody... so what difference does it make? All college women go through that "How pretty am I" stage, where they get drunk and flop on their backs for just about anybody. (Well, maybe not ALL WOMEN... but enough that everyone reading this is laughing right now.) 5. From 19 to 21 - they don't want you, they don't want anybody. Now they often want time to themselves, and are very careful about whom they date. Which usually means joining an invisible convent. I think that this is where our hero (Uncle Robin) picks up. You've gone through your entire life watching women making the absolute biggest fools of themselves, but yet you still are stupid enough to want "in." What do you do? Kudos to you Uncle Robin. |
| Again, stereotyping the women! (Score:1) by sumana (sumanah@uclink4.berkeley.edu) on Monday October 25, @11:57AM EST (#684) (User Info) |
| Yes. This post was funny, as eer most lists/jokes about "how women/men are". And I DO appreciate that men have a tough time with women, all men, all women, especially geek men. But I wasn't like that. I can truthfully say that I've only drooled a bit over two "poster boys" in my life. I didn't really think any of the guys at my HS looked good at all. I DID drool a bit over men who were intelligent and treated me with respect, which means a few geekish-almost guys in HS -- and three of my teachers. Now, in college, yes, I did enjoy that I got more attention, but I did NOT get drunk, EVER, and I was NOT promiscuous. I've found a man who is smart and sweet, and I'm sticking with him. WE'RE NOT ALL LIKE THAT. I hate to bring up the "Jessica" from Roblimo's post, but we did exist, we girls who weren't like the girls in your list. And yet we fade into the background. My sister told me that college would be my reward for getting through high school. Maybe she was right. But whether you're in HS or college, I sure hope that there is at least one person of the opposite sex who is not as asinine as the people presented in your list.
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| Re:I'm a geek girl, and I have problems with this (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @01:01PM EST (#693) |
| > But I have problems when "Uncle Robin" excludes entire female populations from consideration. Yeah! What she said! I started laughing when I got to the implication that Geek Girls can't be supportive, nurturing, and willing to run you a bath at the end of a hard day. Really? That's certainly news to me. As for the cooking/cleaning/etc that you need someone to do at the end of your long, hard day -- Yes, Geek Girls aren't looking forward to such tasks any more than you are. That's what servants are for. Dual-Geek Incomes can afford at LEAST a cook, a maid, and a yard-boy -- I know, because I have these on just a Geek Girl income. (I can just imagine all the cool toys I'd have at home if someone was splitting the cost of the servants.) There are no hard and fast rules to "finding someone". If you start applying rules, and excluding large groups of people, you are only limiting your chances. If you are the type who would be happy with Mrs. Cleaver, who stays at home and starches your boxers for you, then look for that type. But if you're not, and you marry one anyway becuase you're afraid a Geek Girl might be too busy hacking her own code, don't expect any sympathy from us when wifey-poo starts whineing as soon as you work one second past 40 hours a week. (Seen it happen, laughed my ass off when he quit that job for her.) |
| Re:Also a geek girl, (Score:1) by CAIMLAS (caimlas@cats.wpe.com) on Monday October 25, @01:51AM EST (#572) (User Info) http://www.chienworks.com/~caimlas |
| I'm not sure what type of guys you're thinking of that can preform this type of feat. From what I gather, that would be quite painful, no matter what your interest, ability, race, gender, nationality, or species. Ewww, icky. ------- |
| Ah, one of the Greatest Mysteries.... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:51AM EST (#40) |
| I intend to print this article out, and bind it into a "Geek's Pocket Guide to Women", and keep it in my car. I just hope some of the things mentioned really work. Every woman I try to get to know seems to be totally uninterested. I'm posting anonymously, because I don't feel like being flamed to my identity. Being someone who has *never* had a girlfriend, I'm pretty much willing to take any good advice that trots my way. If it works, and I meet someone who I'd like to get to know, and wants to get to know me, hell, that would rock. I was smart back in school, but not exactly athletic, or popular. I never got the chance to date. Thanks for the advice, Roblimo. I'll try it out, and if it works (or if it doesn't), you'll hear about it. ;) |
| Re:Ah, one of the Greatest Mysteries.... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 26, @08:52AM EST (#731) |
| Seeing as I am never on here I didn't bother to create an account. My only advice would be, to be yourself. I am not a geek girl, never have nor will I ever be one. But, still manage to get along just fine with my significant other. Just look for someone who is good for you. And no matter what that guy says "all" women are beautiful. Pamela Anderson is artificial beauty along with the rest of those so called supermodels. You want a real person, not someone primarily made of silicone. =) Good Luck! PS. Patience is the key. It took me four years to find my true love. |
| Bottom Line: Money (Score:2) by heroine (broadcast@earthling.net) on Sunday October 24, @11:51AM EST (#42) (User Info) http://freeyellow.com/members4/heroine/ |
| All these points can be summarized as follows: you're the breadwinner. Women you fall in love with shouldn't be involved in the perils of the economy. They shouldn't be geeks. They shouldn't be interested in computers. Their jobs shouldn't be technically oriented. Every one of these points tell us something not to expect out of women that is pretty fundamental to the modern economy. The problem is that someone has to go out and battle the economy so if you want these humanity majors you'd better get used to being the provider. |
| Re:Bottom Line: Money (& Competition) (Score:1) by hypatia on Sunday October 24, @08:11PM EST (#438) (User Info) |
| Not to mention the relative rarity of women who want nothing more than to nurture a geek. Even humanities women might, you know, want to devote the tiniest bit of time to, you know, that violin concerto thing they're composing, or their thesis on Derrida (not me btw, I'm taking both a CS degree in CS/Maths and a humanities degree in philosophy, but I'm just too damn lazy to work at it...) Margaret Wertheim pointed out in Pythagoras's Trousers (dead trees :-) that male physicists tend to be married to a 'little woman' whose mission in life is assisting a great mind to know the universe without having to cook overly much. So if you do find Ms. Perfect Life Assistant, be prepared to fend off great scientists of all persuasions :) And it's worse for women. Women in technical fields (doctors are the stereotypical example) tend to marry men in similar fields. Where are the men who are prepared to devote themselves to letting us acheive our potential without interacting with, you know, life or anything? |
| Humanities majors--huh? (Score:1) by morrigan (feland@hotmail.com) on Monday October 25, @11:44AM EST (#683) (User Info) |
| I am a geek. I also have a degree in medieval history and literature, and have had absolutely no formal training whatsoever in computer science or any related field. That doesn't stop me from getting a high-paying geek job in today's economy, however. Technology is a great equalizer. In today's economy, it doesn't matter what your major was. It doesn't matter how many years of experience you have. All that matters is how well you code, how good a sysadmin you are, how fast you learn, and how much passion you have for the machines and the software that runs them. Another thing: these days, with the high cost of living in the technology centers of the world, having two breadwinners in the family is not a bad thing. In short, money shouldn't be a concern in choosing a mate, unless you are in need of a provider yourself. "Who is more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?" -- Obi-Wan Kenobi |
| Roblimo saves /. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:52AM EST (#44) |
| Most of Slashdot is crap these days. Full of over-moderation, repeat stories, and vague advertisements. This feature didn't suck. I have a new-found respect for Roblimo which wasn't previously there, and hope to see more of his writings. That's all... |
| Re:Roblimo saves /. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:32PM EST (#204) |
| I'll second that one. If Slashdot had more posts that were not quite as "geeky" I would imagine there would be a great deal more debate and conversation, such as this article has caused. |
| Disagree Completely (Score:5, Insightful) by Skyshadow on Sunday October 24, @11:52AM EST (#46) (User Info) |
| We need what are now called "old fashioned girls" who don't mind cooking our meals, rubbing our sore shoulders, and running our bath water for us. There are plenty of these women out there. They're as eager to find you as you are to find them. The trick is sorting through the 6 billion people on this planet to find the woman who is right for you instead of wasting your time on women with whom you cannot possibly build a long-term, mutually beneficial relationship. Got to disagree with you there, Roblimo. I'll disclaim by stating that everybody has different tastes in what they're looking for in a SO, but here's my take on this one: Find someone who can and will drag your ass out of your chair every so often. Find someone who you feel is on par with you - they don't have to know computers, but they'd better be able to hold the line in a decent discussion without all of this "well, I'm sure you know best" crap that some people seem to be stuck with (my experience is with women, but I know guys who are like this). IMHO, the best lover and companion isn't someone who caters after you 24/7. It should be a tit-for-tat type deal; I wash, you dry. Hell, some of the best relationship moments I've had have even revolved around disagreements -- remember, competition is a Good Thing(tm). If she just lets you win all the time, you'll get soft. Of course, the caveat to this is that you both always have to know that, in the final analysis, you're always on the other person's side before anyone elses. It's sappy, but the best example I can think of for this sort of relationship is from "Mad About You", that series with Helen Hunt and Paul Riser. Love each other, support each other, but most important: be one another's best friend. ---- |
| Re:Disagree Completely (Score:1) by CryptdotX on Sunday October 24, @12:38PM EST (#123) (User Info) http://home1.gte.net/crypt |
| It's sappy, but the best example I can think of for this sort of relationship is from "Mad About You", that series with Helen Hunt and Paul Riser. Love each other, support each other, but most important: be one another's best friend. Yeah, the best example you can come up with is a set of fictional characters. That should tell you something about the validity of what you're saying. In theory, theory and practice are the same thing. In practice, they're not. |
| Don't be a dick. (Score:2) by Skyshadow on Sunday October 24, @01:07PM EST (#161) (User Info) |
| No, the best example I can come up with that will be easily understood by as many people as possible is a set of fictional characters. It's got something to do with the amount of exposure TV characters get as opposed to actual people. I *could* have said, "The best example I can think of for this sort of relationship is my friend Mike and his girlfriend Sarah", but that would only be effective to the people who know them (a relatively small sample). Trollboy. ---- |
| Re:Don't be a dick. (Score:1) by CryptdotX on Sunday October 24, @01:36PM EST (#210) (User Info) http://home1.gte.net/crypt |
| Hmm... Mike and Sarah... Yeah, maybe they have a good relationship. However, I still think that people who model their relationship on that of a couple of TV characters aren't living entirely in the real world. |
| Re:Disagree Completely (Score:1) by G27 Radio on Sunday October 24, @12:39PM EST (#124) (User Info) http://g27.org/numb/pics |
| I'm with ya on that point Skyshadow. Especially "Find someone who can and will drag your ass out of your chair every so often." One of best things about my last relationship was the fact that she got me to do stuff I wouldn't usually go out of my way to do. I actually learned something from her. Sure it would have been nice if she cooked, cleaned, and ran my bathwater for me, but that's not enough to keep me interested any more than good looks. Roblimo, I think your article is pretty cool overall. You're going to get flamed to a crisp for some of it ...and I think you deserve a little flamage for this one along with the kudos. numb ?syntax error ] |
| Re:Disagree Completely (Score:1) by Forward The Light Br (rsinha@glue.umd.edu) on Sunday October 24, @01:27PM EST (#197) (User Info) |
| yes but you and he are not really contradicting; you can find intelligent gutsy women who nonetheless are not career oriented; my post to the main article notwithstanding, I dont think I want a woman who is that yielding, but then, I have not gone out with any yielding women yet. We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars --Oscar Wilde My nick is Forward the Light Brigade, damnit!!! |
| Right on the mark. (Score:1) by zak on Sunday October 24, @02:42PM EST (#268) (User Info) |
| Absolutely correct my friend. You have to look for a partner for life - a worthy mate, not a nanny. |
| Re:Disagree Completely (Score:1) by GnrcMan (casey@sarahandcasey.com) on Sunday October 24, @03:32PM EST (#300) (User Info) http://www.sarahandcasey.com |
| I second that! My long time girlfriend, while she has very little interest in computers, is very intelligent. A classics major, in fact. She speaks Latin, I speak C++, and somewhere in the confusion, we get along. She's greatly balanced my life, but if she ever caught me writing anything close to Roblimo's piece...well...I suppose the couch isn't that uncomfortable. :) |
| Re:Disagree Completely (Score:1) by tzanger (tzanger@spam.blows.mixdown.org) on Sunday October 24, @04:30PM EST (#332) (User Info) http://www.mixdown.org |
| Like others on this forum... I have to second that... or third... sixteenth? :-) My wife is not one to "cater" to me... In fact, one of her favourite slogans is, "What, do I have maid written across my forehead?!" What she does do is take care of me, and that sometimes makes me feel like she's catering to me when all she is really doing is what she considers her part in the "family thing." We have great arguements, which is one of the best things in any relationship I think... Neither of us are weak-minded but we're learning the art of the compromise where appropriate. And as far as pulling me away from the chair... Um... well.. she kinda climbs on top of me ON the chair. I'm glad I didn't get one of those cheap chairs! :-) It makes me feel a little weird sometimes, to be taken care of, but I wouldn't want anyone else... |
| Re:Disagree Completely (Score:1) by Snarl on Sunday October 24, @06:05PM EST (#379) (User Info) |
| Talking about "relationship" movies, "When Harry met Sally" and "Frankie and Johnny" are also good movies of that sort. The relationship has to have a certain snap to it, I find intelligence to be an important factor. I'm not talking about the genious type-150-IQ, but that she understand what you mean without you having to explain. (And such...) To quote Sean in "Good Will Hunting": onMushy(){ "She is not perfect. You are not perfect. The question is whether or not you are perfect for each other." } - Jesus saves - Gretzky gets the rebound and scores! |
| Re:Disagree Completely (Score:1) by dud023 (dud#dstc.edu.au) on Monday October 25, @12:42AM EST (#556) (User Info) http://www.dstc.edu.au/AU/staff/dud/ |
It's sappy, but the best example I can think of for this sort of relationship is from "Mad About You", that series with Helen Hunt and Paul Riser. Love each other, support each other, but most important: be one another's best friend.But most important: worry about how your assigned gender role makes your relationship inherently unsatisfactory - remember that girls are into shopping and guys are into baseball. Fuck I hate that show! Keith Duddy : dud at dstc.edu.au : http://www.dstc.edu.au/AU/staff/dud |
| Interesting article! (Score:1) by browser_war_pow on Sunday October 24, @11:54AM EST (#49) (User Info) http://digitalheresy.tripod.com |
| Very enlightening. My problem is that most people think there is something psychologically wrong with me because I am a geek stuck in the body of a jock. Many people who don't know me think that I play on my school's football team or something like that, but they act like I am the antichrist when they find out I don't really like sports. Another funny thing is that I haven't had a girlfriend since the summer before 10th grade, and I am a junior now. Oh well. Good article. I might mirror it on my site just to make sure that this gem doesn't get lost in /.'s archives. Linux the GNU world order |
| Re:Interesting article! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 27, @12:21AM EST (#761) |
| >>Many people who don't know me think that I play on my school's football team or something like that, but they act like I am the antichrist when they find out I don't really like sports. It's jealousy. I say this cause I have the opposite problem. I love sports and being competitive, but I don't have the coordination or the physique for it. It always pissed me off when I met people who were born with abilities I struggle after, and they don't even have the drive to use it. (Wasted material sucks...) The Asshole |
| Re:Interesting article! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 27, @12:26AM EST (#762) |
| You said: "Many people who don't know me think that I play on my school's football team or something like that, but they act like I am the antichrist when they find out I don't really like sports." It's jealousy. I say this cause I have the opposite problem. I love sports and being competitive, but I don't have the coordination or the physique for it. It always pissed me off when I met people who were born with abilities I struggle after, and they don't even have the drive to use it. (Wasted material sucks...) The Asshole |
| Book Deal (Score:1) by InsomniacsDream on Sunday October 24, @11:55AM EST (#50) (User Info) http://cml.grc.nasa.gov/~chuck |
| This was a great post. It's nice to have a little personal stuff mixed in with all the tech stuff. A good balance. I think Rob should consider a BOOK DEAL. I know a lot of geeks who would appreciate it. I loved the computer analogies (HOWTO, Open Source, etc.) I think some people missed the point though. This was not a "how to get laid" tutorial, but rather "how to have a MEANINGFUL long-lasting relationship". It's much more difficult to do the latter. From my own experience I can attest that much of this advice is true. I have been happily-married for six years now, and I've been a geek the whole time, although not necessarily just with computers. I just recently graduated with my PhD in Applied Math from Northwestern, and it was no picnic. Sometimes I think the only thing that kept me sane was my "non-geek" wife. It's eerie how much my own relationship mirrors what Rob described as a good match. The last thing in the world my wife cares to talk about is computers, but she respects my own passion for them. Also, she knows better than to disturb me when I'm in MY room, but when I come out, she's there waiting for me just the same (unless it's that time of the month. look out!). An old-fashioned girl is definitely the way to go. If she were any more liberated, we wouldn't have made it this far. ----------------------------------------- You're getting sleepy ... very sleepy ... |
| Coming Soon from O'Reilly: _Women in a Nutshell_ (Score:1) by acb on Monday October 25, @11:28AM EST (#679) (User Info) |
| Though they'd have to be careful about choosing an animal for the cover... |
| Girls in Playboy (Score:1) by Processor AL on Sunday October 24, @11:55AM EST (#51) (User Info) |
| those who have learned how to use their looks as a tool to manipulate men will almost always make your life miserable in the long run - Whew! I can attest to that through several painful experiences. Some of the manipulating hotties have looked great without makeup, etc. too. One of the warning signs: you spend more time with x than me Thanks for sharing your experiences. I learned a couple of things from your article. For instance, typically my first attempts to touch a woman usually involve some exchange of saliva (either uni- or bi-directional). While it can do the trick to get some nookie, I'm sitting here alone in this big house right now. (laughs) A touch on the arm seems a slightly less accelerated and wiser approach. |
| Don't think so... (Score:2, Insightful) by Mendax Veritas (mendaxveritas@yahoo.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:56AM EST (#52) (User Info) |
They also like honest compliments, so if you touch the back of her hand and it makes you feel all warm inside, go ahead and say, "Touching the back of your hand makes me feel all warm inside." I'm having difficulty imagining a woman who would feel comfortable hearing something like that from a man she wasn't already seriously involved with. If you say something like this to a woman you've just met, she'll probably either be seriously creeped out or she'll assume it's a lame pick-up line. I doubt Roblimo's article is really going to help anyone do better with women. You don't improve your social skills by reading about them. You just have to get out there and relate to real people and learn from your experiences. |
| what a useless waste of a post. (Score:1) by adrn (uljharquamlas@marijuana.com) on Sunday October 24, @11:57AM EST (#54) (User Info) |
| what the hell is this doing here? if i need some kind of help like this, i certainly will not come to slashdot! this is not what i come here for, besides the fact that it is poorly written and informs us of nothing insightful, not to mention how chauvinistic it is. please curb your useless "news" posts. if you really need to post some utter crap like this again, feel free to post it somewhere that is interested in crap like mTV or seventeen.com . do not insult us again with this offensive tripe. |
| Re:what a useless waste of a post. (Score:1) by Anarkhia (graeme@s_p-a_m.anarkhia.dhs.org) on Sunday October 24, @12:28PM EST (#101) (User Info) http://anarkhia.dhs.org |
| Yes, we wouldn't want to put anything "real world" in YOUR precious Slashdot. News Flash: Roblimo can post to /. and you can't. He's more a part of it than you, so put up or shut up. It's refreshing to see something on here other than Lego and Perl (not that those aren't good too). -G |
| what a useless waste of a post. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @11:06AM EST (#671) |
| what a useless waste of a post. |
| Re:what a useless waste of a post. (Score:2) by m3000 (m3000@nospam.tampabay.rr.com) on Sunday October 24, @05:54PM EST (#373) (User Info) http://m3000.1wh.com/linux |
| Considering this thing will get over 400 replies, I don't think it was a wasted post. |
| Re:what a useless waste of a post. (Score:1) by Emperor Cezar on Sunday October 24, @10:21PM EST (#491) (User Info) |
| This article is for NERDS. The easiest and best way to reach nerds is through Slashdot "Oh, praise thou holly name!" If you do not have the IQ to realize the logic behind the posting of this article than I suggest that you quit reading Slashdot and begin to read Seventeen and other such magazines. Short but sweet The comments of me are not necessarily those of me. I cannot be held responsible for comments made by me, myself, and I. Also neither can Slashdot, The US Government, the citizens of Earth, God, and or any other deity in which you might worship. |
| short but lame (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @11:05AM EST (#670) |
| this article is a bunch of sexist crap - and your post is fucking stupid. |
| HOWTO pick-up women, important links: (Score:2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:57AM EST (#55) |
(From a former lonely geek now banging chicks left and right): Useful resources:
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| Re:HOWTO pick-up women, important links: (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @03:18PM EST (#293) |
Hmm... a "Score:1, Informative" post from an AC who claims to be "banging chicks left and right". Am I missing something? |
| Re:HOWTO pick-up women, important links: (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @06:05AM EST (#615) |
| Yeah I'm banging chicks left and right, and that's not the issue. It's the links BELOW which are informative. Haven't you ever wondered why there would'nt be practical, unbiased, open-source, not politically correct information on how to pick up women on the 'net? Well there is! Nathan SZILARD |
| this is sickening (Score:2, Insightful) by cd_smith (cd_smith@ou.edu) on Sunday October 24, @11:57AM EST (#57) (User Info) http://cdsmith.twu.net/ |
| Hey, I have nothing but respect for everyone that writes for /. but this article is just sick and wrong. I suppose it's good advice if your goal in life is to get laid on a regular basis. I thought most /. readers were above that. My advice to /. readers: rewarding, fulfilling relationships are much easier if you: * Don't make sex your goal * Don't objectify the people you have relationships with * Don't think of it as "dating" |
| B*S (Score:1) by Nicolas MONNET (nico@nospam.monnet.to) on Sunday October 24, @12:05PM EST (#71) (User Info) http://nicolas.monnet.to |
| Bullshit. Since I've made sex (one of my) goal(s) I feel much better. If you don't, you always fall in LJBFland -- where LJBF = Let's Just Be Friends. That sucks, you feel bad, and repeat after me: WOMEN WANT SEX JUST AS MUCH AS MEN DO, just not with anybody (unlike men). |
| Re:B*S (Score:2) by scrytch on Sunday October 24, @02:03PM EST (#235) (User Info) |
| > WOMEN WANT SEX JUST AS MUCH AS MEN DO, just not with anybody (unlike men). Best as I can summarize, from my very much outside perspective, this is quite true; However, after going through a lifetime of being patronized and objectified, most women tend to want meaningful sexual relations. After having shallow and crude sexual innuendo and gestures -- and often intercourse itself -- pushed on you for years and years, you'd grow pretty weary of sex for its own sake too. It becomes like the trendy song on the radio they just won't stop playing: After a while you get to hate the whole genre. This is a portrait of an extreme, but just ask any woman friend where inbetween she falls. |
| Re:B*S (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @07:34PM EST (#421) |
| Meaningful relationship? Hell, what I can say is that the women that have made you wait for 1 month or several to get you to bed, I (or others) might ve bagged them in a few hours or days. Women want casual sex too! And more than you'd think. The interesting part of is thusly: IT ALL DEPENDS HOW YOU POSITION YOURSELF. If you're being nice and caring, then they will position themselves as a potential long term relationshop partner -- hence, they won't show you the slutty side EVERY WOMAN HAS. Now, if you position yourself as SEXUAL and DESIRABLE, they will show you their short term side. You probably have no idea what I'm talking about. Hell, a year ago *I* did'nt know this!!! Woman don't want to show to LTR partner that they are SLUTS too (no pejorative connotation here) because they want to KEEP their LTR partners and get them to believe they're exclusive. I won't go in greater details here, go read 'The Evolution of Desires', can be found on Amazon.com, or go read alt.seduction.fast if you have questions. Nathan SZILARD |
| Re:B*S (Score:1) by cd_smith (cd_smith@ou.edu) on Sunday October 24, @03:38PM EST (#302) (User Info) http://cdsmith.twu.net/ |
| I'm not saying sex is a bad thing. I'm saying that, given a choice between having sex with someone I don't know or spending an evening talking with someone I can never have sex with, I would choose the latter. I figured most slashdot readers would be of a similar opinion. So was I wrong? How would you people choose in the above circumstance. |
| This is great (Score:1) by DrZaius (gary@atdot.org) on Sunday October 24, @11:58AM EST (#58) (User Info) http://www.fvlu.dhs.org |
| I really enjoyed reading this. It was very amusing. Normally, statements suggesting 'geeks spend too much time on computers' are offensive, but here it wasn't. And I would have to say that most of it is correct. My current girlfriend is a geek -- straight A's in the advanced courses, really 'straight edge', yadda yadda yadda. Although, she isn't very good with computers, which is a good thing as it gives us breathing space (but I still try and teach her OO programming techniques every now and then). One piece of advice I would like to add: Find a lady that looks good without makeup on and you will never be dissapointed. Where can you meet girls without makeup on? Go and do althletic stuff. Not that athletic? Go play ultimate (frisbee, for those who don't know) as there are more forgiving people willing to teach and wait for your growing pains than any other sport. Not to mention 'naked points' -- the number one "try before you buy". :) -- DrZaius - Minister of Sciences and Protector of the Faith |
| be yourself, dammit (Score:2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @11:58AM EST (#59) |
| This article sucks. It reminds me of my sex obsessed middle aged uncle who was always trying to give me advice about women when I was growing up. The sad thing is, I could see right through his one dimentional attitude towards women, and even at age 15 could understand why he was always searching, searching, searching and was never really happy (even though he was rich and got laid alot). In the end, if you just be yourself and are respectful and kind to people you interact with you will eventually attract a person who matches your personality best. If you are a totally dorky nerd with no interpersonal skills, it will probably take a while, but it will happen. As usual, being true to yourself can be a lonely task if you are a "unique" person. But if you are patient, the payout is enormous. So don't be manipulative or work too hard at "catching" a woman or try to change yourself, but on the other hand don't let your high IQ seduce you into becoming closeminded (know-it-all) or snide or dysfunctionally withdrawn from the world. Make an effort, but be true to yourself. Cherish your visions; cherish your ideals; cherish the music that stirs in your heart, the beauty that forms in your mind, the loveliness that drapes your purest thoughts, for ... if you remain true to them, your world will at last be built." --- James Allen |
| Re:be yourself, dammit (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:27PM EST (#99) |
| Right on target! And no lies! Talk to each other. |
| Re:be yourself, dammit (Score:1) by SPiKe on Sunday October 24, @12:59PM EST (#149) (User Info) |
| You hit the nail right on the head, sir. Always be true to one's self. Don't regret or be ashamed of who you are. |
| a little off target (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 28, @10:14PM EST (#771) |
| I agree w/ the whole "be yourself" thing, but I didn't see the article as a HOWTO for who you should be, but some help in getting your interpersonal skills early. I damned sure need that type of help. Oh yeah, and it was a humor article, under the name of "Uncle Robin." Don't take everything you read for fact. -devin mullins twifkak@hotmail.com |
| What Geeks Need. (Score:1) by the_tsi (wNiOlSlPiAeM@perigee.net) on Sunday October 24, @11:59AM EST (#60) (User Info) |
| Step one, find someone of similar social status (and would make an appropriate partner based upon both participants sexual orientation) who is not interested in a relationship, but still interested in Mutually Beneficial Activities(tm). Participate in said Activities frequently (and safely, for the record) in the name of Learning (and Enjoyment). This will help two things: 1. it lessens the level of frustration, and 2. it will break down your inhibitions about contact (emotional AND phsyical) with other people Then you can move on to true (and much more socially acceptable) romantic relationships. -Chris |
| Re:What Geeks Need. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:52PM EST (#227) |
| That small blurb was better than that article. It's really true. |
| Re:What Geeks Need. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @12:18AM EST (#547) |
| This formula is the best. Absolutely. Sex is only natural, and it will improove your communication skills. As always, experience is the key. I take it as a responsibility to my posible soulmate to know as much about sex as I can so I can please her in any way possible, and I expect the same from her. Learn Learn Learn! BTW: Mutually Beneficial Activities (tm)? Cool... sebastian@yifan.net |
| You have to listen too (Score:1) by Nagash (gzw@home.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:00PM EST (#64) (User Info) http://woz.yi.org |
| I was a loner and bitter toward most everyone all of the time. I did go out every now and then, but it was just to get my kicks from people I thought were idiots and get out aggressions at the same time. I was also gutless when it came to talking to anyone I found interesting (this was the same throughout all of high school). When I met Beata (whom I now live with and love very much), I did something I hadn't done before: I looked into her eyes and just talked with her. And I listened. Long story made short, we fell in love and have been together for a little over 2 years. Needless to say, I am very happy with life, even being only 25. All of what was said in the above article is true. You have to talk and listen. These are by far the most important. You also have to call her/him back when you are interested. They won't know if you don't. And for crying out loud, look into their eyes. They really are the window to the soul. (Don't forget to mention that their eyes look good, if you find them attractive =) Oh yes, and don't follow the above as a formula. People are not formulaic, so why take that approach? Geoff Wozniak gzw@home.com |
| Feminist (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:02PM EST (#66) |
| "We need what are now called "old fashioned girls" who don't mind cooking our meals, rubbing our sore shoulders, and running our bath water for us" I predict that you'll get lots of mail because of the above sentence. But seriously most people are 'inexperienced' at getting the opposite sex and it shows. They (women) are likewise the same. Practice, practice, practice. One must fall down a lot before one can appreciate being upright. |
| Don't listen to him! (Score:2) by pb (pdbaylie@eos.ncsu.edu) on Sunday October 24, @12:03PM EST (#70) (User Info) http://www4.ncsu.edu/~pdbaylie |
| Waste time on geek girls and porn stars! Find yourself a geek girl pornstar! Asia Carrera, are you listening? :) But seriously, my girlfriend is somewhat geeky, maybe not as bad as I am, but I like it when she knows what I'm talking about. Being geeky doesn't mean being competitive (I'm not), it doesn't mean being obsessed with computers (she's isn't really, unless you count computer games, but many non-geeky people share that flaw), and it doesn't mean being unable to communicate with people or being unable to express yourself. Some of your advice is good, but I don't need a woman who will simply accept that I'm different, get in the kitchen, and make me some pie. I think that relationship would be missing something. --- pb Reply rather than vaguely moderate me. #1020 Or send e-mail. Signal is better than noise. |
| You are truly old school (Score:2, Interesting) by Scott (pope@SpamMeAndDie.ossuary.net) on Sunday October 24, @12:07PM EST (#76) (User Info) |
| As in from the time long ago when men were manly and women were June Cleaver. That's just not going to work for me. I agree that you need to talk to them & ask questions just like they're one of your best friends, but your motives for doing so are quite gross. From what you've said, it seems the only reason to be nice to a woman is on the outside chance she'll make your bed in the morning and let you see her bits once in awhile. That's a pretty messed up way of thinking. If I want a slave, I'll go hang out at the local S&M places. As for your idea that she shouldn't be a geek, and probably shouldn't be involved in computers, that would present problems for me. Sure I don't live & breathe the things, but it sure would be nice to be able to sit around somewhere and be able to talk like a total nerdy luser and not have to explain everything. Your theory might work in 1960, but it's not going to work most of the time these days, thank Bob. |
| What's the purpose of competition? (Score:1) by jpritikin on Sunday October 24, @12:08PM EST (#77) (User Info) http://why-compete.org |
| You want to feel good, all the time or at least whenever you want. Let me tell you a secret. This wont come as a surprise to many of you: How you feel is not random. You are programmed to feel good in specific situations and you are programmed to feel like shit in other situations. This is where being a programmer comes in handy. You already know how to program computers so why not re-program yourself? This is a *major* advantage when it comes to girls (or guys). In relationships, people always complain that the other person wont change. But what if you are willing to change? You're going to be in *high* demand. Let me tell you, this is what is most attractive: the ability to change yourself dynamically, on the fly. That's where it's at big time! And as a programmer, you have a huge head start because you already know programming. |
| hmm... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:09PM EST (#78) |
| Doesn't any one else find this article a little (or maybe extreemly) sexist, I mean a girl who will cook your meals and rub your shoulders when you are sore? And you talk mostly about her looks, is what she has to say at all important? Maybe you should just get a maid and a poster to wack off to if thats all you want. Your wife should be someone to discuss things with, and if she can't understand anything you do, or anything thats important to you, then she might as well be your regular girl down at the local brothel... |
| Re:hmm... (Score:1) by astock on Sunday October 24, @02:42PM EST (#266) (User Info) |
| I agree. If it was meant to be funny, it's a lame effort. Obviously time I start filtering out the "humour" efforts. |
| Women? Bah. Computers are FAR easier. (Score:1) by Accipiter (shadSowfireP@hotAmail.cMom) on Sunday October 24, @12:09PM EST (#80) (User Info) http://www.hackphreak.org |
| Well put, Robin. We'd all like to be able to fantasize about having a supermodel for a girlfriend, but let's be realistic. The "Pretty 'n Popular" crowd is usually a very shallow and uncommiting group. Personally, I'm into someone who, while not obnoxious, is individual and is not afraid to voice her own opinion. I don't want somenoe who: A) Agrees with everything I say. or B) Disputes everything I say. Neither of those types of people will work out. Each situation will end up driving you both crazy. Sure, you'll disagree on some things, but the reason you're going out in the first place is probably because you found you each have something in common. For that to happen, there has to be an amount of agreement. Disagreement is essential as well. (Do you REALLY want someone who just says yes to everything you say?) Intelligent debate goes right down the drain. Constant agreement would drive me insane. I have to disagree on the Computer part though. She doesn't have to be a guru, but SOME knowledge would definitely be a plus. (Although my fantasy is to have a woman who would come up behind me while I'm programming and give me a shoulder massage, while at the same time, offering suggestions or corrections in my code.) -- Give him Head? Be a Beacon? |
| Clueless high-school guys, listen! (Score:5, Insightful) by HoserHead (hoserhead@bigfoot.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:12PM EST (#83) (User Info) http://www.woot.net |
| I'm still in highschool, though in my last year, and in the past two months I've met a girl that makes me happier than I've ever been - she's understanding, she's caring, and moreover, she likes me! But there's a trick to "getting girls to like you." It's not a magic potion or a pick-up line - nothing will make a girl like you. (It has to come from the heart.) But a girl can discover that they like you by getting to know you - and here's the tricky part. Be friends with girls first! It's hard for a lot of guys, particularly guys (like me) who've, in the past, only ever struck out. But if you see a girl you like, and you want to give a relationship a chance at being real, you can't rush it. Strike up a conversation, spend time with her - and don't rush anything! Believe me, you can wait. You've done it in the past, haven't you? The simple fact is, you wouldn't want to be intimately involved (and no, I'm not just referring to sex) with someone who you wouldn't want to be at least friends with. A relationship is about communication and openness, and those require trust - and you have to develop trust over time. Be friends with girls; not only will you gain knowledge about the way an extra X chromosome makes a human's mind work, but you might just find that people do, in fact, like you for who you are. It's not so big a jump from "She's my friend" to "She's my girlfriend," after all. |
| Re:Clueless high-school guys, listen! (Score:1) by haroldK on Sunday October 24, @12:37PM EST (#120) (User Info) |
| Right on. I've known my now-girlfreind for about 4 years. We've only been an official couple for about 2 1/2 weeks. She isn't a computer geek (you better believe I am), but she respects my interest in it. We have always had a good time together as freinds and when a mutual freind kept trying to get us to "go out" (kind of a bad term, but it's widely used, so...) we got to talking about it. It turns out we're both exactly what the other wanted. It was worth having her for a freind for 4 years to be able to share what we do now. My point is, if you can't be happy with her as a freind, you probably can't be happy with her as more. |
| People getting it right. (Score:1) by Trebonius on Sunday October 24, @01:41PM EST (#218) (User Info) http://marvin.smoothness.org |
| It's good to see people finally getting this sort of thing right. I didn't for most of high school, but now that I'm in college, I've got the best girlfriend I could concievably have. For the first time in my life it wasn't another case of me pestering a girl until she dated me, but instead... This girl, this woman was attracted to me from the very start. I must admit that I little noticed her in the beginning, but eventually, I began realising what a wonderful person this shy little girl was. Even then, I could never have guessed how passionate this shy girl can be. What can I say? I'm in love. |
| Re:Clueless high-school guys, listen! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:11PM EST (#169) |
| I think this is better written and better advice than the "feature" article! |
| Re:Clueless high-school guys, listen! (Score:1) by Eraser_ (hawk@lomag.net) on Sunday October 24, @01:41PM EST (#217) (User Info) |
| I'm still in high school too, and have had the exact same experience with girls as you have. I've always had a lot of friends who happen to be girls (wording girl-friend w/o implying dateing has got to be the hardest thing to do). My current girlfriend is one of my best friends, as well as someone i am in love with (please no crtisism on that). We were friends for about 6 or 7 months before we became *close* friends, and we started dateing. she has almost no interest in computers, but i do. Its not something that either of us really notice, we just focus on other things that we like mutually. dont rush it are words to live by. Eraser_ |
| Don't rush it!!!! Ahh!!! That's a good one! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @08:26AM EST (#634) |
| *DO* RUSH IT! In the past 3 months I've had sex with 5 women who I had just met at most 3 hours before! (Nah I did'nt pay anything -- actually I don't even buy women drinks! It's for frsutrated losers who think love can be bought!) Whereas when I was in highschool ... duh. I'm now 25 BTW. I have the same approach with women as I have with programming: learn, experience, fail, debug, retry, score! Women want *sex*. See http://www.pickupguide.com/ -- Nathan SZILARD |
| Re:Clueless high-school guys, listen! (Score:1) by sith (mcfadden@no_junk.athenet.net) on Sunday October 24, @01:44PM EST (#221) (User Info) |
| I've gotta agree. I got through 3 years of high school with no real desire to have a girlfriend, until this summer. I started hanging out with a girl who I'd always considered a friend, but we had never been real close. After we started hanging out, I fell deeply in love with her, and its been so great for the last 3 months, I can' imagine being apart from her. I do agree with Roblimos points about not trying to find a geek girl. It doesn't work. I used to think how cool it would be to have a girlfriend who knew linux and perl and all that cool stuff, but I realized that the point of a relationship is not to find somebody just like you, but to instead find someone who can open up your mind to new things. |
| Making Girls Like You (Score:1) by morbid (morbid@delphinus.demon.co.uk) on Sunday October 24, @05:11PM EST (#358) (User Info) http://www.delphinus.demon.co.uk |
| Indeed, you cannot "make" anyone like you and I agree completely that it is all about getting to know people. However, if you are a miserable, ugly, cantankerous old git like me, you just have to accept that your chances of meeting a woman who'll be more than "just friends" (as if that should be belittled) are pretty negligable. However, when you're feeling lonely, at least you will know that you have lots of dependable friends there for you, who's judgement is not tainted by physical attraction. It's wonderful to have these friends! They are truly what make life worth living! ;-> |
| Re:Clueless high-school guys, listen! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @07:03PM EST (#409) |
| or you could just take a whole lot of drugs... it's the same thing. love is a chemical imbalance, drugs create the same sort of imbalance. relationships fuck you over in the end, and drugs will also probably fuck you over. i'm in high school. i have what could be considered a relationship. yet i've gotten absolutely nothing out of it. a relationship is not what most autistic geeks are really looking for. what is good for all those dumbfucks out there is not nessicarily good for you.. what i'm trying to say is that girls aren't everything. even though your hormones are in overdrive, it doesn't mean that you NEED a girlfriend. it's not the most important thing in the world, nor is it the best. treat yourself to a jerk and a joint, and then decide for yourself. (please excuse the vulgarity and the incoherence, I am just a autistic high school geek) |
| Re:Clueless high-school guys, listen! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @08:23AM EST (#632) |
| Yeah; be friends first, and then they tell you "LET'S JUST BE FRIENDS!" and you feel bad and you've got nothing and you realize that you've wasted all that time for a person that is NOT attracted to you. Mind you, a much better strategy is to ask 100 women "wanna fuck" -- much better sucksex, and quicker! Go read alt.seduction.fast -- Nathan SZILARD |
| this guy has a way with words (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:17PM EST (#89) |
| I was lucky enough to meet my fiance before i became a computer geek. I guess most people learn this stuff early on whereas computer geeks take a little longer to get it right. But the things stated in this post are indeed right on the money. |
| Glad it had the "foot" icon anyway (Score:2, Flamebait) by scrytch on Sunday October 24, @12:17PM EST (#90) (User Info) |
| One part dry humor, ten parts asinine, a hundred parts yawn. I'll probably be single for the rest of my life because I don't relate to people, but I'd rather be that than ... I don't have the words. The author ever thought of women as people? Oh wait, I guess he doesn't have to, because he's married now, and is guaranteed to have her for life. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAaaaaa You're in for some bitter resentment down the line, boy. |
| Time for a "Women" topic.... (nt) (Score:1) by MatriXOracle on Sunday October 24, @01:09PM EST (#168) (User Info) http://www.globalserve.net/~fornixon |
| ... |
| Re:Glad it had the "foot" icon anyway (Score:1) by tomita (pgodman_but_no_spam@halcyon.com) on Sunday October 24, @06:04PM EST (#378) (User Info) |
| Well said. I would rather live a hundred celibate lives than reach the depths of self- and external degradation to which the original author has sunk. I hope his wife is at peace with being handmaid, sperm repository, and baby factory. I am so revolted by the number of assenting responses to this essay, (to paraphrase woody allen "and I'm complimenting you by considering it an essay") that I once again resolve to never read Slashdot again. |
| Re:Glad it had the "foot" icon anyway (Score:1) by Captain Lloyd on Sunday October 24, @09:34PM EST (#466) (User Info) |
| I gave my girl a link to this article, it made her feel special, my 2 cents |
| Geek girls rock (Score:1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:20PM EST (#93) |
| I'm in love with, and live with a geek girl. It's great. We take care of each other. We can talk about our work with each other. I don't want someone who is looking after me like I was a helpless loser and she was a brainless servant. |
| Re:Geek girls rock (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 25, @06:03AM EST (#614) |
| I totally agree. Geek girls are a natural fit for geek boys, and don't let anyone tell you different. Being able to talk to someone who _really_ understands your work problems (and can often help) can't be beat. We've been two happy geeks together now for 7 years. Our home network is used for emails that supper's ready and for those late night deathmatches :) Togetherness is being able to share the excitement of a new kernel release or new game or the frustration of a new bug. Geek girls may be rare, but believe me, they're worth looking for. "Couples who debug core together, stay together":) |
| Debbie's advise for lonely Geeks! (Score:3, Funny) by Nitrozac (nitrozac@geekculture.com) on Sunday October 24, @12:21PM EST (#95) (User Info) http://www.geekculture.com/geekycomics/Aftery2k/aftery2kmain.html |
| I think it would be great to hear Debbie's story about why she picked you, and why geeks are great partners. Perhaps she could write an addition to this story giving geek guys and girls some insight? btw, Debbie is always welcome in #aftery2k :) |
| The balls in your court. (Score:1) by MartyJG on Monday October 25, @08:04AM EST (#629) (User Info) http://screem.org |
| Come on then Nitrozac. You've got the geek-cred it takes to write the other side of this. How about an article for the 'geek girls' to get decent blokes? Roblimo's article said they weren't the best thing for geeks, what should they be looking for then? Either way, Debbie can appear in your strip anytime - you have the POWER! \\//MJG. |
| Enough the propaganda already! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @12:23PM EST (#96) |
| Why must we be subjected to an endless on-slaught of articles about disaffected het white male hackers looking for booty? Why don't you get someone on your editorial board who is anything different than you? Got any women? How about married men? Any gay people? Heck, how about any colored people? I don't happen to believe that "geeks" must be het white male single hacker types. These articles lately have been painfully adolescent and painfully main-stream. Can't you do better than that? |
| Re:Enough the propaganda already! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:24PM EST (#188) |
| If you want these things, go create your own site. |
| Re:Enough the propaganda already! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:27PM EST (#196) |
| Don't be silly. There is nothing in that commentary that particularly addresses white folks. Sure, it's mainstream and middle-class, but that's the bulk of the audience. It's good advice whether you're African-American, Latino, Asian, or more white-bread than Wheel-Of-Fortune. Not only that, the same advice applies whatever your gender or sexual orientation (given appropriate modifications in the gender-specific terminology). In short, get over it. |
| just kill yourself (Score:1) by Crow- on Sunday October 24, @01:47PM EST (#222) (User Info) |
| You fucking hypocrite, you can take this PC propaganda and stick it up your ass. So are you suggesting that slashdot should just go around and say "hey, we need a gay editor! oh! we need a black editor too, and we need an editor that has hair-loss problems, oh and we need an asian editor!" its not your fucking website, if you dont like it dont fucking read it. Why is it that there is a tv channel called "Black Entertainment Television", but if there were to be one called "White Entertainment Television" it would be slammed with a lawsuit so quick it woulnd't even be funny. |
| Re:just kill yourself (Score:1) by fidel (mhummel@pcug^SPAM.org.au) on Sunday October 24, @11:33PM EST (#526) (User Info) |
| Well, the ideal appointee for editor is a "black welsh women disabled trade unionist" for editor, you don't know any do you? |
| Why don't you write one? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 24, @01:50PM EST (#225) |
| These articles arn't mainstream because of some white male conspiracy (tm) or anything of the like. If you find these articles "adolescent and painfully main-stream" (which I admit they often are), why don't you write one? |
| Re:Enough the propaganda already! (Score:1) by CrayDrygu on Sunday October 24, @10:39PM EST (#504) (User Info) |
Why don't you get someone on your editorial board who is anything different than you? Got any women? How about married men? Any gay people? Heck, how about any colored people? Two things before I type up the rest of this, just so you know where I'm coming from. One: I'm gay. Two: I don't claim to speak for all gay geeks. Having said that, I can see where you're coming from... but you need to lay off. Would you like to know why they don |
