OSDN : SourceForgeShop ThinkGeekfreshmeatNewslettersTechJobsSlashdot Broadband Search »   X 
[an error occurred while processing this directive]
Welcome to Slashdot Slashdot.org Hardware Patents Announcements Apache
 Login
 Why Login?
 Why Subscribe?

 Sections
 Main
 Apache
 Apple
 Askslashdot
  1 more
 Books
 BSD
 Developers
 Games
  11 more
 Interviews
 Science
  3 more
 YRO
 
 Help
 FAQ
 Bugs

 Stories
 Old Stories
 Old Polls
 Topics
 Hall of Fame
 Submit Story

 About
 Supporters
 Code
 Awards

 Services
 Broadband
 Online Books
 PriceGrabber
 Product News
 Tech Jobs
 IT Research

Microsoft Hotmail/Passport Service Interrupted:UPDATED
Microsoft Posted by Hemos on Saturday December 25, @10:07AM
from the how-canyou-live-without-mail dept.
Oryx Gazella writes "Unable to access Hotmail this Christmas morning? This would be why! You may have received an error like "unable to locate host", or "no such domain" after your browser was directed from www.hotmail.com to lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com. There are no NS records for the domain passport.com in any of the root name servers. Hotmail (www.hotmail.com) uses the Passport Service (www.passport.com) which allows users of the Microsoft Messenger Service to login using their "Passport" and to add other Passport members to their contact list. The new MSN Messenger Service 2.0 is integrated with MSN Hotmail and Microsoft Outlook Express for real-time email notification, and retrieval. " Not being a Hotmail or regular Windows user for that matter, I cannot verify this - but I've gotten several e-mails from people this morning wondering about it.Update: 12/26 01:39 by H:Click below to read the quite humourous conclusion to this story.

Effugas writes "Oh, this is just beautiful. Linux user Michael D. Chaney of Doublewide.Net, upon reading of Microsoft's Christmas loss of the passport.com domain, took it upon himself to donate $35.00 for the world's largest software company to restore service for its customers. I've heard about Linux empowering its users to truly prevent downtime, but this is ridiculous ;-) I'm still laughing--Merry Christmas, Microsoft, from the Linux community to you! "

UO Scientists Get Funding for Quantum Logic Gates | Online Gifts Not There Yet? You're Not Alone.  >

 

Slashdot Login
Nickname:

Password:

Don't have an account yet? Go Create One. A user account will allow you to customize all these nutty little boxes, tailor the stories you see, as well as remember your comment viewing preferences.

Related Links
  • Linux
  • Slashdot
  • Effugas
  • Michael D. Chaney
  • Doublewide.Net
  • this is ridiculous ;-)
  • Oryx Gazella
  • www.hotmail.com
  • www.passport.com
  • H
  • More on Microsoft
  • Also by Hemos
  • This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
    It works for me... (Score:2)
    by Dilbert_ (maarten.schenk@nospam.planetinternet.be) on Saturday December 25, @10:16AM EST (#2)
    (User Info) http://home.planetinternet.be/~honcho/bug
    I'm in Belgium, it is now 17.23, and hotmail works.


    Bezoek WeeWeeWee, een Nederlandstalige Slashdot in wording !
    Re:It works for me... (Score:1)
    by tpck (cryptid@golden.net) on Saturday December 25, @10:17AM EST (#4)
    (User Info)
    I'm in Canada, it is now 11:22 AM, and hotmail don't work. :)
    GU>CS/AT dpu- s-:+ a---? C+++>$ UL++ P+>+++++ L++>++++$ E-(---) W+++>$ N- w(---) t*++ 5-- X+++ R@ tv b++>++++ DI+++ D+++ G+++ e->++++ h!>++ !r--->++ !y+
    NSI is too comfortable... (Score:1)
    by Krimsen (krimsen@acm.org) on Saturday December 25, @10:51AM EST (#36)
    (User Info) http://www.3113.com
    New Jersey, USA 11:49am and it works fine.

    I remember when I had a problem with my domain, it took over 1 month to get it resolved due to Network Solutions' lack of responsiveness. This goes to show that NSI is not really overburdened, but complacent because they have no real competition. They have the resources to fix things on time - they just don't give a $#!+ because "where are you going to go?"...
    There are other registrars now! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:32AM EST (#77)
    Odd, though, that not one of them is located in a non-WIPO country? Coincidence or big gov't/corporate conspiracy?
    Re:It works for me... (Score:2)
    by m3000 (m3000athotmail.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:07AM EST (#51)
    (User Info) http://m3000.1wh.com/linux
    All 3 of my hotmail accounts are working/worked just fine. And I'm recieving mail, since I just got a confirmation mail for the MS Intillimouse Explorer I just bought with some Christmas money :)
    Re:It works for me... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:12AM EST (#58)
    hey, ho, the christmas rat..
    oh, mouse, sorry.
    Re:It works for me... (Score:4, Funny)
    by jarv (setuid_0@hotmail.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:16AM EST (#63)
    (User Info) http://www.malchow.net
    IT'S ALL Y2K. JUST WAIT ANOTHER WEEK.

    *EVERYTHING WILL BE DOWN*

    THE APOCALYPSE IS NEAR.


    You have science, I have bacon.
    Re:It works for me... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 02, @01:30PM EST (#272)
    Get a life for goodness sake!
    Re:It does not work for me... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @05:43PM EST (#161)
    Hey I'm in Denmark, 00:39 an it I cant even get to the web site.. Merry Christmas
    Merry Christmas to all of you (Score:0, Offtopic)
    by vluther (vluther@linuxpowered.com) on Saturday December 25, @10:17AM EST (#3)
    (User Info) http://www.linuxpowered.com
    Merry Christmas.. off topic.. but hey it's christmas..so..have a good day.
    hotmail sUx0rZ (Score:1, Funny)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @10:20AM EST (#5)
    My brother can't get on hotmail either. Kinda funny, he came into my room to see if it would work in here, slashdot is my "home" page, so it loaded first. The ignorant brother ignored the loaded page, tried to go to hotmail, it doesn't work, complains at me. I go to check for myself, and there in BIG LETTERS on the already-loaded slashdot page is "Hotmail Not Working" Heh Merry Armageddon to all, and to all a good looting!
    Decent webmail? (Score:3, Interesting)
    by chill on Saturday December 25, @10:20AM EST (#6)
    (User Info)
    Netscape Webmail has been real flakey, too. I couldn't get in at all two days ago; the "premium services" have been "temporaily suspended" for a while now and just today when I tried to look up the message I saved with my Slashdot p/w it told me "message temporarily unavailable".

    Does anyone have any opinions as to which webmail (Lycos, Yahoo, Netscape, Hotmail, OperaMail, etc.) is the best. By best I mean:

    1. Reliable! 99.99% uptime!
    2. Quick access.
    3. Everything else (sub-folders, filters, etc.)

    -chill
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by Anonymous Cowpoop on Saturday December 25, @10:43AM EST (#26)
    (User Info)
    I use www.amexmail.com for my non-spam account (ie: the one I DONT advertize on slashdot). They have a deal with usa.net so its a nice short extention. They also offer POP and Web access, they go down occasionally for mainteance(sp?) from 1-5 in the morning (EST), and sub-folders, filters, etc.

    Anonymous Hay goes in and I come out...
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:2, Informative)
    by pen (digdug@hotmail.com?subject=notspam:[subject]) on Saturday December 25, @11:04AM EST (#49)
    (User Info)
    Here are a few decent choices:

    • HotPop - These give you a free POP3 and SMTP account, in exchange for "solicited mailings" (or basically, targeted and legal spam). The legal spam is infrequent, and the services is good. The only catch is that you must authenticate with POP before you mail out, which is a common anti-spam practice.
    • Asian City Webmail - These give you a really nice webmail interface, along with a bunch of domains. I chose ramen.org.
    • Netaddress - Just your average webmail. They also offer a POP3 account for a few bucks, which used to be free but undocumented. I haven't used them in a while, but they were good when I did.
    Generally, Hotmail has been pretty good to me, but I only use it as a spam account. For real email, I use a POP3 account on a friend's box.

    --
    Naur an edraith ammen!

    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:2, Informative)
    by jawad (jawad@nycap.rr.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:20AM EST (#65)
    (User Info) http://jawad.org/
    From HotPOP's page..

    HotPOP is not currently accepting new users. Please try again at a later time.

    Thank you.

    sid=moderation

    Yahoo (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:09AM EST (#55)
    Yahoo is real good. 100% uptime.
    Re:Yahoo (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:29AM EST (#75)
    Just turn off the frames, and its fast and easy!
    Re:Yahoo has better filters too. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @12:14PM EST (#100)
    You can filter based on recipient addresses, which means you can filter out anybody who doesn't address you personally.

    That cuts out 98% of the spam..

    Hotmail is crap. I tried suggesting that filter method to them more than 2 years back and they never responded, did it many times too. So I gave up on them and switched to Yahoo.

    Re:Yahoo (Score:1)
    by cloudmaster (cloudmaster@cloudmaster.com) on Saturday December 25, @01:59PM EST (#131)
    (User Info) http://www.cloudmaster.com/cloudmaster
    They've got a nice, usable interface over at Yahoo too. I'm trying to get somewhat close to that on the web-mail system we're using at the school that pays my bills... Somehow I've gotten a higher level of respect for Yahoo since trying to emulate some of their better ideas. :)
    Re:Yahoo (Score:1)
    by ken_i_m on Sunday December 26, @10:11AM EST (#217)
    (User Info)
    I use a number of different services. Yahoo is my main one. It seems to be the most reliable with the least number of hoops to jump through. I have downloaded the Messenger and though the earlier versions were a bit buggy it seems to be more stable now. Well, at least, stable in comparison to my Wintel box. *grin* Blue use to be my favorite color.
    Re:Yahoo (Score:1)
    by Alowishus (jpenix@rocketmail.com) on Saturday December 25, @02:26PM EST (#135)
    (User Info)
    Yahoo! all the way. Fast as can be, no fancy HTML crap, and no downtime.

    And if you use Yahoo! as your start page, there's a little box you can add to "My Yahoo" that tells you when you have new mail.
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by Trailer Trash (mdchaney@michaelchaney.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:35AM EST (#79)
    (User Info) http://www.doublewide.net/
    try "myrealbox.com", which is a Novell service. I don't think they have subfolders, might want to check, but the rest is there. No frills, but quick and easy.
    MyRealBox.com (Score:3, Informative)
    by Issue9mm (issue9mmAThotmailDOTnospamDOTcom) on Saturday December 25, @12:59PM EST (#116)
    (User Info) http://issue9mm.freeservers.com/
    They do have subfolders... All in all, it's a pretty nice service... Really.


    Don't like "Fir5t Po57 SucK45"? Check out the H4X0R'5 Guide To Slashdot.
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by Pope Slackman (slackFNORDman@cryoFNORDgen.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:55AM EST (#87)
    (User Info) http://fnord.cjb.net
    GMX.net seems to be very good (have only been using it for ~3wks), and has POP access.
    One possible catch: it's in German.

    --Kevin

    =-=-=-=-=-=
    "HELLO SMALL CHILD! WHO IS BACK! I HAVE THE RENEGADE MASTER WITH ME!"
    (Obliterate the obvious to e-mail me.)
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @12:21PM EST (#102)
    I use http://mail.spoiledbrat.com. It's run by a friend, fairly new and works well.
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @12:44PM EST (#109)
    http://www.cfmmail.com
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by quasipunk guy (tsunake at yahoo dot com) on Saturday December 25, @12:49PM EST (#110)
    (User Info)
    I use Yahoo because you can get your mail via POP3 :)
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @01:42PM EST (#130)
    I use NewMail. They provide a HTML mail interface and offer POP access (no SMTP, however, I use my ISP's SMTP). Uptime is decent, with occasional POP outages. I'd give them a look, if you don't mind the fact they run NT.
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by churn on Saturday December 25, @03:05PM EST (#141)
    (User Info)
    atdot.org . Free, reliable, perl, and open source.
    Blatant plug (Score:1)
    by Benley (benley@quitspammingmeyoufrickinidiot.zoiks.net) on Saturday December 25, @04:03PM EST (#146)
    (User Info) http://ben.indianvalley.com
    I like my email service, personally... www.zoiks.net.
    It's nice and reliable, high uptime, filters, no spam, folders, etc, the works.

    -- My threshold is set at -1. Post however the hell you like.
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by hautis (vhautaka@cs.FINLANDSCAPITAL.fi) on Saturday December 25, @04:44PM EST (#153)
    (User Info) http://www.helsinki.fi/~vhautaka
    Another really flaky webmail service with a really terrible interface, poor programming ("you didn't log out last time you used this service, click here to fix this problem, blah blah") but a cool domain name, get a mail account here.

    I used to have a spam address there, probably still have, but the downtimes are incredible and it's slow and they shove you screenfuls of smut ads.


    NOSPAM@REMOVETHIS.NO.SPAM - you'll find the real address somewhere
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:2, Informative)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @04:52PM EST (#155)
    Hi. Here's a list of webmail servers. Some are the same as what you listed (what you want to avoid), but I bet you'll find one you want to use from this list. http://www.2bmail.co.uk/ http://www.888.nu/ http://www.alloymail.com/member/login.page http://www.amexmail.com/ http://altavista.iname.com/member/login.page http://email.angelfire.com/ http://www.anti-social.com/ http://www.apexmail.com/ http://www.arcademaster.com/ http://www.artic.net/posti/ http://www.asiancityweb.com/ http://www.asiapoint.net/netroamer/nrmail/nrmail.cgi http://www.astrosfan.net/ http://www.backpackers.com/ http://www.basemail.com/ http://www.bboy.com/ http://www.bellsouth.com/ http://mail.bigassweb.com/ http://www.bimamail.com/index-en.html http://www.biz.st http://www.businessweekmail.com/login/businessweek.asp http://www.busymail.com/ http://WWW.Byteme.com/ http://www.casablancaresort.com/ENetMail/ http://www.ccnmail.com/ http://mail.chek.com/ http://www.chickmail.com/ http://www.chinalook.com/ http://www.christianmail.net/ http://www.clubvdo.net/ http://www.cmpnetmail.com http://email.cnnsi.com/member/login.page http://www.email.ro http://www.coldmail.com http://conk.com/mail/index.htm http://www.coolmail.com/ http://www.cynetcity.com/ http://www.dwp.net http://www.dejanews.com/ http://www.digitalmail.com/sal/e4e.htm http://www.discovery.com/mydcol/mydcol.html http://www.thedoghousemail.com http://mail.dog.com/ http://www.easypost.com/ http://www.educastmail.com/ http://www.ehmail.com/ http://www.email.com/ http://emailit.to/email/default.asp http://www.splendiferous.com/ http://mail.entrepreneurmag.com http://www.eudoramail.com/ http://www.ethos.st/ http://fetchmail.com/ http://www.fiberia.com/ http://mail.finfin.com/ http://www.flairmail.com/ http://www.flashemail.com/ http://www.flashmail.com/ http://www.fnmail.com/ http://www.focus-asia.com/ http://www.fcmail.com/ http://www.freeaccount.com/ http://www.freemail.com.au/ http://www.freemail.nl/ http://www.freemail.co.za/ http://www.freeweb.essenet.it/ http://www.londonoffice.com/ http://gmail.garfield.com/garfield/login/login.asp http://mailgate.theglobe.com/email/ http://www.gnwmail.com/ http://mail.gocubs.com/ http://www.goplay.com/ http://www.worldmailer.com/ http://www.gurlmail.com/ http://mail.happypuppy.com/ http://www.headbone.com/hbzmail/ http://www.hello.net.au/ http://www.hitthebeach.com/ http://freemail.hongkong.com/ http://members.hotbot.com/nc_join.html http://www.hotmail.com/ http://www.id-base.net/Mail/ http://freemail.idg.net/member/login.page http://www.ignmail.com/ http://www.imaginemail.com/ http://InfoBank.au.com/welcome.html http://pic2.infospace.com/webmail.html?r=hp http://email.ivillage.com http://www.jamaicamail.com/ http://www.jpostmail.com/ http://www.jewishmail.com/ http://www.jmail.co.jp/ http://www.juniormail.com/login/juniormail.asp http://www.justicemail.com/ http://tw.joymail.com http://www.kmail.com.au/ http://mail.kmsp.com/ http://mail1.korea.com/ http://www.kunani.com/pop/freemail.asp http://www.latinolink.com http://www.law.com/main2/freemail/ http://www.edmail.com/ http://www.liquidinformation.net/ http://www.log-me-on.com/welcome.htm http://www.looksmart.com/ http://www.lycosemail.com/ http://win.mail.ru/cgi-bin/splash http://www.mailbox.sk/ http://www.mailcity.com/ http://www.mailexcite.com/ http://www.mail.forum.dk/ http://www.mailtag.com/public/default.htm http://email.martindale.com/member/login.page http://www.mauimail.com/ http://mail.medsite.com http://www.megapoint.com/roam/ http://www.mixmail.com/ http://www.mrpost.com/ http://www.myownemail.com/ http://www.myworldmail.com/ http://www.n2mail.com/ http://www.netaddress.com/ http://www.nimail.com http://www.netradio.net/nr-mail/login.html http://www.nj.com/njoemail/ http://www.netnet.com.sg/ http://www.newmail.net/ http://www.operamail.com/ http://our.st/mailjunction/index.asp http://www.parsmail.com/ http://www.pemail.net/ http://philippines.to/ http://www.pinoymail.com http://www.planetarymotion.com/ http://www.popmail.com/ http://www.post.cz/ http://www.post.sk/ http://www.postmark.net/ http://www.postmaster.co.uk/ http://www.pousa.com/ http://www.prontomail.com/ http://www.quikmail.com/ http://www.RaceMail.com/ http://www.rocketmail.com/ http://www.rsnmail.com/member/login.page http://www.sacbeemail.com/sacbee/login/sacbee.asp http://www.safarimail.com/ http://www.salu.net/ http://www.sawasdee.com http://www.sentrismail.com/ http://www.schizo.com/email/ http://my.SchoolSucks.com/SchoolSucks/login/login.asp http://www.sharewaredevelopers.com/sdmail/ http://mail.spaceports.com/index.asp http://email.sportsline.com/member/login.page http://www.starmedia.com/cgi-bin/choose.pl http://www.start.com.au/StartX/Index.asp http://mail.starting-point.com/ http://www.storksite.com/ http://studentcenter.infomall.org/free-email.html http://webmail.switchboard.com/member/login.page http://www.supernews.com/ http://teleserve.dynip.com/mail/ http://www.thirdage.com/community/email/ http://www.unbounded.com/ http://usenet.zzn.com/email/login/login.asp http://www.virginriver.com/ENetMail/ http://www.visto.com/ http://www.vlmail.com/public/default.htm http://www.netivate.com/mail/login.htm http://www.walla.co.il/ http://www.webmails.com./ http://www.webstar.com.my/ http://www.whomail.net/ http://www.women.com/membership/email.html http://www.wowmail.com/ http://www.xoommail.com/ http://mail.yahoo.com/ http://www.yawmail.com/ http://freemail.yeehaa.com/ http://www.ynnmail.com/ http://www.youvegotmail.net/index.htm http://www.zzn.com/ http://www.zensearch.net/ http://www.zdnetmail.com/ whew.... bongart@nettaxi.com
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by mangu on Saturday December 25, @05:56PM EST (#164)
    (User Info)
    You forgot http://www.zipmail.com.br
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by Ashen on Sunday December 26, @03:33PM EST (#233)
    (User Info)
    You also forgot http://www.kittymail.com ^^;
    Check out Angelfire. 'Tis Grand (Score:2)
    by Cplus (cplus(@)angelfire.com) on Saturday December 25, @06:07PM EST (#167)
    (User Info) http://www.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=cplus
    I've been using it for a couple years now and it's great. I've only seen it down once, and what a piss off that was (three hours, but I'm a whiner).

    Here.


    Merry Christmas 5l45hd07 b17ch35!
    (Just kidding, I'm not 1337 enough to have come up with that on my own, my kid sister is a h4x0r.


    If KFC was open-source, I could get my hands on the Colonel.
    Start Mail - www.start.com.au (Score:1)
    by Xenex on Saturday December 25, @06:48PM EST (#173)
    (User Info)
    This is without a doubt the best mail service I have found. It forfills the three criteria - Reliable, Quick, and Everything else with ease...

    It may be an .au site, but I don't use it because it's Australian. I use it because it's the best!
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by Peter La Casse (peter_lacasse@bigfoot.com) on Saturday December 25, @07:14PM EST (#177)
    (User Info) http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lacasse/

    hushmail.com - finally, a reason to enable Java. :)

    Seriously, I like it a lot because of the strong encryption that's transparent enough for my mother to use. (So far I haven't had any problems using it either.) I haven't heard of any other encryption-oriented webmail places, but I'm sure they're out there somewhere.

    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by Demensia (Idontcare@dontlikeme.byteme.com) on Saturday December 25, @09:25PM EST (#184)
    (User Info)
    Well in the search for new email services, I have come across www.visto.com. This is a relatively new service but by far better than the rest. Visto provides a complete desktop like suit. Once you login you have email;, a schedula, a task reminder, a calendar/scheduler. Very nice please try it out and let me know what you think.....
    Demensia is truely an advanced state of mind, trust me peons I know what I am talking about.....
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @10:35PM EST (#187)
    Mail.com offers pretty good webmail, plus they have a huge selection of domains to choose from.
    hahaaha (Score:1)
    by alhiane on Sunday December 26, @03:18AM EST (#205)
    (User Info)
    it works when i use outlook but when i use the browser i get nothing kinda odd don't u think
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by jordang on Sunday December 26, @12:58PM EST (#226)
    (User Info)
    I have been known to use PureBooty - www.purebooty.com

    Pretty good webmail with great interface, nice features (notification of new mail to other account, etc)

    not to mention a really great name

    Jordan
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 26, @02:23PM EST (#231)
    I go for the smaller webmail sites. I use animenation.com 's webmail service =D...besides where else can you get a ***@nervhq.org domain. Well most of their domains are anime related but hey i'm a fan. Smaller == less load == less crash / downtime ^.^
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by moonlit2 on Monday December 27, @03:18AM EST (#247)
    (User Info) http://www.moonlit.net/
    REAL men use their own mailserver and pine... :-)
    For business purposes I also use webmail, and my choice is HushMail, the encrypted alternative. It runs entirely in Java, so you don't get the lag normal HTML gives you.

    Btw, does anyone have a good, and FREE, webmail package for apache to recommend?

    -dag
    - Yup. He got it.
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 29, @08:14AM EST (#261)
    I have a free one hat I have been using courtesy of a university kid up in chicago who posted his stuff on tucows. it's default interface is seriously some of the ugliest html I have ever seen, but you can edit the source, it's free, and compiles into a c++ cgi , nice and fast. besides, I wasn't looking for shock me, rock me html out of the program, since everyone that uses it probably wants to make it integrate with the rest of their site theme. oh yeah, it's absolutely free. abd you can get it here as soon as this guy gets back from christmas vacation and plugs his linux box back into the college network. no, I am not an anonymous coward, I am just too lazy to hunt down my slashdot password after losing the cookie.
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 28, @04:31AM EST (#253)
    try email.com
    AWESOME EMAIL (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 28, @05:18PM EST (#256)
    check out www.email.com its sweet, its never been down that i know of, its got folders, its really great plus your at email.com so its easy to remember
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 29, @09:17PM EST (#263)
    http://www.msgto.com
    Re:Decent webmail? (Score:1)
    by Canadian AC (CanadianAC@NOSPAM.telebot.net) on Thursday December 30, @12:02AM EST (#264)
    (User Info)
    www.telebot.net
    it has authenticated smtp,pop3 and imap4,work fine.

    Canadian AC CanadianAC@NOSPAM.telebot.net
    www.emailaddresses.com (Score:1)
    by The Toy Bandit on Monday January 03, @08:11AM EST (#274)
    (User Info)
    Check out Http://www.emailaddresses.com and pick one. With reviews and all.
    More info (Score:1)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Saturday December 25, @10:20AM EST (#7)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    As most /.ers are well aware, Hotmail uses FreeBSD to operate the mail system (a choice made by the original owners b4 micros~1 bought the company. micros~1 is currently hiring skilled engineers with FreeBSD experience (as this /. article shows).

    Are you interested in being associated with a mail system that goes down more than a presidential intern? :) Now's your chace to work for the evil empire.
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf

    No Hotmail in the Great White North (Score:1)
    by dazil on Saturday December 25, @10:22AM EST (#8)
    (User Info)
    I am in Prince Rupert British Columbia, Canada (check your maps, and look for the "middle of nowhere"), and I have been unable to access my Hotmail account since at least 23:00 PST on the 24th. I have been a frequent traveller this year, and it seems like the availability of Hotmail is directly related to my travel schedule ;-)
    no hotmail for 3 days in the west (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @12:12PM EST (#99)
    I'm on the west coast of the US and haven't been able to access hotmail for the past 3 days due to DNS errors. I am extremely UNHAPPY with MS/Hotmail as I am out of town and it is the only way I can check my email. I also happen to be expecting some important email which makes it all the more frustrating. I am suprised that MS/Hotmail hasn't fixed this by now, or at least put a news item about it on MSN.com... Yes, Hotmail is free but the fact is, there is a LOT of competition for free web based email, a fuck up like this is gonna cost them a lot of users. Why does microsoft always fuck up so bad?
    Hotmail down for weeks (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @04:11PM EST (#150)
    Since around 25 November my Hotmail account has been fubar. After I delete my email it reappears the next morning as new. Now my account is too big and I get no email. I even called customer support - twice - and they said "we are working on it." It's all too late for me; I've struggled with Hotmail all year so I moved on to Yahoo! Hotmail sucks.
    Re:Hotmail down for weeks (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @08:09PM EST (#179)
    ive had the same problem. email i've read will reappear as new, stuff i've deleted will come back. it's really annoying. i dunno wtf microsoft has done to hotmail but they are really fucking things up over there. all of this passport and MSN shit... i just fucking want an email account i can use anywhere with web access, i don't give a shit about instant messaging or any of the other bullshit.
    Re: Hotmail still not working? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 02, @09:03AM EST (#271)
    Should I give up on Hotmail.com and consider my email account a loss? Since Christmas Day, I have not been able to login to my email account and continue to receive the same error message. I have tried to call the help phone # but on hold too long. Customer service definitely sucks. Also, I have sent an email message describing my problem and this was the reply: Thank you for writing to Microsoft Passport. This e-mail is to let you know that the problem you've described to the Technical Support Staff has been confirmed and is currently under evaluation. We understand the importance of this issue and are doing everything within our means to correct the situation. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you, and we thank for your continued patience. Sincerely, Microsoft Passport Customer Support
    MS introducing their root name servers? (Score:1)
    by andri on Saturday December 25, @10:22AM EST (#9)
    (User Info)
    Think about it. Inroducing their own root name servers allows them to sell domains at their own will, even existing ones. And hardcoding these name servers into Win* OS's, of course. For VPNs without Internet access they would introduce MS-DNS Server (starting at $899)...

    Eek. Let's hope it won't happen.
    Like they'll be any worse than NSI?!?? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @03:41PM EST (#143)
    I'm surprised your post wasn't moderated (Score:3, Mandatory but Pointless Micro$oft Bashing)
    Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:1)
    by Aravaipa on Saturday December 25, @10:24AM EST (#10)
    (User Info)
    I have a number of friends and family who use (shudder) Hotmail and have asked about alternatives. I have a feeling services of this ilk are all pretty much the same, but if anyone has any suggestions to pass along, they would be appreciated.
    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:1)
    by ToiletDuk (toiletduk @ fishdot.org) on Saturday December 25, @10:43AM EST (#25)
    (User Info) http://www.fishdot.org
    I use OneBox (OneBox.com. The service is reliable, and they also give you a free voice mail box. They have local numbers in many metropolitan areas, and the voicemail is linked up with the e-mail system. Get an e-mail, and when you check your voicemail it tells you that you have new mail. Check your e-mail and you can download all your voicemail messages as WAV files. Very neat.

    They also have some free offers like 100 free business cards if you sign up, etc... Nice stuff.
    www.fishdot.org: Home of the Furby Hooker Network

    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:1)
    by nikhil (nikhil@nols.com) on Saturday December 25, @10:44AM EST (#28)
    (User Info) http://www.nols.com/
    I have a couple of friends who use Mailsafe for their email.

    Mailsafe provides a High-Security Email System. You access your mail over a HTTPS connection, so no one can sniff your mail. I find that their Secure Mail system to be a very good alternative to Hotmail and other free email systems.

    The only problem is the fact that they charge per account. For people who actually can't deal with downtimes Mailsafe will be perfect for them.

    Although I'm not a subscriber, I'd recommend it since all my friends that use it LOVE the service.
    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:1)
    by Rogain on Saturday December 25, @12:05PM EST (#94)
    (User Info)
    My Favorite is www.anti-social.com The interface is a little clumsy and no subfolders, but you have to love that domain.
    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @12:21PM EST (#103)
    There are tons of Hotmail alternatives. (go to yahoo, type in "free email" and you'll be amazed!) I use two that I like: excite, and mailandnews. I think now just about every portal (yahoo, altavista, netscape, etc.) gives free e-mail. excite has a nice interface, and it's easy to set up to check multiple external pop mail boxes, which is very useful when travelling. mailandnews.com is great because you get a free pop mail box, which you can check using any regular mail client. It seems fairly reliable, although about once a week or so it's inaccessible for about an hour. Not enough to make a big difference, and it is, after all, a free pop mail box!
    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:1)
    by atam (a_tam27(AT)yahoo(DOT)com) on Saturday December 25, @10:59PM EST (#189)
    (User Info)
    Me and my family all use the free mail accounts at yahoo. I used for about a year and so far has no (yes, none) spam messages. On the other hand, my hotmail account average 10 or more spam mails per day.
    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 26, @02:54AM EST (#202)
    I have gotten a few spams in my Yahoo account, but I recommend them wholeheartedly. They have just about every feature you need for mail, and just about every other service you could think of on the same site.
    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:1)
    by toast0 (toast@dont.spam.me.ruka.org) on Sunday December 26, @01:37PM EST (#228)
    (User Info) http://ruka.org/~toast
    gotta go with http://my.schoolsucks.com

    the domain just kicks ass

    i havent' had any problems with it, but then i haven't really used it either
    What do you get when you mix FreeBSD and linux? A daemonic penguin who has just fed on the souls of a bunch of herring.
    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 27, @05:10AM EST (#248)

    Email.Com has free message forwarding which is kind of usefull at times.


    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:1)
    by guymar on Tuesday December 28, @02:09AM EST (#252)
    (User Info)
    There's a couple of nice ones: for me the best is mailandnews.com: here you can access your mail over the web with lots of features and a very clear interface, you can also access it (simultaneaously) as POP3, and more importandly as IMAP4, meaning you can do the same as Hotmail with the offline client you find in Outlook Express 5, only...better! You can also use dots in your name instead of underscore. Overview of mailservices with IMAP or POP combined with webmail at: www.emailaddresses.com or at www.fepg.net
    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 28, @07:34AM EST (#254)
    We provide free mail account on : http://mail.agat.net/
    Like hotmail, but without microsoft behind. 100% GPL stuff. And only volonters for best service.
    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:1)
    by nion (nion@NOSPAM.geekfest.net) on Tuesday December 28, @06:42PM EST (#257)
    (User Info) http://www.geekfest.net
    I personally like mail.com. You can choose a @whereever.com domain (they have several to choose from) and offer some pretty good services, such as POP3 access, Organizer and forwarding. Best of all, it's not owned or supported by M$.

    -nion (remove the garbage)
    Re:Hotmail Alternatives? (Score:1)
    by guymar on Wednesday December 29, @02:21AM EST (#259)
    (User Info)
    Yep, but you need to pay for popmail and they are considered as spammers, so a number of providers simply block th mail coming from their domains, certainly not a solution for professional users!
    NSI (Score:1)
    by zyklone (zyklone@hotmail.com) on Saturday December 25, @10:24AM EST (#11)
    (User Info)
    I suspect Network Solutions will be flamed quite badly for this by Microsoft.

    The domain is still in the WHOIS so perhaps they just forgot to actually pay for the domain and NSI blocked it.

    Re:NSI (Score:1)
    by Nipok Nek on Saturday December 25, @10:28AM EST (#14)
    (User Info) http://go.to/Elsewhere
    Ha! Wouldn't it just be the icing on the cake if one of the recently documented problems with the Name Server allocation routines allowed someone else to snatch passport.com out from under them? I'll bet NSI would change their tune REAL quick if someone like Microsoft came breathing down their necks. :)

    Nipok Nek
    A Host is a Host from Coast to Coast/ And noone will talk to a Host that's close/ Unless the Host that isn't close/ Is busy, hung, or dead.
    Re:NSI (Score:3, Interesting)
    by zyklone (zyklone@hotmail.com) on Saturday December 25, @10:53AM EST (#40)
    (User Info)
    Whoo, it appears that they might actually have forgotten to pay.
    I did a check on https://payments.networksolutions.com/
    and they actually have an unpaid invoice.

    Domain Name passport.com
    Invoice Number 11395965
    Amount Due $35.00

    Billing Contact Information
    Gudmundson , Carolyn
    Phone: +1 (425) 882-xxx Fax: +1 (425) 936-7xxx
    Microsoft Corporation
    One Microsoft Way
    Redmond , WA 98052
    UNITED STATES US
    Re:NSI (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:21AM EST (#66)
    I agree, it looks like either M$ did not pay, or else NSI did not record the payment. If I recall correctly, the creation date of the record for passport.com was October 2. That and the fact that they have a $35 balance indicates that M$ is almost 3 months overdue paying their bills.
    Re:NSI (Score:1)
    by TimeWaste on Saturday December 25, @01:15PM EST (#121)
    (User Info)
    My personal domain disappeared from the root nameservers yesterday as well... it looks like I really did forget to pay it! The invoice was due Oct 31, and I "thought" I had paid it but I guess not. I went into that same system and saw that the same invoice was still due. I paid it last night and I'm still not in the root servers yet (neither is passport.com).

    I'm guessing that NSI ran some batch job that nuked all non-payments over a few months. The crappy part is that my address was old, so I didn't get any of the 15 "NOTICE OF FINAL DISCONNECTION" notices that they send out by snail mail. I was surprised I got exactly one thing by email: the invoice itself.
    Not NSI' Repsonibility (Score:1)
    by EXTomar on Sunday December 26, @02:15PM EST (#229)
    (User Info) http://chaos.trxinc.com
    ...to make sure Microsoft pays the bill. NSI has every right to disable services for any deliquent client.

    On the other hand, I think Monday will be amusing when people wake up and realize what has happened. :-)
    Yahoo mail seems almost too good. Should I worry? (Score:1)
    by Gambit Thirty-Two (gambit32-at-synack-dot-org) on Saturday December 25, @10:26AM EST (#12)
    (User Info) http://gambit32.synack.org/
    I've never liked HotMail at all really, their spam filters dont pick up ANYTHING, and I currently use the Yahoo mail service. They seem fairly reliable and right now I'm quite happy with them. Above someone talks about Netscape's being rather flaky, but I dont remember any kind of problems so far with Yahoo.

    Have there been any that anyone can recall? Only Yahoo incident I remember is their page being hacked like 3-4 years ago
    Gambit32
    Another Yahoo mail endorsement (Score:2)
    by roblimo (roblimo.nojunk@slashdot.org) on Saturday December 25, @10:37AM EST (#19)
    (User Info)
    I use Yahoo web-based e-mail whenever I'm on the road; it's easier than setting up POP stuff through "borrowed" network connections. I've never had a problem with it.

    They send you a little spam, but you can run it into a separate "bulk mail" mailbox and delete it all with a single click without ever even looking at it.

    - Robin

    Re:Another Yahoo mail endorsement (Score:1)
    by z4ce on Saturday December 25, @10:58AM EST (#44)
    (User Info)
    You could use the webbased pop client "MailMan" by Endymion software. I'm not sure what license it's under, but my ISP uses it. Some of my friends have also set it up for their own personal use when they're on the road. I'm guessing a search at freshmeat would find it. It's the best of both worlds: portablity and no spamablity:) Enelse of course you have friends that want GAP, Nike and old navy gift certificates. Or they think they're being insightful with forwarding %19 bigger moon.

    Ian
    Re:Another Yahoo mail endorsement (Score:2)
    by dodobh (d o d o b h @ v s n l . c o m) on Sunday December 26, @03:05AM EST (#204)
    (User Info)
    Try nettaxi or zxmail instead. They offer pop3 as well as web based access, with no spam yet.

    Just a satisfied user.

    Life is an eraser. You have enough time to erase your mistakes
    Yahoo mail great since before Yahoo! (Score:1)
    by LoppEar on Saturday December 25, @03:26PM EST (#142)
    (User Info)
    Yahoo Mail, formerly owned by Four11, formerly Rocketmail.com, is great. I've used their service (or the predecessors, the interface has barely changed at all) for nearly 4 years.

    Availability has never been a problem, and the features are very well laid out and useful. As Roblimo, I use the POP access all the time, makes it so much easier on other people's computers. The filtering is also quite good (bulk mail and personal filters both).

    I also give Yahoo kudos for their smooth transition a couple months ago for those of us with Rocketmail accounts, being allowed to keep our addresses but switch over to the "official" Yahoo Mail system. Though for the two years between Yahoo buying it and switching it over we had no advertisements. :)

    Email me at luko (at) rocketmail (dot) com

    LoppEar
    Re:Yahoo mail seems almost too good. Should I worr (Score:1)
    by griffjon (griffjon@spamsucks.austin.rr.noitreallydoes.com) on Saturday December 25, @09:20PM EST (#183)
    (User Info) http://www.GriffJon.com
    They've had a few problems with script being able to be sent through email headers (read, "!!VIRUS that infects you without even opening your email!!"). These didn't get abused to my knowledge and were patched soon after Yahoo's attention was brought to them.


    I personally despise their UI on logging in, too many clicks to get to my inbox. That's not to say that I don't have 4-5 yahoo accounts, tho O:)
    --GriffJon "All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind." --Aristotle

    Re:Yahoo mail seems almost too good. Should I worr (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @10:17PM EST (#186)
    Normal mailreaders don't have this problem. Smells like an idiot problem. Try something like "Mail" or "inc" next time.
    Re:Yahoo mail seems almost too good. Should I worr (Score:1)
    by Louis on Monday December 27, @01:53AM EST (#246)
    (User Info)
    I had problems accessing my mailbox for a week or two about three months ago. Both from the web page, and from a POP3 client.

    Problems have since disappeared.
    Ah, I love it when I plan comes together (Score:2, Funny)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @10:28AM EST (#13)
    Yes, it's all coming together nicely...

    You see, those adds for people with Linux/BSD skills were not only filled by zealots, but by full-fledged UNIX-guerrillas! Don't worry folks, everything's going to plan. Soon enough, we'll have the whole MS compound sealed off, then we'll move in for the kill -9...

    uh, no (Score:1, Informative)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @10:30AM EST (#15)
    This is incorrect. Some backbone (I think it's cw) is having problems with its name servers.


    > server ns.cw.net
    Default Server: ns.cw.net
    Address: 204.70.128.1

    > passport.com
    Server: ns.cw.net
    Address: 204.70.128.1

    *** ns.cw.net can't find passport.com:
    Non-existent host/domain
    > www.passport.com
    Server: ns.cw.net
    Address: 204.70.128.1

    *** ns.cw.net can't find www.passport.com:
    Non-existent host/domain
    > server ns1.savvis.net
    Default Server: ns1.savvis.net
    Address: 209.16.211.42

    > passport.com
    Server: ns1.savvis.net
    Address: 209.16.211.42

    Name: passport.com
    Address: 207.46.198.16

    >
    jones
    Re:uh, no (Score:2, Insightful)
    by zyklone (zyklone@hotmail.com) on Saturday December 25, @10:46AM EST (#30)
    (User Info)
    Some nameservers have the domain cached.

    They should stop working in a few hours.

    Re:uh, no (Score:1)
    by mpmeeks on Sunday December 26, @12:09AM EST (#192)
    (User Info)
    Coward is correct it is a routing problem with Cable and Wireless. my ISP has emailed them, it should be fixed..."soon". (this happened last week too, but it was a different backbone) you can usually use www.anonymizer.com to get around routing problems like this but it doesnt support secure connections like hotmail. *sniffle sniffle*
    Possible publicity stunt? (Score:3, Insightful)
    by tpck (cryptid@golden.net) on Saturday December 25, @10:31AM EST (#16)
    (User Info)
    What if...

    Microsoft purposefully takes down Hotmail, and then blames in on the crappyness of FreeBSD? Then slam FreeBSD big time and replace it with a Windows NT solution they just happen to have waiting in the wings.

    Ooooooohhh. Conspiracy I say. What do they have to lose if they do this? They get to slam FreeBSD and promote Windows NT all at the same time. And its fairly clear that most people don't really care if Hotmail goes down for a little bit anyways, nor care if its secure. (I'm thinking about the security problem they had a while back.)

    I just thought I'd share that nice juicy rumour I heard from my friend who works over at Hotmail and is involved in the decission making process. (He will of course go unamed and I will not provide anything to back up my claims.)

    But remember: don't blame things on stupidity and incompetence when you can blame things on conspiracy. Or is it the other way around? :)

    Oh, and I'm not dissing FreeBSD. I like it. So blah.
    GU>CS/AT dpu- s-:+ a---? C+++>$ UL++ P+>+++++ L++>++++$ E-(---) W+++>$ N- w(---) t*++ 5-- X+++ R@ tv b++>++++ DI+++ D+++ G+++ e->++++ h!>++ !r--->++ !y+

    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:1)
    by xianzombie on Saturday December 25, @10:44AM EST (#29)
    (User Info)
    a year or so back (if memory serves), M$ did try taking down the FreeBSD servers and replacing them with NT servers. Didn't work. NT couldn't handle the loads or something, or just wouldn't setup to maintain the system the way it was. I doubt its a publicity stunt, however if it is, i hope no one falls for it
    Outcome and Intent Rarely Conincide
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @01:38PM EST (#127)
    AFAIK, Microsoft did not start the conversion to NT/Exchange. They did do a bunch research and testing before determining that it wasn't feasible at that time.

    It wasn't that the IIS webserver couldn't handle the load (lookit www.microsoft.com or any number of other clustered IIS sites) -- the problem was migrating from Solaris/Oracle(?) to MS Exchange for the datastore. Since Exchange is a rather small time LAN messenging system, it would seem that MS SQL might be a better choice, but then again the whole point of the conversion would be for marketing reasons.
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:1)
    by ToiletDuk (toiletduk @ fishdot.org) on Saturday December 25, @10:46AM EST (#31)
    (User Info) http://www.fishdot.org
    I doubt that would happen. Remember a year or so ago when Microsoft tried to convert Hotmail's engine over to NT servers, and they bombed heavily? Unless Windows 2000 is super-duper-better I doubt they're gonna have any luck with a Windows server based hotmail install.
    www.fishdot.org: Home of the Furby Hooker Network
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:2)
    by Foogle (foogle@adelphia.net) on Saturday December 25, @11:09AM EST (#53)
    (User Info)
    You know what I think is funny? Microsoft's webpage is run on NT servers, and it's *never* been Slashdotted (or hacked either, AFAIK). But everyone loves quoting that NT can't handle Hotmail's services. Believe me, if it can handle the MSN & MS homepages, it can handle Hotmail. I think the problem was probably in the implementation they used... I guess we'll never know.

    -----------

    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
    - They Might Be Giants

    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:1)
    by bero-rh (bero@redhat.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:49AM EST (#84)
    (User Info) http://people.redhat.com/bero
    First of all: What tells you microsoft.com && msn.com are really running on NT?
    It's not a big problem to patch the Linux (or *BSD)/Apache combination to identify itself as NT/IIS. I think even Microsoft developers could handle that.
    Second, *.{microsoft,msn}.com are relatively huge clusters. Even if a lot of boxes crash or get cracked, the others will still work.
    I think if you have 100 NT boxes and a programmable power supply ("hard-reboot" a box as soon as it stops responding to pings), you
    can actually run a server that is about as stable as one box running a real OS...
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @01:41PM EST (#129)
    I'm curious. What "one box running a real OS" could serve all of www.microsoft.com?
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @05:04PM EST (#157)
    A sun E5K running solaris could easily handle microsoft.com.
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @07:13PM EST (#176)
    At about 10x the price in hardware.
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:2)
    by daviddennis (david@amazing.com) on Sunday December 26, @01:21AM EST (#199)
    (User Info) http://www.amazing.com/
    Check the hardware configuration page for Microsoft.com - they have a LOT of money invested in their systems. How much would the needed E10k run?

    D

    ----
    amazing.com has amazing things.
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:1)
    by Panaflex (davenrs@NOSPAM.mailexcite.com) on Sunday December 26, @02:16PM EST (#230)
    (User Info) http://alpha.austin1.com
    Well.. our e6k costs around 700k. (not including shipping, power, cooling, etc.)

    Pan
    Moderators Guide -- It's all fun and games till someone starts keeping score!
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:1)
    by reflector (reflector@deletethis.fastpointcom.com) on Sunday December 26, @10:27PM EST (#243)
    (User Info) ftp://ftp7.netscape.com
    I think I heard someone mention that e10ks go for about 1.5 mil. But I'd think it'd depend what options you get with it.

    ----- This sig contains no references of any sort to LSD.
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 26, @04:20PM EST (#236)

    Why is www.sun.com so damn slow then? Bandwidth? I'm sure the traffic must be much lower than www.microsoft.com.
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:2)
    by Foogle (foogle@adelphia.net) on Saturday December 25, @02:45PM EST (#138)
    (User Info)
    What makes you so sure that Hotmail is running BSD? Or that Slashdot is running Linux? Yeah, they could be falsely IDing themselves, but I doubt it. As for your second point: so what? Most heavily-trafficked web-sites do run as clusters, for obvious performance and reliablity reasons.

    -----------

    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
    - They Might Be Giants

    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @01:40PM EST (#128)
    Until about a year ago, www.microsoft.com was frequently "slashdotted". They've somewhat recently bulked-up the setup and/or made major improvements in IIS.
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:1)
    by Baz Quux (microsofthostmaster@dotcomnow.com) on Saturday December 25, @05:14PM EST (#159)
    (User Info) http://www2.coastalnet.com/~w8x8m8nb/
    Microsoft's webpage is run on NT servers, and it's *never* been Slashdotted

    This isn't really the point, as the issue is DNS and not OS reliability or security, but microsoft.com does get knocked over. See here - home.microsoft.com, running IIS on NT4, telling me "Server too busy." (You'll just have to take my word it that I didn't doctor that screenshot any. I thought it was so funny when that happened, I had to capture it.)


    --
    "Three minutes later, I hear the shots. I close his account, he won't be needing it anymore."
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:01PM EST (#190)
    There's been rumors that Microsoft will start limiting connections to Netscape browsers when things get busy. It'd been interesting if you could have gotten through by emulating IE in the HTTP header.
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 26, @01:07AM EST (#197)
    www.microsoft.com was running NT3.x until just recently.. they are now running IIS 5 and NT5 beta.. sadly, though, any of their old ~12 servers in that cluster were easily taken out by some simple exploits for the longest time. Get all ~12 of them in a row, or at the same time, and www.microsoft.com is completely down. Check www.microsoft.com now with netcraft Later.
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 26, @04:23PM EST (#237)
    www.microsoft.com was running on NT4.

    Netcraft reports "Microsoft-IIS/4.0 on NT3", which is clearly incorrect because IIS 4.0 only runs on NT4.
    This is an old John Dvorak rumor. (Score:1)
    by EdlinUser (jamesmcinis@nospam.ipa.net) on Saturday December 25, @12:11PM EST (#97)
    (User Info) http://www.ipa.net/~jamesmcinis
    After a Hotmail crash some months back John Dvorak started this rumor (that MS deliberately brought Hotmail down). It was one of his more humorous pieces at the time; it's kinda stale now. BTW Now that Linux is on the ZD radar I'm looking for Dvorak to write some really funny stuff about our little revolution. "Transmeta is Paul Allen's (& Bill's) way to *buy* Linus" "The secret code in RedHat" "LinuxOne to be bigger than TurboLinux" Oh, I can't wait.

    I remember the Web before the thugs and their lawyers came. Boycott Amazon.com Boycott eToys.com
    Hotmail just hired a FreeBSD expert... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 26, @03:24AM EST (#206)
    So it's quite unlikely.

    Why would they put someone new on the books who's good with FreeBSD just to replace it with NT/Win2K?
    Re:Hotmail just hired a FreeBSD expert... (Score:1)
    by interiot on Sunday December 26, @09:03AM EST (#215)
    (User Info)
    Because everyone knows that 2 days before you finish a massive conversion, the old system dies and you have to do a lot of work to keep the old one running until the new one comes online.
    Re:Possible publicity stunt? (Score:1)
    by Stargazer (targz@softhome/.net) on Sunday December 26, @01:03PM EST (#227)
    (User Info)
    Hmmm... an interesting theory, to say the least. It would be quite possible, and wouldn't surprise me coming from Microsoft. It wouldn't work, however, and that's for the simple fact that actions speak louder than words. Remember, this is Microsoft -- they can tell Hotmail to do anything they want. So how come those servers aren't running WinNT, if it's so much better than FreeBSD? Yeah, I thought so.

    -- Stargazer

    dig @a.root-servers.net passport.com (8:30am PST) (Score:2, Informative)
    by Jason Johannson (jase@euphonix-projects.org) on Saturday December 25, @10:33AM EST (#17)
    (User Info) http://euphonix-projects.org
    ; > DiG 8.2 > @a.root-servers.net passport.com ; (1 server found) ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 10 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; passport.com, type = A, class = IN ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: COM. 1D IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. hostmaster.internic.NET. ( 1999122401 ; serial 30M ; refresh 15M ; retry 1W ; expiry 1D ) ; minimum ;; Total query time: 300 msec ;; FROM: argo to SERVER: a.root-servers.net 198.41.0.4 ;; WHEN: Sat Dec 25 08:31:33 1999 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 30 rcvd: 107 There ya go.
    - Jase
    works fine (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @10:33AM EST (#18)
    I've been logged in since 6 this morning and it's worked fine. (MSN messenger, mail etc. etc.) Along with Yahoo pager etc. etc. :) I'm at work and in front of the computer. the truth is - Yeah microsoft sucks. but: We need to quit whining about microsoft and started "pushing" the merits of linux. it's like a political mudslinging campaign. Nobody cares for it. grow up. my two cents
    Suspicious! (Score:1)
    by Kaht (orbitz~at~mail~dot~igormud~dot~org) on Saturday December 25, @10:38AM EST (#20)
    (User Info) http://www.satpal.tsx.org
    "Not being a Hotmail or regular Windows user for that matter, I cannot verify this - but I've gotten several e-mails from people this morning wondering about it." Hey, how'd they e-mail you if they can't access Hotmail?
    h3o - better than caffeine.
    Re:Suspicious! (Score:1)
    by ToiletDuk (toiletduk @ fishdot.org) on Saturday December 25, @10:47AM EST (#33)
    (User Info) http://www.fishdot.org
    One word: telepathy.
    www.fishdot.org: Home of the Furby Hooker Network
    Re:Suspicious! (Score:1)
    by pen (digdug@hotmail.com?subject=notspam:[subject]) on Saturday December 25, @11:09AM EST (#54)
    (User Info)
    I think the submissions sent to /submit.pl go to a mailbox.

    --
    Naur an edraith ammen!

    Re:Suspicious! (Score:2)
    by Rendus (rendus@rendus.penguinpowered.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:46AM EST (#83)
    (User Info)
    Nope, they go to a web interface where stories are put on hold, posted, or deleted. Sort of a holding chamber.

    As for e-mailing without having Hotmail available, damn near every ISP on earth gives you a free e-mail account, and I have probably 10 web-based ones as well...
    noobbies, poobies, emailies, and illitereracies (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:54AM EST (#86)
    You can't get "several e-mails" anymore than the postman can deliver "several mails". Mail is a mass noun, not a count noun. Letter is a count noun; so is message. Perhaps you'd care for one of those. Or "pieces of mail".

    And this whole e-craze is going to die away. It's marketing CRAP. People will drop the leading e- and simply use the regular words, allowing the context to provide understanding.

    Re:noobbies, poobies, emailies, and illitereracies (Score:1)
    by Kaht (orbitz~at~mail~dot~igormud~dot~org) on Saturday December 25, @06:25PM EST (#170)
    (User Info) http://www.satpal.tsx.org
    The "E" in E-mail has nothing to do with marketing... it was called that back when people were like "what's that box? a computer? what are you, a weirdo?"
    h3o - better than caffeine.
    It works only via Microsoft messenger (Score:2, Interesting)
    by segmond (segmond[at]hotmail[dot]com) on Saturday December 25, @10:38AM EST (#21)
    (User Info)
    I am in US, and going to http://www.hotmail.com doesn't work. But I notice that if I use Microsoft messenger, it works. Is this a move by Microsoft to force people to use their own IM?
    Hrmm.


    My reflection, dirty monitor, there is no connection, to the net.
    Passport (Score:0, Redundant)
    by dsussman on Saturday December 25, @10:42AM EST (#22)
    (User Info)
    This service interuption has happened before and probabbly will continue for some time to come. If for any reason, the login server that the users account information is stored on is unavailable (and those servers do not appear to be replicated) then you can't login. I do have hotmail.com, yahoo.com and netscape.com throwaway accounts and can get to HotMail today. The architecture behind Passport is not yet robust. Maybe never will be since it relies upon NT. Passport is part of Bill's attempt to gain enough market share to allow him to charge either a PI fee for the service or more likely become the credit card transaction processor. David
    Passport (Score:1)
    by dsussman on Saturday December 25, @10:42AM EST (#23)
    (User Info)
    This service interuption has happened before and probabbly will continue for some time to come. If for any reason, the login server that the users account information is stored on is unavailable (and those servers do not appear to be replicated) then you can't login.

    I do have hotmail.com, yahoo.com and netscape.com throwaway accounts and can get to HotMail today.

    The architecture behind Passport is not yet robust. Maybe never will be since it relies upon NT.

    Passport is part of Bill's attempt to gain enough market share to allow him to charge either a PI fee for the service or more likely become the credit card transaction processor.

    David
    Blocking netscape? (Score:1)
    by Skinka (mikko.kinnunen@cs.helsinki.fi?Subject=Slashdot) on Saturday December 25, @10:42AM EST (#24)
    (User Info)
    www.hotmail.com doesn't answer to pings, but I can get in using IE. Netscape gives me a "the ducument contains no data" error message. Mozilla M12 doesn't work either. Bug or not...?

    All mail in and out of hotmail seems to going through (thank god).

    Re:Blocking netscape? (Score:2)
    by Foogle (foogle@adelphia.net) on Saturday December 25, @11:13AM EST (#60)
    (User Info)
    The fact that it doesn't respond to pings is unremarkable. They may simply have the machine (or the firewall it's behind) blocking ICMP traffic. I set my companies firewall up that way.

    -----------

    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
    - They Might Be Giants

    Re:Blocking netscape? (Score:1)
    by moeller (moeller@dophnic.spamisevil.myip.org) on Saturday December 25, @12:53PM EST (#111)
    (User Info) http://dophnic.myip.org

    Please do not block all ICMP traffic. Blocking all ICMP messages does _not_ increase security (at least for some types of ICMPs), all it does is unnecessarily break things. You need to keep "no-fragment" ICMP messages intact (or encounter lack of communication with many rather large networks out there), and should keep "ICMP Destination unreachable" packets intact, unless you particularly enjoy long, pointless waits.

    However, blocking especially ICMP Redirect is usually ok, assuming there is nothing that needs it at your site. ICMP Echo may be disabled, if you don't want to let inside hosts find out if outside hosts are up, and the security benefits seem substantial enough for you.
    Stuff at dophnic: Writings, network, and irrelevant stuff.

    PASSPORT.COM went on hold for failure to pay (Score:1)
    by Hydrophobe on Saturday December 25, @10:44AM EST (#27)
    (User Info)

    The domain went on hold for failure to pay the domain registration renewal fee.

    Don't ask how I found out... don't want to give away info for domain speculators


    what! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @10:47AM EST (#32)
    I had no problem with Hotmail this morning. Then again who cares?
    Pine anyone? (Score:2, Informative)
    by musicmaker on Saturday December 25, @10:47AM EST (#34)
    (User Info) http://www.psynet.net/musicmaker
    Geez... I and thought that typing fetchmail followed by pine was easy enough. Webmail is so slow anyhow. I don't know why people bother. It's not any easier that configuring fetchmail and pine, which is probalby quicker than signing up for crappy webmail service, and the only limit on your mailbox size is your HD. Flipping web mail. Educate people so they can run their own MX if they want. Long live DSL! Long live Sendmail! It aint that hard, honest guv.
    Re:Pine anyone? (Score:1)
    by ilovelinux on Saturday December 25, @10:58AM EST (#43)
    (User Info)
    Pine is my favourite - simple, nice interface, my first experience eith email as well. I also run it through DSL and my inbox is like 200 megs right now. gotta love it.
    Re:Pine anyone? (Score:2)
    by Issue9mm (issue9mmAThotmailDOTnospamDOTcom) on Saturday December 25, @11:08AM EST (#52)
    (User Info) http://issue9mm.freeservers.com/
    Webmail has lots of features that fetchmail and pine do not...

    First of all, there are more web browsers installed across the globe than instances of fetchmail and pine.

    Secondly, for people who access email from a LOT of different locations (ie: me), like home, office, friends' homes, job locations, client locations, etc... it's a whole lot easier to be able to have your mail on the net, and not have to reconfigure every computer you're at... (a lot of my friends don't like that, and a lot of my clients AREN'T using *nix, pine, and fetchmail)

    Lastly (that I can think of at least), Travelling. It's quite easy to be able to check mail from any computer store with a net connection. Not so easy to carry your DSL modem around with ya is it? Also (last I checked) impossible to take the service with you.

    While POP3 may suit your needs better, there are lots of valid reasons why webmail makes sense to a lot of people, myself included.

    This brings me to an interesting question. What sort of retaliation do consumers have against Hotmail. They're flakiness has kind of, well, increased as of late. I got my hotmail account before MS bought em, and haven't bothered to switch email addresses... However, since the service is free, what kind of protection do we have. We are subjected to their banner ads, so, in a sense we are 'paying' for their service (The more they're down, the more we pay), tho it is essentially a free service... I dunno, obviously, we can't demand our money back???? Class action maybe?


    Don't like "Fir5t Po57 SucK45"? Check out the H4X0R'5 Guide To Slashdot.
    Re:Pine anyone? (Score:1)
    by Alrescha on Saturday December 25, @11:25AM EST (#70)
    (User Info)
    Pine may not be everywhere, but I can telnet/ssh into my machine from almost anywhere that I could use a web-based mail service - and I prefer my mail to be kept where only I can see it, thanks.

    A.
    Telnet (or ssh) (Score:1)
    by ph43drus (EATph43drus@WITHAhomeSPORK.com) on Saturday December 25, @01:06PM EST (#120)
    (User Info) http://24.5.73.229
    Here's what I do. I've got a cablemodem, and I've hooked myself up with Sendmail. However, I've also got a POP account, plus one sitting on a box down in California. I can check all three of these accounts from anywhere. I simply telnet or ssh (where I can get at it) to my box at home, and check the account set up there, and I can use Mutt (the mail reader that sucks less than all the others) to also get the mail from the pop server.

    The account down in Cali (which is my personal email account, and not posted here) is one that I have to reach by telnet/ssh.

    It's pretty nice, and I don't ever fsck with my friends settings. Sometimes Mutt renders poorly in a telnet window, but I've got pine as a back up (and since I can remember some simple keybindings, I can still grab the new mail off of the pop account, and then look at it through pine). Anyway, I'm satisfied with the setup.

    Jeff


    Wasting Time is an important part of living.

    get dhs.org (Score:1)
    by CrAlt (cralt@NOSPAM.hackme.dhs.org) on Saturday December 25, @09:17PM EST (#182)
    (User Info) http://hackme.dhs.org
    You should check out dhs.org and set up a address for your cablemodem. that way your website could be http://whateveryouwant.dhs.org and your email addy could be jeff@whateveryouwant.dhs.org. Much nicer then trying to remember a IP address. :)
    Re:Pine anyone? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @07:17PM EST (#178)
    Just use imap and use webmail, pine, outlook express, whatever :)
    Re:Pine anyone? (Score:2)
    by SoftwareJanitor (SoftwareJanitor@yahoo.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:59AM EST (#92)
    (User Info)
    Geez... I and thought that typing fetchmail followed by pine was easy enough.

    I use fetchmail, but I have never cared much for pine or elm (I use the good old fashioned command line mail reader). The other thing I use yahoo mail for occasionally is reading email when I am on vacation and happen to be able to find a kiosk with a web browser. I did that at EPCOT this spring when I was vacationing in Florida. Now that I have DSL I will probably set up my own webmail access on my local web server, but I haven't gotten around to that yet.

    Webmail is so slow anyhow. I don't know why people bother.

    I use yahoo mail mostly so I can have an email address that isn't so easily traceable directly to me like if I gave out my pop box at my ISP or an email address to one of my home boxes on DSL.

    It's not any easier that configuring fetchmail and pine, which is probalby quicker than signing up for crappy webmail service, and the only limit on your mailbox size is your HD.

    I've never had problems with filling up my yahoo mail box, then again, I don't use it for a lot of really important stuff.

    Flipping web mail. Educate people so they can run their own MX if they want. Long live DSL! Long live Sendmail! It aint that hard, honest guv.

    It's not easy/hard that is the deal for me. Web mail fills a certain set of niches that are different from what I use my local mail service for.


    Re:Pine anyone? (Score:1)
    by JamesKPolk (multivac @ fcmail.com) on Sunday December 26, @12:38AM EST (#193)
    (User Info)
    No, not everyone has the option of running their own mail servers.

    If I give out an email address, I'd like people to be able to send to it all day long, not just for the few hours a day my computer is part of the internet.

    Of course, even if the availability problem were solvable, there's still the DNS problem. dhs.org may be available, but how long until it goes the way of ml.org?
    Re:Pine anyone? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 30, @07:12PM EST (#269)
    Yes, but some people don't want the e-mail on their hard drive. Webmail makes an easy way to separate your e-mail and the viruses it may contain from your hard drive. Thus keeping your computer safer. Hope you have a very good virus scan and keep it up to date or maybe you just wipe and rebuild on a regular basis?
    Lynx works, IE and Nav do not (Score:1, Interesting)
    by MattMann on Saturday December 25, @10:47AM EST (#35)
    (User Info)
    I suspected some DNS or nameserver caching problem, but I don't think so now.

    • Netscape Navigator reports that it's unable to find lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    • Internet Exploder reports it is unable to connect to www.hotmail.com
    • lynx, the venerable, asks if I want to accept an invalid cookie, and then goes ahead and connects properly no matter which answer I give.

    BTW, my Netscape, coincidentally or not, went into hyperspace during my testing.

    Re:Lynx works, IE and Nav do not (Score:1)
    by Krimsen (krimsen@acm.org) on Saturday December 25, @11:03AM EST (#48)
    (User Info) http://www.3113.com
    I've noticed that sometimes Netscape will be unable to find a domain, and within the next 10 seconds it will crash. I thought it was specific to my machine, but I guess you experienced the same problem.
    It IS a DNS problem. (Score:2)
    by MattMann on Saturday December 25, @11:23AM EST (#68)
    (User Info)
    hey, moderate that back down again!! It is a DNS problem

    turns out that my lynx on the machine I run DNS on was not using itself for DNS

    It is a DNS problem for lookups on lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com

    So? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @10:52AM EST (#37)
    As you all like to mention, hotmail uses BSD. Since when does slashdot report failures of their own pet OS's? It wasn't that long ago that slashdot itself was down all the time. I don't remember seeing stories about it.
    Re:So? (Score:1)
    by Foogle (foogle@adelphia.net) on Saturday December 25, @11:14AM EST (#61)
    (User Info)
    Oh there were stories about it all the time... Wait, it was down at the time -- that must be why you didn't see them :)

    -----------

    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
    - They Might Be Giants

    Re:So? (Score:1)
    by Phroggy (slashdot@phroggy.com) on Saturday December 25, @12:54PM EST (#112)
    (User Info) http://phroggy.com/
    Ummmm, hello? This is not an OS issue. Whether they use WinNT or FreeBSD or Solaris, the problem is, they forgot to pay their $35 renewal fee to Network Solutions, and NSI turned it off.
    [An error occurred while processing this directive.]
    who cares! (Score:1)
    by ilovelinux on Saturday December 25, @10:53AM EST (#38)
    (User Info)
    It's Microsoft! Why would anyone reading this site (presumably a reasonably intelligent person) use a microsoft product when they can get better service from any number of free mail servers? Let Microsoft do themselves in - we don't need to help them. *snicker* Just my thoughts.
    A Long Long Time Ago... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 26, @03:01AM EST (#203)
    Some people got hotmail before Microsoft did, and are to well established to switch. I use my main Hotmail account for everything, and it would be hell to switch. On the other hand, this is pretty much hell, to.

    Screamin' through your Brain
    Whats my name?
    Zain.

    Hotmail isn't really down... (Score:0, Redundant)
    by pen (digdug@hotmail.com?subject=notspam:[subject]) on Saturday December 25, @10:53AM EST (#39)
    (User Info)
    Hotmail really isn't down, it's only that the domain name returns a bad address. If you really need to log in, save the following as an HTML file on your computer and open it with a browser. Should work with any javascript-enabled browser. Tested with Netscape, IE, and Opera. Needless to say, that this is very insecure, and you shouldn't leave this file lying around.

    ---cut here---



















    ---cut here---

    --
    Naur an edraith ammen!

    Moderators:lack of content (Score:1)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Saturday December 25, @10:57AM EST (#42)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    If there ever was a need for a "no content" choice in moderation, I think this post would fit the bill. :)
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf
    Re:Moderators:lack of content (Score:1)
    by pen (digdug@hotmail.com?subject=notspam:[subject]) on Saturday December 25, @12:32PM EST (#107)
    (User Info)
    Perhaps you didn't read my second post that explained how Slashdot messed up my HTML formatting?

    --
    Naur an edraith ammen!

    Hotmail isn't really down... (Score:4, Informative)
    by pen (digdug@hotmail.com?subject=notspam:[subject]) on Saturday December 25, @10:55AM EST (#41)
    (User Info)
    (Sorry, not my fault. Slashdot messed up and converted & lt; to the less than sign.)

    Hotmail really isn't down, it's only that the domain name returns a bad address. If you really need to log in, save the following as an HTML file on your computer and open it with a browser. Should work with any javascript-enabled browser. Tested with Netscape, IE, and Opera. Needless to say, that this is very insecure, and you shouldn't leave this file lying around.

    ---cut here---


    <html>
    <head>
    <noscript>
    <meta http-equiv=Refresh content="0; url=http://www.hotmail.com">
    </noscript>
    </head>

    <body onload="document.pform.submit(); ">
    <form name="pform" action="http://www.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/dologin" method="POST">

    <input type="hidden" name="login" value="[yourlogin]">
    <input type="hidden" name="passwd" value="[yourpass]">
    <input type="hidden" name="rru" value="/cgi-bin/folders">
    <input type="hidden" name="js" value="yes">
    </form>
    </body>
    </html>

    ---cut here---

    --
    Naur an edraith ammen!

    Re:Hotmail isn't really down... (Score:1)
    by pen (digdug@hotmail.com?subject=notspam:[subject]) on Saturday December 25, @11:13AM EST (#59)
    (User Info)
    Oh yeah, you can also log in by just clicking here.

    --
    Naur an edraith ammen!

    Re:Hotmail isn't really down... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @04:49PM EST (#154)
    I tried the code and the link... still didn't work any other options?
    my hero! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @12:24PM EST (#104)
    KICK ASS! thanks so much. this is the first i've been able to check my email in 3 days.
    excellent stuff (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @04:59PM EST (#156)
    You, sir, are truly a '1337 h0tm411 h4x0r. Thanks for posting that.
    Re:Hotmail isn't really down... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @06:38PM EST (#172)
    How about not storing your login and password on your machine and not use any script:

    <html>
    <body>
    <form action="http://www.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/dologin" method="POST">
    Hotmail Login <input type="text" name="login"><br>
    Password <input type="password" name="passwd"><br>
    <input type="hidden" name="rru" value="/cgi-bin/folders">
    <input type="hidden" name="js" value="yes">
    <input type="submit" value="Login">
    </form>
    </body>
    </html>

    Merry Xmas from microsoft (Score:1)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Saturday December 25, @10:59AM EST (#45)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    enjoy the outage!
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf
    dumb quotes (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:00AM EST (#46)
    Ahh... those dumb quotes again! How nice when companies invent their own character set...

    Microsoft Passport consists of two services: a ?single sign-in? service that allows you to use a single name and password at a growing number of participating Web sites, and a ?wallet? service that you can use to make fast online purchases. It?s easy. There?s only one name and password to remember, and after you sign in to one participating site, you can sign in to others with just one click. It?s fast. You can store information about yourself in your Passport profile and wallet, so you won?t have to retype it when you visit or make online purchases at participating sites. It?s secure. Your personal information is protected by powerful encryption technology and strict privacy policies, and you?re always in control over which sites have access to it-including your e-mail and mailing addresses. And, when you sign out, all of your Passport-related personal information is deleted from the computer, which means it?s safe to use on public or shared computers.

    Please stop making up stories (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:01AM EST (#47)
    hotmail.com works fine.
    passport works fine.
    MSN-M works fine.


    Re:Please stop making up stories (Score:2)
    by Foogle (foogle@adelphia.net) on Saturday December 25, @11:17AM EST (#64)
    (User Info)
    It's a double-conspiracy! Slashdot is working to make FreeBSD look bad, so that Linux and NT look good. That way, when Andover releases their new hybrid Andoverix NT operating system, based on the Linux-kernel and the NT blue-screen it will be lovingly accepted by the awaiting public... Or maybe not.

    -----------

    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
    - They Might Be Giants

    Re:Please stop making up stories (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:27AM EST (#71)
    You know what? It's actually gotten to the point where I wouldn't put it past some of the zealots that post here.
    It's for real, not a story (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:28AM EST (#73)
    Dude,

    As of Christmas morning, passport.com is not in the root servers.

    The only reason you can still access it (and for what it's worth, I can still access it too) is because the old record is still cached in your DNS name server.

    Major screwup. You'll be reading about it in wired.com or news.com, maybe you'll believe it then.

    Hotmail still down.... (Score:4, Informative)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:04AM EST (#50)
    I just wanted to let you folks know, that www.hotmail.com (Microsoft) is down, because Microsoft didn't pay a $35 bill to Network Solutions. Hotmail uses "passport" services that reside within microsoft's "passport.com", which is no longer resolving from the Internet Root Servers, because of non-bill pay. Proof of this glitch can be found by going to https://payments.networksolutions.com/ and typing in "passport.com". It seems Amount Due is Amount Due, and even the big guys can't get away without paying their bills.
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:10AM EST (#56)
    proof please
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:29AM EST (#74)
    The creation date of the DNS record for passport.com is October 2 or 3 of 1996. That means payment for renewal is due in October. M$ has a $35 balance on their account...thus they did not pay.
    Why Hotmail Is Down (Score:2)
    by Carnage4Life on Saturday December 25, @11:31AM EST (#76)
    (User Info) http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Byte/2764/
    Sorry to say this but I can't help it... Are you an idiot or just lazy?

    The post you responded to not only has a URL to go to, but instructions on how to check the facts yourself.
    Maybe you need it to be hyperlinked to make it easier for you so you don't have to strain yourself with cutting and pasting the URL into your browser.
    Click here and type passport.com. It will show that there is a $35 fee due on the domain name. Twit.

    What I really wanted for Christmas
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:40AM EST (#81)
    Heh your right! I just checked this myself. Check your own domain, it's fine. check passport.com, $35 bucks due :-)
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:2, Interesting)
    by aenea (slashdot at aenea.org) on Saturday December 25, @11:42AM EST (#82)
    (User Info)
    Well. NSI does not have the best record for actually getting out bills lately. I have two domains at work that were up for renewal in October. In September, I got the "watch for our bill in the mail" emails from NSI. So I did. Nothing came. Waited. On one day I got four bills. None of the them were for the two domains that were expiring. They were for four completley unrelated domains that didn't belong to us, but somehow had my contact information on the bill. I checked whois on the 4 domains and our 2 domains and everything looked OK. Called NSI. "Oh yes", they say, "we're having billing problems. Everything will be straightened out. You won't be cut off." So we get the service clone's name and wait. Over the next month we get three more bills for domains we don't own. Finally, six weeks after the domain expired, we get a bill, but it's not a normal bill, it's a "pay now or you're cut off bill" and the cutoff date is two days before the bill was mailed. More phone calls. Everything was eventualy straightened out, but now one of my tasks for the coming year is to see if it's possible to move existing domains to a new registrar. Anyone know if you can?
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:5, Funny)
    by Trailer Trash (mdchaney@michaelchaney.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:58AM EST (#90)
    (User Info) http://www.doublewide.net/
    Hey, I paid it for them. Merry Christmas, Microsoft.

    ----
    Your transaction was successful. Payment has been posted for the domain.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Details of your transaction are given below. You may print this page for future reference.

    Card Type: MASTERCARD
    Card Number: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Amount Charged (USD): 35.00
    Approval Code: A 00 074598 MCCJ5QTM5 12250001 Y Y

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    List of Domains
    Count Domain Name Invoice Number Amount Due
    1 passport.com 11395965 35.00



    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Thank you for using the On-Line Payment System. If you wish to pay for another domain, click on the Start button. If you have completed your transactions, click on Quit to exit the system and visit the Network Solutions Home Page.
    Re:Squat it! (Score:1)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Saturday December 25, @12:11PM EST (#96)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    I would bill microsoft a huuuuuge amount (for working a holiday) get a hold of the media, and explain how is MS doesn't pay your invoice, you will stop payment on the 35.00 domain fee and render hotmail broken again.

    Now that you've payed it, Squat it!
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf

    Re:Squat it! (Score:1)
    by AussiePenguin (jeremyl at vicnet dot net dot australia) on Sunday December 26, @04:08AM EST (#208)
    (User Info) http://www.linuxfreak.com/~jeremy
    I'd charge at least several hundred grand for that!!! But I'd at least make sure that I get my $35 back... if they didn't pay that back then I'd get the media onto them for that!! And when the hand over the money tell them to port Microsoft Office to Linux so that I can get my dad to use Linux!!!

    AussiePenguin
    Melbourne, Australia
    ICQ 19255837

    That's not the spirit of Christmas (Score:1)
    by EyesOfNostradamus on Sunday December 26, @04:40PM EST (#238)
    (User Info)
    This was a gift, not an investment.

    Btw, this incident reminds me of that story of Bill Gates' grocery coupon:
    At the checkout line, Bill Gates started nervously searching his wallets, his pockets, for a rebate coupon of 50 cents that he though he had with him. But alas, he couldn't find it. In the meantime, a huge queue built up behind him. But he continued searching, until somebody waiting in the queue behind him just tossed him two quarters...

    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:1)
    by Macros73 on Saturday December 25, @12:12PM EST (#98)
    (User Info)
    Oh, man. That has got to be THE single funniest
    thing I've seen this month. Perhaps that says a little too much about my social life..

    But damn, THAT is hilarious. I can see the
    headlines now:

    "Generous Linux user pays past-due Microsoft
    domain fees."

    Maybe they'll send you a complimentary copy of
    Microsoft Bob.
    Re:"Linux user pays past-due Microsoft bill" (Score:4, Interesting)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Saturday December 25, @12:16PM EST (#101)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    This message is for "Trailer Trash".

    If you've indeed payed the bill, I beg you, please get a hold of someone in the media. This could be such a fantastic headline. and be sure to refer to yourself as a linux user. please please. If you really payed it. use the publicity.
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf

    Re:"Linux user pays past-due Microsoft bill" (Score:1)
    by Trailer Trash (mdchaney@michaelchaney.com) on Saturday December 25, @12:57PM EST (#114)
    (User Info) http://www.doublewide.net/
    I have no idea what will come of it. But I assure you, Linux is my bread and butter, and as such, it will be mentioned wherever possible.
    Re:"Linux user pays past-due Microsoft bill" (Score:1)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Saturday December 25, @01:02PM EST (#118)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    Would you mind if I conteacted a few friends in the media regarding this touching holiday tech story?
    awaiting your response
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf
    Re:"Linux user pays past-due Microsoft bill" (Score:1)
    by Trailer Trash (mdchaney@michaelchaney.com) on Saturday December 25, @01:23PM EST (#123)
    (User Info) http://www.doublewide.net/

    Would you mind if I conteacted a few friends in the media regarding this touching holiday tech story? awaiting your response

    Sure, that'd be cool. This is actually kind of fun.


    Re:"Linux user pays past-due Microsoft bill" (Score:2)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Saturday December 25, @06:51PM EST (#174)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    Update:7:45PMCST
    I just got off the phone with a reported from the merc news. I filled him in on the details of the story and put him in contact with Michael Chaney to confirm the details.

    If all goes well, this will be a breaking story on GMSV tomarrow.

    and remember, you heard it on /. first!!
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf

    Re:"Linux user pays past-due Microsoft bill" (Score:4, Informative)
    by Trailer Trash (mdchaney@michaelchaney.com) on Saturday December 25, @08:24PM EST (#180)
    (User Info) http://www.doublewide.net/
    Hey, I spoke with the reporter about two hours ago- at 6:30PM CST. My guess is that we'll be hearing more about this, and I'll keep the /. crowd updated.
    Re:"Linux user pays past-due Microsoft bill" (Score:1)
    by My_Favorite_Anonymou on Monday December 27, @12:33AM EST (#244)
    (User Info) http://thebigsleep.homepage.com
    Up to this point I still can't believe this is a real story.


    CY
    Re:"Linux user pays past-due Microsoft bill" (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 27, @03:15PM EST (#249)
    forwarded this story (& links) to www.theregister.co.uk news editor... they should love it...
    Re:"Linux user pays past-due Microsoft bill" (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 26, @10:44AM EST (#220)
    This is classic stuff. I work for USATODAY.com and have forwarded to our tech editor.
    Re:"Linux user pays past-due Microsoft bill" (Score:1)
    by LocalH (localh@SPAMSUXintermediatn.SPAMSUXnet) on Tuesday December 28, @09:17PM EST (#258)
    (User Info) http://users.intermediatn.net/localh
    I work at the local ABC station in Kingsport, Tennessee, and I might just pass this on to the newsroom (dunno if they'd do anything with it, but still...). This sounds cool as hell, a Microsoft key web site fixed by a Linux user who has no relation to the company whatsoever...
    _______
    Scott Jones
    Newscast Director / ABC19 WKPT
    Game Show Fan / C64 Coder
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:1)
    by zyklone (zyklone@hotmail.com) on Saturday December 25, @12:41PM EST (#108)
    (User Info)
    Great. I don't think you can do much fun with it though since even if you pay for the domain you can't do any changes to it.

    Contacting a few news people might be a good idea though. passport.com is the place where m$ wants you to handle all your online shopping so perhaps they should make sure they actually pay for the domain themselves ...

    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:2, Interesting)
    by Trailer Trash (mdchaney@michaelchaney.com) on Saturday December 25, @02:45PM EST (#137)
    (User Info) http://www.doublewide.net/
    I don't own it, I just paid for it. And even though I have the "receipt" screen here, someone at Microsoft probably received an mail thanking them for the payment.

    This might be interesting when everybody gets back from the holiday break.


    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:2)
    by cabbey (cabbey is at home now) on Sunday December 26, @02:44PM EST (#232)
    (User Info) http://members.home.com/cabbey/
    According to whois the person at Micros~1 who will receive that email is Carolyn Gudmundson, assuming she still works for bill after this... he is known for a very low tolerance of mistakes after all....


    Registrant:
    Microsoft Corporation (PASSPORT6-DOM)
    One Microsoft Way
    Redmond, WA 98052-6399
    US

    Domain Name: PASSPORT.COM

    Administrative Contact:
    Micosoft Hostmaster (MH37-ORG) msnhst@MICROSOFT.COM
    425 882 8080
    Fax- - .: 206 703 2641

    Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
    MSN NOC (MN5-ORG) msnnoc@MICROSOFT.COM
    425 882 8080
    Fax- PATH

    Billing Contact:
    Gudmundson, Carolyn (CG6635) carolyng@MICROSOFT.COM
    +1 (425) 882-8080 (FAX) +1 (425) 936-7329


    Record last updated on 25-Dec-1999.
    Record created on 02-Oct-1996.
    Database last updated on 26-Dec-1999 13:38:06 EST.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    DNS4.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.11
    DNS5.CP.MSFT.NET 207.46.138.12


    And if you go look.. (Score:2, Interesting)
    by ph43drus (EATph43drus@WITHAhomeSPORK.com) on Saturday December 25, @01:27PM EST (#125)
    (User Info) http://24.5.73.229
    at this and check passport.com... the payment really did clear.. hehheh...

    Jeff


    Wasting Time is an important part of living.

    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:1)
    by platypus on Saturday December 25, @03:04PM EST (#140)
    (User Info)
    This is sooo cool, gratulations.
    Hey hemos and friends, how about an update to the front story?
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:1)
    by batmans_byte on Sunday December 26, @06:44AM EST (#211)
    (User Info)
    HI -- Thanks for doing this -- I've been using Hotmail from FreeNet computers since before it was owned by Microsoft -- I really appreciated it then, and I'm sure others do now. Kirk B.
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:1)
    by cybertank on Sunday December 26, @10:14AM EST (#218)
    (User Info)
    What does microsoft have to say about this registration? Its so cool, you definitely need to post their response. How about changing the registered servers for passport.com to point to linux.org?? :} cybertank
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:1)
    by Ineversaidthat on Sunday December 26, @07:43PM EST (#242)
    (User Info)
    Michael:
    Here I am sitting on 5 fresh moderator points and I can't crank this up beyond where it already is. Damn! That was a truly cool thing you did for the users. If M$ doesn't backfill your coffers, I have to believe the community will. The PR you
    just generated is priceless!

    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 27, @01:45AM EST (#245)
    Well the spammers are a happy lot with the $35 payment as Hotmail [as can be attested to by many users] is the Great Spam Conduit of the Internet. Merry Christmas Spammers.
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:1)
    by Nohbody (nohbody@radparker.com) on Sunday January 02, @10:43PM EST (#273)
    (User Info)
    (Sorry if the lateness of the reply contributes to the proverbial beating of a dead horse, folks... my Winshit box died, and I've been knocking heads with it since the 26th due to time constraints.)

    >Well the spammers are a happy lot with the $35 payment as Hotmail [as can be attested to by many
    >users] is the Great Spam Conduit of the Internet. Merry Christmas Spammers.

    Actually, the domain doesn't even need to exist for spammers to use it. Anyone remember ybecker.(net|com), before it was registered by FREE (Forum for Responsible and Ethical E-mail, for those who may not know)? Or public.com, which is pretty much a dead domain as far as e-mail is concerned (due to "friend@public.com" forged into the From: header)? Paying for passport.com's registration fee doesn't really effect how often Hotmail is used in a spam run.

    Besides, have you actually *used* the HM interface for sending mail? It's an exercise in masochism, even when sending one individual mail, let alone the zillions required to make a spam run worth it (to the spammers, anyhow). Even for the spammers stupid enough to use the HM servers directly, it's practically like painting a bull's eye on their back, thanks to the X-Originating-IP header inserted by Hotmail's servers.

    Dan "I don't use M$ products because I like them, but because I need to" Poore
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:1)
    by SpyderOnTheWeb on Wednesday December 29, @03:25AM EST (#260)
    (User Info)
    That is funny, extremely funny, once agian proving that microsoft doesn't care about its customers. Do any of you HotMail or Yahoo Mail users get tired of all the spam mail? Thats why I set up a web based email account with http://newmail.net I havent recieved any spam mail there, not to say its impossible, but I havent yet [G]

    Also you can access your newmail.net email account from anywhere, including POP3 access, and Newmail never hassles you, all you get from them is your welcome message. You don't even get hassled for too much email storage!!!

    But hey, keep talking to the press, I would like to hear about it on the news [G] and I find it hard to believe anyone will shed a single tear for Microsoft [G]
    Re:Hotmail still down.... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 01, @02:28PM EST (#270)
    [ Yes, I'm an anonymous coward! My email address gets around enough for anti-spam efforts. ]

    With the domain name check in hand, perhaps you can use it as leverage to encourage Hotmail and Passport to act firmly against spammers? They have been apparently using MAPS for blocking spam, but their own policies have been so poor that they are facing being put on that list of spam sites.

    Perhaps you can use this to get the name of the person to convince them to handle things correctly?
    Your mom (Score:1)
    by uninerd on Saturday December 25, @11:15AM EST (#62)
    (User Info)
    Hey, i use yourmom.com mail- http://www.yourmom.com and it is working fine! I keep accounts on netscape webmail- always takes a long time to load, but always does-- and yahoo (i've been very happy with it) Also- i've noticed that for the past month or two hotmail has just sucked! mail me (It's my junkmail box anyway)
    You Can Still Access Your Email (Score:2)
    by Carnage4Life on Saturday December 25, @11:22AM EST (#67)
    (User Info) http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Byte/2764/
    If you have IE 5.0, open Outlook Express and go to the Tools menu and select the Accounts... option. Add your hotmail account and voila... You've got mail. Use the Send and Receive option on the Tools menu to download/send mail. I've been using that exclusively to send mail for so long I had totally forgotten that hotmail has a web address.

    Merry Xmas. Hope that I was of help.
    PS: Does anyone know if slashdot cause this?

    What I really wanted for Christmas
    Easier way (Score:1)
    by NtG (ntg@armory.com) on Sunday December 26, @01:44AM EST (#200)
    (User Info)
    I could still resolve the addresses via:

    lcX.lawX.hotmail.com

    Just resolve the addresses, eg. lc3.law5.hotmail.com is 216.33.151.7

    Then put in your /etc/hosts file:
    216.33.151.7 lc3.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    works from New York / free email providers (Score:1)
    by jij (foofner@parisoffice.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:23AM EST (#69)
    (User Info)
    Just tried www.hotmail.com at 12:20pm EST, works fine. I also did a DNS look-up and whois, also fine.


    Best free email I've used is SoftHome. Very reliable and fast. I found it at www.emailaddresses.com. Check it out.

    Alternative (Score:2)
    by nuintari (deathstrike@NOerg-madSPAM.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:27AM EST (#72)
    (User Info) http://erg-mad.com
    A few people have asked abpout alternatives, well, I get my web hosting from some nice Linux geeks over at DreamHost. Well, they let us switch our email provider over to a custom provider, one of which is Big MailBox. I haven't used it, but I have a friend who runs his collage radio station's web page with DreamHost and the email with this Big MailBox deal, and he raves about it. Hope this is useful, I hate webmail, so I have never paid it much heed.
    Re:Alternative (Score:1)
    by elthia (elthia@killspam.somecrazydame.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:56AM EST (#88)
    (User Info)
    Heh, Big Mailbox is, I believe, the one which hosts my friend's somecrazydame.com domain. In other words, it's what my /.-public email addy is on. Never had a problem with it. ;)

    -Elthia
    eggs expand in the microwave. Like balloons.
    Changed or munged names? (Score:1)
    by vovin on Saturday December 25, @11:32AM EST (#78)
    (User Info) http://shaun.tancheff.com (Needs Update)
    (FWIW: I'm sure primenet's DNS has been used by ppl w/hotmail accounts and mercenary probably hasn't)

    $ nslookup lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    Server: dns2.primenet.net
    Address: 206.165.50.10

    Name: lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    Address: 209.185.243.135

    $ nslookup lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com mercenary.vntech.com
    Server: mercenary.vntech.com
    Address: 206.147.237.3

    *** mercenary.vntech.com can't find lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com: Non-existent host/domain
    $ nslookup 209.185.243.135
    Server: dns2.primenet.net
    Address: 206.165.50.10

    Name: lc2.law5.hotmail.com
    Address: 209.185.243.135

    $ nslookup 209.185.243.135 mercenary.vntech.com
    Server: mercenary.vntech.com
    Address: 206.147.237.3

    Name: lc2.law5.hotmail.com
    Address: 209.185.243.135

    --
    So hotmail.com -> hotmail.passport.com, somebody did a change all and everything didn't timeout yet? The reverse? Why not just alias (CNAME) all
    the machines for a smooth transition?

    Straight from the source... (Score:2, Funny)
    by Bill-Gates on Saturday December 25, @11:35AM EST (#80)
    (User Info)
    Well, you want to know the truth??? You can't handle the truth...

    I hope all of you Linux-loving, Windows-hating, console-using, hackers are happy. I've run out of money, and can't afford the passport domain any longer at this time.

    You may wonder why the richest man in the world can't afford it right??? Well, you remember that email I sent out regarding our email tracking software??? Well, needless to say, more people actually believed it than I thought would. It actually got onto our Hotmail servers, and seemed to take a life of its own from there. Nobody had to forward it, it just 'spread'.

    Anyway, after having paid out to all recipients and forwarders of the email, I'm a little short. It seemed like such a good idea at the time.

    Oh well, if nothing else, this is a great excuse to finally scrap those blasted BSD servers, and put in Windows 2000 Premium. You thought service was bad now??? Muwaahahahahahahaaaa........

    This is not the last of me...

    Sincerely,
    Bill Gates
    Windows 2000 Premium? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @12:00PM EST (#93)
    What the hell is that?
    Re:Windows 2000 Premium? (Score:1)
    by Rakarra (rakNarraO@SpacbPellA.Mnet) on Sunday December 26, @03:59AM EST (#207)
    (User Info)
    What the hell is that?

    It's like Windows 2000 Unleaded, but it runs a little smoother and is somewhat more expensive...


    Take the NOSPAM out of my address if you're responding by mail..

    MH - mail hander of the gods (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:51AM EST (#85)
    Real programmers use MH. It is completely pluggable. Once you've used it, you can't understand why anyone would ever go back to a more primitive and useless system. You end up writing little script plugins to enhance and extend and configure everything you can dream of. It's wonderful.
    Yes, it has been down (Score:1)
    by Oscarfish (webmaster@spamoscarfish.com) on Saturday December 25, @11:57AM EST (#89)
    (User Info) http://www.oscarfish.com/
    I use Hotmail for two "drop box" junk/spam bait addresses. As if it hasn't been cracked or stupified or muliplied enough this year...oh well.

    You get what you pay for, I guess, but I figure I've been paying quite a bit in time waiting for those dang lc* subdomains to resolve :)

    The whole passport thing sounds iffy, too...

    ----------------

    A huge tropical fish...live...http://www.oscarfish.com/livecam/

    Whois shows domain "updated" on 23rd (Score:1)
    by psychos on Saturday December 25, @11:58AM EST (#91)
    (User Info)
    Every time I've seen a domain go on hold, the updated time gets changed. This domain was updated on the 23rd, and as other people have noted, you can see that there is $35 due on Network Solutions' online payment page. This makes it seem fairly certain that Microsoft just forgot to pay.

    The root server updates aren't in synch with the whois updates, which explains why it didn't disappear from the root servers until later.

    Registrant:
    Microsoft Corporation (PASSPORT6-DOM)
    One Microsoft Way
    Redmond, WA 98052-6399
    US

    Domain Name: PASSPORT.COM
    ...
    Record last updated on 23-Dec-1999.
    Record created on 02-Oct-1996.

    And from nslookup:
    > server a.root-servers.net
    > passport.com.
    Server: a.root-servers.net
    Address: 198.41.0.4

    *** a.root-servers.net can't find passport.com.: Non-existent host/domain
    Webmail... the future of mail ? :/ (Score:3, Interesting)
    by Maïdjeurtam (Stephane.Rieppi@advalvas.be) on Saturday December 25, @12:09PM EST (#95)
    (User Info) http://tonton.potaulait.be
    Hotmail is down and everyone in the world seems to be annoyed. I think it's quite sad that slowly but surely, webmail replaces pop3/imap mail.

    Five years ago, when I began using the Internet, only pop3 mail was available. These pop3 accounts were quite costy, but they worked. My university "gave" me my first pop3 mail for free, though.

    Then, several companies began to give pop3 accounts for free, in exchange of some data for their files. They were slightly slower than those costy accounts (the bandwith was very weak), but, hey... that was free.

    Then came Hotmail & Co. Banners, ads, mail stored only on the servers, poor functionality (filters, and all 'advanced' functions of any pop3 mail client are missing). But above all, a phenomenal waste of bandwith due to the ads, the fact that everytime you want to consult a mail or your address book, the data must be reloaded, etc. I hate wasting bandwith. I hate when my mother checks her webmail on my computer ! ;)
    With pop3 mail, sending a mail takes 3 or 4 KB for the entire process. How many KB does it take with webmail ?

    Now, it's more or less impossible to find free pop3 accounts. Even Internet access provider begin to give webmail instead of real mail to their customers. Does it mean that, in a few years, every mail account will be a webmail account ?

    P.S. : I can't understand why so many people believe that webmail is easier to use than pop3/imap mail. When traveling, it's so easy to use a simple telnet (every dumb Win95+ machine has a telnet client which works well with pine) or, even easier, a web gateway like Endymion MailMan. Same layout than hotmail, without the ads !

    Stéphane
    why web mail (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @12:28PM EST (#106)
    I use web mail because my I can't telnet into my pop3 account due to firewall restrictions. It's really lame but it's the only choice I've got. I know a lot of people are working on webmail interefaces into pop3 accounts that way you get the best of both worlds.
    Re:why web mail (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @10:47PM EST (#188)
    Mail.com has a service called webmail which allows you to do just this. Just put in your pophost and id and it lets you pop your mail from the web. The service can be found, suprisingly enough, at www.webmail.com
    Re:Webmail... the future of mail ? :/ (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @01:21PM EST (#122)
    just to comment, i get free pop mail @ hotpop.com =)
    Re:Webmail... the future of mail ? :/ (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @01:24PM EST (#124)
    Web mail really is much easier than telneting into your system. First of all I need to remember my IP, second of all I need to learn a whole new program to check my mail remotely, third of all I need to make sure I have access to telnet. I've seen Internet cafés that don't let you use telnet. Over all, why would I waste my time setting up all this when a free mail service works right now with no extra effort on my part?

    Why must UNIX folk always try to reinvent the wheel? Fee mail works. I trained my eyes long ago to not look at banner ads. Matter of fact, the only banner ad I can even remember is the one with the monkey and the tree. I like that one.

    Re:Webmail... the future of mail ? :/ (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @01:31PM EST (#126)
    'Tisn't Unix folks who reinvent the wheel, but rather you Winkiddies. And why do you Winvictims keep making simple things hard?
    Uh, no. Un*x is hard, Windows is not. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @03:59PM EST (#145)
    Typing "www.hotmail.com" is a whole lot easier than jacking around with telnet, pine, and whatever else you have to do under Un*x. That is why Bill Gates is rich, and Ken Thompson isn't.

    Mark this as troll/flamebait/whatever turns you on, but remember... denial is not a river in Egypt.
    Re:Uh, no. Un*x is hard, Windows is not. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @04:09PM EST (#149)
    Typing "www.hotmail.com" is a whole lot easier than jacking around with telnet, pine, and whatever else you have to do under Un*x.
    And tapping your foot is a whole lot easier than playing a Beethoven sonata, too. But infinitely less satisfying.
    Re:Uh, no. Un*x is hard, Windows is not. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @06:04PM EST (#165)
    Although the Un*x priesthood may disagree, IMHO I should not have to play a Beethoven sonata every time I want to check my mail.
    Re:Uh, no. Un*x is hard, Windows is not. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @07:00PM EST (#175)
    s/have(?= want to play)/get/
    Re:Uh, no. Un*x is hard, Windows is not. (Score:1)
    by anonymous cowerd (WKiernan@concentric.net) on Sunday December 26, @10:24AM EST (#219)
    (User Info) http://www.concentric.net/~Wkiernan/index.html

    I check my mail on my pop3 account from Netscape inside Linux 2.2 by clicking on a little "button" in the lower right hand corner of the screen with my mouse. This is even easier, I think, than typing in those eleven or so characters; it is even one or two mouse clicks fewer than pulling down the "bookmarks" menu and picking Hotmail off it.

    Just think of all the effort I save! If I check my mail twice a day for the next ten years, I'll have freed up enough time to download one more centerfold picture from alt.mag.playboy. Maybe even two more pictures.

    Yours WDK - WKiernan@concentric.net

    Does you girlfriend have a GUI interface? (Score:1)
    by Rares Marian (rmarian@winblowsstart.com) on Sunday December 26, @11:17AM EST (#222)
    (User Info)
    Go doubleclick on your girlfriend's lips the next time you're on a date. And when she gives you choices, totally ignore her and whine about why you have to lift a finger before getting down to business.

    Now you're going to tell me a GUI is easier than an interface that mimmicks human interaction: the command line?

    Repeat after me, Bill Gates did not invent the computer. Bill Gates did not invent the computer. come on now you can do it. Bill Gates makes money the same way, any salesman does, ripping off people with gimmicks.

    Oh and By the way, it's **n*x not Un*x.


    Petrified Iron Clad solution: Rob, Jeff - Create the /. API that let's us parse titles and content in articles
    newbie, what do you think a mail client is for??? (Score:1)
    by BluSkreen on Sunday December 26, @02:12AM EST (#201)
    (User Info)
    Checking mail under Win, *nix or Mac isn't hard with a mail client. God knows there are SEVERAL!! It's got nothing to do with telnet or IP addresses.

    Get some facts before you spout.........

    Dave
    On The Other Hand... (Score:2)
    by Sloppy (sloppy@spam^H^H^H^Hrt66.com) on Saturday December 25, @09:13PM EST (#181)
    (User Info)

    "Always on" static internet connections, like cable modems and DSL are on the increase. Running your own SMTP server at home is becoming a more viable option for a lot of people.


    ---
    Have a Sloppy night!
    Re:On The Other Hand... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @10:14PM EST (#185)
    I don't think I've been disconnected for about seven years.
    Re:Webmail... the future of mail ? :/ (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 28, @11:14AM EST (#255)
    Telnet? Go explain to my barely techno-literate Grandmother how to use it. Until then, she'll stick with Hotmail and its web interface.
    TO those able to access Hotmail, MSN, etc. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @12:26PM EST (#105)
    Chances are the IPs for those sites have been cached my your ISP. Just because you can access it doesn't mean the DNS server isn't down.
    Can't verify it? Why not? (Score:1)
    by Juln (juln @ netscape . net) on Saturday December 25, @12:57PM EST (#113)
    (User Info)
    Well, he could have tried typing in www.hotmail.com to his browser.... you don't have to be a windows or hotmail user to do that.
    When i tried, it does indeed get redirected to lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com and claim that it can't be found.

    Juln
    receiving? (Score:1)
    by jazzman45 on Saturday December 25, @12:58PM EST (#115)
    (User Info) http://www.savvysasquatch.com
    hey! does this mean that all e-mails sent to me are being trashed?

    two things may arise from this:
    1) lose the christmas letters sent from all the nice ladies...and the all the devel lists i'm signed up for...

    2) won't have to sift through the junk that i would've got

    bye,
    -jimbo

    www.savvysasquatch.com --page sucks, don't visit it
    Generous Linux user pays past-due domain fee (Score:2)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Saturday December 25, @12:59PM EST (#117)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    Michael Chaney (of http://www.doublewide.net/) has payed the late 35.00 domain fee for micros~1. Join me in congradulating Michael for his generosity and charity in this holiday season.

    Also earge(mailto:mdchaney@doublewide.net) Michael to contact someone in the media regarding this story. It would make a wonderful headline.

    "Generous Linux user pays past-due domain fee"
    "Bill Gates recieves charity from generous Linux user"
    "Worlds richest man doesn't pay his bills"
    ..the list goes on. .
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf

    Generous Linux user loses $35 to organized crime (Score:2, Informative)
    by pp on Saturday December 25, @04:33PM EST (#152)
    (User Info)

    NSI probably just lost MSFT's original payment. They've done it before. Been there, done that, didn't have any fun and I bet I'm not the only one.

    Neat gesture, though, and it's probably the fastest way of dealing with this kind of problems with NSI. Almost as fast as sending 20 $100/minute lawyers to their head office.

    Thank god there's competition in the registration business these days... I hope microsoft sue the clothes off from them (after which everyone can do the same to microsoft. Excluding Bill, that would be just too disgusting to see)


    Re:Generous Linux user pays past-due domain fee (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @05:12PM EST (#158)
    man what an idiot. why did he pay the fee ? Stupid moron.
    Think of the Press Release on this one... (Score:1)
    by ph43drus (EATph43drus@WITHAhomeSPORK.com) on Sunday December 26, @01:01AM EST (#196)
    (User Info) http://24.5.73.229
    This is going to make for one hilarious PR stunt for the Linux community (not to mention make us look good..). Anyway, I'm guessing just for the gag value, at least originally.

    Jeff


    Wasting Time is an important part of living.

    Re:Posible headlines (Score:2)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Sunday December 26, @07:48AM EST (#212)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    Generous Linux user pays past due Microsoft Bill
    World richest man doesn't pay his bills
    The Geek who saved christmas
    Microsoft lets Passport.com registration expire
    Bill Gates is such a twit
    (has nothering to do with the story
    but i'de like to see it anyway)
    Microsoft sold your Ewallet for $35.00
    NSI blips off Microsoft
    Bill Gates get charity from Linux in christmas
    Microsoft lets passport.com expire.

    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf
    Why no mention of Workspot? (Score:1)
    by Runna^Muck on Saturday December 25, @01:05PM EST (#119)
    (User Info)
    I haven't read all of the messages posted but I'm surprised that no one has mentioned workspot.net. Not only is it free but it's linux! Lot's of other features as well. Check it out
    Need a fix? (Score:1)
    by g10matt on Saturday December 25, @02:05PM EST (#132)
    (User Info)
    I edited the html document at http://www.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/dologin/ to make it post the data to hotmail.com instead of ...passport.com. I've put this file up on a site, this address is


    http://charade.hypermart.net/hotmail.html

    Hotmail (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @02:13PM EST (#133)
    Yep, Their DNS records are incorrect. However those of us who use and write DNS for a living do the following: Run BIND 8.x on your local UN*X box and make yourself authoritative for passport.com (in /etc/named.conf put the lines zone "passport.com" { type master; file "named.passport"; } and then add the file named.passport into your namedb directory (often /var/named/ it's in the options { directory "???"; } section of /etc/named.conf). Here's the db file @ IN SOA firewall root.firewall ( 1999101600 ; Serial 28800 ; Refresh 14400 ; Retry 3600000 ; Expire 86400 ) ; Minimum IN NS firewall firewall IN A 192.168.0.254 lc2.law5.hotmail IN CNAME lc2.law5.hotmail.com. This links lc2.law.hotmail.passport.com to lc2.law.hotmail.com the server everyone's really trying to get to. Works for me.
    Returned mail: Service unavailable (Score:1)
    by -|Oblom|- on Saturday December 25, @02:25PM EST (#134)
    (User Info)
    Actually since yesterday i have troubles emailing freinds at hotmail.
    Pretty much everything that I sent comes back like this :

    The original message was received at Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:15:22 +0200 (IST)
    from ntn-xxx-xxx.inter.net.il [212.68.xxx.xxx] (may be forged)
    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
    <xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com>

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
    ... while talking to mc2.law5.hotmail.com.:
    >>> RCPT To:<xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com>
    <<< 554 Transaction failed
    554 <xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com>... Service unavailable
    451 reply: read error from mc2.law5.hotmail.com

    Anymore Hotmail cracks? (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 29, @12:35PM EST (#262)
    I would like to ask you guys that is there anymore cracks or backdoors to hotmail accounts like last time?
    Something tells me this was an NSI problem... (Score:1, Interesting)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @02:32PM EST (#136)
    The same thing happened to my personal domain. Last night (around 2:00am), I checked my webpage - it was down. Having paid for the domain last week, it made sense that a batch update may have been confused somehow (???) within NSI to the root domain name servers. Whois showed my domain, but there were no NS records in a any of the root DNS servers ([a..].root-servers.net).

    This sounds like an NSI botched run, not something Hotmail may have done (however much we like to point fingers).

    Needless to say, I was really irritated by the confusion. Who do you call on Christmas Eve to fix a problem with NSI?

    Only moron's use hotmail (Score:0, Flamebait)
    by trelyle (belyle@fcmail.com) on Saturday December 25, @02:50PM EST (#139)
    (User Info)
    Well I just feel like being a dick and pointing out that with all of the problems with security and such with Hotmail, and especially since it is so highly publicized every time Hotmail/MS hiccups, you must be an absolute moron to continue using it. Geezus H Christ, spend $ 5.00 and go get a goddam personal email account at an ISP that doesn't include a dial up if mail is all you need. C'mon people, let's use our brains here.
    "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither. " Thomas Jefferson
    Re:Only moron's [sic] use hotmail (Score:2)
    by Tom Christiansen (tchrist@perl.com) on Saturday December 25, @04:05PM EST (#147)
    (User Info) http://language.perl.com/
    I just feel like being a dick ... Geezus H Christ ...you must be an absolute moron
    And a very Merry Christmas to you, as well. May you in the year to come find more sensitivity in choosing your words than you have just now displayed through your pejorative use of one particular name that means so incredibly much to countless individuals of all stations throughout this tired world.

    On this day--of all the possible days that the year is long--on this very day apart from all others, one might have held out a scintilla of hope for a tiny bit more charity, caring, and compassion than is otherwise customary. But one would then have been forgetting the nature of our medium, the particular allure of faceless lack of accountability, and the bilous hate, hurt, and harm that daily spew from Slashdot. Though the morrow bring ample opportunity for once again being the poster children for Man's inhumanity to Man, why put off till tomorrow what could be mercilessly inflicted today?

    Peace to you and yours.

    --tom

    The computer *is* the game.

    Why did NSI do this now? (Score:1)
    by DeathB (adamp@andrew.cmu.edu) on Saturday December 25, @03:45PM EST (#144)
    (User Info) http://www.abtech.org
    As people have now figured out, Microsoft forgot to pay $35 to renew passport.com, and NSI pulled the record out of the root servers for it. It isn't just passport.com, they appear to have run something on the 23rd which cleaned out every record which was 2-3 months overdue. I noticed a few other domains dissapear this morning which look almost the same in dig as passport.com does right now.

    Is this a monthly thing for NSI? Or are they really idiots enough that they started cracking down on late payments, at a time when noone would know until Christmas day? It's almost like they were getting kickbacks from Motorola because not enough people send pages on Christmas. (sorry, so many people have been posting really idiotic Linux vs NT vs BSD messages over this, when it's only what the root-servers are running that could possibly matter)

    Anyone transfered a domain from NSI to a competitor yet? Did it hurt? I have two with NSI, and stupidity like this has caused me to hate their idea of good service.


    Would you do it for some scoobie crack?
    How to check your hotmail (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @04:08PM EST (#148)
    There is a way to check your hotmail. Go to http://www.msn.com and there's a little login box on the right side of the screen, and for some odd reason or another it works, but Hey, I'm not complaining.
    no it doesn't (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @06:06PM EST (#166)
    i tried.
    I haven't been able to get into Hotmail for months (Score:2)
    by Kris_J (Kris_Johnson30@hotmail.com) on Saturday December 25, @04:24PM EST (#151)
    (User Info) http://krisjohn.cjb.net
    Something on my portable PC has killed the passport system, but Hotmail is too dumb to notice. If I try and go to www.hotmail.com I just get stuck in a redirection loop. Since my Hotmail account will simply fill with Spam now (I don't use it for any real stuff) I don't really care - but still, someone here might...
    Re:I haven't been able to get into Hotmail for mon (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @06:09PM EST (#168)
    That's definitely not good behavior on Hotmail's part, and they ought to fix it. In the meantime, as a workaround, you might try nuking any cookies you have in the .passport.com or .hotmail.com domains - they may have got corrupted.
    Re:I haven't been able to get into Hotmail for mon (Score:1)
    by Kris_J (Kris_Johnson30@hotmail.com) on Sunday December 26, @05:28AM EST (#209)
    (User Info) http://krisjohn.cjb.net
    try nuking any cookies you have in the .passport.com or .hotmail.com domains
    Yeah, that worked. Thanx. I think I accidently deleted the wrong cookie when I cleaned through a while ago. Amazing how easy it is to get stuck.
    Proposed fix (Score:3, Informative)
    by David A. Madore (david.madore@ens.fr) on Saturday December 25, @05:40PM EST (#160)
    (User Info) http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/madore/
    /etc/rc.d/init.d/named stop
    cat >>/etc/named.conf <<'EOF'
    zone "passport.com" {
    type forward;
    forwarders 207.46.138.10;
    };
    EOF
    /etc/rc.d/init.d/named start

    Assuming, of course, that you are running your own BIND (which IMHO, is nearly always a good idea). Otherwise, add the required entries to your /etc/hosts file.

    Not running Unix? Too bad, isn't it...

    Re:Proposed fix (Score:1)
    by JamesKPolk (multivac @ fcmail.com) on Sunday December 26, @12:40AM EST (#194)
    (User Info)
    nearly always a good idea?

    You must already be paid to administrate BIND servers... otherwise you might not find it so obvious to have to worry about the latest security holes in the service. :-)
    Re:Proposed fix (Score:2)
    by David A. Madore (david.madore@ens.fr) on Sunday December 26, @05:21PM EST (#239)
    (User Info) http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/madore/

    Don't let your named listen on port 53, make it send queries from a non-standard port, use fascist logging on port 53, use the openwall Linux security patches to make the stack non executable, don't run BIND as root, and always follow bugtraq to learn about the latest security holes.

    That should be reasonably safe.

    Re:Proposed fix (Score:1)
    by Canadian AC (CanadianAC@NOSPAM.telebot.net) on Thursday December 30, @12:42AM EST (#265)
    (User Info)
    here's a good trick:

    ipchains -A input -s ! 120.0.0.1 -y -j DENY

    Canadian AC CanadianAC@NOSPAM.telebot.net
    Re:Proposed fix (Score:1)
    by Canadian AC (CanadianAC@NOSPAM.telebot.net) on Thursday December 30, @12:43AM EST (#266)
    (User Info)
    oups...in fact,it's:

    ipchains -A input 0s ! 128.0.0.1 -y -j DENY

    Canadian AC CanadianAC@NOSPAM.telebot.net
    Never mind the snafu i did (Score:1)
    by Canadian AC (CanadianAC@NOSPAM.telebot.net) on Thursday December 30, @12:46AM EST (#267)
    (User Info)
    i'll repeat it 5 times:

    it's time to go to bed,never make a comment when under heavy medication....

    so good night.

    Canadian....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....AC
    Canadian AC CanadianAC@NOSPAM.telebot.net
    Obviously... (Score:1)
    by David A. Madore (david.madore@ens.fr) on Saturday December 25, @05:47PM EST (#162)
    (User Info) http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/madore/
    ...Micro$oft can't afford to pay the $35... Bill Gates is only multi-billionaire, you know.
    IT'S Y2K!! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!! (Score:2)
    by heroine (broadcast@earthling.net) on Saturday December 25, @05:51PM EST (#163)
    (User Info) http://heroine.linuxbox.com
    Let's face it. Hotmail going down is no big news. What is interesting is how 90% of the internet goes down every time there's a holiday because no-one's around to maintain the servers yet as far as the news media is concerned, Y2K is the only problem.
    How about this... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @06:19PM EST (#169)
    OK I'm no wizz but i'm pretty keen to check my mail... None of these fixes seem to work for me, i suppose its just my ISP but how about this... Someone who has a server that has hotmail working could make a little page inside a page that links to hotmail, and somehow all the dns stuff goes through this PC. I don't know if this is possible but it looks like a few people have a lot of spare time on their hands, and think of the fame... you solved the dilema, my hero etc... don't forget to floss jacob
    Why didn't HOTMAIL staff fix this already (Score:1)
    by tyler@mango.net.nz on Saturday December 25, @06:36PM EST (#171)
    (User Info)
    The real question is why a group of /.'ers on a discussion board managed to pay NSI and fix this problem before Microsoft/Hotmail staff could. I would have throught they would have guys there 24/7/365.25 troubleshooting problems and mail failures.
    Re:Why didn't HOTMAIL staff fix this already (Score:1)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Sunday December 26, @07:54AM EST (#214)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    I would have throught they would have guys there 24/7/365.25 troubleshooting problems and mail failures.

    You've hit the point right on the head.
    This is an example of how lazy a monopoly is about it's customers. This is an example of how MS doesn't care about it's users. This is why so many people dislike MS.
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf

    Hotmail quick fix. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 25, @11:34PM EST (#191)
    As I got tired of wating for microsoft to fix the problem with hotmail, I did a little looking. it seems that while the passport.com domain is kaput, microsoft mirrored all of their stuff to the hotmail domain.

    Here is how to fix hotmail on your systems, at least for the time being:

    Linux
    In your host file, add the following
    207.46.198.16 passport.com
    209.185.243.7 hotmail.com
    209.185.243.7 lc1.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    216.33.151.7 hotmail.com
    216.33.151.7 lc3.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    209.185.243.135 hotmail.com
    209.185.243.135 lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    216.32.243.7 hotmail.com
    216.32.243.7 lc4.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    216.33.238.7 hotmail.com
    216.33.238.7 lc5.law5.hotmail.passport.com


    Windows
    the only difference for windows is that you have to put this in a file called "hosts" in the c:\windows\ directory, or wherever your windows directory is. This also works under nt, but I forget where the host file is stored. Much luck and perhaps someone will fix this stupid problem already.

    Notes: In truth, I dont think all of the above is requried, but in truth, my goal was to make it work, not make it pretty. If someone wants to do some more investigation, by all means, go for it.

    Adam
    amsb@lehigh.edu
    Here was my solution to the Hotmail dns problem (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 26, @12:43AM EST (#195)
    First I found out that there are at least 5 addresses that are affected by the problem, they range between lc1.law5.hotmail.passport.com to lc5.law5.hotmail.com. These address will resolve if you leave out the .passport from the domain name so I resolved all 5 addresses. You will need the following file: c:\windows\hosts, which works as a small domain name server in dialup networking for windows 95, 98 and NT. You may have a sample hosts file on your computer called either hosts or hosts.sam, either edit the sample hosts file or create a new one and enter the following 5 lines:
    209.185.243.7 lc1.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    209.185.243.135 lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    216.33.151.7 lc3.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    216.32.243.7 lc4.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    216.33.238.7 lc5.law5.hotmail.passport.com
    each entry has a ip address and a domain name and each entry has to be on a different line. Make sure you save the file as c:\windows\hosts and you will now be able to get to hotmail. THIS SHOULD ONLY BE USED AS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION AS THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT MICROSOFT (MSN) WON'T CHANGE THESE ADDRESSES IN THE FUTURE.
    If you have any questions please email me at mr_ceo@hotmail.com
    pheer (Score:1)
    by serialk (thematrix@themail.com(NO_spam)) on Sunday December 26, @01:18AM EST (#198)
    (User Info) http://aboutguide.tripod.com
    it should work with many other domains at certain

    times and you should keep it
    It's working (Score:2, Interesting)
    by Trailer Trash (mdchaney@michaelchaney.com) on Sunday December 26, @06:04AM EST (#210)
    (User Info) http://www.doublewide.net/

    Folks, it's 6:00AM CST and Hotmail is again accessible. passport.com is finally resolvable again:

    [root@dialer /root]# nslookup passport.com
    Server: localhost
    Address: 127.0.0.1

    Name: passport.com
    Address: 207.46.198.16

    By golly, I think I fixed it.


    Re:you da man! ! (Score:1)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Sunday December 26, @07:51AM EST (#213)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    you da man! ! :)
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf
    A good example of distributed support (Score:3, Insightful)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Sunday December 26, @09:51AM EST (#216)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    I've been giving a lot of thought to this story, and would like to point out a few details. There is a lot of talk about the diferences between the suport model of ms products and Linux products.

    ms often claims that "there isn't any one source for suport" in Linux. This is a good thing, and it is related to the passport.com outage. here's why.

    When passport.com went out early on the morning of the 25th, a loose band of Linux users from around the world (using /. as there hub) set to work on the problem early Christmas morning. Never thinking about themselves, never considering that it was a holiday, all they knew was that it was a network, and it needed fixing.

    These selfless acts of working a problem through to a solution is not only common in the Linux comunity, it's standard.

    At first, many people thought it was a problem with Hotmail (as the original story stated), but it didn't take long to find out that it was something else.

    While many people suspected a problem in DNS, the first sign of what the problem might be, came from an anonymous user at 9:30 AM confirming earlier thoughts that it may be a NSI related DNS problem.

    *** ns.cw.net can't find passport.com:
    Non-existent host/domain
    > www.passport.com
    Server: ns.cw.net
    Address: 204.70.128.1

    Other users expressed thoughts that the domain was shut off by non-payment (Hydrophobe on 09:44 AM -- Saturday December 25 1999 CST) but didn't give details.

    Still, many thought perhaps faulty DNS caching may play a roll. After all, ait would be rare for a domain like passport.com (who controls purchases at nearly 30 domains around the internet) would be out.

    Then at 09:53 AM -- Saturday December 25 1999 CST /. user zyklone@hotmail.com hit paydirt when he looked up passport.com at: https://payments.networksolutions.com/

    Also, /. user vovin posted a few nslookeps to confirm that the DNS was indeed where the problem was.

    Less than an hour later: by Trailer Trash (mdchaney@michaelchaney.com) on 10:58 AM -- Saturday December 25 1999 CST (#90)
    (User Info) http://www.doublewide.net/

    Hey, I paid it for them. Merry Christmas, Microsoft.
    ---- Your transaction was successful. Payment has been posted for the domain.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Details of your transaction are given below. You may print this page for future reference.
    Card Type: MASTERCARD Card Number: [SNIP]

    and boom, the domain was back up and running.
    distributed support in action

    This is also an axample of why monopolies are bad things. ms, to fat lazy to care about it's customers, left all the passport.com users disapointed just when they needed the service the most, in the heart of the holiday buying season.

    And all of this could have been prevented by a simple $35,00 payment.
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf

    First for /. ? (Score:1)
    by Ronin441 (doug@ultrazone.com) on Sunday December 26, @03:42PM EST (#235)
    (User Info) http://www.ultrazone.com
    I'm fascinated that a number of hackers, with little in common other than a desire and an ability to fix a piece of the problem, can convene in an ad-hoc forum and fix the problem; probably before the problem's "owners" are even aware of its existence.

    Is this the first time slashdot has been used in this way, as a real-time tool to coordinate a debugging effort?
    Re:First for /. ? (Score:3, Interesting)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Sunday December 26, @05:30PM EST (#240)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    Is this the first time slashdot has been used in this way, as a real-time tool to coordinate a debugging effort?

    Congradulations. You get it. You understand the "bazaar" form of open source software development.

    To answer your question I would say that no, this isn't the first time that a solution was ferited out here on slashdot(/.)

    Perhaps this particular solution was solved a little faster than others(it was easy:), but everyday people pose questions and get results.

    The realtime moderation system here on /. allows the truly insightful and informative responses to instantly be subjected to peer review around the world, and float to the top. Where else can an engineer judge there thoughts and ideas so quickly?

    Just as an example, the current top story on /. talks about game software, and a persons ability to cheat at that game if the source code is open sourced. Someone, somewhere has worked through this problem before, and in less than an hour, there have been 4 (Score:5) responses to the story(including the actual guy writing the software being debated.)(see here:1 2 3 4 ).

    This kind of peer review and moderations without censorship allows the best ideas to flurrish, and all the other ideas to keep flowing.


    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf

    Just payed 70$ for Microsoft.net (Score:1)
    by Sune DK on Sunday December 26, @10:50AM EST (#221)
    (User Info)

    I just wanted to make sure that Microsoft can keep the domain, even though they have registred the domain in november but haven't payed the bill yet.

    Record last updated on 22-Nov-1999.
    Record created on 22-Nov-1999.
    Database last updated on 25-Dec-1999 12:47:25 EST.
    ********

    Your transaction was successful. Payment has been posted for the domain.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Details of your transaction are given below. You may print this page for future reference.
    Card Type: VISA
    Card Number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    Amount Charged (USD): 70.00
    Approval Code: A 00 171656 00936058613054022BFV 01 X X

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    List of Domains
    Count Domain Name Invoice Number Amount Due 1 microsoft.net 14825868 70.00
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Thank you for using the On-Line Payment System. If you wish to pay for another domain, click on the Start button. If you have completed your transactions, click on Quit to exit the system and visit the Network Solutions Home Page.
    ********

    You can find the proof of the above at:
    http://www.worldwidewait.com/ms/ms.html

    Regards
    Sune Hansen
    Re:Why? Microsoft.net isn't in use (Score:1)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Sunday December 26, @11:18AM EST (#223)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    Why? Microsoft.net isn't in use
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf
    Re:Why? Microsoft.net isn't in use (Score:1)
    by Sune DK on Sunday December 26, @11:35AM EST (#224)
    (User Info)

    Because I wanted to give Microsoft a Cristmas gift.

    Regards
    Sune
    More than just a Hotmail problem (Score:2)
    by Money__ (hallada at Netscape dot net) on Sunday December 26, @12:19PM EST (#225)
    (User Info) file:///C|/Windows/Exit%20To%20DOS.pif
    I've been doing a little more research into this little passport.com outage, and I thought some of the information I found might be helpful to others here.

    Acording to ms own press release, (found at:http://www.passport.com/directory/) this isn't just a hotmail issue. They have several domains signed up to use a service that ms itself wouldn't pay $35.00 to maintain.

    The list: ArtSelect.com
    BottomLineMac.com
    Buy.com
    CDW Computing Solutions
    Costco Online
    Crutchfield Electronics
    ephones
    ePCdirect.com
    Flowerbud.com
    Flowersandgifts.com
    FurnitureFind.com
    Giftpoint.com
    Kabang.com
    LEF.org
    Lodging.com
    MSN eShop
    MSN Gift Certificates
    My Shopping Club
    OfficeMax.com
    RedTag.com
    Sandrine.com
    TooHome.com
    Toytime.com
    Umbra.com
    VCOM.com
    ========
    Like most linux users, I would like to see electronic comerce thrive and progress, but in a safe secure manor.

    Therefore, we should consider it our duty to inform the webmasters at these domains that ms doesn't have there interests in mind. That ms could care less about the success of there venture. That ms left the passport.com domain down in the middle of the holiday buying season, and that they should be held liable for all contracts expressed or implied.

    If we each pick a domain and send an email informing them (be nice!) of the way ms has handled themselves in this situation, perhaps they will think twice about partnering with a monopolist that wouldn't give $35 to help them.
    _________________________
    These comments powered by Printf

    there is a reason... (Score:1)
    by krusader (krusader@embryonic.org) on Sunday December 26, @03:38PM EST (#234)
    (User Info) http://embryonic.org
    ya know... theres a reason why pop accounts are still in existance and are distributed to everyone with internet access
    This is all about software, isn't it? (Score:1)
    by bluehell (bluehell@gmx.net) on Sunday December 26, @06:04PM EST (#241)
    (User Info) http://come.to/bluehell
    I think they should have used Quicken instead of Money to handle their payments.
    -- To bloody go where no man has gone before.
    Uhh .. (Score:1)
    by tflehto on Monday December 27, @04:07PM EST (#250)
    (User Info)
    Hey .. DNS crap happens, guys. Although I still believe that Microsoft is evil, we should not succomb to such childish mudslinging .. if they had a problem (like ALL of us do at some point..), no big deal - it will be fixed. Besides .. it is Microsoft .. why is this such a big surprise? Tim
    Lesson: One person caused Passport.Com to lapse (Score:1)
    by Fudge.Org (slashdot@kittyporn.org) on Monday December 27, @08:36PM EST (#251)
    (User Info) http://www.kittyporn.org/
    This should serve as a reminder to anyone that deals with the InterNIC or any registrar that uses contact information.

    Specifically, you will note that the Billing Contact for PASSPORT.COM is a person.

    Billing Contact: Gudmundson, Carolyn (CG6635) carolyng@MICROSOFT.COM +1 (425) 882-8080 (FAX) +1 (425) 936-7329

    Now, compare that to most other domains used by M$oft. It is often the case, that people that are part of big business FORGET that there are some very tedious details on the InterNET.

    Microsoft-Internic Billing Issues (MDB-ORG) msnbill@MICROSOFT.COM 425 882 8080

    This is the proper use of a ROLE.

    A sure fire way to screw something up is to let a SINGLE person be a Billing Contact.

    By far the best practice is to use a ROLE that has a email address that gets sent to several people. Since you never know who might be on a vacation or might blow away their inbox.

    So I would recommend that Microsoft go here: http://www.networksolutions.co m/makechanges/reports/

    Actually, a good natured Linux user could probably do this as well for them. :) All you need it the information contained in the whois lookup.

    The reason this is important is that Gudmundson, Carolyn (CG6635) carolyng@MICROSOFT.COM probably hasn't paid many other things as well. Why? This person might not even WORK for microsoft now...

    Think this can't happen? Think again.

    Her manager should have known or someone should have known but apparently nobody did or there was a billing error/oversite.

    Oh, but wait... what if her manager is gone TOO???

    Repeat again: Think it can't happen? Thing again.

    When you use a domain name make sure you put a TEAM in charge with a leader vs. a single point of failure.

    Even a rank newbie working for an ISP knows this much. I expect that Gudmundson, Carolyn (CG6635) carolyng@MICROSOFT.COM was on vacation or called in rich[sick].

    Aren't you glad you don't work in this persons office?
    http://www.mp3.com/fudge/
    Add Fudge.Org

    More proof that open source works!!! (Score:1)
    by The Babushka on Thursday December 30, @05:00PM EST (#268)
    (User Info) http://chewie.cel.cmich.edu
    The really amazing part about all this isn't that the $600-billion behemoth didn't pay their bill, nor is it the fact that they did not get any special treatment from the domain name folks. It's not even the fact that a Linux programmer (who says their zealots?) paid the bill.

    The amazing story here is that Hotmail was essentially unavailable to an alleged 52 million people for several hours, and M$ was not even *AWARE* of the problem - let alone finding a solution.

    Michael Chaney did not find and fix this problem by himself. He was online with other geeks when, like the others, he was unable to get his mail. They *COLLABORATED* to figure out the problem. Chaney happened to be the guy who paid the bill, but he wasn't the first to figure out what the problem was.

    This is more than embarrassing to M$, it is a sign of things to come. The problem was made public (by virtue of the fact that Hotmail is publicly available), diagnosed through collaboration across the Internet, and *fixed* by a rogue individual who simply wanted to get his email. The open source model proved faster and more efficient than M$. It got the job done before M$ was even aware there was a problem.

    Who says good help is hard to find?
    -The Babushka
     
     
      What this country needs is a good five dollar plasma weapon.
    All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners. Comments are owned by the Poster. The Rest © 1997-2004 OSDN.
    [ home | awards | contribute story | older articles | OSDN | advertise | self serve ad system | about | terms of service | privacy | faq | rss ]