1 reply beneath your current threshold. Ok, a URL to the plans. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @04:41AM EDT (#5) |
Does anyone have a URL for the plans?
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Concealed weapon ? (Score:1) by Case Sensitive on Friday September 10, @04:42AM EDT (#6) (User Info) |
Is that a HERF gun in your pocket or ....
Surely nothing you run around with under the jacket.
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Re:Concealed weapon ? (Score:1) by Cironian (m.rating@tu-harburg.de) on Friday September 10, @05:16AM EDT (#50) (User Info) http://uox.stratics.com
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With enough work (and equipment), you could actually make the antenna part quite small and still keep it powerful. Your only problem will be the power supply. Flashlight batteries just dont really cut it here. :) (Although you could carry around the car battery in a backpack)
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Re:Concealed weapon and public schools ? (Score:1, Interesting) by CaptSwifty (swifty@killspammers.dataex.com) on Friday September 10, @06:33AM EDT (#111) (User Info) |
If (this is a big if) this thing could be made small enough, and kids in school could carry one around with a battery in their backpack, would this be another reason to install metal detectors and search backpacks in public schools? I'm a senior in High School, and the rules they make are stupid. They can install metal dectors and search backpacks because they are concerned about our saftey, and they regulate computer use and have librarians watch over your shoulder when you use a computer, will some schools be so afraid of HERF that they search you before you go into school to save the computers?
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Re:Concealed weapon and public schools ? (Score:1) by rnt on Friday September 10, @06:49AM EDT (#119) (User Info) |
I think schools (or other places where they use metal detectors) should be more affraid of people using HERF guns to disable the detection equipment in order circumvent security.
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Re:Concealed weapon and public schools ? (Score:1) by Rogue150 on Friday September 10, @07:46AM EDT (#149) (User Info) |
Hmmmm... This thing sounds like it only needs a quick pulse. What about a couple of 1-farad capacitors? I still have those laying around from my car audio days. I think that would do the trick w/o needing a automotive/marine battery. *weg*
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Re:Concealed weapon and public schools ? (Score:1) by BlakStone (blakstone%hotmail.com) on Friday September 10, @07:53AM EDT (#153) (User Info) |
I graduated last year, but I still know quite a few people in High school. If anyone in my class had brought a "mini-HERF gun" to school, and i found out, I would have promptly smashed him in the face with my Chemistry 12 textbook. Then I'd sit on his chest and zap him in the face with a laser pointer pen for a couple hours... see how he likes it. Ignorant people who would actually do something like that for kicks don't deserve to breath let alone attend public school.
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You need to understand something (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @09:30AM EDT (#170) |
You need to understand something...A HERF gun would not permanently take out a computer just make it go hinky and freeze up. Bad if you were hooked up to a regulator or something but not so bad if you were searching the Internet for something because you would just have to reboot EMPS blow up your computers and you cannot reboot. BTW, Bill Gates has already beaten this guy to the punch. He produced the software version of the HERF gun...its called Windows
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Hehehe. Good Idea! (Score:0, Offtopic) by Jonathan Hamilton on Friday September 10, @07:35AM EDT (#142) (User Info) |
I too am a Senior in High School. I was just thinking about how fun it would be to have a mini herf gun and when your class goes to the computer lab or your teacher starts putting grades in the computer to use it. A friend of mine who ended up dropping out wrote a program that would enable to restart computers on a Novell network. It was quite funny to see people's computer reboot when they where in the middle of typing somthing.
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ummm... (Score:1) by neoscsi on Friday September 10, @04:42AM EDT (#7) (User Info) http://bewm.dhs.org
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and WHERE do i get the plans for one of these..? :) -neoscsi |
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The guy ain't talking (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @09:34AM EDT (#173) |
Saw him on Dateline and he said simply I am not releasing them but anyone with enough sense can kludge one together. Sorry kids...gonna have to figure this one out yourself
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More info? (Score:1) by QuMa (fvw@var.cx) on Friday September 10, @04:42AM EDT (#8) (User Info) http://var.cx
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Anybody got anymore info on this? Specificly: What frequency does it emmit? Or does it really just emit one pulse?
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Re:More info? (Score:1) by fatboy (fatboy@groovin.net) on Friday September 10, @04:57AM EDT (#29) (User Info) http://www.windowssucks.com
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Re:More info? (Score:2, Interesting) by WowMan (marcg@fred.net) on Friday September 10, @05:57AM EDT (#96) (User Info) |
These have been around for a while. They used to be called "Police Radar Jammers". The instructions were as simple as putting a spark plug (source of all radio frequencies) into a properly tuned wave guide. I've not tried this, but it seems simple enough to put "under the hood", even in your shirt pocket! (Pocket sized radar detectors contain a small wave guide.) Imagine a radar detector waveguide with a small spark gap installed in the cavity with the spark gap energized by a pizo-ignition device from something like a camping lantern. The real challenge here is access to the High Frequency test equipment neccessary to tune the Wave Guide to whatever channel needs jamming. Test instruments like this can cost $50,000! Enjoy!
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Re:More info? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @06:11AM EDT (#103) |
I don't understand something. If someone were to have such a thing in their car, wouldn't it zap their own car's electronics, too, or can they be aimed that well?
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Re:More info? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:17AM EDT (#135) |
Depends on your car. ;) I used to joke that my '75 VW van was 'EMP hardened' because there was nothing it needed to run that was electronic. (The fuel injection had been replaced with a carburator, for those of you who tinker with 70's VW's.)
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Therein lies the problem (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @09:39AM EDT (#174) |
Being able to finetune the frequency so as to jam radar without blasting your ignition system. And since radar detectors can be adjusted with the twist of the button they may circumvent your lil jammer rather easily. Gonna be tougher to make a wide band HERF that will not mess you up in the process
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Re:More info? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @12:35PM EDT (#186) |
Quite possibly. I suppose it's a matter of aiming the antenna :). But! Old cars don't need electronics: somewhere in the 1970s, most manufacturers started moving to "High-Energy" ignition systems. A 1978 Oldsmobile (to give as an example a vehicle I am far too familiar with) has just such an electronic igniton. Earlier machines used a straight mechanical system to run the points and timing. In cars before full electronic engine controls (when did that happen, OBD era? probably in the late 80s-early 90s) this ignition vulnerability is the only real weakness to a HERF/EMP attack. Well, okay, your radio won't work, and maybe if it was a Cadillac, the air conditioning would give up too. Note that earlier cars (such as the always-cool 1967 Chevrolet Corvette) used mechanical points ignitions, and would not be vulnerable to EMP/HERF.
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This is scary (Score:2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @04:43AM EDT (#9) |
Imagine someone playing with this on new years or it is the ultimate war machine....... Think about it. We live in a information age, and if the information is disabled?
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Re:This is scary (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:30AM EDT (#64) |
... than we'd have to start to think ourself again. No, really; information is not the problem and I'd expect critical hardware to be shielded. Be Faraday with you.
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Mobile Phone Killer (Score:2, Funny) by akey (scsiprog@geocities.com) on Friday September 10, @04:45AM EDT (#10) (User Info) http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Byte/7125/
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Hmmm... every time I see someone driving along with a mobile phone pressed to their ear, I can't help but wonder if a device like this could find some use. If the pulse is directable, and has a limited range, it could just work.
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Buy it here - Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:3, Interesting) by Markee on Friday September 10, @05:16AM EDT (#49) (User Info) |
| There already is a mobile phone killer. It's about the size of a cell phone, although wall mounted. The company that makes them didn't plan on making them portable in 1998. What a shame! I'd love to carry one of those around and enjoy the silly faces of all the yuppies who annoy anyone in the vicinity by shouting into their phones all the time. You could even make the device look like a cell phone itself, so that everybody around you (on the train, for example) will think their cell phone is broken, while you, for a change, bore them out of their skulls talking into your little gadget. Here's the story on Electronic Telegraph: Immobilising the mobiles
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Re:Buy it here - Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:1) by rnt on Friday September 10, @07:06AM EDT (#130) (User Info) |
There already is a mobile phone killer. Actually that is something different. The HERF gun puts out enough energy in one pulse to interfere with the electronics inside the target, causing it to malfunction. The phonekiller you're mentioning transmits a lowpower signal on the frequencies used by the phone making it impossible for it to communicate with the telecom provider. The phone itself keeps on functioning just fine, but it's unable to reach the official stations to make a call. I even heard the really cool jammers can be programmed to put messages on the phone's display (normally the provider's name is put on the display, but since a jamming device drowns the original signal "creative" messages are possible as well).
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Re:Buy it here - Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:37AM EDT (#145) |
I'm looking to build something that jumps on those monster amplifiers in cars. Ya know the ones you feel as they go by. I hate that. How dare some one em pose their musical beliefs on me! Some thing that would get into the chips of the amplifier. Thump...Thump...Thump...Thump...Thump...Thump BOOM
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Stereo Silencers (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @10:04AM EDT (#180) |
If anyone could build a device to stop loud stereos I'd buy the thing... Bring me back nights of good sleep...
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Re:Buy it here - Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:1) by jonathanclark on Friday September 10, @01:08PM EDT (#190) (User Info) http://jonathanclark.com
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You could even make the device look like a cell phone itself, so that .... If you do, please do not hold it next to your head when in use. You would be emmiting a lot more energy than what is consider safe.
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Re:Buy it here - Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:0, Troll) by Jake96 on Friday September 10, @01:42PM EDT (#192) (User Info) |
I need one of these for the next time I go see a movie at the theater. Now if only there were a "crying baby killer." Well, one that won't get you put on death row.
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Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:2, Informative) by Max von H. (themax at hotbot dot com) on Friday September 10, @05:18AM EDT (#55) (User Info) |
I've noticed my computer would crash everytime my mobile rings, if the computer has it's box open. Talking about European GSM digital mobiles, they're 2W.
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Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:2, Funny) by alumshubby (alumshubby at aol dot com -- yes, AOL. Sue me! :) on Friday September 10, @05:29AM EDT (#63) (User Info) |
I've adopted a somewhat more low-tech approach to the driving-while-phoning problem. I put a sign in my windshield that says, in reversed print, HANG UP AND DRIVE THE CAR. "Technical writers are manual laborers." BMcC (alums) |
Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:0, Redundant) by The Queen (valvolene_spamsux@holophrastic.com) on Friday September 10, @07:23AM EDT (#138) (User Info) http://holophrastic.com
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Ha! That is cool. Can you make me one, too? I'd pay!!! LOL
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Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:1) by RubberDuckie on Friday September 10, @10:59AM EDT (#183) (User Info) |
I like the idea, but is has a small bug .... those types of people _never_ look in their rearview mirrors. I consider it a good day if they even show a passing interest with the road ahead of them.
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Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:1) by svallarian (svallarian@hotmail.com) on Friday September 10, @05:34AM EDT (#68) (User Info) |
yeah, but you'd probably also shut off their car's electrical system too...
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Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:1) by AngusSF on Friday September 10, @06:02AM EDT (#99) (User Info) http://www.geoapps.com
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When I first saw this I thought it might be a Tempest in a T-pot, but it actually has some potential. I can see the cops grabbing onto this one and developing a car-stopper -- imagine if they'd had one of these to "shoot down" OJ Simpson during the white Bronco chase. A good side effect of this would be an end to the wacko-driver videos shot from helicopters. Do you think this might be the end of the flying cop-ter that intrudes upon us from above?
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Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:1) by CaptSwifty (swifty@killspammers.dataex.com) on Friday September 10, @06:38AM EDT (#114) (User Info) |
Actually, I believe their is a car killer being researched right now, and as far as I know, it works.
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Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:16AM EDT (#134) |
This tech does exist it's called the Road Patriot. Bumper mounted, rocket car "luanched" under the suspect vehicle.
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Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:2, Informative) by hbruijn on Friday September 10, @07:59AM EDT (#157) (User Info) http://mephisto.169.nu
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The only demonstration of such a car killler I have seen was on discovery channel. The only difficulty lied in the fact that it was mounted on a sled, and had to launched from the police car, to slide under the car running away. The design of all police cars with the engine up front does not allow for a large parabolic antenna to direct the pulse, and the police do not want to take out all the cars on the road. The only requirement is of course that the car you want to shut down has electronic fuel injection, and other electronics to shut down.
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Cops and OJ (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:05AM EDT (#128) |
| Yeah, but anything law enforcement can do, the modern info-warrior can do better. Imagine this scenerio: You're driving along and your radar/laser detector goes off. Automatically, electronics in your car wake up and direct a pulse of EMP back toward the radar source, turning the cop's radar gun into electronic quiche. Since you're driving a 1968 mustang with all mechanical linkages, your car really doesn't notice the blast. And you've taken precautions to shield the car's other electronics from nasty EMP blasts, so everything stays hunky and dory for you. The cop, on the other hand, can't even radio for help. I'd hate to think what would happen if you EMP'ed a helecopter...
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Re:Mobile Phone Killer (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @06:38AM EDT (#116) |
| Score 1 off topic but funny Hmmmm. That would be MUCH better than the two primary methods I have now. Did you know a drunk driver is LESS likely to cause an accident than someone talking on a cell phone. The New england City (I forget the name) that passed the first seat belt law has now passed a law requiring you to keep both hands on the wheel while using a cell phone. (Read it in Time or People) Usually, I just honk the horn and mime the motion of hanging up the phone. Actually had a few people mouth back, "sorry." and hang up! When a polite beep doesn't work, I use a much longer, less tactful foghorn-length blast. One guy just flipped me the bird and swung into my lane WHILE I WAS STILL THERE. Taught him a lesson though. Stayed behind him and kept my hand on the horn until he DID hang up, which was about ¼ mile from my turn anyway! My favorite was when a 300 pound 40-something woman was talking on the phone and swerving between the lanes, effectively preventing all attempts to pass her. I beeped my horn, and when she looked I blew her a kiss. She lowered the cell phone and I pulled up beside her where I blew another kiss, then licked my lips. She just stared at me while I pulled ahead. I looked in my rear view mirror and she wasn't using the cell phone...
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Put cell user's voice on your car PA system! (Score:1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @08:19AM EDT (#162) |
| I've done this will a frequency counter (to pick up their cell phones xmit frequency). The counter then feeds this info into my scanner with the audio out connected to the PA in my car. When they hear themselves echoing loudly outside, they usually hang up. It didn't work so well at Burger King, though. The box that takes your order is usually NOT wired. It's RF! So I tried the same setup, so everyone could hear what the guy up front was ordering. Well, as soon as he spoke. A HUGE feedback loop resulted. Incessant loud squealing until I shut the PA off. Oops. :)
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You people are evil. (Score:1) by Derek Pomery (dpomery@cuc.edu) on Friday September 10, @01:21PM EDT (#191) (User Info) |
Sure it would kill the mobile phone.. And the car. Do you really want their car to die on the freeway while going 80mph? Think they can bring it safely to a stop? How many other cars would you hit?
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Nothing new (Score:2, Funny) by rde (rde(at)ireland(dot)com) on Friday September 10, @04:45AM EDT (#11) (User Info) http://www.irelands-web.ie/rde
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BFD. The technology to bring computers to a grinding halt has been around since 1996 (it slipped back from its original release date).
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A wake up call ... to who? (Score:2, Insightful) by TetsuoShima (tetsuo@pimpin.net) on Friday September 10, @04:47AM EDT (#13) (User Info) |
But Schriner, who has devoted his research to small-scale electronic warfare, said the demonstration was intended as a "wake up call" to show that even low-budget saboteurs can create viable electronic weapons I just don't understand that sentence from the article. A wake up call ... to the government? I don't think that the US could stop that if it tried, without reverting to a national police state.
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Re:A wake up call ... to who? (Score:2, Informative) by challen on Friday September 10, @05:28AM EDT (#61) (User Info) |
It's supposed to be a wake up call for better shielding. Of course in the PC market that wouldn't happen unless the government forced the issue, simply because nobody would pay the extra money for such equipment without a demonstrable threat. I know I don't want to plop down an extra $200 when I buy a PC. In the Air Force we have a certification program called TEMPEST. The computers are all shielded in solid steel cases, and that's just to reduce electronic noise to prevent eavesdropping. The shielding required for that is expensive (and heavy!) I don't want to guess how much shielding would be required to protect computers from something like a powerful HERF gun. Paradoxically, Creationists do present good evidence against evolution: not their arguments, their existence. |
Re:A wake up call ... to who? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:49AM EDT (#88) |
Basically the same shielding that Tempest hardening provides should be sufficient to shield most equipment from a HERF gun. Tempest hardening is basically building a faraday cage around the device so it won't emit RF itself. If it's already in a Faraday cage, it's shielded against HERF.
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Re:A wake up call ... to who? (Score:1) by j-p.s (jstacey@jstacey) on Friday September 10, @05:59AM EDT (#97) (User Info) http://www.wadham.ox.ac.uk/~jstacey
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It's probably a "wake-up call" to people who feel they are running robust systems and therefore have no kind of back-up systems. However stable your OS, there is no weapon against the HERF gun, other than covering your computer in lead, dropping it in concrete and then burying the block at sea. Which may be preferable to day-to-day sysadmin, if you're running NT.
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Re:A wake up call ... to who? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:56AM EDT (#155) |
Lead won't do it...... you need mu-metal, a dense ferrous alloy developed especially for em shielding.
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Re:A wake up call ... to who? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @06:14AM EDT (#104) |
::A wake up call ... to the government? I don't think that the US could stop that if it tried, without reverting to a national police state. Like that will stop them from trying. Did you know that they passed a law making it illegal to monitor cell phone frequencies? OK, so I can't buy a scanner to do it... but if I really wanted to I could build a receiver from scratch to do the job. Same with this -- anyone with a knowledge of the principles, which aren't too difficult, could build a "HERF." So there are a few hundred thousand ham radio guys already... It really disturbs me when they try to restrict access to or use of basic physical principles. Did you know that under current computer crime law just writing out an algorithm for a password cracker is a crime? Ridiculous.
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Re:A wake up call ... to who? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @08:17AM EDT (#161) |
The really sad thing is that the US, which has always been a beacon of liberty for the whole world, is already well down the road to a police state. You worry about having your guns taken away. Guns may have been a barrier to tyrany 200 years ago, but you are now loosing the electronic equivalents everyday. Bye bye, land of the free.
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I made something similar (Score:2, Informative) by Yarn (yarn@b0rk.co.uk) on Friday September 10, @04:48AM EDT (#14) (User Info) http://www.b0rk.co.uk/columns.php3?author=yarn
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But it was considerably less powerful. It was an old car battery and the coils from an large, old TV. It wasnt directional, and you needed it fairly close to the device you were disrupting. I made it after a discussion about the music on the radio on out school bus. We didnt like it and the driver wouldnt turn it off, so I said to my friends 'I bet I could make something that'd stop those speakers remotely' and they didnt believe me so I made it. Never did try it out on the bus tho. I'd be interested as to the thickness of metal that this device works thru, as most equipement is shielded, and medical equipment more so. And given all this worry about cellphones causing cancer I'd be interested as to any lasting effects on anyone in the way. The operators of MRI Scanners are exposed to both strong magnetic fields and high frequency RF, and direction sense and memory are rumoured to be affected (Known as 'Mag Lag'). AFAIK theres no proven data on this. -Yarn |
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Reminds me of Geeks vs Football players (Score:2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:09AM EDT (#131) |
I heard a story back in college about a couple of geeks. Seems they lived next to this football player who liked to play his stereo a little too loud. He was less than responsive to their requests to turn down the volume. So they built a tesla coil. The tesla coil was on their side of the wall. The stereo, specifically a CD player, was on the other side of the wall. I understand the football player never did find out why his CD player used to skip so much late at night.... Of course FM, and particularly AM broadcasts are far easier to interfere with. But usually one seeks to avoid that interference. And occasionally one sees a commercial broadcast station with a really bad antenna design that saturates the local area with electromagnetic radiation. In one particularly bad case, not only did *any* electronic device pick up the radio station. But illumination could be provided by placing aluminum foil antennas around the ends of fluorescent light bulbs.
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Re:Reminds me of Geeks vs Football players (Score:1) by Rick_T (charlet@innova.net_noUCE) on Friday September 10, @07:47AM EDT (#151) (User Info) http://orangesherbert.ces.clemson.edu/
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| And occasionally one sees a commercial | broadcast station with a really bad antenna | design that saturates the local area | with electromagnetic radiation. In one | particularly bad case, not only did *any* | electronic device pick up the radio station. | But illumination could be provided by placing | aluminum foil antennas around the ends of | fluorescent light bulbs. Ha! Sounds like my neighborhood. It seems to be less prevalent now, but the local AM station (1560AM, WCCP, Clemson SC, for those playing at home) would bleed into literally anything. My stereo, the phone, the answering machine. On the TV, I got patterns that changed with the announcer's voice on the station. On the answering machine, the radio station was so loud that it was impossible to hear any caller's message unless I waited until late at night when the station went off the air. I would have not been surprised if the refrigerator would have started cycling on and off with the announcer's voice. This seems to be the sort of thing the FCC is trained to ignore, by the way. :) Never did try to light a fluorescent light with the radio station, though. ;) -- Rick |
Re:Reminds me of Geeks vs Football players (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @09:55AM EDT (#177) |
| local AM station (1560AM, WCCP, Clemson SC, for those playing at home) LOL. Something has been playing havoc with my very expensive DAC connected to my CD player. The DAC works fine everywhere, except at my house, which is near WCCP. I've sent the box in for repair 3 times, before I noticed that it worked fine at my parents house (and everywhere else I've tried it since). I've wondered for over a year now what the problem could be. Thanks for the post!
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Re:Reminds me of Geeks vs Football players (Score:2, Informative) by Ronin Developer on Friday September 10, @08:16AM EDT (#160) (User Info) |
AM is easy to jam simply because of the way the information is encoded...varying the amplitude of the RF signal. This makes them vulnerable to spark gaps ( a great white noise source) and such. But, FM, on the other hand, is a bit harder to jam as it involves the deviation of a carrier wave from its base frequency. The circuitry used to detect an FM signal is, by nature, far more immune to the occassional(or continous) burst of RF energy (like a lightning discharge). To jam FM, you pretty much need to zero in on the carrier frequency and then modulate it with white noise (or similar). But, the effect is localized to a specific frequency +/- the bandwidth. Spread spectrum takes FM a bit futher by encoding the digital signals over multiple carriers. Interference on one is corrected by the redundancy of the information carried by the others. Of course, total power output is distributed among all the frequencies involved, thus a significanly shorter range. This is also why wireless LANS like spread specture.
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Re:I made something similar (Score:1) by Ronin Developer on Friday September 10, @08:03AM EDT (#158) (User Info) |
In high school, I constructed a particle accelerator for a science fair project (1982) using plexiglass tubing, iodine gas (for my ions), and a high voltage power supply (200KV) whose parts and plans I purchased from Scientific Unlimited for about $100, a coil of wire and a electrostatic lens to accelerate the ions. The coil was used to generate a magnetic field to help direct the ions (created from a point source). Cool thing was I could light up a neon bulb at 50 feet (very directional) or charge up an individual in the beam (within 6 feet) so that they had four inch sparks jumping from their body when they got near a grounded object (Larger body mass...bigger the spark!). The whole thing was originally supposed to be an ion propulsion engine using mercury ions, but I was denied access to the local university's vacuum chamber after the prof went on sabatical. So, I made something that worked under standard atmospheric conditions. Can't exactly shoot mercury ions into the atmosphere...can we? As a disclaimer, No permanent harm came to any person or equipment (current far to low), but it sure did scare a few people who thought I was nuts anyway when I said I would zap them with my ray gun (even when not plugged in). It's amazing how easy it is to scare people who don't understand the basic physics behind such contraptions. The author of this story went on to obtain a physics degree and entered military service where he got play with things that go boom in the night. Doesn't that just make you feel just swell?
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Oooh. This is great! (Score:4, Funny) by mcolin (colin@colitronix.de) on Friday September 10, @04:48AM EDT (#15) (User Info) |
Now I can finally shut down those Britney Spears sounds my neighbor is bombarding our street with. Aaaah, blissful silence!
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Re:Oooh. This is great! (Score:1) by alumshubby (alumshubby at aol dot com -- yes, AOL. Sue me! :) on Friday September 10, @05:33AM EDT (#67) (User Info) |
My pet fantasy du jour: Britney Spears with laryngitis. "Technical writers are manual laborers." BMcC (alums) |
Re:Oooh. This is great! (Score:0, Offtopic) by mcolin (colin@colitronix.de) on Friday September 10, @05:41AM EDT (#75) (User Info) |
And the difference to her voice right now would be?
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Re:Oooh. This is great! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:42AM EDT (#146) |
My pet fantasy du jour: Britney Spears with laryngitis. And mine: giving her the laryngitis (details left as an excercise for the reader).
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Who needs HERF when you have neighbors? (Score:1) by MrP- (mrp-NO@SPAM-defsoft.com) on Friday September 10, @04:48AM EDT (#16) (User Info) http://www.defsoft.com
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This HERF thing sounds week compared to my neighbors ham radio, when the guy uses it, every speaker in my house blasts his talk, tvs go crazy, and lots of electronic stuff I have just shuts off. grr damn neighbors!
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Re:Who needs HERF when you have neighbors? (Score:1) by quonsar (quonsar at kevino dot com) on Friday September 10, @04:55AM EDT (#28) (User Info) http://kevino.com/
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| Go talk to your ham radio neighbor. If he's a typical ham, he'll assist you in eliminating the interference. Now, I wonder what FCC would think about the unlicensed use of a device "pushing a 20 megawatt burst of undisciplined radio noise through an antenna." Not much, I'll wager!
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Re:Who needs HERF when you have neighbors? (Score:1) by Chuck Milam (chuck@milams.net) on Friday September 10, @05:04AM EDT (#42) (User Info) http://www.uwosh.edu/faculty_staff/milam/
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Go talk to your ham radio neighbor. If he's a typical ham, he'll assist you in eliminating the interference. Indeed, a true HAM radio operator would be eager to take steps to ensure he wasn't causing you any interference. On the other hand, if you're dealing with a CB'er running some ungodly amount of power through an illegal amplifier, you're more likely to be told to screw off...CB and HAM radio are completely different services, with completely different philosophies, kind of like the difference between Linux/BSD/Open Source Whatever OS and MS/Proprietary whatever OS... Chuck Milam - KF9FR
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Re:Who needs HERF when you have neighbors? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @04:57AM EDT (#30) |
Three letter solution to your neighbor problem: FCC
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FCC: last resort (Score:2, Informative) by MostlyHarmless (alphac@diespamdie.flashmail.com) on Friday September 10, @05:02AM EDT (#40) (User Info) http://www.sidgames.com/ac
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The FCC may or may not be able to help with the problem. They are very busy and have plenty on their hands just trying to bust the intentional interference. The FCC should only be used as a last resort; your first try should be to ask the neighbor to help you locate the problem, as quonsar said. Your neighbor should be more than happy to help. This sig recursesThis sig recursesThis sig recursesThis sig recursesThis sig recursesThis sig recursesThis sig is truncated |
Re:Who needs HERF when you have neighbors? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:39AM EDT (#74) |
Home electronic equipment must accept any interference that it receives. While your neighbor might be able to help you, it is really the company that produced the products fault. If you don't know your neighbor and he is a Ham then look him up at QRZ.com. If you don't find him then he is probably a CB'er and you can complain to the FCC.
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Nothing like pins in CO-AX to shut that CB Down (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:10AM EDT (#132) |
| Every so often the CBers get out of hand with those 500 watt amps (Max legal is 4 if I recall corectly, with 12 on the side-bands.) If he's not willing to work with you to eliminate the interference (You can usually get cheap little doohickys from Radio Shack that will fix it) find his co-ax and stick some pins in it. Clip 'em off with wire cutters and the next time he keys up he'll get all that wattage back into his radio, which his radio won't like.
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Faraday cage? (Score:2) by fReNeTiK (frenetik(at)earthling.net) on Friday September 10, @04:48AM EDT (#17) (User Info) |
I never paid attention in physics, so sorry if this is dead wrong: Wouldn't a Faraday cage around the targeted device protect it from the beam? It's supposed to block electromagentic interference, after all. -- This sig is beneath your current threshold |
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Re:Faraday cage? (Score:1) by sporty on Friday September 10, @04:59AM EDT (#34) (User Info) |
It's probably a matter over whos is more powerful... you know, like those cheezy TV shows where there is this small struggle until one gives way.
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Re:Faraday cage? (Score:2, Informative) by Svartalf (fearl@!spammers!die!airmail.net) on Friday September 10, @05:20AM EDT (#56) (User Info) http://members.xoom.com/svartalf
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A proper Faraday Cage will BLOCK the signal totally unless the HERF is exactly on of the outside of the cage. A fix for this maneuver is to have two cages nested like nesting dolls with a small distance apart. I would think that something suitably Tempest "hardened" would be immune to a HERF attack. "All we are is dust in the wind..." -- Kansas, Dust in the Wind |
Re:Faraday cage? (Score:1) by sporty on Friday September 10, @05:28AM EDT (#60) (User Info) |
I have a feeling that we might as well just use pens and pencils. Let them HERF that advanced technology.
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Re:Faraday cage? (Score:1) by t-money (tcarter@princeton.edu) on Friday September 10, @05:23AM EDT (#58) (User Info) http://www.princeton.edu/~tcarter
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You can perfectly shield out RF if you have an unbroken perfect conductor surrounding your device. In practice, the conductor isn't perfect, so some of the RF penetrates, but the bigger problem is breaks in the faraday cage (for cabling into the device, cracks around doors, etc) -- RF can squirt through these. I think that shielding can get much better. It wouldn't be too expensive a proposition to shield computers from such an attack, I think...
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Re:Faraday cage? (Score:1) by angelo (anrkngl@fubar_lm.com) on Friday September 10, @05:39AM EDT (#73) (User Info) http://www.lm.com/~anrkngl
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At the buhl science center (which was in the northside of pittsburgh, a residential area) they had a rather large (15', can't remember the wrap numbers offhand) tesla coil. When they used to fire it in the 60s they would blank out tvs for about 5-10 blocks. They retired it until they got a faraday cage. The cage is NOT a perfect conductor. It is essentially heavy chicken wire. The thing is, no radiation escapes it because it's cylindrical in shape with copper floor. What this means is the potential of an arc hitting a specific location is greatly reduced by the even surface. They have no problems with firing it anymore, even though there is a computer lab one floor down.
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Re:Faraday cage? (Score:2) by Enry (enry@wayga.net) on Friday September 10, @05:54AM EDT (#93) (User Info) http://lsah.wayga.net/
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Your computer case is already a Faraday cage. The gaps in the machine (I/O brackets and the like) are small enough to prevent the RF from getting out, and it prevents most RF from coming in. PCs that pass FCC A have to be able to accept bursts up to 4X the highest frequency in the device (i.e. 1-2Ghz range). Class B (residential) is harder to get, as the bursts are of more strength. I didn't see anything about the machines themselves. Were they plain 'ol PCs with their covers on and everything, or were they open in any way?
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Re:Faraday cage? (Score:1) by Baggio (RBeesley@ANTISPAM.computer.org) on Friday September 10, @06:38AM EDT (#115) (User Info) |
Some... this is why the screen on the microwave lets you see your food, but still cooks it. Coaxial for a TV is another great example of this concept. As long as the frequency is low enough, the signal remains in the braid. As the frequency rises, the braid is replaced with a metalic film that wraps around the core. This prevents higher frequencies from leaving the wire, but as the frequency continues to increase, event that can't hold it back. So if this device is putting out a high enough frequency, something may not be protected in a Faraday cage, but then I'm not sure how you would direct the signals either at that frequency. Baggio
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Brady Bill: HERF guns (Score:1) by dbzero on Friday September 10, @04:48AM EDT (#18) (User Info) |
: They asked if I thought they should add HERF : guns to the Brady Bill," Schwartau recalls. Bureaucrats writing laws. [sic]
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Oh No! Latest script-kiddee toy! (Score:2, Insightful) by Fish Man on Friday September 10, @04:49AM EDT (#19) (User Info) http://www.gnofn.org/~marksu/
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Criminey! Now that this has been publicised, every moronic script-kiddee is going to be riding around with one of these in the back of a pickup truck (an old one, without a computer controlled engine, presumably), letting the thing cut loose with a zap every couple of blocks. Something to be looking forward to... Yuck!
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Script-kiddee: maybe not (Score:1) by MostlyHarmless (alphac@diespamdie.flashmail.com) on Friday September 10, @04:55AM EDT (#26) (User Info) http://www.sidgames.com/ac
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I dunno... it seems to take a little more skill than your average script. Even if you get the plans for a HERF gun, you still have to know how to solder (and possibly weld; I can't tell without the plans). Anyone can copy and paste computer code, but it takes at least a tiny bit of skill to construct electrical/mechanical devices. At least the HERF gun will attract a higher class of script kiddees... :-/ This sig recursesThis sig recursesThis sig recursesThis sig recursesThis sig recursesThis sig recursesThis sig is truncated |
"Rash of local accidents traced to child hackers" (Score:3, Funny) by Hrunting (hrunting@nospam.texas.net) on Friday September 10, @04:55AM EDT (#27) (User Info) http://hrunting.home.texas.net/
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Actually, knowing all our script kiddie friends, they would probably be rolling along in their parents' brand-new Expedition or something and be trying this thing out. Somehow, I doubt a script kiddie would be smart enough to realize that it's going to affect their car as well. I can see the headlines now (and they're not getting the terminology correct)!
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All internal combustion engines (Score:1) by **SkipKent** (skipkent@usa.net) on Friday September 10, @03:27PM EDT (#200) (User Info) http://www.mp3.com/music/Alternative/10658.html
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From my understanding anyways. It affects things at the distributor level. It won't make any difference if their car has computer electronics or not.
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Uses (Score:2, Interesting) by Hermetic on Friday September 10, @04:49AM EDT (#20) (User Info) |
Of course the uses for such a device would be both good and bad. I think I want one for all of the people who drive down my street with their radios turned all the way up. BOOM...BOOM...BOOM...Bzzzzt!
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Re:Uses (Score:1) by teraflop user on Friday September 10, @04:54AM EDT (#24) (User Info) |
And neighbours in crowded streets who play their music too loud. And people on trains who play their portable stereos to loud. In fact, I can think of no useful uses against computers, but heaps against sound systems.
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Re:Uses (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:41AM EDT (#76) |
Yeah, I always did want one of those along with a laser TV remote control if you live where the houses aren't as close to each other as they were in Poltergeist.
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Cancer? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @04:51AM EDT (#21) |
Don't HERF guns give you cancer?
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Re:Cancer? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:09AM EDT (#45) |
Yes, I think that's (presumably) the reason for the parabolic reflectors, i.e to shield the user, and focus the emissions into the front of the device.
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Re:Cancer? (Score:1) by sigurd on Friday September 10, @05:57AM EDT (#95) (User Info) |
What doesn't? this must be one of the fun ways to get it:)
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Re:Cancer? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:47AM EDT (#150) |
*sigh* This depends on just _how_ "high energy" we're talking about. Unless the thing generates X-rays, NO. RF energy does NOT give you cancer, no matter what you may hear from scientifically illiterate 'fraidy-cats who are scared of living near power lines.
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A boon for Y2K consultants. (Score:3, Funny) by bob_jordan on Friday September 10, @04:52AM EDT (#22) (User Info) |
Just think what this sort of technology would be worth to y2k consultants! There you are doing your sales pitch of why a company must hire you to fix all there computers. You set the clock of one of their computers to a few seconds before 2000 and as they are busy watching the screen, all it takes is a nonchalant wave of an arm near a window and every computer in the building chrashes. Eat your heart out Dogbert. And of course if there are any companies that don't pay up, you can pay them a visit on New Years Eve and turn the power up. Bob. (Who if you can't tell, is joking)
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Imagine the possibilities (Score:4, Funny) by emag (mgurski00000@NO.pobox.SPAM.com) on Friday September 10, @04:54AM EDT (#23) (User Info) |
I've wanted to build one of these things for at least 8 years now, but have never had a) the time, b) the knowledge, c) the motivation. Especially after reading (parts of) Winn Schwarau's "Information Warfare" doorstop, I could just see the potential uses for this. Imagine one of these scenarios:
- You're driving down the highway, blissfully ignorant of the speed limit. Suddenly, you see those blue and red lights flashing behind you. Panic? You? Nah. You hit that extra button below the rear defroster, and suddenly you're in the clear. Or better yet, you let yourself get pulled over, and then while waiting to ask if there's a problem, the other car starts acting funny...
- From the book: Someone in a van drives around the computing center of a bank. Hits a button. Computers start to drool. Wait a random amount of time, do it again.
- Your (former) employer doesn't believe that they need to worry about information warfare because "the firewall will protect us." Wait for the night before a drop, or the day of a demo, and suddenly the development machines, not to mention the firewall, are dead.
As much as I'd love to have plans for one of these HERF guns, I think that it would probably make it too easy for "hardware script kiddies" to then go out and wreak havoc. What I'd really like is a reading list (preferably with difficulty ratings) on what to study to be able to design your own.
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Security/Activism device. (Score:1) by Tekmage on Friday September 10, @04:54AM EDT (#25) (User Info) http://www.plumb.org/tekmage/
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Don't know how healthy this is (heavy doses of RF being "not very"), but it certainly sounds like an effective way to neutralize eavesdropping devices. And if you want to enforce a no-vehicle zone... Instant barracade/blockade. Any guesses as to when we'll see these being used by Greenpeace?
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Re:Security/Activism device. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:18AM EDT (#52) |
Yeah, a bunch of tinkerers that never got their HAM licenses are going to be running around blind from RF burn... There has to be a more elegant antenna design... anyone want to comment about this? (I dont know much about wave propagation) Also, I remember seeing some kind of RF conduit/lens information somewhere... if I find it I will post the url.. Now.... all we have to do is get that high energy Neutron beam compleated. We can hold the world hostage for.... ONE MILLION DOLLARS (pinky to lip) -A different anonymous johnny
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Several options... (Score:3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:32AM EDT (#65) |
What you'll need is a makeshift parabolic reflector dish and something that works as a feed horn to source the signal. Something a little safer than this rube goldberg shown in the article (which, by the way, looks damned unsafe- gaps in the horns, etc... Easy way to get cateracts, leukemia, etc.) would be a coffee can and metal saucer sled combo for the antenna. The can makes for a sorry (and sloppy) feed horn, but it works and if you get the distance from the sled right, it works as expected and creates a decent columnated beam. Sloppy work, but it will point this mess more away from you than the other would.
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Re:Several options... (Score:1) by alumshubby (alumshubby at aol dot com -- yes, AOL. Sue me! :) on Friday September 10, @05:52AM EDT (#92) (User Info) |
Grasping here at another opportunity to be wrong, but I think a high-quality wok is pretty doggone close to a paraboloid. I think I'd still rather be several thousand yards away & pull the trigger by remote control, just the same. "Technical writers are manual laborers." BMcC (alums) |
Woks have odd problems... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @06:04AM EDT (#101) |
Good ones ARE parabaloid- but they're kinda smallish for this sort of thing and you can't use feed horns with that sort of thing, etc. However, I'm with you on the, "I don't want to be anywhere NEAR the damned thing when I fire it!" sentiments. Playing with microwaves is not good- all kinds of things happen to people that play with higher power microwaves that don't take proper precautions...
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UN/NATO Storm troopers (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @06:37AM EDT (#112) |
I can use this to fend off those pesky UN and NATO tanks, vehicles, etc etc. The new world order stops at my house!
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anticompetitive practises (Score:1) by hany (hanecak@NOSPAM.decef.elf.stuba.sk) on Friday September 10, @04:58AM EDT (#31) (User Info) http://fornax.elf.stuba.sk/~hany/
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| so now real anticompetitive practises can start. imagine disabling your competitor's server/network/... just for The Right Moment(tm) ... :) hany |
And in other news... (Score:2, Funny) by Johnboy (strangefocus_at(spamicide)yahoo_dot_com) on Friday September 10, @04:58AM EDT (#32) (User Info) |
Alan Cox has already started working on including anti-HERF support in the next kernel. Meanwhile, two high school students in Des Moines Iowa have demonstrated BeoHERF, a beowolf cluster of HERF guns. -- Liquor up front, poker in the rear. |
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Re:And in other news... (Score:1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:18AM EDT (#53) |
...and in Redmond, a Micro$oft spokesman attributed the latest delays in W2K to terrorists firing HERF guns. 'Well we were just about ready to burn the master CD when one of these babies went off and we lost 3 months worth of work. It was all working fine till then, honest.'
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Accuracy, Range (Score:1) by Hermetic on Friday September 10, @04:59AM EDT (#33) (User Info) |
I assume the accuracy and range could be improved by constucting better parabolic reflectors. Or, better yet, a Mag-Lite style adjustable beam. With the proper shielding on one side of the device and decent reflectors, it may well be safe to use regardless of what is around you. Computers can only simulate determinism. ~Hermetic. |
Possible use of this device (Score:5, Insightful) by Markee on Friday September 10, @05:00AM EDT (#35) (User Info) |
Everyone's afraid of a new class of terrorism that seems to be emerging. Bombing and shooting people is for dumbos. These days, smart terrorists disrupt the use of technologies like phone, cell phone and computers. This is a device for them. Imagine this device placed near a major phone line hub... within view of a cell phone transmitter... on a highway bridge, the latest "drive-by-wire" cars passing beneath it... on an airport... at a stock exchange... Devices like this, at a handy size, could be as dangerous to economics as a gun is to an individual. I wonder if there is a law against things like that.
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Re:Possible use of this device (Score:1) by Bad Mojo (mojo@nospam.rps.net) on Friday September 10, @06:03AM EDT (#100) (User Info) http://www.rps.net/mojo
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Think more complex. Let's not limit this to `terrorists'. Small countries with gorilla(sp) militaries could use this in conjuction with conventional military strikes to maximize their effectiveness. You could knock out security systems or create havoc before entering a site you want to caputure or destroy. As people start to use computer based tools defensivly, their will be more and more offensive tools designed to overcome them.
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Re:Possible use of this device (Score:1) by The Fun Guy on Friday September 10, @06:54AM EDT (#124) (User Info) http://potato.msu.edu/users/bniemira
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>I wonder if there is a law against things like that. If it becomes identified as a real threat, a new law will probably be passed and the BATF would probably enforce it. Right now, though, the FCC has existing laws against devices that interfere with other devices' functioning. The laws are meant to address unitended interference, not intentional terrorist activity, but I think they would apply. However, just because it's illegal doesn't mean it won't get built/used, especially if it's so easy to do. This actually sounds easier to make (and safer to operate) than a homemade zip gun or ammonium nitrate/fuel oil bomb. I think one of the big dangers is people using these things as a prank. I forsee the pranks costing $10,000 in damage (data loss, down time, etc.) and $100,000,000 in reactionary home Faraday cages/PC shielding for banks, hospitals, etc.
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Re:Possible use of this device (Score:0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:37AM EDT (#144) |
More crack-smoking moderators. (Score: 4, Insightful) Really? Stating the obvious is an understatement!
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There are laws.. (Score:2) by Fastolfe (david@fastolfe.net) on Friday September 10, @09:33AM EDT (#172) (User Info) http://fastolfe.net/
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You'd better bet there are laws against this kind of stuff. Firstly, there's the all-encompasing law prohibiting a device to cause harmful radio interference. Additionally, there are all sorts of federal laws prohibiting tampering with or disabling any sort of communications or electrical infrastructure equipment. I'm sure there are also dozens and dozens of other more specific laws that could be applied as well. Anyone caught doing stuff like this will *certainly* be put away for a long time.
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Implications (Score:1) by shadow0_0 on Friday September 10, @05:00AM EDT (#36) (User Info) |
This is scary. Considering the ease to built and the low cost, it is just the perfect terrorists' weapon...
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Mobile phone as a killer (Score:2, Interesting) by inburito on Friday September 10, @05:01AM EDT (#37) (User Info) |
How about a mobile phone acting as a HERF gun? Sure it's not going to be as powerful as the one described in the article, but the basic effect is the same. New digital phones emit high frequency bursts which can affect your computer. Just put one next to your monitor while you're calling someone and watch the screen start to bounce up and down. I can sure understand the concern of people with pacemakers when they get near a mobile phone. Imagine what would happen when someone with a pacemaker got near the thing described in this article. It could kill the person.
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HERF Grenade (Score:1) by Tekmage on Friday September 10, @05:12AM EDT (#47) (User Info) http://www.plumb.org/tekmage/
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Kind of like setting a Star Trek phaser on overload. Set it beside the target device, key in the burst sequence, and walk away.
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A practical application (Score:1) by ch-chuck on Friday September 10, @05:02AM EDT (#38) (User Info) |
Your 'target' has an office. You are able to rent an office with a room adjoining their server room - you can make said device on the other side of the wall which probably is transparent to emf - suddenly their PC starts 'crashing' and nobody is able to fix it ("we swapped out the whole machine and it still freezes up on us!"). Chuck
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HERF gun and the not-so-happy wannabe hacker (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:02AM EDT (#39) |
Wow, I hope Carolyn Mienel (sp?) dosent hear about this.... She is liable to call the law and have Schriner detained and questioned for a couple hours.... Oh, wait, nevermind that thing actually LOOKS like a HERF gun.... :P -An Anonymous johnny
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I think... (Score:3, Funny) by Paul_Taylor on Friday September 10, @05:04AM EDT (#41) (User Info) |
I think they forgot to mention that when the computers locked up, they were running windows. Having a HERF gun near it was entirely a coincidence.
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I'm disappointed (Score:1) by color of static (smasters@ieee.org) on Friday September 10, @05:08AM EDT (#43) (User Info) |
Reading the headline I thought it was going to include plans :-(. Actually these things are fairly easy to make if you have some experience in the frequencies used. Of course you'll probably have people descending on you fairly quickly due to all the RF services you knocked off of the air (half :-).
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... technology dating back to Tesla ... (Score:4, Informative) by Pegasus on Friday September 10, @05:10AM EDT (#46) (User Info) http://feather.dhs.org
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Finnaly someone showed this to the public. It really is an old idea, but in the world we live now, it has some interesting effects. I was tracing the development of such toys based on Nikola Tesla's ideas for a while now and found a lot of impresive stuff. Just do a quick search on "telsa weapon" and read some of the articles that pop up. One of the most scary is located at http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/bskies1[2345].html (yeah thats five parts of it). Hints about causing earthquakes with similiar technology as described in the story above. Other interesting sites are Gravity gate (http://www.starwon.com.au/~rayd/index.htm), Kelly BBS (www.kellynet.com), Tesla web ring and similiar. If you like to search a lot, you may even find hints about top secret super high tech weapons developed in Russia for knocking out satelites, which are also based on one of the Tesla's ideas and are powered by also originaly Tesla's work, improved by dr. H. Moray, the so called Moray generator. Basicaly you just set up an antenna and some electronic wizardry and you have electricity. Sounds too good to be true, but there's a story on the kellynet about how Tesla made an electric car powered by such a device. Back to the EMP stuff...does anyone have some nice information about project HAARP and similiar "experiments" all around the world? I heard somewhere that US military already developed their small EMP "bomb" for knocking out "e-criminals". I would like to take a look at one of those toys :) And the next thing would be to cover my house entirely in somekind of conductive mesh, to make more or less effective faradey cage. I feel like protecting computers and other electronic equipment will be big bussiness in the next decades.
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Re:... technology dating back to Tesla ... (Score:0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:37AM EDT (#71) |
Um, that's Keely, not Kelly... :-> Try http://www.keelynet.com instead...
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Re:... technology dating back to Tesla ... (Score:1) by svallarian (svallarian@hotmail.com) on Friday September 10, @05:42AM EDT (#79) (User Info) |
I believe the US tested out their newest EMP weapon in the recent bombing campaign in Serbia. Seems like it was a small device attached to a stealth plane...
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Re:... technology dating back to Tesla ... (Score:1) by Lovepump (lovepump@hotmail.com) on Friday September 10, @05:45AM EDT (#82) (User Info) |
| Back to the EMP stuff...does anyone have some nice information about project HAARP and similiar "experiments" all around the world? I heard somewhere that US military already developed their small EMP "bomb" for knocking out "e-criminals". Yes I do, but not with me at the moment - I've been readig a book called Major Impact (or something similar) all about asteroid impacts and PHA's (Potentially Hazardous Asteroids). Project HAARP gets several pages devoted to it. I'll see if I can dig the info out from home and follow-up in here.... Lovepump - MVS Operations Analyst. Knows weird stuff like JCL, LE/370, SPUFI, etc. |
Re:This is all St. Andrea's fault. (Score:1) by AtariDatacenter (comments@netscape.net) on Friday September 10, @06:11AM EDT (#102) (User Info) |
Reading the "bskies1" story here, if something like that actually exists, it'd be my terro-weapon of choice. Get a few of these 2-3 richter babies, shoot them all along the St. Andrea's fault, and watch California go into the ocean. :) I don't think it would be TOO bad really. I mean, it can only increase my marketability if the state of California disappears. And realators would love access to the fresh new coastline! :P
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Re:... technology dating back to Tesla ... (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @08:28AM EDT (#163) |
This has been used by the military for years, it is called jamming. For all of the claims to the contrary the internet has not produced smarter or more informed humanoids. The there is always the 20 somethings assertions that they have once again discovered the wheel. The whole article was nothing more then FUD aimed at sheep.
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broken link (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @08:39AM EDT (#164) |
Your Bright Skies link is broken. Here's a working one: http://203.23.131.20/nexus/bskies1.html
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Re:... technology dating back to Tesla ... (Score:1) by Redundant() on Friday September 10, @09:14AM EDT (#167) (User Info) |
The thing about Tesla technology is that the effects diminish with the square of the distance from the discharge. This is quite dramatic in the case of an atomic blast... In the real world unless you are talking about very sensitive equipment with large antenna the range for tesla discharge is not very impressive. I bet there are some nasty directional narrow beam weapons that have been developed but not yet declassified out there though.
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Re:... technology dating back to Tesla ... (Score:1) by Ronin Developer on Friday September 10, @10:52AM EDT (#181) (User Info) |
Your assumption is based upon a point source of RF energy. With a little ingenuity and engineering know how, you can create a set of reflectors to redirect the energy into a fairly tight beam. The resulting beam pattern doesn't follow the inverse law in the same manner as a point source (Or does it?). Perfect example is using the Aribico (sp) Radio Telescope in Puerto Rico to send radar signals deep into space. I've tried to find the equations that describe the resulting beam pattern and decay of RF signals under these conditions, but to no avail. Now, can someone tell me how it is that a pencil thin laser beam (say HeNe) can only expand to circle of 1/4 mile by the time it gets to the moon (250K miles)? Or, what law governs the power of a coherent beam at a specific point along the axis of the beam?
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Re:... technology dating back to Tesla ... (Score:1) by ars (assd@dsgml.com) on Friday September 10, @12:52PM EDT (#187) (User Info) http://www.ziplink.net/~ars/
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| In a purely directional beam (a perfect leaser) the energy doesn't diminish at all. The reason it goes down inverse square with a point source, is that the energy stays the same, but it's distributed on a bigger and bigger sphere. It has nothing to do with light, it has to do with the fact that you are spreading the light around in a (bigger and bigger) sphere. But you can spread it in most any shape you like. It's just that sphere is the easiest to do. You want to calculate energy per square metter. The number of square meters goes up. But the total energy is constant. You simply figure out how fast the number of square meters goes up per distance.
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Re:... technology dating back to Tesla ... (Score:1) by jonathanclark on Friday September 10, @12:58PM EDT (#188) (User Info) http://jonathanclark.com
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Good question. I don't know the answer. But, I'm pretty sure that simply reflecting RF energy would not cause a laser-like effect. It would probably be more like a flash-light. The image of the home-built system seems to be shaped this way for the effect of some directionism and focusing.
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Amateurs (Score:2, Interesting) by EXpunk (expunker@nospam.hungover.com) on Friday September 10, @05:18AM EDT (#54) (User Info) |
Now, the toys THIS cat creates is insane. I think his microwave gun is not shown right now, but this dude is mighty.
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Re:Amateurs (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:41AM EDT (#77) |
Yeah, that those toys are- I've got a few of his plans; scary things that DO work. He's pulled the stuff off line that he had up (I don't know whether to be relieved or disappointed- the stuff he had was unbelievable but so damned dangerous...) but the site claims to be having the fun toys back soon...
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Glubco Magnetron Info (Score:3, Interesting) by Tackhead on Friday September 10, @09:16AM EDT (#168) (User Info) |
| Agreed. (All hail Glub!) For those who haven't seen the Glubco microwave weapon, it's even simpler and cheaper than the HERF. It's also a hell of a lot more dangerous. All you do is find an old microwave oven, tear it open, and remove the magnetron and associated HV power supply circuitry. You then build a small waveguide behind it so as not to fry yourself too badly. Point and shoot. Now that I've said this, and the script-kiddies are off Darwinating themselves out of the gene pool, here's what happens to them: - Stupidity I. The capacitors in a high voltage supply on a microwave oven might not drain themselves automatically. If that happens, and the script kiddie is using both hands to play with the supply, he could fibrillate and die on the spot.
- Stupidity II: If he's using one hand to play with the supply, when he gets zapped, he scrapes his hand to hell when jumping away from the shock. A Dejanews search on why you have to discharge the anode of a TV set before working on the tube will provide much amusement.
- Stupidity III: All the nasty 120VAC bits are exposed, and our script kiddie doesn't use an isolation transformer, or does something similarly stupid. Bzzt, game over, thanks for playing.
As you can see, it's easy to weed out a good chunk of the script kiddie population before they even finish building the damn thing. Now, suppose they survive this long... - Leakage. They get internal burns because the waveguide wasn't built well enough. Visions of fingers turned into fried chicken wings come to mind as someone makes a waveguide that's short and easily-concealable, but that accidentally gives very wide dispersion.
- Reflection. More of the same. Y'know how your microwave oven works? Script kiddie points magnetron at a metal wall.
- Fire. Ever throw a CD in a microwave and not turn the microwave off after the pretty light show? The CD starts to smoke and burn. I'd imagine it'd be very easy to get the same thing to happen with the house wiring. And downright trivial to get it to happen to the traces on any printed circuit board.
If I had to put money on it, I'd say the RF burns would be the most horrific side-effect of a kid playing with the Glubco magnetron weapon, but that the most probably side-effect would be that he burns down his own house while beta-testing it. Moral of the story: It's a cool idea. And in a situation of civil disorder (East Timor, anyone?) might be a handy field-expedient terror weapon - plug it into a wall socket in the target building, turn it on, and get the hell out of dodge while everything burns. For anything else, it's merely a quick and easy ticket out of the gene pool. Just like the bogus recipies in the "Anarchist's Cookbook", think of it as evolution in action.
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Glubco Magnetron "gun" (Score:1) by ct on Friday September 10, @01:47PM EDT (#193) (User Info) http://127.0.0.1
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For those who didn't have the chance to see this device before it was pulled a few months ago, it truly was nasty - and from the tone of the accompanying commentary, scared the living piss out of the glubco creator. While being quite candid with his/their other experiments - this one expressly stated that he would offer absolutely no advice/information/etc on how to create or use the device, other than the fact that some of the parts came from a microwave, as well as several old televisions. The included photos showed a large (non-portable) device on the floor which focused the magnetron through a length of (I believe) pvc piping. The target it was tested on appeared to be both melting and burning simultaneously, though I couldn't discern what it originally was. I believe the author started the article with a quote (from N.Tesla?) that went something like this: "Each night I pray that I never suffer the experience of internal burns", followed by the author's commentary along the lines of "after creating this device, I now pray the same". Bottom line is, this is not some mischevious dry ice bomb to fuck with on a slow afternoon.
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Glubco Magnetron **(old semi-working links)** (Score:1) by ct on Friday September 10, @03:15PM EDT (#198) (User Info) http://127.0.0.1
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| It took alot of digging, but here's the here's the pre-Glubco-domain pages. Not much I could do to find the images anywhere - the /graphics dirs of both glubco and wpi.edu have been emptied. :/ Original Magnetron page Original Railgun Page Original Oxygen Cannon Page
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Re:Glubco Magnetron "gun" (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @03:16PM EDT (#199) |
No kidding...I saw some subsequent tests that would scare the piss out of me. Someone turned one of the bad boys on a (dead)chicken and cooked it on a table in the middle of a field! Now think about the implications of someone turning that on you as you walked down the street? Feeling your insides cook? I will take a bullet over that, thank you very much
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hmm (Score:3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:23AM EDT (#57) |
Alright, a few points to clear some things up. Most of you won't realize this from the article, but these HERF guns are very low range. The gun has to be within a very minimal amount of feet to accomplish anything. Another thing, the gun is huge. If you were to make a high powered gun, it'd be even bigger. So your thinkin', "Well, I'll just lug it around in my car." Wrong, if you do, expect nothing on your car to work when you get done firing the thing at a couple of computers. It'll fry the computer in your car as well as the "enemies" computers. If you happen to get a car thats old enough not to have a computer in it, a high powered HERF gun will even fry the actual wiring. These HERF guns are very neat, but not practical yet. I hope someday we can actually build something that has some practicallity, and do the same as this lovely tool.
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Re:hmm (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:51AM EDT (#91) |
Case for driving an opressivly large and powerful 70's carborated muscle car. in fact... I am thinking Chevy El Camino, 454, 850CFM intake, velocity stacks, open headers (dont forget the vestigal sidepipes), and a HUGE "Sex, Drugs, and Internet" logo on the hood. -johnny
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Re:hmm (Score:1) by FroBugg (bugg@SPAMEGGSAUSAGESPAMhotmail.com) on Friday September 10, @07:23AM EDT (#139) (User Info) |
Bah. Thats why I drove a real old pickup with next to no electronics on it. I got plenty of room on the bed, and firing that thing would probably kill my stereo but nothing else. And fry the actual wiring? I've got more wires in my old walkman than are in that truck.
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I did this on a small scale years ago (Score:1) by Jimhotep on Friday September 10, @05:29AM EDT (#62) (User Info) |
It was about 1985 or so. A woman at work had a lighter that generated a spark to light the gas. She gave it to me and I promptly took it apart. One day I was sitting close to my Osborne and playing with it, the old Os reset itself. I thought to myself, damn!
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Seen it before (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:33AM EDT (#66) |
Oh, come on. The Doctor was using homemade electronics-disabling devices on Daleks back in 1963. A battery and some bits of an old electric heater - all you need to see off an alien invasion.
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Re:Seen it before (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:50AM EDT (#90) |
Yeah, the Doctor produced tons of innovations that he was never acknowledged for. The Daleks, Master, Cyberment, et. al. were equally innovative. After all, weren't the Daleks actually the first Beowulf cluster (collective contieousness).
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Its a tesla coil with a director/reflector antenna (Score:5, Informative) by anticypher (cypherpunks@anti.co.uk) on Friday September 10, @05:36AM EDT (#70) (User Info) http://127.214.19.3/index.html
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All this guy has done is built a simple pulsed DC Tesla coil using some sort of vibrator and a huge step-up transformer. Lots of people have done that, its nothing new. He'd have to have at least three stages of RLC circuits to get an efficient power coupling into the antenna and then radiated off into the ether (maybe he has, it doesn't show in the photo). Yes, it can be done by winding your own coils, and buying an old 20kV capacitor from an electric company auction or scrap dealer. Then you would have a very effective disruptor of unprotected electronics (but not likely to cause permanent damage except with a proximity of a few inches). Making it highly directional is left as an exercise for the student ;-) Years ago I helped tune a HUGE multi-stage step up system to duplicate the experiments of Nikola Tesla (sending spark gap morse code). This guy had built it into his garage, and had collected huge old power supplies from an old AM radio station to power it. We tested it briefly for a few seconds each evening. Whenever we worked on it, one of his cooler neighbors came over to play with it as well. Seems that every time it was switched on, all radio and cable TV reception in the area was overpowered. Fluorescent lights glowed up to 30 feet away, and nearby computers would crash. For a few months there were cable TV trucks patrolling his neighborhood with all kinds of detecting/directional antennas looking for the source of the HERF (he kept it off most of the time), eventually they posted reward notices on phone poles in the area. He dismantled his whole setup and moved it that day (his house has never been cleaner :-). Cops came around the next day with a search warrant, didn't find anything and left. Now he only does his experiments in an old barn in the middle of nowhere, with no electical lines nearby. Any cars driving near the place stall and the CD player will skip, and he advises leaving all credit cards and watches somewhere else when visiting. I think some day he will actually discover zero-point energy or tap into the earth's natural resonance of 12Hz. I cringe when I think of how this idea will be mutilated by the movie industry. A HERF gun that looks like an M16 or a .45 caliber pistol and shoots star-wars-like bolts of light, or the death ray in "Revenge of the Pink Panther", or the size of a packet of cigarets with some big LED numbers counting down with an audible click. the AC
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Re:Its a tesla coil with a director/reflector ante (Score:1) by hey! on Friday September 10, @09:56AM EDT (#178) (User Info) |
You don't need to root around in surplus shops for the capacitor. A piece of plate glass (a storm window will do nicely) and some aluminum foil should do the trick. If you could set up a pretty good reflector for the thing to direct the energy, you could probably kill somebody with a pacemaker. ---- In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice they're different. |
Re:Its a tesla coil with a director/reflector ante (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @01:02PM EDT (#189) |
He'd have to have at least three stages of RLC circuits to get an efficient power coupling into the antenna and then radiated off into the ether (maybe he has, it doesn't show in the photo). Yes, it can be done by winding your own coils, and buying an old 20kV capacitor from an electric company auction or scrap dealer. Then you would have a very effective disruptor of unprotected electronics (but not likely to cause permanent damage except with a proximity of a few inches). Making it highly directional is left as an exercise for the student ;-) Making it higly directional would just require a very smooth parabolic mirror similar to the one inside of a car's headlight. Put the source of the radiation and the vertex of the mirror and head to Seattle. I'm not creative enough to come up with a signature
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Security anyone? (Score:0) by L0rdV4der (kmescher_nospam@vt.edu) on Friday September 10, @05:42AM EDT (#80) (User Info) http://205.241.209.124
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Anyone thought of the real terrorist (bombs, etc) uses of this? 1. Terrorist drives up to building in van (non-electronic van). 2. Terrorist turns on HERF 3. Security system? Somehow, it doesn't seem to be working right now...maybe it was running Windoze. Other fun uses: 1. Electronic spy cameras (the ones you can hide in smoke detectors)? Zap...not anymore. (whoops, my finger slipped) 2. Bad ISP getting on your nerves? Zap. Problem solved. 3. Found out where a spammer lives? Zap. No more spam. 4. How about those noisy neighbors above you, who don't understand the word "courtesy". You hear their subwoofer booming on your ceiling (and breaking things) Zap. Hmm....the party upstairs seems to have died. Nobody messes with Me. I am Me. Visit my web site for fun and excitement! SEE! The amazing pictures on the projects page! SEE! The cool animation at the bottom of the projects page (sorry that it's 10 megs) SEE! Me..... in..... space...... (insert Mel Brooks' tune here)
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Re:Security anyone? (Score:0) by Jimhotep on Friday September 10, @05:46AM EDT (#84) (User Info) |
you sound like a "cool dude" my karma is showing
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Not new news (Score:3, Insightful) by joq (sil@antioffline.com) on Friday September 10, @05:45AM EDT (#83) (User Info) http://www.AntiOffline.com
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Now Microwave mind control would've been a bomb ass topic
For hundreds of years, sci-fi writers have imagined weapons that might use energy waves or pulses to knock out, knock down, or otherwise disable enemies--without necessarily killing them. And for a good 40 years the U.S. military has quietly been pursuing weapons of this sort. Much of this work is still secret, and it has yet to produce a usable "nonlethal" weapon. But now that the cold war has ended and the United States is engaged in more humanitarian and peacekeeping missions, the search for weapons that could incapacitate people without inflicting lethal injuries has intensified. Police, too, are keenly interested. Scores of new contracts have been let, and scientists, aided by government research on the "bioeffects" of beamed energy, are searching the electromagnetic and sonic spectrums for wavelengths that can affect human behavior. Recent advancements in miniaturized electronics, power generation, and beam aiming may finally have put such pulse and beam weapons on the cusp of practicality, some experts say. Weapons already exist that use lasers, which can temporarily or permanently blind enemy soldiers. So-called acoustic or sonic weapons, like the ones in the aforementioned lab, can vibrate the insides of humans to stun them, nauseate them, or even "liquefy their bowels and reduce them to quivering diarrheic messes," according to a Pentagon briefing. Prototypes of such weapons were recently considered for tryout when U.S. troops intervened in Somalia. Other, stranger effects also have been explored, such as using electromagnetic waves to put human targets to sleep or to heat them up, on the microwave-oven principle. Scientists are also trying to make a sonic cannon that throws a shock wave with enough force to knock down a man. While this and similar weapons may seem far-fetched, scientists say they are natural successors to projects already underway--beams that disable the electronic systems of aircraft, computers, or missiles, for instance. "Once you are into these antimateriel weapons, it is a short jump to antipersonnel weapons," says Louis Slesin, editor of the trade journal Microwave News. That's because the human body is essentially an electrochemical system, and devices that disrupt the electrical impulses of the nervous system can affect behavior and body functions. But these programs--particularly those involving antipersonnel research--are so well guarded that details are scarce. "People [in the military] go silent on this issue," says Slesin, "more than any other issue. People just do not want to talk about this." Projects underway. To learn what the Pentagon has been doing, U.S. News talked to more than 70 experts and scoured biomedical and engineering journals, contracts, budgets, and research proposals. The effort to develop exotic weapons is surprising in its range. Scores of projects are underway, most with funding of several hundred thousand dollars each. One Air Force lab plans to spend more than $100 million by 2003 to research the "bioeffects" of such weaponry. The benefits of bloodless battles for soldiers and law enforcement are obvious. But the search for new weapons--cloaked as they are in secrecy--faces hurdles. One is the acute skepticism of many conventional-weapons experts. "It is interesting technology but it won't end bloodshed and wars," says Harvey Sapolsky, director of the Security Studies Program at MIT. Says Charles Bernard, a former Navy weapons-research director: "I have yet to see one of these ray gun things that actually works." And if they do work, other problems arise: Some so-called nonlethal weapons could end up killing rather than just disabling victims if used at the wrong range. Others may easily be thwarted by shielding. Sterner warnings come from ethicists. Years ago the world drafted conventions and treaties to attempt to set rules for the use of bullets and bombs in war. But no treaties govern the use of unconventional weapons. And no one knows what will happen to people exposed to them over the long term. Moreover, medical researchers worry that their work on such things as the use of electromagnetic waves to stimulate hearing in the deaf or to halt seizures in epileptics might be used to develop weaponry. In fact, the military routinely has approached the National Institutes of Health for research information. "DARPA [Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency] has come to us every few years to see if there are ways to incapacitate the central nervous system remotely," Dr. F. Terry Hambrecht, head of the Neural Prosthesis Program at NIH, told U.S. News. "But nothing has ever come of it," he said. "That is too science fiction and far-fetched." Still, the Pentagon plans to conduct human testing with lasers and acoustics in the future, says Charles Swett, an assistant for Special Operations and Low-Intensity Conflict. Swett insists that the testing will be constrained and highly ethical. It may not be far off. The U.S. Air Force expects to have microwave weapons by the year 2015 and other nonlethal weaponry sooner. "When that does happen," warns Steven Metz, professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Army War College, "I think there will be a public uproar. We need an open debate on them now." Laser ethics What happened with U.S. forces in Somalia foreshadows the impending ethical dilemmas. In early 1995, some U.S. marines were supplied with so-called dazzling lasers. The idea was to inflict as little harm as possible if Somalis turned hostile. But the marines' commander then decided that the lasers should be "de-tuned" to prevent the chance of their blinding citizens. With their intensity thus diminished, they could be used only for designating or illuminating targets. On March 1, 1995, commandos of U.S. Navy SEAL Team 5 were positioned at the south end of Mogadishu airport. At 7 a.m., a technician from the Air Force's Phillips Laboratory, developer of the lasers, used one to illuminate a Somali man armed with a rocket-propelled grenade. A SEAL sniper shot and killed the Somali. There was no question the Somali was aiming at the SEALs. But the decision not to use the laser to dazzle or temporarily blind the man irks some of the nonlethal-team members. "We were not allowed to disable these guys because that was considered inhumane," said one. "Putting a bullet in their head is somehow more humane?" Despite such arguments, the International Red Cross and Human Rights Watch have since led a fight against antipersonnel lasers. In the fall of 1995, the United States signed a treaty that prohibits the development of lasers designed "to cause permanent blindness." Still, laser weapons are known to have been developed by the Russians, and proliferation is a big concern. Also, the treaty does not forbid dazzling or "glare" lasers, whose effects are temporary. U.S. military labs are continuing work in this area, and commercial contractors are marketing such lasers to police. Acoustic pain The next debate may well focus on acoustic or sonic weapons. Benign sonic effects are certainly familiar, ranging from the sonic boom from an airplane to the ultrasound instrument that "sees" a baby in the uterus. The military is looking for something less benign--an acoustic weapon with frequencies tunable all the way up to lethal. Indeed, Huntington Beach-based Scientific Applications & Research Associates Inc. (SARA) has built a device that will make internal organs resonate: The effects can run from discomfort to damage or death. If used to protect an area, its beams would make intruders increasingly uncomfortable the closer they get. "We have built several prototypes," says Parviz Parhami, SARA's CEO. Such acoustic fences, he says, could be deployed today. He estimates that five to 10 years will be needed to develop acoustic rifles and other more exotic weapons, but adds, "I have heard people as optimistic as one to two years." The military also envisions acoustic fields being used to control riots or to clear paths for convoys. SARA's acoustic devices have already been tested at the Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base, near the company's Huntington Beach office. And they were considered for Somalia. "We asked for acoustics," says one nonlethal weapons expert who was there. But the Department of Defense said, "No," since they were still untested. The Pentagon feared they could have caused permanent injury to pregnant women, the old, or the sick. Parhami sees acoustics "as just one more tool" for the military and law enforcement. "Like any tool, I suppose this can be abused," he says. "But like any tool, it can be used in a humane and ethical way." Toward the end of World War II, the Germans were reported to have made a different type of acoustic device. It looked like a large cannon and sent out a sonic boomlike shock wave that in theory could have felled a B-17 bomber. In the mid-1940s, the U.S. Navy created a program called Project Squid to study the German vortex technology. The results are unknown. But Guy Obolensky, an American inventor, says he replicated the Nazi device in his laboratory in 1949. Against hard objects the effect was astounding, he says: It could snap a board like a twig. Against soft targets like people, it had a different effect. "I felt like I had been hit by a thick rubber blanket," says Obolensky, who once stood in its path. The idea seemed to founder for years until recently, when the military was intrigued by its nonlethal possibilities. The Army and Navy now have vortex projects underway. The SARA lab has tested its prototype device at Camp Pendleton, one source says. Electromagnetic heat The Soviets were known to have potent blinding lasers. They were also feared to have developed acoustic and radio-wave weapons. The 1987 issue of Soviet Military Power, a cold war Pentagon publication, warned that the Soviets might be close to "a prototype short-range tactical RF [radio frequency] weapon." The Washington Post reported that year that the Soviets had used such weapons to kill goats at 1 kilometer's range. The Pentagon, it turns out, has been pursuing similar devices since the 1960s. Typical of some of the more exotic proposals are those from Clay Easterly. Last December, Easterly--who works at the Health Sciences Research Division of Oak Ridge National Laboratory--briefed the Marine Corps on work he had conducted for the National Institute of Justice, which does research on crime control. One of the projects he suggested was an electromagnetic gun that would "induce epilepticlike seizures." Another was a "thermal gun [that] would have the operational effect of heating the body to 105 to 107" degrees Fahrenheit. Such effects would bring on discomfort, fevers, or even death. But, unlike the work on blinding lasers and acoustic weapons, progress here has been slow. The biggest problem is power. High-powered microwaves intended to heat someone standing 200 yards away to 105 degrees Fahrenheit may kill someone standing 10 yards away. On the other hand, electromagnetic fields weaken quickly with distance from the source. And beams of such energy are difficult to direct to their target. Mission Research Corp. of Albuquerque, N.M., has used a computer model to study the ability of microwaves to stimulate the body's peripheral nervous system. "If sufficient peripheral nerves fire, then the body shuts down to further stimulus, producing the so-called stun effect," an abstract states. But, it concludes, "the ranges at which this can be done are only a few meters." Nonetheless, government laboratories and private contractors are pursuing numerous similar programs. A 1996 Air Force Scientific Advisory Board report on future weapons, for instance, includes a classified section on a radio frequency or "RF Gunship." Other military documents confirm that radio-frequency antipersonnel weapons programs are underway. And the Air Force's Armstrong Laboratory at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas is heavily engaged in such research. According to budget documents, the lab intends to spend more than $110 million over the next six years "to exploit less-than-lethal biological effects of electromagnetic radiation for Air Force security, peacekeeping, and war-fighting operations." Low-frequency sleep From 1980 to 1983, a man named Eldon Byrd ran the Marine Corps Nonlethal Electromagnetic Weapons project. He conducted most of his research at the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda, Md. "We were looking at electrical activity in the brain and how to influence it," he says. Byrd, a specialist in medical engineering and bioeffects, funded small research projects, including a paper on vortex weapons by Obolensky. He conducted experiments on animals--and even on himself--to see if brain waves would move into sync with waves impinging on them from the outside. (He found that they would, but the effect was short lived.) By using very low frequency electromagnetic radiation--the waves way below radio frequencies on the electromagnetic spectrum--he found he could induce the brain to release behavior-regulating chemicals. "We could put animals into a stupor," he says, by hitting them with these frequencies. "We got chick brains--in vitro--to dump 80 percent of the natural opioids in their brains," Byrd says. He even ran a small project that used magnetic fields to cause certain brain cells in rats to release histamine. In humans, this would cause instant flulike symptoms and produce nausea. "These fields were extremely weak. They were undetectable," says Byrd. "The effects were nonlethal and reversible. You could disable a person temporarily," Byrd hypothesizes. "It [would have been] like a stun gun." Byrd never tested any of his hardware in the field, and his program, scheduled for four years, apparently was closed down after two, he says. "The work was really outstanding," he grumbles. "We would have had a weapon in one year." Byrd says he was told his work would be unclassified, "unless it works." Because it worked, he suspects that the program "went black." Other scientists tell similar tales of research on electromagnetic radiation turning top secret once successful results were achieved. There are clues that such work is continuing. In 1995, the annual meeting of four-star U.S. Air Force generals--called CORONA--reviewed more than 1,000 potential projects. One was called "Put the Enemy to Sleep/Keep the Enemy From Sleeping." It called for exploring "acoustics," "microwaves," and "brain-wave manipulation" to alter sleep patterns. It was one of only three projects approved for initial investigation. Direct contact As the military continues its search for nonlethal weapons, one device that works on contact has already hit the streets. It is called the "Pulse Wave Myotron." A sales video shows it in action. A big, thuggish-looking "criminal" approaches a well-dressed woman. As he tries to choke her, she touches him with a white device about the size of a pack of cigarettes. He falls to the floor in a fetal position, seemingly paralyzed but with eyes open, and he does not recover for minutes. "Contact with the Myotron," says the narrator, "feels like millions of tiny needles are sent racing through the body. This is a result of scrambling the signals from the motor cortex region of the brain," he says. "It is horrible," says William Gunby, CEO of the company that developed the Myotron. "It is no toy." The Myotron overrides voluntary--but not involuntary--muscle movements, so the victim's vital functions are maintained. Sales are targeted at women, but law enforcement officers and agencies--including the Arizona state police and bailiffs with the New York Supreme Court--have purchased the device, Gunby says. A special model built for law enforcement, called the Black Widow, is being tested by the FBI, he says. "I hope they don't order a lot soon," he adds. "The Russian government just ordered 100,000 of them, and I need to replenish my stock." The U.S. military also has shown interest in the Myotron. "About the time of the gulf war, I got calls from people in the military," recalls Gunby. "They asked me about bonding the Myotron's pulse wave to a laser beam so that everyone in the path of the laser would collapse." While it could not be done, Gunby says, he nonetheless was warned to keep quiet. "I was told that these calls were totally confidential," he says, "and that they would completely deny it if I ever mentioned it." Some say such secrecy is necessary in new-weapons development. But others think it is a mistake. "Because the programs are secret, the sponsorship is low level, and the technology is unconventional," says William Arkin of Human Rights Watch Arms Project, "the military has not done any of the things to determine if the money is being well spent or the programs are a good idea." It should not be long before the evidence is in.
Original article written by: By Douglas Pasternak
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Re:Not new news (Score:0) by Jimhotep on Friday September 10, @05:49AM EDT (#89) (User Info) |
thou shalt not kill but you can mame all you want to! my karma is showing
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Re:Not new news (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:01AM EDT (#127) |
Please--If you're going to post something that long, write it up elsewhere and post a URL. Everyone's much happier that way.
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Ludicrous warfare, human weakness for groupthink.. (Score:0) by cynicthe on Friday September 10, @07:30AM EDT (#140) (User Info) |
Great imagine this on a rainy day: War without end. "Honey, I'm goin to war agin. Anything you want me to tell that worthless Eurasian, I mean Eastasian, uncle of yours this time?" "Just tell him I'll see him in four years. Same time same day of the year." Granted since no one dies, you can't really have people surrender, just bored to death. Which means the word victory must be redefined again, and again. And if the Army pays for transportation, talk about free flights. You know, if people had the wit of older generations when they were our age this would rule. Imagine getting a free flight to a so-called target then everyone in every army blows off their politicians by going AWOL. Consider Denmark when Germany ordered all Jews to wear yellow markers. Everyone in Denmark wore yellow markers. (For the slow, not everyone in Denmark was a Jew. And for the really dumb, no they did not meet weekly in some town hall to discuss options and strategies. They all did it on their own. But the general US population doesn't quite measure up to such a task. This is the true power of individuality. All those groupthinkers foaming at the mouth about community effectiveness need to get a clue.) So that's what laser tag was for. Desensitization. However, thanks to the overflow of galactic dramas on TV, any country developing this would look ridiculous. I mean already it's hard enough to arouse public interest in Near Earth Objects.
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Eliminating Competition (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:48AM EDT (#86) |
I've always thought that one of these would be a nice way of getting ahead in business. What, you say our competitor will get his release out a few weeks before ours? No problem. The international terrorism aspects have struck me as being overblown. I'd guess the first incident could be something like a domestic group detonating an EMP device on the campus of a high profile high technology company somewhere in the Northwest. Such an incident could dramatically change corporate IT strategies. Hardened machines may will be purchased, but the majority of the money will be spent on centralized hardened data warehouses.
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Microsoft. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @02:27PM EDT (#195) |
Microsoft's buildings are Shielded. Cell phones, pagers, etc won't work inside them. All important data is backed up on multiple continents. all that could be lost is the cash value of the machines, and some non critical unbacked up documents on personal hard drives. The next day a fleet of FedEx truck would roll in with new machines, and the FBI, and probably the NSA (who wonder who the next target would be) would be after whoever did it.
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HERF all spammers! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @05:55AM EDT (#94) |
Is there a group out there that tracks known spammers? Just track them down and use this to eliminate the spam. Awesome!
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Very informative document (Score:2) by joq (sil@antioffline.com) on Friday September 10, @06:00AM EDT (#98) (User Info) http://www.AntiOffline.com
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Sorry for the c&pastin but I thought it was very informative doc.
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Weapons of Mass Destruction Statement by Victor Sheymov ComShield Corporation before the Joint Economic Committee United States Congress Wednesday, May 20, 1998 "The Low Energy Radio Frequency Weapons Threat to Critical Infrastructure" Mr. Chairman, members of the Committee, I thank you for your concern and attention to the problem of terrorism, to the potential exploit of latest technological achievements of this country by terrorists and other criminal groups. I also would like to thank you for this opportunity to bring attention to a potentially dangerous and costly impact of the possible use of radio frequency (RF) weapons by terrorists and criminals. Special uses of RF technology were a major part of my 27 years of involvement in intelligence, security, and technology matters, and I would like to share my knowledge and experience into this are which is often misunderstood and largely ignored. I have somewhat split responsibility in this open hearing: I want to shed some light on the problem but, at the same time, to avoid revealing crucial information to the terrorists who undoubtedly are tuned in. Within the wide ranging means of Information Warfare (IW), one of the prominent places belongs to IW attacks on computers and computer-based equipment. Leaving physical destruction of computers aside, the IW attacks on computers could be classified as attacks through legitimate gateways of the computer such as the modem and the keyboard (software attacks), and attacks through other than legitimate gateways (backdoor attacks). At the current technological level, backdoor attacks can be carried out mainly by utilizing radio frequency (RF) technology and thus can be classified as RF attacks. Vulnerability of computers to software attacks is widely recognized, and efforts with substantial funding are underway with the goal of developing protective technology to neutralize such attacks. The backdoor attacks, on the other hand, have little official recognition, and adequate efforts to develop adequate protective technology do not seem to have taken place. One premise underlies many special applications of RF technology and is based on a principal that any wire or electronic component is, in fact, an unintended antenna, both transmitting and receiving. Importantly, every such unintended antenna is particularly responsive to its specific resonance frequency, and to some extent, to several related frequencies. It is not responsive to all other frequencies under normal conditions. If an objective is to eavesdrop on the device, then the EM emanations coming from functioning components of the device are received by highly sensitive receiving equipment and processed in order to duplicate information handled by the device. If an objective is to influence the device's functioning, then appropriate RF signals are transmitted to the targeted device. That RF signal, being received by pertinent components of the device, would generate a corresponding signal within the device. Producing and transmitting a signal which would effectively control the targeted device through a "back door" attack is an extremely difficult task that requires technology and expertise available only in two or three countries is the world. At the same time, producing and transmitting a signal which would just disrupt the normal functioning of the target devise is a much simpler technological task. It can be classified as a jamming "back door" attack, or jamming RF attack. Conceivably, it can be done by a large number of parties. Jamming RF attacks can utilize either high energy radio frequency (HERF), or low energy radio frequency (LERF) technology. HERF is advanced technology, practical applications of which are still being developed. It is based on concentrating large amounts of RF EM energy in within a small space, narrow frequency range and a very short period of time. The result of such concentration is an overpowering RF EM impulse capable of causing substantial damage to electronic components. The HERF impulse is strong enough to damage electronics components irrespective of their specific resonance frequencies. LERF technology utilizes relatively low energy, which is spread over a wide frequency spectrum. It can, however, be no less effective in disrupting normal functioning of computers as the HERF due to high probability that its wide spectrum contains frequencies matching resonance frequencies of critical components. Generally, the LERF approach does not require time compression, nor does it utilize high-tech components. This technology is not new and well known, albeit to limited circles of experts in some exotic subjects, such as Tempest protection. LERF impact on computers and computer networks could be devastating. One of the dangerous aspects of a LERF attack on a computer is that an unprotected computer would go into a "random output mode". This simply means that it is impossible to predict what the computer would do. The malfunction could differ from a single easily correctable processing error to a total loss of its memory and operating system, to giving a destructive command given to controlled by computer equipment. Furthermore, differently from a simple computer failure, any level of redundancy cannot solve the problem. This point is rarely realized by computer users with the assumption that a back-up computer provides a comfortable level of safety. This is certainly not true in regard to a LERF attack. U.S. military puts high priority on minimizing collateral damage and applies high requirements to its weapons systems' accuracy. HERF weapons' accuracy is relatively high, but it is not yet quite up to the military requirements. But this certainly is not a deterrence for terrorists because collateral damage is what they are usually after in the first place. Considering known utilization of latest technology by terrorists and drug cartels around the world, it is likely that HERF technology can be obtained and used by these criminal enterprises in near time, possibly even before it finds its wide acceptance within the military. Differently from HERF, LERF weapons are notoriously inaccurate, virtually by definition. LERF weapons' impact on computers is devastating and highly indiscriminate. A very high percentage of computers within an effective range of a utilized LERF weapon will malfunction. This is very likely to make these weapons an attractive choice for terrorists. While HERF weapons were substantially covered during this Committee hearing on this subject in February of 1998, some details of LERF weapons seem to be worth discussing. Contrary to a popular belief, different kinds of LERF weapons have already been used over the years, primarily in Eastern Europe. For instance, during the Czechoslovakian invasion in 1968, the Soviet military received advanced notice that Czechoslovakian anti-Communist activists had been wary of relying on the telephone communications controlled by the government, and prepared to use radio transceivers to communicate between their groups for coordination of their resistance efforts. During the invasion Soviet military utilized RF jamming aircraft from the Soviet air force base in Stryi, Western Ukraine. The aircraft were flying over Czechoslovakia, jamming all the radio spectrum, with the exception of a few narrow pre-determined "windows" of RF spectrum utilized by the invading Soviet army. This measure was successful, effectively nullifying communications between the Czechoslovakian resistance groups. Another example of a LERF attack was the KGB's manipulation of the United States Embassy security system in Moscow in the mid-80s. This was done in the course of the KGB operation against the Embassy which targeted the U.S. marines there. The security system alarm was repeatedly falsely triggered by the KGB's induced RF interference several times during the night. This was an attempt to annoy and fatigue the marines and to cause the turning of the "malfunctioning" system off. Additional example of an RF attack was when the KGB used it to induce fire in one of the equipment rooms in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow in 1977. A malfunction was forced on a piece of equipment. It caught fire, which spread over a sensitive area of the Embassy. The KGB tried to infiltrate its bugging technicians into the sensitive area under the cover of the firefighters who arrived immediately after the fire started. A similar event occurred at the British embassy in Moscow several years earlier. These examples illustrate a much more advanced use of RF technology than a simple disruption of computers in a radius of several hundred yards from the unleashed "RF bomb". An example of such a device was designed and built by the KGB in late 70-s. The device was built for completely different purpose and was not used to disrupt computers. However, its potential as an "RF bomb" was clearly realized at the time. Its reference cost was within one hundred dollars, size of about a shoe box, and it could be easily assembled within two-three hours with general purpose tools and components readily available in an average electrical store. The only obstacle on the way of this technology to terrorists' arsenals is a know-how, fortunately limited to a small number of experts in a few countries. However, some of these experts are experiencing very difficult economic conditions in Russia. On the other hand, a sizable cash offer tempting to these experts could come from any of the well funded terrorist groups at any time. This situation seems to indicate that relying on these two potentially explosive components remaining separate from each other is less than wise. Being a technological leader of the world, the United States has been vulnerable to an RF attack more than any other country for some time. This vulnerability significantly increased during last fifteen years with wide utilization of computers in every aspect of this country's functioning. At this time it is very difficult to find an area which would not rely heavily on computers. In fact, this country is so dependent on computers that many even vital functions cannot be performed manually. At the same time, it is important to realize that all those computers performing important and vital services are not protected from an RF attack. Areas like air traffic control, commercial airliners, energy and water distribution systems, and disaster and emergency response services represent attractive targets for terrorists. At the same time these systems are totally open to an RF attack. By the nature of computers and computer networks, the failure of one sub-system would trigger a snow-balling effect with second, third, and following chain failures. The full effect of such an event is difficult even to predict, lest to neutralize, unless computers and computer networks are reliably protected against RF weapons. A serious RF attack on critical infrastructure would have an impact of national level with numerous losses of life and incalculable economic damage. Besides the show-balling effect of computer failures, there could be a crippling effect if RF weapons used in concert with any other type of terrorist attack. Most of the responses to other forms of terrorist attacks are designed with the assumption that the computers of the response service are working and such functions as traffic control are intact. With an additional RF attack, concerted with the primary one, this assumption is not valid. Communications and transportation of the response teams could be crippled with a tragic impact on rescue efforts. Even a single limited and attack could have serious consequences. For instance, an attack on computers of financial markets could have a world-wide implications with losses easily reaching multi-billion levels. In addition to intentional RF interference, current technological developments lead to a problem of unintentional RF interference. Indeed, with the speed of modern computers and their miniaturization advancing at a rapid pace, their working frequency and sensitivity to RF emanations is also increasing. This leads to unavoidable interference conflicts, some of which have already shown themselves and led to an intermediary solution of regulatory nature. For instance, even barely emanating electronic equipment such as lap-top computers and electronic games needs to be turned off during take-off and landing of commercial airliners. Another aspect of offensive RF technology is its traditional application in information intercept or eavesdropping. Traditionally, the Soviet Union and Russia have placed high priority on the development and use of this technology. Being one of the two "superpowers" in this area, Russia considers its spending on RF offensive operations a very wise and profitable investment. Changes of last decade in Russia impacted the KGB, which has been split into independent parts. The 8th and 16th Directorates, roughly representing Russian equivalent of the NSA, became an independent agency, the Federal Agency of Government Communications and Information (FAPSI, as a Russian acronym). FAPSI is directly subordinate to the President of Russia. In a wave of privatization, FAPSI was partially "privatized" as well. Some of the leading FAPSI experts left the agency and founded private security companies, taking best officers of all levels along. These companies cater mainly to Russian private financial institutions and provide a wide range of security services. They are fully capable of carrying out any defensive and offensive operations with equal level of confidence. The concentration of world-class experts on offensive electronic operations in these few companies by far surpasses any private entity in the world and exceeds capability of most governments. These experts can easily intercept and provide to their clients virtually any commercial information of any country. Commercially available means of electronic information security present no practical difficulties for them. Intercept of commercial and financial information could be extremely profitable and create the capability to manipulate international financial markets as well as to carry large scale international money-laundering operations with very limited operational risk. Financial success of these FAPSI private spin-off companies and high earnings of their employees make them very attractive "golden parachutes" for the remaining FAPSI officers. Combined with traditionally close ties, this leads to continuing effective technological and personnel cooperation between the FAPSI and these companies. At the same time, the end of the Cold War somewhat shifted goals, objectives, and some targets of the FAPSI toward a heavier emphasis on intercept of technological, commercial and financial information. In this regard, some of the targets are easier to attack from a position of a private company. This leads to a likely close operational cooperation between the FAPSI and its private spin-off companies. The private companies can provide the FAPSI with some of the products of their intercept, while FAPSI can also share some of its products, along with personnel and equipment, including its powerful and sophisticated facilities, such as the Lourdes in Cuba, for a very productive long-range intercept. This situation can easily put American private business in a highly unfavorable competitive position. All of the above seems to demonstrate an urgent necessity to develop technology for computer protection against both intentional and unintentional RF interference, as well as against illegal intercept of sensitive and proprietary information by foreign competitors. It can take a few days to build a LERF weapon. It takes a few weeks or a few months to establish a successful collection of information through RF intercept. However, it should be realized that developing adequate computer protective technology, even for limited applications, would take at least two years. There seems to be a certain disconnect between appropriate U.S. technical experts and political decision makers, who are ultimately responsible for strategic course of technological efforts of this country. This disconnect needs to be mended and coordinated efforts should take place for developing protection of computers against RF attacks. In conclusion, I would like to state that it seems that the question that we are facing is not whether we need to develop adequate RF protective technology or whether we can afford to protect our computers from possible RF attacks. The real question is whether we can afford to not protect at least critical infrastructure computers. The ultimate decision on this dilemma is a prerogative of the United States Congress. I would like to thank you again for your kind invitation to appear before this Committee and for this opportunity to comment on a very important matter.
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DEATH TO ALL SUVs!!!!! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @06:14AM EDT (#105) |
I'm going to build it in-place in the trunk of my bimmer. When I'm being pulled over OR A BIG F(&@#ING SUV gets loose. ZAAAAPPPP bye bye. . . remindeds me of an old muffler trick. Use bailing wire and an old junker muffler. Don't like the tailgater? Yank the wire and drop the muffler, blamo no tire. . .
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Re:DEATH TO ALL BMW drivers too!!!!! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:45AM EDT (#148) |
| I classify SUV's, BMW's and Acura Integra's all in the same class: only assholes with small penises buy 'em (apparently the more expensive or fast looking your car is, the bigger your penis). Seems each one comes with a complimentary license to tailgate, speed, and cut other people off as if road laws didn't apply to their gold-plated backsides. IMHO all car manufacturers should be required by law to restrict their engine sizes to 150HP maximum and design around that. Screw the "car aficianados" and "rice-boy" put putters, let's make driving safe for a change.
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make this safe boy (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @09:58AM EDT (#179) |
As the original Anon Coward of this post let me say, HA! I drive a 12 year old 535is BECAUSE it's so much car for so little money. At 250Kmi and under 13lbs of boost it's a rod. It's also got enough steel and REAL bumpers to take on a common SUV. Make my life safe!?! My other car is a Porsche 914, circa 73 so as to circumvent smog laws, and produces 110hp. Guess what it flys! Try as you might I will continue aggressive driving. It's a right in American and if you don't like it take a damn bus!
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Re:DEATH TO ALL SUVs!!!!! (Score:1) by toast0 (toast@dont.spam.me.ruka.org) on Friday September 10, @10:57AM EDT (#182) (User Info) http://ruka.org/~toast
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My SUV is immune to this (pretty much) only thing electronic is the cheap radio shack am/fm/cassete, the cobra cb (antenna is dead though oops), and the cruise which doesn't work anyhow. Plus it can park in a compact space, and the top is removable (or was b4 it rusted solid haven't tried it) I speak of my 1978 IH Scout II
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Big Deal (Score:1) by Maxwell_E (shaden@spambliznocker.mediaone.net) on Friday September 10, @06:17AM EDT (#106) (User Info) http://nabiki.newberry.edu/radioplay
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A ham could've done this in something the size of a suitcase. This isn't news. Heck, the 135 on the F-15 can put out an order of magnitude more than that, and it's the size of my cat's carrying crate. Granted the 135 is a couple'a mil, and it does more than spit out noise, but this is standard EW junk. --- Producer, Director, Fanfic Radioplay Productions |
Hmm.. so THAT'S how they'll kill off Mulder.. (Score:2, Funny) by CoffeeNowDammit (caffeine1@no.salty.pork.cubes.mindspring.com) on Friday September 10, @06:24AM EDT (#107) (User Info) http://www.mindspring.com/~caffeine1
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Just think if Chris Carter gets tired of putting up with David Duchovny .. The Smoking Man pulls out his HERF gun while Mulder is on his omnipresent cell-phone, and poof! .. end of franchise. Anyone wanna take bets on when (not if) this technology gets butchered to fit into an X-Files episode? ----- "I sometimes wonder why some people don't like John Tesh. And then I realize it's because he sucks." - Anonymous |
Movies (Score:1) by QuantumG (QuantumG@tigerteam.com.au) on Friday September 10, @06:24AM EDT (#108) (User Info) http://www.tigerteam.com.au
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Not the first movie to do it but you got to love the way Golden Eye takes computer technology and misses the entire point (yer.. a physical cryptographic crystal makes a LOT of sense). I loved that nerdy guy.. super nerd.. even as I geek I wouldn't feel bad about beating that nerdy guy up and taking his lunch money.
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Shielding (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @06:27AM EDT (#109) |
How would one go about shielding the modern car from this? I'm assuming that more than the engine computer needs to be shielded, probably also any electric motor on the car including heater fans and fuel pumps and also the alternator. Comments? Wild speculations?
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Possibly the same way (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @09:52AM EDT (#176) |
You prevent loss of data on a emp..shield the electronics with lead. It makes sense. Of course with cars all that electronics is spread all over the car so you cannot just throw it in a lead box and say fixed. and then theres the weight thing...a lead shielded motor may work but its too damn heavy..hehehe
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Re:Shielding (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @01:52PM EDT (#194) |
Or you could just get yourself a nice old Mercedes 240D... gotta love cars without sparkplugs, ignition coils, etc. Diesel! Diesel! Diesel! :)
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Not all that impressive... (Score:1) by Baggio (RBeesley@ANTISPAM.computer.org) on Friday September 10, @06:28AM EDT (#110) (User Info) |
Bill Gates single handedly brought down a computer demonstrating Win98. Besides one of the computers was running Powerpoint, maybe it just needed a reboot by then anyway... :)
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Similar press releases. (Score:1) by GoNINzo (gonzo(at)ironman.planetquake.com) on Friday September 10, @06:37AM EDT (#113) (User Info) http://ironman.planetquake.com/~gonzo
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| I'm sure that we'll be seeing press releases for remote installation of windows at some point in the future.... and they'll be forced to run the story again. Weapon of mass destruction for $189 Today, a large corporation released a computer product that, when used on computers, could crash the system, killing any user logged into it. These crashes can happen at any time, turning a Minesweeper game into a blood bath. IT professionals around the globe are searching for protection against this monster, backed by the power of marketing. "I was playing Minesweeper... and i just crashed! *sob* All my defenseless programs..." a distraut secretary explained. Any terrorist from the Middle East could go to Best Buy and buy this weapon for $189 dollars. But the most destructive aspect of this weapon are the people who use it on themselves voluntarily. A hotdog vendor installed it on his home computer. "This bright blue screen came up right in the middle of my Minesweeper game. oh.. it was horrible. that mocking tone... and it GPF'd for no reason!" It is not known if this terror will ever stop, as the company is rumored to have a new version made explictly for the year 2000. There are reports that many computers will become useless around that year as well. Is this a coincidence or some marketing genius' evil plan? Heh, I'm not normal down on Micros~1 so much, just think this kind of journalism is funny. -- Gonzo Granzeau "Nothing the god of biomechanics won't let you into heaven for.." -Roy Batty |
20 megawatts! (Score:1) by jovlinger (NOjohanCAPS@ccs.neu.edu) on Friday September 10, @06:43AM EDT (#117) (User Info) |
whoa! 20 Megawatts from a car battery. P = UI. U = 12, so we're looking at roughly 1.8 MegaAmps. Shit!
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This is so vanilla (Score:1) by gad_zuki! (flan3000@yahoo.THISHASTOGO.com) on Friday September 10, @06:43AM EDT (#118) (User Info) |
Yeah its cute, but its just the equilevent of pepper spray for electronics. Where's the promises of the EMP gun I've been hearing all my life? Crashing a computer running windows is an accomplishment?!?! Redmond mastered this years ago.
I don't just want to crash your system I want to destroy it. Oh, I'm not limiting myself to PCs, I need an EMP gun to get cell phones, cell towers, and most importantly assholes with giant subwoofers in their cars. Snoop, your days are numbered!
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Umm, can we have a litle bit of skepticism here? (Score:2, Insightful) by Grand Poobah of PRAM on Friday September 10, @06:51AM EDT (#121) (User Info) |
Pardon me if I find this thing laughable. It has to be within 20 ft of the target (although the inventor claims he can make one that works from 100 ft away for less money-which makes me wonder why he didn't bring that model to demonstrate...), and the computer is just fine after a reboot. His comments are even better-if you were in a tank or a hospital, you might be dead if you wait for your computer to reboot. True enough-but there are plenty of smaller ways to kill someone from a distance far greater than 20 (or even 100) feet. And, of course, he's testing this under optimal conditions-nothing between his device and the target. For those talking about coming within 20 ft of a router and wiping it out, you could do the same with a bomb. Let me get within 20 ft. of a target with some C4, plant said C4, and get out, and I'll do a lot more than make you reboot your computer. (And if you can move this monstrosity within 20 ft. of a target without getting noticed, you can easily plant a bomb there.) I have no doubt the technology has potential as a weapon-but for now it is all potential, and not much else. (That and an interesting plot device in Cyrptonomicon.) As for the claims of a nuclear bomb using a similar effect being able to wipe out all the Electronics on the East Coast, that's probably true-but a nuke designed for that purpose is a big leap from this device. It doesn't even have much to do with this contraption, except that they work on similar principles, and it allowed the inventor to get a nice sound bite for the media morons to chew on.)
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speaking of skepticism (off-topic-ish) (Score:2, Informative) by NME (nearixson@earthlink.net) on Friday September 10, @07:20AM EDT (#136) (User Info) |
Here's some info on the EMP gun myth. http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~crypt/other/kooks.htm -nme!
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What about?? (Score:1) by technos (jim_tuck@newcourt.spammeplease.com) on Friday September 10, @06:51AM EDT (#122) (User Info) |
Hmm.. Pulsed DC tesla coil, eh? I read of a scheme a few years back (in a ham radio mag) about some fellow trying to phase-lock a magnetron tube pulled from a microwave, for a cheap high-power transmitter. Had to discontinue work when it started blinking out the radio and causing the C64 in the next room to freeze. That would seem to be a more compact way of doing it than the varied stages of step-up transformers and soda can sized fluid filled capacitors.. The schematics and stuff were in one of the 84-85 issues of QST. (it had an artists rendition of future ARRL antenna farm on the cover. I had it on my desk for years because it also had an article on simple analog modems.) Anyone else remember it? 'Xenix is the pinnacle of modern UNIX design, and will be used for many years to come' -Xenix OS API manual |
Oh stop crying! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @06:54AM EDT (#125) |
| If you don't recognise the importance of radio shielding for data centres then you don't know much about security! EMP weapons have been around for years and have been deployed commercially since the 80s. If you know the right people you can buy a unit which you just fit over the road from you competitor and they suffer severe IT problems! (Not to mention cancer etc!) A single cellphone can bring down a 747, so what is the big news? If security is important, then put your equipment somewhere it can't be hit by radio or magnetic pulses. More to the point, the radio the computers emit cannot be intercepted either!! Check out www.thebunker.net for a safe haven for all computers! Nuclear proof!
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You could probably have alot of fun with this.... (Score:1) by TheCaptain (jdf149@BLAH.psu.edu) on Friday September 10, @07:00AM EDT (#126) (User Info) |
All you need is an old mechanically fuel injected diesel engine....no electronics required...lug one of these around. Your vehicle would be one of very very few that couldn't be really affected. Hmm....drive-by's on Microsoft anyone? :)
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That's nothing (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:14AM EDT (#133) |
The HERF gun is old news. I've just perfected the HREF gun. When you point it at a web page, it blows away all of the link tags!
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Cool! (Score:0, Redundant) by drwiii (douglas@min.net) on Friday September 10, @07:21AM EDT (#137) (User Info) http://www.min.net/~douglas/
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As if there weren't enough ways to remotely crash a Windows NT machine already.. (:
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I've seen this happen. (Score:1) by LrdZombie on Friday September 10, @07:34AM EDT (#141) (User Info) |
I've seen this happen, and it's easy to reproduce. When I was testing out a spark gap I made for my tesla coil, I was doing it near to my computer. Not a very smart thing to do in general, but I was listening to MP3s while I work. :) Anyway, as soon as I switched it on, my box locked up, made some fucked-up "R2-D2" noises, and crashed. I immediately turned off the TC power supply, rebooted my computer, and it locked up again. I was freaking out for a minute that I had killed my box, but luckily it worked after I shut it off for a few seconds and turned it back on. If a small spark gap can knock out a computer from 2.5 meters away, just think what a BIG one could do. :)
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Volvo S80's are doomed. (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @07:48AM EDT (#152) |
Blast one of those "drive by wire" puppies with this thing and the driver would lose ALL control of the car. Wouldn't it be fun to watch them careen into a ditch and explode? Neat! Well, I'm off to the hardware store.
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[URL] Already in use by terrorists. (Score:1) by AftanGustur (rikardur@delete.sky.fr) on Friday September 10, @07:55AM EDT (#154) (User Info) http://195.115.13.16/
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http://www.infowar.com/class_ 3/class3_122898a_j.shtml ...are able to put out of action contemporary guard systems, equipment, and communication networks. Such methods have already been used, for instance, to rob shops and banks.
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Ok, but what about other Information toys? (Score:1) by Inoshiro on Friday September 10, @07:57AM EDT (#156) (User Info) http://www.thock.com/Dylan/
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Like Van-ecking? (sp is wrong). These little toys let you "tune in" the image on a monitor, or similar CRT device, all with simple tweaking to match the intended target's Hsync/Vsync, etc (think modeline in XF86Config). It's entirely possible, and I wouldn't be suprised if the NSA had used a similar rig in a van to watch the computer screens of "possible suspects." Anyways, I'm off to Faraday cage my room now :-) "How harden my eletronics? It's already called hardware!"
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Microwave guns (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @09:32AM EDT (#171) |
Whats really scary is when I think about microwave guns and how easily built and accessible they are. Pull apart an old microwave and get the magnetron tube out. A couple crazies could sit there with a magnetron gun with a directional metal dish around the front on a road with planes flying over and knock out the electronics on them as they take off all using the ordinary power of a a/c adapter plugged into their lighter jack in their car. Scary shit, the stuff movies are made of.
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Fun with EMP (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 10, @09:47AM EDT (#175) |
Check this baby out! http://hibp.ecse.rpi.edu/~chowm/can_crusher.html EMP can crusher
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