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90-Gigabyte Solid-State "Hard Drive?"
Hardware Posted by CmdrTaco on Sunday June 27, @10:55AM EDT
from the if-only-its-true dept.
CrtxReavr writes "American Computer Company: "Described as a "Poker Chip Sized" solid state disk drive, the new semiconductor could be seen in service by the end of 1999 or early in the year 2000. The device can store over 90 billion characters of information..." This sounds like it's too good to be true and the article excludes a lot of important information that would be necessary for verification purposes, for what they claim is security reasons. It prolly is worth scrutinizing though. " Want some scrutiny? Conor Walsh sent us a good list of problems:
  1. They can't spell 'terahertz' properly.
  2. They did a really bad job with paintbrush. I have personally done better jobs. (I have a picture of Bill Clinton getting off AF-1 with an earring... I laughed my ass off when a worse one appeared in a tabloid two weeks after I made it.)
  3. If it operates with almost no heat/power dissipation at 12 THz, why not raise it to 20 or so?
  4. Wait... a hard drive doesn't have a frequency!
  5. '...semiconducting microswitches...replacing transistors...', except that's what transistors are!
  6. 'Low Power TCAPS Technology drains only 1 ma/hr during operation.' Thoroughly impossible... the ampere is not something that can be measured over time... it's an instantaneous thing. It could draw a current of one mA for an hour of operation, but it would also draw the same for a minute or a year. The term for electricity over time, in this case, would be the Couloumb. (Amps*seconds)

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    Hoax
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:01AM EDT (#1)
    These things are supposedly based on 'alien' designs
    yeah right....whatever, so don't take them too seriously
    folks.
    Re:Hoax (Score:1)
    by m3000 (m2999athotmaildotcom) on Sunday June 27, @11:11AM EDT (#7)
    (User Info) http://m3000.1wh.com
    But what if aliens made it, and what if aliens are manufacturing it. I bet if you bought it, it would flash message at you commanding you to be their slaves. Yea, that's it.
    Alien Spam. (Score:1)
    by A Big Gnu Thrush on Sunday June 27, @11:25AM EDT (#17)
    (User Info)
    Don't be so quick to dismiss this technology. It looks real to me.

    I'm not going to use it when it's realeased. of course. The aliens which provided this to ACC, also provided Intel with their chip numbering system.

    All of your purchases will be logged by aliens, and within hours of using the device, spam from across the universe will flood your inbox.

    Still, it's a pretty sweet design.
    Alien Technology (Score:2, Funny)
    by fornix (unrestrained_driver@spam-yahoo.com) on Sunday June 27, @12:55PM EDT (#67)
    (User Info)
    A few questions about these aliens:
    • When will these aliens roll out their subspace frequency high bandwidth internet access so we can dispense with cable, ISDN, and ADSL?
    • Are they currently working on an awesome multithreaded IP stack for the kernel?
    • Will these aliens donate some of their idle CPU cyles to the SETI@HOME project?

      ----

      Pickup, vim, vitality and punch..... That's pep!

    Alien Technology and lots of fluff.
    by Ellis-D (ellis-d-25@spam.excite.com) on Sunday June 27, @06:37PM EDT (#127)
    (User Info) http://jackleg.home.dhs.org/
    Are tehy legal aliens or illegal.. Did the hop a fence or jump on a boat??

    Looking at just their specs, they were talking the unit was going to be operating at 12 Thz (Terra) which is a light wavelenght.. I think this is total bs, becuase there is just to much that doesn't eny comply with the basics of physics. Yeah I know there are somethings that have been known to change the world of physics, but operating over the speed of light?!


    I ate my tag line.
    -=Ellis (D)25=-
    Re:Alien Technology and lots of fluff.
    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 29, @12:11AM EDT (#211)
    I hate to be picky, but hertz is a refference to frequency not wavelenght.
    I don't know off the top of my head what the formula is, but the frequency times the wavelenght should equal the speed of light times some constant. i could have that mixed up.
    FM Radio waves (MHz) travel close to the speed of light (atmosphere is not a vacuum) but compensate with a longer wavelenght.

    What I can't believe is this bs about transcapcitors replacing the transistor. RAM is made up of transistors and capacitors, so I can't figure out what's the earthshattering new technology is here.
    -EE
    Re:Alien Technology and lots of fluff. (Score:1)
    by Gawyn on Wednesday June 30, @08:50AM EDT (#213)
    (User Info)
    Frequency = Light Speed/Wavelength
    or
    Wavelength = Light Speed/Frequency
    Depending on how you look at it.

    ~Gawyn~
    "Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. Then when you decide to critizice him, you'll be a mile away and be wearing his shoes."
    Re:Alien Technology (Score:1)
    by RealUlli (ujans@ullisys.pond.sub.org) on Monday June 28, @12:27PM EDT (#204)
    (User Info) http://home.pages.de/~RealUlli/
    Will these aliens donate some of their idle CPU cyles to the SETI@HOME project?

    Why donate cycles? Just step forward and say "Hi!". -> ETI found, so S terminated. ;-)


    Regards, Ulli

    No, not aliens... (Score:1)
    by Industrial Disease on Sunday June 27, @01:14PM EDT (#73)
    (User Info)
    I hear the same guys who found this technology also found a skeletal metal arm along with it...
    Re:No, not aliens... (Score:1)
    by peter_j on Sunday June 27, @07:38PM EDT (#136)
    (User Info)
    Does this mean we'll be paying royalties to arnold?
    The Alien Is Bill Gates!!!! (Score:1)
    by 8Complex (8Complex@TheVortex.com) on Sunday June 27, @02:06PM EDT (#86)
    (User Info)
    "embedded Windows NT operating system"

    It's Bill Gates, I tell you!!

    8Complex
    Positronic Techniques????
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @06:07PM EDT (#119)
    Just doing some digging, http://byamerican.com/abouttcap.htm is particularly interesting. It tells about the "Polaronic" techniques used, and that it would be called "Positronics" properly. Now, either whoever did this page is a con who has read too much asimov and done too little homework, or they dont realize that the NUMBER of Positrons they are talking about would produce so much heat that a single chip would vaporize a CITY! (somebody who knows physics a bit better should be able to compute real heat values, I'm just making an approximate guess). This is because a Positron NEGATES an electron in an anti-matter reaction, releasing a lot of energy. Hehehehehe, this has GOT to be a hoax.
    Re:Positronic Techniques????
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @06:41PM EDT (#129)
    It tells about the "Polaronic" techniques used, and that it would be called "Positronics" properly

    I think perhaps you're reading this wrong. To quote, the web page says:

    'Polaronics' (formerly dubbed 'Positronics'), the principles of 'electron trapping' within molecular and submolecular sized semiconductor switches

    There is no mention at all of positrons except in the similarty between the names. Of course, that doesn't mean it's not a hoax, which it most certainly is (just look at the picture of the "slot-1 carrier." If that's not a faked image, then I've never used photoshop.)
    Does Linux Run These Devices (Score:1)
    by exa (ozkural@ug.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr) on Sunday June 27, @07:49PM EDT (#138)
    (User Info)
    Can I run them on my Lınux box? Are there Lınux kernel drıvers ın the 2.3 tree?

    I'd just like to use this next to my Sirius-made holographic display that has a nice SVGA port, APM & PnP support, also complies with those low radiation standards...


    exa -+-+--+-----
    Re:Hoax
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:23PM EDT (#158)
    If you ask me, it kinda looks like a Pog.
    Why this isn't true... but I wish it was.
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28, @02:04AM EDT (#171)
    This is obviously a hoax... No sane company would post it's findings in a manner such as this (not to mention the grammatical and punctuation mistakes) How could a company hope to capitalize on such findings? "Real" companies do not release statement like these without a valid backing... none of this "Name changed for security" nonsense.

    It's really too bad... It's something we have all dreamed of, but I doubt it's going to happen this year. Nice piece of Sci-fi writing if you ask me.

    When it does happen for real, we are certainly not going to miss out. I doubt there are very many people left in the world that don't realise what a paradigm shift this would bring about. The media will most certainly talk about it and whoever invents it will give Gates' a run for the money for being the world's richest individual.

    Just my $0.02
    Re:Hoax
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28, @06:59AM EDT (#182)
    This is definitely a hoax. Some quick paper calculation will show that some of the things achieved are too difficult to do (if not impossible),

    **Approximately**
    From picture=> 3.0mm diameter die approximately (1:1 scale if I'm using the same monitor as the author)
    => 710 sq mm
    => 7.85 sq femtometer per bit!!
    => less then 0.1nm x 0.1nm per bit (each bit line would be very thin, resistance or capacitance will either be too high even with copper processes. Resistance is inversely proportional to cross-sectional area, capacitance is inversely proportional to spacing of buses. Also too thin to create with current mass production technology)

    12 THz => infrared spectrum (wavelength=0.025mm)
    => 83 femto-second clock cycle!!!!
    => transmission line effects!!

    What the hell does 1mA/hr mean?? It should be a current value (mA) or a charge value (mA-hr unit which is used for batteries to indicate charge capacity. Current is already a rate unit - rate of charge moved per second).

    Assume that it is 1mA current drain. I = dQ/dt. That means in one cycle, Q = 8.3e-17 Coulombs of charge are moving around (ie. 500 electrons) or 8 electrons per bit (64bit internal = 768/12) in the circuitry!!!! Imagine the SNR on some of these buses.

    BTW, the picture of the wafer dies can't be the actual chip since memory tend to look smooth (you shouldn't see any structure as with other logic) due to fine (less then visible light in this case) repeat design of the memory cell.

    Anonymous Coward

    now all you need is...
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28, @07:51AM EDT (#187)
    ...an Ecraf analog processor to go with this bad boy...


    But be careful of the blinding light!


    Geez

    anonymous as usual
    Re:Hoax
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28, @10:28AM EDT (#195)
    This is the same company who used to have a section on their website about Roswell New Mexico and how they had all this great evidence and were going to blow the lid off of it. They started advertising this TCAP thingie about two years ago I think.
    Re:Hoax (Score:1)
    by tcjordan on Monday June 28, @11:08AM EDT (#197)
    (User Info)
    I looked at their website a year ago and they were claiming this thing was going to come out with-in the next year.

    The website claimed that they got this technology from the Roswell crash (is it still saying that?) and that a lot of AT&T-Bell Labs innovations of the late 60's early 70's (i.e. transistors) were given to AT&T by the government researchers that "recovered the UFO."

    Of course Lucent Technologies (formerly Bell Labs) denies all of it.

    One thing's for sure, if they said last year that they would release the thing within a year (they said they couldn't figure out how to link the thing to the CPU and bus), they must be following the MS pattern for bringing a product to market.

    One other possibility. Can you call hardware vaporware too?
    Re:Hoax
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28, @06:36PM EDT (#206)
    Notice the dates on the title:

    1st Revision November of 1997
    Originally Authored December of 1996


    Re:Hoax
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28, @07:49PM EDT (#208)
    Anybody else wonder what "Silver Alkane" is?
    Re:Hoax (Score:1)
    by SRA00zx1-b93c on Monday June 28, @08:11PM EDT (#209)
    (User Info)
    You're all hypocrites and cowards! You are simply afraid of change!

    You will be left behind by the forthcoming Next Wave, and the accompanying Revolution!

    Look upon this man for soon you will be groveling at his feet!
    Technology a la Firmage (Score:3, Insightful)
    by HardCase (me@myself.com) on Sunday June 27, @11:02AM EDT (#2)
    (User Info) http://www.fluidlight.com/drew/index.html
    To say that the article excludes a lot of technological information is an understatement. The article claims that they don't know where the technology came from! Either their command of the English language is absolutely terrible, or this is a perfect candidate for Joe Firmage's new company to fund.

    The web site looks like more of an April Fools' joke...they slapped their logo on a Pentium II cartridge with some paint program, took a stock photo of a silicon wafer and somehow came up with this "unknown" technology that they aren't going to sell to the monopolizing computer companies.

    Does anyone REALLY believe this? Remember, just because it's on the web doesn't mean that it's true!

    =h=
    Re:Technology a la Firmage
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:07AM EDT (#5)
    I think it's just a long running publicity stunt
    on the part of american computer, I remember reading
    about these things about a year or two ago. It's
    derived from technology reverse engineered from
    the roswell crash apparently :) - Yes all this
    info is on their web site (used to be anyway)
    They have a few other 'conspiracy theories' too!
    I don't buy it (Score:1)
    by barzok on Sunday June 27, @11:38AM EDT (#26)
    (User Info)
    Yesterday's "Ask Slashdot" had a lot of focus on solid-state mass storage. Now, today, this thing comes along, with that remarked P2 cartridge? It's got to be a hoax.
    This is OLD! (Score:1)
    by The CrapHead! (craphead@techie.com) on Sunday June 27, @06:26PM EDT (#124)
    (User Info) http://home.sol.no/~craphead/
    It didn't come along today.. That page is WAY OLD! It was written December 96.. Oh, and the date IS correct. I saw that page more than two years ago..
    Amiga - Back for the future!
    Re:I don't buy it (Score:1)
    by Kukester on Sunday June 27, @09:06PM EDT (#141)
    (User Info) http://bill.doa.org/kuker/kam
    Agreed, its the pictures and phrases like

    'future "set top boxes" used in future film rental system'

    make me doubt it something feirce. Too bad, eh?
    Re:I don't buy it (Score:1)
    by Kukester on Sunday June 27, @09:08PM EDT (#142)
    (User Info) http://bill.doa.org/kuker/kam
    Oh, and did I forget to mention:

    "Power Bus - 13 Pin (four plus, four minus, 1 ground, 4 control (on, off, clear, init/test)"

    Not that I make stuff like this but I think I'd do better than 'plus' and 'minus'
    Re:Technology a la Firmage (Score:1)
    by PhoneMonkey (digityger@ddyne.com) on Sunday June 27, @11:45AM EDT (#30)
    (User Info) http://www.exosphere.net
    Ummmm... I looked at the source code and:

    meta name="GENERATOR" content="Mozilla/4.5 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win98; U) [Netscape]"

    I don't think Communicator 4.5 and Win 98 were out back then.

    BTW, I can make a MUCH better PII / Mystery chip than that.

    It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off
    Re:Technology a la Firmage= Fished in! Fished In! (Score:1)
    by joetee on Sunday June 27, @12:01PM EDT (#44)
    (User Info)
    Either its intentionaly presented poorly so as to confuse everyone. Our it's a teen prank. Or they
    have booksmart savants of alien intelligence, but have never seen a real web page, or product announcement, making the web page now that the VHDL is done.

    A pentium picture? A section of a wafer with a lame circular smoothed edge? No interconnects?
    No patent refs?
    IMHO totaly bogus.
    Sheesh.... Whats next?
    Re:Technology a la Firmage (Score:1)
    by Accipiter (shadSowfireP@hotAmail.cMom) on Sunday June 27, @12:03PM EDT (#47)
    (User Info) http://www.hackphreak.org
    Seems like a classic case of vaporware to me. I'll DEFINITELY have to see this to believe it. And by see it, I mean I want to actually see one in use personally, or hear lots of testimonials to it's existance. I don't buy this yet.


    -- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
    (If you can't figure out how to E-Mail me, Don't. :P)

    Cold Fusion (Score:1)
    by XNormal (xnormal@iname.com) on Sunday June 27, @12:20PM EDT (#51)
    (User Info)
    Hey, this kind of claims reminds me of cold fusion - you really wish was actually true. The major difference is that this is probably nothing more than words on a web page while in those cold fusion cells something was actually happening, although probably not fusion.

    ---- "It is difficult to say what is impossible, for the dreams of yesterday are the hopes of today and the reality of tomorrow" Robert H. Goddard
    But this is interesting... (Score:1)
    by BrianH on Sunday June 27, @12:25PM EDT (#53)
    (User Info)
    Anyone care to check a couple of claims? I remember seeing this a while back and discounted it as a hoax, but I just found some other info on their site that, if true, may add some credibility to their claim. Of course, these claims are so broad I'm a little incredulous.

    1) Claims to have been around since the 60's
    2) Claim to have developed the Router and SMP
    3) Claims to have invented RAID.
    4) Claims to have developed part of X.25

    And quite a few more. You can view their claims here. I don't have time to check them myself, but I'd be interested to see what anyone else could dig up. If this resume is correct, I might not be so quick to discount them.

    "All great truths begin as blasphemies." -- George Bernard Shaw
    Re:But this is interesting... (Score:2)
    by Booker (sandeen.no@spam.io.com) on Sunday June 27, @01:30PM EDT (#78)
    (User Info)
    Hey, my web site says that I invented the damn transistor, and *I* say that their claims are false. You gotta believe me... I mean, I invented the TRANSISTOR! And if that's not enough for you, I invented solder! Heck, I even invented electrons! :)

    I'm amazed that people are giving this ANY credibility... I guess I should collect all yer email addresses for the IPO of my anti-gravity-engine company....
    Re:But this is interesting... (Score:1)
    by LordBhaal (cerebus@lower.felda) on Sunday June 27, @02:38PM EDT (#90)
    (User Info) http://aiusa.com/~james
    Anti-Gravity has been around since the 50's (1950's as far as I know) The US Government (and possibly a few others) did some experiments, but couldn't come up with enough energy to get it to work sufficiently.

    It does work though, but the energy requirements are ridiculous

    Basic premise is you get an umberella, coat it in metal, and where the handle is, put a sphere, about 3" across (size may or may not be important)

    Then stick a ridiculous voltage potential between the sphere and the 'keeps the rain off your head' bit of the umberella. If you measure it, it will start to get 'lighter'

    Lotsa things actually work, just that you're not allowed to know about them.

    bibi

    Re:But this is interesting... (Score:1)
    by mmontour (mmontour@iname.com) on Sunday June 27, @05:44PM EDT (#117)
    (User Info)
    Well, this could be an antigravity machine. Or it could be a hot-air balloon, or a cheap ion engine. It's actually pretty easy to get forces around high-voltage equipment, just caused by ionization of the air. See http://www.ph.unimelb.edu.au/lecdem/el10.htm for a simple lab demonstration of this effect.

    (If you could make the antigravity device perform in a vacuum, it would be slightly more interesting).




    Re:But this is interesting... (Score:1)
    by forii (gaijin@ugcs.caltech.nospam.edu) on Monday June 28, @12:25AM EDT (#162)
    (User Info) http://www.forii.com
    Oh, this reminds me of a similar phenomenon: Take a plate of metal, place it parallel to another piece of metal. Put a large ELECTRIC potential between the two plates, and, if you measure it, you will detect a FORCE between the two plates!

    It gets even better! If you place a mesh between the two plates, and apply a potential to it, you can change the force that goes between the two solid plates. As you BIAS the potential on the mesh differently, the amount of FORCE changes as well! That's right! You can MODULATE the force by using something as simple as a car battery! Or use the effect that EINSTEIN received the NOBEL PRIZE for and hook up a SOLAR CELL! It will work too!

    The US government may not tell you this, but this technology has been around since the early part of the century! This technology allows you to MANIPULATE the basic forces of NATURE, so why isn't it used? Because the MULTINATIONAL ENERGY CORPORATIONS want to be able to sell their overpriced, environment wrecking fossil fuels, and the TOADIES in WASHINGTON D.C. won't stop them.
    Re:But this is interesting... (Score:1)
    by mmontour (mmontour@iname.com) on Monday June 28, @02:22AM EDT (#173)
    (User Info)
    Throw in a few spelling errors, write some poetry about it, paste in your high school yearbook photo, and I'll BELIEVE!!!

    --------

    Of course, we also know:
    1) Cats always land on their feet
    2) Toast always lands butter-side down

    Therefore, a cat with a piece of buttered toast taped to its back MUST levitate when dropped!
    [not original, but I don't remember where I first heard it]


    Re:But this is interesting... (Score:1)
    by Dilbert_ (maarten.schenk@nospam.planetinternet.be) on Monday June 28, @04:53AM EDT (#175)
    (User Info) http://home.planetinternet.be/~honcho/bug
    I think I read this in a web version of The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy... I believe it was called Project Galactic Guide, but I don't remember the URL or the entry where this cat/buttered-toast theory was stated.


    Microsoft has made a movie ! Check out the poster...
    Re:But this is interesting... (Score:1)
    by tm23 on Monday June 28, @12:31AM EDT (#164)
    (User Info)
    Is this the same force Yoda uses to get Luke's
    X-Wing out of the swamps of Dagobah?
    Re:But this is interesting...
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28, @10:06AM EDT (#192)
    But be careful not to hook up the voltage the wrong way or you will PLUMMET to the center of the earth, and the aliens who live there will be very angry!
    Re:But this is interesting...
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28, @06:16AM EDT (#180)
    hey but i invented plagerism, and you're all copying off me. I also invented inventing, which means everyone owes me loads of royalties
    Re:But this is interesting...
    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 28, @07:00AM EDT (#183)
    I actually have "Invented Helium (He)" as a bullet on my resume. The guys at Sun thought it was an application. The guys at *company I really want to work at* just about fell out of their chairs.
    Re:But this is interesting... (Score:1)
    by DroolArt (DroolArt@hell.com) on Sunday June 27, @02:47PM EDT (#91)
    (User Info) http://home.earthlink.net/~droolart
    Let's see, They created EVERYTHING that we know about computers today, and so they decided to settle down and sell computers on a very poorly built website. Yeah I buy it, hell give me 1000.
    Drool.
    Email address is false, you figure it out.
    I was once accused of being wrong. The bodies have been hid.
    Re: Just Because it's on the web (Score:1)
    by foofboy (foofboy@NOSPAM.clark.net) on Sunday June 27, @12:51PM EDT (#64)
    (User Info)
    I'm not going to believe it until the Wall Street Journal picks it up and prints it as gospel on Monday.

    Just like that killer security product that could destroy hardware over the internet. Remember that?

    :)
    Fish cannot carry guns!
    Re: Just Because it's on the web (Score:1)
    by tcjordan on Monday June 28, @11:24AM EDT (#198)
    (User Info)
    Actually, I think I saw this in either the Wall Street Journal or ZDNet AnchorDesk about a year ago.

    Not saying it's true, I'd actually have to see the thing work.

    Just Because it's in Print doesn't mean it's true either, no matter what the source (granted, some are much more reliable than others).
    Re:Technology a la Firmage (Score:1)
    by Dan B. (dbryar@ozemail.com.au.spamlessthis) on Sunday June 27, @10:59PM EDT (#154)
    (User Info) http://www.ozemail.com.au/~dbryar/
    That photo IS a silicon wafer. For those of you that don't know, that's what gets cut up in to squares to make CPU's. Also, the SEPP cartridge hasn't been edited very well.

    So while it's a good hoax, the average /.er will pick up the anomalies very quickly where as your "low-grade moron" might just go... "Ohhhh that's sooo cool!".

    Footnote, Some people make a lot of money as con artists.

    Dan. -- So what if it's spelt wrong, nobody's perfect
    Is this for real
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:03AM EDT (#3)
    ????
    Re:Is this for real
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @12:29PM EDT (#56)
    no. its bull$hit. read the previous /. article on solid state drives (ask slashdot)..theres a link to it there along with another link that debunks this company's claims.
    Re:Is this for real (Score:1)
    by Accipiter (shadSowfireP@hotAmail.cMom) on Sunday June 27, @12:59PM EDT (#70)
    (User Info) http://www.hackphreak.org
    Do you really have to ask?

    -- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
    (If you can't figure out how to E-Mail me, Don't. :P)

    TCAP storage device
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:07AM EDT (#4)
    I think this is a joke, it's been in my bookmark file for the last 2 years or so, and the webpage hasn't been updated in that time at all.

    Re:TCAP storage device (Score:1)
    by GrenDel Fuego (gboyce@world.std.com) on Sunday June 27, @11:32AM EDT (#22)
    (User Info) http://www.velvet.net/~grendel
    2 years ago the webpage mentioned the pentium II?
    Wow.
    Re:TCAP storage device (Score:1)
    by The Bridgekeeper on Sunday June 27, @12:08PM EDT (#49)
    (User Info)
    It's dated 1997.
    Re:TCAP storage device (Score:1)
    by alvieboy (alvieboy@linuxfreak.com) on Sunday June 27, @12:54PM EDT (#66)
    (User Info) http://www.alvie.com
    I don't remember that one ;) But they also mentioned that the transistor technology was "stolen" from the crashed UFO at Roswell ...

    It's just a big laugh to me..
    Somehow, I don't think so. (Score:1)
    by Ethan Butterfield (primus@bayarea.net) on Sunday June 27, @11:10AM EDT (#6)
    (User Info)
    12THz? 266mhz I/F bus? Almost no heat? Low power consumption? Not to mention the whole article itself...built off of work some US Army egghead did in the 50s, eh? I'm surprised Roswell wasn't mentioned. I mean, this has just *got* to be Grey technology. I suppose that it does great curly fries too.

    Someone's been on the pipe again, methinks.

    Roswell was mentioned. (Score:1)
    by Byteme (style@javanet.com) on Sunday June 27, @11:13AM EDT (#10)
    (User Info)
    Roswell was mentioned... on their home page
    Re:Somehow, I don't think so. (Score:1)
    by PhoneMonkey (digityger@ddyne.com) on Sunday June 27, @11:48AM EDT (#33)
    (User Info) http://www.exosphere.net
    Roswell URL:

    Roswell Link

    It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off
    Re:Somehow, I don't think so. (Score:1)
    by BitPoet (DONTSPAMbevans_AT_bitcasting_DOT_com) on Monday June 28, @09:39AM EDT (#191)
    (User Info) http://www.bitcasting.com
    >I mean, this has just *got* to be Grey technology. I suppose that it does great curly fries too.

    Aliens created curly fries? Whoa! _now_ I'm impressed!

    BitPoet
    Off the topic... (Score:1)
    by Byteme (style@javanet.com) on Sunday June 27, @11:12AM EDT (#8)
    (User Info)
    If you look around at that site, you will find some quad motherboards. I do recall a discussion here about the availability of those...
    Re:Off the topic... (Score:1)
    by dbullock on Sunday June 27, @07:49PM EDT (#139)
    (User Info) http://www.wildmonkey.net
    Yah but with a publicity stunt like this, there's no way I'd trust these people with my credit card number.

    Dave
    http://www.wildmonkey.net
    TCAP: Fact of Fiction?
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:12AM EDT (#9)
    To check out the holes in american computer's
    story check out this page

    http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9587/

    cheers
    -Steve
    Re:TCAP: Fact of Fiction?
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:48AM EDT (#34)
    I love the web site. Thanks for posting the URL.

    -Doug
    SHOULD BE ON THE FRONT PAGE (Score:1)
    by Brooks138 (brooks138@iname.com) on Sunday June 27, @09:14PM EDT (#143)
    (User Info) http://www.powernetonline.com/~bhbrooks/index.htm
    read the page:
    http://www.geocities.com/CapeCa naveral/Hangar/9587/

    --------------
    Brooks138
    --------------
    bogons
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:13AM EDT (#11)
    for $900?

    1) No patents findable
    2) on a site that sells computers

    Then 90 gig for $900 that is faster than regular hard drives. They could get $5000 for them, if they existed....

    Lets say this DOES exist.

    Who would want it unsold?
    Seagate and all the hard drive makers.
    Toshiba and all the DRAM makers.

    How deep are their pockets....deep enough to buy this and bury it?


    Hmmm.... Color me skeptical (Score:2, Interesting)
    by Sun Tzu on Sunday June 27, @11:15AM EDT (#12)
    (User Info) http://www.tfn.net/~yeargin/art01.html
    This thing would obsolete disk drives *and* conventional memory. Based on the performance claims, it would probably obsolete cache memory also. It's not entirely clear, based on the claims, that it won't be faster than CPU registers!

    Naturally, I'm a little skeptical based only on those performance claims. I might remain hopeful, however, except that the way they try to frame the performance claims in terms that sound impressive to the unsophisticated user: "...100,000's of times faster than the fastest mainframe hard drives ever made by IBM." *cough*

    They go on to claim that it will be released "next year" in a document that claims to be the 1st revistion dated November, 1997. (the copyright dates, however, do include 1999).

    I'll wait for independent benchmarking of the samples, thank you.

    StarshipTraders.com goes into open beta!
    One quote says it all: (Score:1)
    by Dast on Sunday June 27, @11:20AM EDT (#13)
    (User Info) file:/etc/passwd

    We have no idea where the drawings from which we derived our TCAP came from.

    Bwahaha. Right.

    Simple reasons this can't be true (Score:1, Informative)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:23AM EDT (#14)
    Ok if I'm proven wrong by this company I'm all in favor of slapping one of these (or how about 4!) in my poor pathetic K6-2 Linux box. BUT there's a few very simple reasons this can't be true.

    1) How would some pathetic little no money (just look at their webpage, I've seen better personal webpages done by 2 year olds) develop a technology capable of some very large claims

    2) Why haven't companies like ohhh say SEAGATE, WESTERN DIGITAL, MAXTOR been able to come up with this with the R&D departments they have? This kind of technology would make anyone of those companies filthy rich. The amount of R&D money that they would have to spend would be a drop in the bucket compared to the gains they would have. And if they haven't spent the money on this (which I assume for this kinda deal would be serious amounts of cash!) where did this acc people get it?

    3) They don't know who found the technology? What's up with that, that's fishy in and of it's self. that and the fact all these companies are "anonymous for secutiry reasons" who are they afraid of? what are they afraid of? Do they think Seagate's going to blow up their sole prototype?

    4) "Yet, compared to what the Army allegedly discovered 50 years ago, our rendering is probably rather
    primitive," Ok I'm a military BRAT, and I've never even heard rumors about anything this cool being in some governments secret Area 51 kinda computer. Honestly the military wouldn't be able to do this even today given their lack of budget, and the fact all of the people that matter in the military have their heads up their rear ends.

    5) Doubt in your own ability: "TCAP's success hinges upon how reliable our ability to produce such a technology is," most companies wouldn't doubt their own success with such a product if it was for real

    Anyway that's me .02 cents on the whole deal. But if i'm proven wrong, I'll buy an aDSL connection, a quad K7 m-board and 4 of these and do my best to fill them by the end of 2001!!!!!! (and in imho that ain't going to happen, but there's always dreams ehh?)


    "Customer for pkzip on a tech support call: Help you've got to save my computer from exploding .exe, you've got to stop it I don't want my computer to explode!!!!!!!!!!!"

    "What fools these mortals be"
    scary (Score:1)
    by rm -rf /etc/* on Sunday June 27, @11:23AM EDT (#15)
    (User Info) http://www.microsoft.com
    The development team, underneath Phillip Huang, has visualized PC's with "no RAM memory needed" in a future implementation which might mate one or more of the INTEL Pentium II Processor(s) with the "90b8" device, along with an "embedded Windows NT operating system".

    True or not, this line is a scary thought...

    Re:scary - bill gates _is_ an alien! (Score:1, Funny)
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:31AM EDT (#20)
    I thought those redmondians looked suspicious ;)
    Now we know why the "crash" at roswell occured!
    Call me paranoid but...
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:24AM EDT (#16)
    When a no name company starts making extravagent claims like they've replaced the transistor, I'm somewhat skeptical. I suppose that it's possible that they might have discovered something overlooked by all of the giant research laboratories with millions or billions of dollars in funding who are trying to find the same thing. But I wouldn't count on it. I think they're like the nice, young psycho I met the other day while getting off the metro. He handed me a little leaflet claiming that Asprin can cure HIV. He was right about one thing: you certainly wouldn't be worried about AIDS if you did what he suggested; you'd be dead. Anyway, back to the debate at hand. I don't think that trusting John Q. Public for advice on the latest and greatest technology is such a hot idea. Any idiot with a credit card and a PC can put together a web site. Not just any idiot knows enough about physics to do what hundreds of scientists can't do. (Unless of course, they happen to be a really lucky idiot too, in which case all bets are off)
    Mission accomplished!
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:26AM EDT (#18)
    Looks like their aim to suck people in with wild
    claims worked. Just think of all those naive slashdotters
    who've been lured to american pc's site only to
    be blasted with their advertising. This (too good
    to be true) technology is their 'bait'. And it
    looks like it'll catch quite a few eyeballs due
    to the /. effect - hook, line and sinker!
    Re:Mission accomplished! (Score:1)
    by Sun Tzu on Sunday June 27, @11:44AM EDT (#29)
    (User Info) http://www.tfn.net/~yeargin/art01.html
    Sadly, I have to agree... it is an amateurish hoax designed to trick the naive into visiting their web site. After reading the "specs" one would conclude that they have a fully developed, productional product. SCSI, ATAPI interfaces, 128-pin PGA, a snippit of a description of their power and control buses, encrypted media serial number, etc. My favorite part is that they refer you to to their *sales* office for further information, heheh.

    I also like the fact that they photographed "it" in a Pentium II casing as if there was a product that it would just plug into that uses a slot 1 bus. Presumably, it's a slot 1 SCSI or ATAPI bus, the two protocols they claim it supports.

    Yep, this is a hoax alright, but it's working!

    StarshipTraders.com goes into open beta!
    Re:Mission accomplished!
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:51AM EDT (#37)
    How likely are you to buy something from an idiot making absurd claims? Granted, there are a *lot* of stupid people out there, but the fact that this guy was looking on Slashdot for people who don't understand technology says an aweful lot about his sanity.
    Re:Mission accomplished!
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:58AM EDT (#41)
    I don't think he went "looking on Slashdot".
    The modus operandi is to put up a wacky website
    with aliens/roswell/jfk/technologies and just
    pretty much leave it the same, doing minor updates
    every now and then. The page hasn't changed much
    over the year or two it's been up. Inevitably,
    someone stumbles across it and a frenzy ensues.
    I've seen a few trade journalists get caught out
    by this hoax too!!!! Quite amusing really
    Oh dear, aren't these our 'alien tech' friends? (Score:3, Insightful)
    by VonD (krid-n@ku.oc.nocrid) on Sunday June 27, @11:28AM EDT (#19)
    (User Info)
    Before reading the article (and even halfway down it), I was almost gulled into thinking 'cool'
    except that the claims were a bit too good to be true.
    As soon as the article stated mumbling about terahertz speeds (now isn't any electromagnetic wave at frequency somewhere in the
    far infrared range?) and the origins of the complex designs for this technology being totally
    unknown(roswell! roswell!)- I remembered seeing these guys (American Computers) put up similarly preposterous claims previously.

    What I can't work out is:
    a) does American Computer want to be taken seriously on this?
    b) is it some sort of (very silly) con or scam.
    c) some sort of method of getting extra site hits from gullible people (hey I visited the site...).
    d) Some sort of gag/humor site/parody. It did kind of make me smile. If it's a gag, they've certainly made it very deadpan.
    e) do these people really have this product (tinfoil hat time methinks)

    All I know about this site is that it's been around for a while and that they've made similar claims before. I just forgot about them.

    At least the blurb warned us that the information might be rather unreliable....
    Re:Oh dear, aren't these our 'alien tech' friends?
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @12:24PM EDT (#52)
    I remember American Computers from other silly stories as well.

    Hey Rob, is life really this dull ?

    Re:Oh dear, aren't these our 'alien tech' friends? (Score:1)
    by chill on Sunday June 27, @09:42PM EDT (#147)
    (User Info)
    Checking with Network Solutions on a WHOIS gets "nicolai_tesla@MSN.COM" as both the administrative and billing contact.

    Yeah, right. This person needs a life.
    Effective (Score:1)
    by jwp on Sunday June 27, @11:31AM EDT (#21)
    (User Info)
    Hey, I think this is one of the most effective devices I've seen - this week 8).

    It's gotten a bunch of us to check out there web site - that's a very powerful device!

    I guess it's our humour spot for the day.
    Billion != gigabyte (Score:1)
    by colonel (Rob_Russell@Nospam.Ottawa.Com) on Sunday June 27, @11:36AM EDT (#23)
    (User Info) http://rob-russell.home.dhs.org
    bash# echo "90 10 9 ^ * 1024 3 ^ / p" | dc
    83
    bash#

    90 billion bytes is 83 gigs, kiddies.

    (And reverse Polish is your friend)
    -- I wish this place was more Lynx-friendly
    Re:Billion != gigabyte (Score:1)
    by mircea on Sunday June 27, @11:56AM EDT (#40)
    (User Info)
    OK, maybe they misspelled it, we should probably read 90 giga"bites" :P
    CPU or Hard drive?????????????
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:37AM EDT (#24)
    I was reading the article, thinking that this was a harddrive, yet they go onto say "One microscopic TCAP is faster than the very fastest supercomputer ever produced composed of millions of CPUs.". Now I don't know how they are comparing millions of CPU's with hard drive speed, but then again I don't know what there Secret technology is.

    I remember In the middle of last summer, this page was posted to slashdot, but then taken off of the
    page within 20 minutes because its only a web page. No technology, just some kid who knows HTML and lots of buzz words.
    Bwahahaha!!!! (Score:1)
    by BJH on Sunday June 27, @11:38AM EDT (#25)
    (User Info)
    Wow, they weren't even trying to make this believable. If this is a real company, it must be run by some pretty kooky people.

    Average Humanity must be, on the intelligence scale, the equivalent of a "low grade moron" compared with wherever this device's design came from.

    Yeah, and you'd have to be a "low grade moron" to believe any of this crap. I especially like the picture of the wafer - it's just a coin with the face doctored in a paint program. Not to mention the relabelled PII.

    But come to think of it, wih the recent rush of "vapor" products from Silicon Valley, if these guys held an IPO I'd be willing to bet that some idiot with a pile of cash would be drooling to climb on board...

    Ummm... (Score:1)
    by PhoneMonkey (digityger@ddyne.com) on Sunday June 27, @11:42AM EDT (#27)
    (User Info) http://www.exosphere.net
    Rob, should this one be marked with a "foot" instead? Come on....

    It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off
    *yawn* - old news
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:43AM EDT (#28)
    This appeared on slashdot 6 months ago!
    see http://slashdot.org/articles/00000381.shtml
    Re:*yawn* - old news (Score:1)
    by Kalper on Sunday June 27, @10:34PM EDT (#150)
    (User Info) http://www-personal.umich.edu/~firestar
    I first read this 3 years ago, I hadn't been able to find the site again until today...

    Of course, back in '96 they were reporting that it would be out "late 1997 or Q1 1998"...
    Hoax? I don't think so.
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:45AM EDT (#31)
    If the Grays can turn Roswell, NM into a quantum theme park and put a chip in my ass so they can monitor the human race -- why not this?
    Pathetic (Score:1)
    by jhme on Sunday June 27, @11:46AM EDT (#32)
    (User Info)

    I find it pathetic that such crap has made it through /. filtering. Things like this wouldn't even be funny at Segfault.

    My feeling is that /. has been becoming less and less reliable those last three months. When I first came here 10 months ago, it seems that articles and reactions were much less childish and much more dependable. What's happening?


    -- Fast, Cheap, Well. Pick two.
    Re:Pathetic (Score:1)
    by Ageless on Sunday June 27, @11:51AM EDT (#36)
    (User Info) http://www.vonnieda.org
    Did you use your credit card to get access? No? Fine, shut up. These are busy folks. They print what sounds interesting and unless you plan on paying them, they don't have time to read every article. Get over it.
    Re:Pathetic
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @03:47PM EDT (#102)
    I have to agree. A few seconds of critical thinking should have ruled this article (and I use the term loosely) as not worthy of a "news" site. I'm starting to think its about time I search for a new regular "news" site.

    Here's where the bunko shows its face (Score:1)
    by A nonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @11:50AM EDT (#35)
    (User Info)
    Read the last paragraph first ---

    We have no idea where the drawings from which we derived our TCAP came from. They were extremely complex but not that detailed, we had to fill in the gaps. Obviously, very deep studies were performed, and IBM and Western Electric (Bell Labs) were involved in the 1947-1955 analysis of this technology, but from WHERE did it come? [...]

    If you believe anything else after reading that last paragraph, send me money and I will get back to you.

    --

    Don't give your right name, no no no --- Fats Waller
    It's used right now... (Score:1)
    by Grey Dragon (gdragon1*spamproof*@home.*spam*com) on Sunday June 27, @11:54AM EDT (#38)
    (User Info) http://www.members.home.net/gdragon1
    I spke with a representative from ACC through the e-mail... here is what he said to my question about availability to purchase and cost. etc...
    "snip"Yes it is.

    But its only sold with our El Dorado Storage Centers, as we've adapted it
    as a Front Side Cache for Mechanical Hard Drives as a first application.

    It turns up to 2 Terabytes of RAID (normally 8Msec Access Times) into a
    drive store that runs at .5 Msec Average Access time.

    John
    *snip"
    I herd about this from a friend of mine about 6 months ago and emediatly posted it to slashdot... guess I got ignored. (I'm used to that as I come from a family of three older sisters)

    If at first you don't feel good.... eat more chocolate.
    Still a hoax (Score:1)
    by jtl on Sunday June 27, @11:55AM EDT (#39)
    (User Info)
    Last time we saw this the consensus was that
    it was a hoax. I expect it still is.

    Um, hello -- H-O-A-X. (Score:1)
    by mattdm (mattdm@mattdm.org) on Sunday June 27, @11:58AM EDT (#42)
    (User Info) http://quotes-r-us.org/
    This was a hoax last time it was on slashdot, and I think it still is.

    --
    Quotes 'R' Us is way cool. 'Least, I think so.

    Just a pipe dream... for now... (Score:2, Informative)
    by JariK on Sunday June 27, @12:00PM EDT (#43)
    (User Info)
    I would label this as another pipe dream whipped up to attract interest
    from the public... at least until I've seen some real progress in wafer
    scale integration in the commercial area. The idea in it self to use
    whole wafers of memory, processors or combinations of them is in no way
    new (I even have a vague recollection of Sir Clive of ZX fame funding some
    project way back). After doing a little bit of digging around on the net
    I found an interesting article in EE Times at
    http://www.eet.com/news/98/1001news/switch.html)

    The company mentioned in the article seems still to be alive (and can be
    found at http://www.hyperchip.com) and seems to be intent to develop a
    peta-bit router. Still no sight of a real product though.

    Here are a couple of points with wafer scale integration that the article
    spreads some light on. The larger the circuit the less yield you will get
    from the process. To get around this you add circuits to detect and work
    around these errors - but these corrective circuits are also marred by the
    same amount of errors as the rest of the wafer. And adding even more
    redundant circuits eats up more and more of the wafer. And in the end the
    yields were to low to make it commercially viable.

    And Richard Norman from Hyperchip says "The only commercial wafer-scale
    product I have heard of was a 2-Mbit, 3-inch SRAM wafer back in the days of
    64-kbit SRAM chips"

    Neat idea though... but until you show me the silicon I will not show you
    my money. But do read the article in EE Times - it's a nice piece.

    Jari
    Don't write off redundancy (Score:1)
    by DrMazz (DrMazz@iName.killthespam.com) on Sunday June 27, @06:48PM EDT (#131)
    (User Info)
    The larger the circuit the less yield you will get from the process. To get around this you add circuits to detect and work around these errors - but these corrective circuits are also marred by the same amount of errors as the rest of the wafer. And adding even more redundant circuits eats up more and more of the wafer. And in the end the yields were to low to make it commercially viable.

    It should be pointed out that redundant circuitry is a viable method of dramatically increasing yield - often by several orders of magnitude - depending on the architecture of the circuit. Of course, wafer scale yields without redundancy are generally negligible in the first place (because the chance of having no critical defects in a very large circuit is very small), so several orders of magnitude might not be enough. I should know a little about it, as my PhD was in that area.

    Using redundant circuitry, you have some capacity to fix defects in the wafer. This is more useful for regular architectures composed of small functional components, or at least those composed of several instances of each functional component.

    If one ignores both power consumption and the possibility of errors in the portions of the wafer containing redundant circuits, redundancy looks like a panacea - simply add as much as you like until you can almost always fix the defects that will occur.

    It's never that simple. Those redundant circuits are also likely to contain some defects of their own. You can partly mitigate this by reducing the amount of extra circuitry by moving the detection functionality off the wafer (for manufacturing at least). Since this only has to be done once, there's no point wasting silicon on that. This idea helps, but doesn't solve the problem.

    The next step might be to use cleverly designed redundant circuits can tolerate some defects without malfunction, but there is still an associated portion where any defect of sufficient size will break the entire wafer. The more redundancy you add, the more likely there is to be such a defect.

    In the end (to a very simple first approximation), it's a tradeoff between redundancy improving the yield of the original circuitry, and decreasing yield due to the possibility of fatal defects in the redundant circuitry - but you're much better off using redundancy than not.

    The other point is that most of the algorithms designed to detect and correct defects for most architectures are NP-complete or computationally infeasible (i.e. exponential time complexity or worse). That means they are really hard problems, but also that advances in heuristics might also bring about incremental yield gains.

    Cheers, DrMazz.

    A good Idea I just had (Score:1)
    by delmoi (delmoi at hot mail dot com) on Sunday June 27, @09:24PM EDT (#144)
    (User Info)
    What if you made whole wafer chips out of a large number of connected components, then cut the wafers up the way you would a normal one.

    you could then "reassemble" the wafer from the working componints. I think this would work well for RAM type applications, and parrallel chips, etc. I don't know how posible it would be to "reassemble" the chips though...
    _
    "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
    Chad Okere, self apointed Unquestioned Lord of the internet
    This is FAKE. FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE (Score:1)
    by Largo_3 (genom@genom.com) on Sunday June 27, @12:01PM EDT (#45)
    (User Info) http://wwww.genom.com
    I've seen this ad/website for almost 2 years, it changes every now and then it once had a pic of a Pii chip with a obviously fake superimposed label over the intel sticker and claimed 'this' was the product.

    this site is bogus, and I'm amazed slashdot was fooled by this really lame site.


    Free advertisement, drive through. (Score:1)
    by oblom (oblom@FSCK_SPAM.netscape.net) on Sunday June 27, @12:02PM EDT (#46)
    (User Info) http://www.nyrei.com
    Folks,

    You have to remember that /. effect can be used for any purpose. What can be a better advertisement for online computer shop than a few thousand 'impressions' in one day.

    So, for all you guys who want to boost their web site but have no money to spend on adds, here is
    'Marketing_Made_Easy-HOWTO':


    1. Search /. for some technical buzzwords that seem to interest people most of all.

    2. Write a pseudo technical announcement of the breakthrough your company has achieved with this product.

    3. Post it on /. as a 'leaked' info (leaked part is optional but will definitely add some plausibility).

    4. Try to keep up with the orders pouring in on your real products.


    P. S. I'm very much afraid of the 'tyranny of the majority' myself, but maybe there should be moderation for the articles implemented on /.




    Special to the "The High Technology Journal" (Score:2)
    by Rayban on Sunday June 27, @12:03PM EDT (#48)
    (User Info) http://www.yellow5.com/pokey
    I haven't been able to find any mention of this periodical anywhere. Anyone ever actually hear about it, let alone see it?
    HOORAY: http://www.yellow5.com/pokey
    fruit break (Score:1)
    by morbid (morbid@delphinus.demon.co.uk) on Sunday June 27, @12:56PM EDT (#68)
    (User Info) http://www.delphinus.demon.co.uk
    Must be a fruit break or something.
    All those links! They all point to the same Pokey story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and it doesn't even make sense and the Gimp will not find my PNG library and it's all going horribly WRONG and my Wankel engine has died.

    Bah.

    Re:fruit break
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @01:50PM EDT (#83)
    NO THE LINKS ARE MIRRORS EXTRA STORIES CAN BE FOUND IN THE ARCHIVES!

    PLEASE FOLLOW THE LINK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE NICE PAGES FOR ALL MY STORIES!! HOORAY!!


    POKEY
    http://www.yellow5.com/pokey
    Re: Journal?....No, The National Examiner! (Score:1)
    by mobius89 on Monday June 28, @09:23AM EDT (#190)
    (User Info)
    No, I haven't seen this journal anywhere, but I have a copy of an article from the National Examiner (Vol. 35, No. 52, December 1998) above my desk titled "Company Uses Blueprints from Crashed UFO to Make Supercomputer." It talks about this "TCAP" and how the guy that found it (Jack Shulman of American Computer Co.) is trying to sell it to General Electric.

    So, unless the National Examiner is a respected computer journal....

    Mobius
    PS (Score:1)
    by mattdm (mattdm@mattdm.org) on Sunday June 27, @12:13PM EDT (#50)
    (User Info) http://quotes-r-us.org/
    Most people here seem to have no sense of humor. The part about the alien technology, and the way it's a Slot 1 device, and all the other junk in the article = funny. Not "a poorly done hoax". It's not meant to be believable. Jeesh.

    --
    Quotes 'R' Us is way cool. 'Least, I think so.

    Crazy....BUT (Score:1)
    by Accipiter (shadSowfireP@hotAmail.cMom) on Sunday June 27, @12:29PM EDT (#54)
    (User Info) http://www.hackphreak.org
    I think this company is full of shit. Mainly because of the "HINT HINT, It's ALIEN TECHNOLOGY" crap they threw around in the article:


    "We have no idea where the drawings from which we derived our TCAP came from."

    Obviously, very deep studies were performed, and IBM and Western Electric (Bell Labs) were involved in the 1947-1955 analysis of this technology, but from WHERE did it come?'

    Average Humanity must be, on the intelligence scale, the equivalent of a "low grade moron" compared with wherever this device's design came from.


    Gimme a break. These people are probably starving for attention, and rightfully so. Their webpage/dedign looks like it's for a back woods computer store, not some highly advanced lab mucking around with alien technology. If you think about it, these are probably the same people who camp out in lawn chairs looking for UFO's, and say "the God Damn Twister sounded like a Freight Train!"

    P.S.: They probably got a cheap thrill from seeing their (shitty) logo on a PII cartridge. God, they're lame.

    -- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
    (If you can't figure out how to E-Mail me, Don't. :P)

    These guys are crazy
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @12:29PM EDT (#55)
    Thanks to Google, I found some secret (I guess) page with a whole lot of Roswell stuff. This definately does NOT look like a business site. I looks like some kid's homepage.
    Re:These guys are crazy
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @12:30PM EDT (#57)
    Whoops! (shoulda used Preview) heres the URL: http://accpc.com/roswell.htm

    For A Real Laugh ...
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @12:30PM EDT (#58)

    The funniest stuff is actually on the rest of ACC's site. Check out their history, for a look at their founder visionary's mugshot and learn how they invented "A very potent cypher system which even today can not be decoded using any existing code breaker but itself (tech item 'm').

    I particularly like item 'r' (Office of the Future), of which MacOS and Windows are apparently derivative products and items 'w' (Eurodollars and Wall Street's automatic trading system).

    Oh yeah, and item 'a' (a programming language which turned calculators into true minicomputers in 1968 was apparently invented by ACC before they were even founded in 1970.

    a little fish in a big pond
    there is no .sig here... it is a .figment of your imagination


    Re:For A Real Laugh ... (Score:1)
    by ItsBacon on Sunday June 27, @05:05PM EDT (#113)
    (User Info)
    That is quite funny. I want to know what moron with no life took the time to write all of this up. Who do they think they are fooling? Or is this just some big joke site? The world may never know...

    ------------------------
    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    --- Mohandas Gandhi

    For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism
    THIS IS BULLSHIT.
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @12:31PM EDT (#59)
    Why is /. posting BULLSHIT like this ?
    For a full analysis of this crap go to :
    http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9587
    90gig solid state hard drive? (Score:1)
    by hogeye on Sunday June 27, @12:31PM EDT (#60)
    (User Info)
    This seems to fall into the same catagory as :
    (1) cold fusion
    (2) desktop computer capable of 12 teraflops and runs on house current.
    (3) fuel cell powered cell phone that runs on alcohol. (This one may be true but I can't verify it).

    I have heard that source of most of these rumors and stories of miraculous theories and devices can be traced back to Utah, the home of the greatest technology scams.
    Re:90gig solid state hard drive? (Score:1)
    by Peter Koren (pkoren@hex.elide-this.net) on Sunday June 27, @01:50PM EDT (#84)
    (User Info)
    #(3) I think is real. I saw several main stream articles on a spin-off from Los Alamos National Labs, which promised this capability very soon.

    It is based upon a roll up polymer sheet with the "right" electrical properties.

    I don't know if it is actually going to be available, as there are some real issues. The user needs to refill the battery with alcohol.

    But it is not a scam like (1) and (2). This one should not be in the list with the others.

    rm -rf microsoft*
    Re:90gig solid state hard drive? (Score:1)
    by Shadowcaster (shadowcaster@right_here.net) on Sunday June 27, @02:07PM EDT (#87)
    (User Info)
    Don't forget:
    4) Solar Powered Flashlights
    5) Glass Hammers
    6) High-Strength Muffler Belts

    :)
    Re:90gig solid state hard drive? (Score:1)
    by mmontour (mmontour@iname.com) on Sunday June 27, @06:12PM EDT (#120)
    (User Info)
    >4) Solar Powered Flashlights

    Hey, I have one of those (NiCd battery + photovoltaic cells).

    The alcohol-powered fuel cell is (or will be) real as well. Hasn't anyone seen Futurama? This will be the power source for robotics in the future!

    (You could probably make a decent glass hammer as well if you really tried. Glass can be surprisingly tough if it's tempered, then the surface is chemically etched to remove microscopic cracks).


    Fuel cell powered cell phone (Score:1)
    by unitron (unitron@familycom.com) on Sunday June 27, @05:11PM EDT (#115)
    (User Info)
    See the July '99 (just came out) edition of Scientific American for more than several pages about fuel cells, including how small ones, recharged with methanol capsules, could replace batteries in many handheld devices.


    "I wish I could change my sig file without the change being retroactive" unitron
    hoax of the week... (Score:1)
    by m|sTaMoFo on Sunday June 27, @12:33PM EDT (#61)
    (User Info)
    this is even sillier than last week's story about the pc with 60,000 times the power of a PII 300....

    i think Commander Taco gets REALLY bored on Sundays, which happen to be the only fast day for news on /.
    We're not alone
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @12:37PM EDT (#62)
    We aren't the only ones bashing ACC. Some guys dug up some info on the company and apparently pissed ACC off. Check it out: http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/feb/d11-005.shtml
    Hilarious! (Score:2)
    by Booker (sandeen.no@spam.io.com) on Sunday June 27, @01:18PM EDT (#74)
    (User Info)
    Damn, there are some wacked out people in the world. I like the rant about kasparov.com, in which they say that Jack Shulman correctly predicted Kasparov's defeat by Big Blue... (Jack Shulman is also the genius who invented the aforementioned TCAP device...) And check this from their web page! (just in case anyone thought all this might be for real...)
    The e4 staff recently learned that IBM DEEP BLUE may soon have a serious computational competitor: a newly designed supercomputer, "Debbi-1", is reportedly being readied by American Computer Company. Debbi-1 is said to be based on AMERICAN COMPUTER's "XB-70 Valkyrie" supercomputer, a design which uses the latest INTEL technology, reputed to be similar in nature to the largest supercomputer on earth -- which is presently located at Sandia National Laboratories.
    Go Debbi-1! :)
    Re:Hilarious! (Score:1)
    by Y2K is bogus on Monday June 28, @01:50AM EDT (#170)
    (User Info) http://www.apsoft.com/~pedward/
    Debbi does chess?
    Debbi does deep blue?
    Debbi does Kasparov?

    Hehe, it had to be said.
    Important question! (Score:1)
    by zosima (zosima@geocities.com) on Sunday June 27, @12:44PM EDT (#63)
    (User Info) http://yenko.verbum.org
    Will this work with my Elbrus E2K chip/mobo??? If it will, sign me up!
    My TODO-list (Score:1)
    by segmentation fault on Sunday June 27, @12:52PM EDT (#65)
    (User Info)

    1. Save some money
    2. Buy shares in this company
    3. Sleep for a couple of years
    4. Sell the shares for about 100 times as much as I payed for them.
    5. Sit back and laugh while the complany goes down in flame as even the really stupid investors realizes it's a scam.

    If there is one single thing I regret, it is that I did not buy shares in Opticom a couple of years ago.


    -segfault
    Re:My TODO-list (Score:1)
    by segmentation fault on Sunday June 27, @01:30PM EDT (#77)
    (User Info)

    I have changed my mind, after realizing that this is a joke, not a scam. My new TODO-list is now:

    1. Save some money
    2. Use them to buy pizza,cola,new computers and cartoons
    3. GOTO 1


    -segfault
    Alien Spam Mail (Score:1)
    by Accipiter (shadSowfireP@hotAmail.cMom) on Sunday June 27, @12:56PM EDT (#69)
    (User Info) http://www.hackphreak.org
    The Hottest Business Opportunity to Hit Earth this Year!

    Earn Full Time Income on a Part Time Basis, and spend your vacations on the BEAUTIFUL beaches of Jupiter!

    New storage devices which store thousands of times more than conventional hard drives are a smashing success on Earth! Recovered from one of our crashed scout ships over 50 Earth-years ago, the human race actually believes this crappy technology is USEFUL! What does this mean for YOU, the alien Enterpreneuer? MONEY!

    Now for the first time these machines are being hyped. The earth market will grow to thousands of machines within the next 12-18 months according to industry experts. We are seeking qualified individuals who are looking
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    Please refer to Code X615 when you call.

    -- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
    (If you can't figure out how to E-Mail me, Don't. :P)

    Re:Alien Spam Mail (Score:1)
    by Shadowcaster (shadowcaster@right_here.net) on Sunday June 27, @01:51PM EDT (#85)
    (User Info)
    *ROFL*
    *ROFL*

    And, if you don't have Interuniversal ATnT (Alien Telephone and Telegraph) you can reach them at MSN: nicolai_tesla@msn.com


    Re:Alien Spam Mail (Score:1)
    by Steve B (steveb@NoPinkStuff.Radix.Net) on Sunday June 27, @03:59PM EDT (#103)
    (User Info) http://www.radix.net/~steveb
    My SETI@home screensaver suddenly quit displaying the usual pretty pictures, and started spitting out the following message in a text crawl:

    THIS REALLY WORKS!!

    Send 10^30 deuterium atoms to each of the five planets on this list. Then, remove the entry at the #1 position of this list, move all the other entries one level up the list, and enter the name of your planet at the #5 position. Within 50 planetary revolutions, you will be supplied with enough deuterium to power an entire industrial civilization!

    Act NOW and receive a free Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator!!

    Remember, this plan depends on your honesty to work!
    /.
    If the government wants us to respect the law, it should set a better example.

    Another problem: Memory Errors! (Score:2)
    by AtariDatacenter on Sunday June 27, @01:03PM EDT (#71)
    (User Info) http://www.kfu.com/~nsayer/games/tempest.html
    I have a about 25 servers with 4GB+ of ECC memory. Guess what? Every month or two, one of them needs a DIMM replaced due to persistent ECC memory errors. Memory is not absolutely perfect. In especially high quantities (50+ gb), there are going to be flaws on the chips.

    So you've got a ~90gb solid state drive on a single chip. What's going to be my bit error rate? And it seems rather expensive to replace a single $900 chip when it goes bad.

    Yet another reason why this article is bogus. (That, and it may have low access times... but one a single chip, what's going to be my throughput in mb/sec?)

    -- Wishing that modern PCs had vector monitors.

    Re:Another problem: Memory Errors! (Score:1)
    by ryand (ryand@canada.com) on Sunday June 27, @05:07PM EDT (#114)
    (User Info) http://ryand.dyndns.org
    According to them, it's supposed to be around
    1MB per 10ns.

    "limited by the computer it is connected to, reading a full 1 million bytes of information could take as little as 10 nanoseconds"

    Meaning you'd get 100,000,000 MB per second
    (100 GB)

    Imagine that.

    Of course, it also says that it _could_ take as little as - no mention of actually possible numbers if any. After all, we have to remember that it's limited by the speed of the computer.
    "My computer keep crashing, I don't know if it's a virus, or if it's Microsoft" - friend
    Re:Another problem: Memory Errors! (Score:1)
    by John Whitley on Sunday June 27, @05:36PM EDT (#116)
    (User Info)
    So you've got a ~90gb solid state drive on a single chip. What's going to be my bit error rate?

    The article does state that this is 90gb storage, plus error correction, but gives no details. Note that modern hard drives would be useless without all sorts of error correction going on internally -- the native media error rates are already high enough to render them unusable in a "raw" state. The question ask about any high-density storage is: How much storage is left after applying error correction sufficient to the intended application?

    "TCAP" technology... (Score:1)
    by Marasmus (marasmus@vectorstar.com) on Sunday June 27, @01:08PM EDT (#72)
    (User Info) http://www.vectorstar.com/
    The interest in Transistor IC-based storage has been in the works for a good decade! Sure, this product does seem to go way overboard on the processing speed (in terahertz? come on!) for these little buggers, but the technology itself is NOT that hard to create! All it really takes is an electromagnetically-sensitive substance that conducts electricity in one state of matter and not the other.
    This particular article does not seem valid to me, but not due to the large disk size or the high speed bus. The only thing out of the ordinary from the limitations in diametric storage methods is the clock speed of the internal processing.
    Basically, my opinion here is that although this particular article is most likely invalid, rest assured that the REAL thing WILL be on the market within two years. Guaranteed.
    domain name info - aka bogus
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @01:21PM EDT (#75)
    Domain Name: ACCPC.COM

    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
    Sysop, Java (JS5587) nicolai_tesla@MSN.COM
    908-272-3330 (FAX) 908-272-6297
    Billing Contact:
    Sysop, Java (JS5587) nicolai_tesla@MSN.COM
    908-272-3330 (FAX) 908-272-6297

    Record last updated on 12-Dec-97.
    Record created on 12-Dec-97.
    Database last updated on 26-Jun-99 09:01:24 EDT.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    NS1.SYSTEMV.COM 206.214.38.13
    SYSV1.SYSTEMV.COM 199.35.37.2

    And the www server at www.accpc.com claims to be running Apache 0.6.5.


    Web Spam (Score:1)
    by xerx on Sunday June 27, @01:22PM EDT (#76)
    (User Info)
    This is just spam of a different flavor. Creating false products, registering lots of domains simular to real sites, etc. But it works... Made it on to slashdot.

    BTW, I've got this perpetual motion UPS system that this pink guy gave me.

    Xerx
    Re:Web Spam (Score:1)
    by starman97 on Sunday June 27, @06:39PM EDT (#128)
    (User Info)
    Is that the same pink guy who keeps trying to steal my cellphone?

    Watch out.. He's sneaky...
    /. effect should fight for Truth! (Score:1)
    by jazmataz23 (jazmataz23@hotmale.comonyall.figgeritout) on Sunday June 27, @01:32PM EDT (#79)
    (User Info) http://www.slac.com/#wearent
    I was reading the mass-storage Ask Slashdot thread this morning; somone posted this link there. Apparently, someone submitted the link back in as a news article. Here's a link with good debunking material from that previous thread. So is that all well and good? We know now we won't be buying into their 90GiB chip, much less a new video card from these clowns, right?

    But! I spent some time reading their "forum" section. This is a truly frightening place; there seem to be three or four posts daily asking for corroborative links, which are responded to by "avatars" flaming the bejeezus out of the querant. I'm bothered by this; I'm so used to /.'s freewheeling, the-ones-that-know-tell-everyone-else-what-the-real-deal-is nature of slashdot forums. The conscensus of this /. forum is to dismiss it; this is a joke or publicity stunt. In fact it isn't. These guys take themselves very seriously, and are openly hostile to any and all references to actual (peer-reviewed) research.

    Ask Ed Gehrman what he's experienced with this site. He's posted several comments on their site, but then gets childishly (and publicly) ridiculed by the maintainers of the forum, not on the merit of his posts, but the size of his genitalia, literacy, family, etc. This from the supposed CS/EE's, makers of Tommorow's Tommorrow's Technology who can't even spell "teraherz" or "dialectrics" (sic).

    I sent Ed a link to Third Voice, and did a touch of debunking myself. If we all went to the site & tore apart their claims, perhaps we can rescue the idiots who're listening to their claims (and sending $$ and equipment to further research, believe it or not. I saw the posts on the forum today).

    Anyway, that's my perfect scenario, now that this snake oil operation as once again resurfaced on /.: what if 1000's of /.ers descend on their little party armed with facts and reason... "what a wonderful world it would be..."

    So go forth, my fellow Knights of Reason and Heroines of Truth (or vice/versa :) ). Take up your expertise, your passion, your wit, and take these goons to task! Yield no quarter, take no prisoners, kick ass, forget names, and have fun with it!

    jaz 'guevera'

    I smoke sigs, period.

    This was on /. in January (Score:1)
    by jek on Sunday June 27, @01:35PM EDT (#80)
    (User Info)
    http://slashdot.org/articles/00000381.s html
    Wanna hear this wacko talk? (Score:1)
    by viperx2 (dokujaryu@hotmail.com) on Sunday June 27, @01:38PM EDT (#81)
    (User Info)
    http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/9805/end0501.ram

    I got through 20 minutes of it. My ears started to fill with bullshit, and I might not be able to hear for a while.

    Viper-X
    -- The more you tighten your grip.... --
    People, please show a little sympathy! (Score:2, Funny)
    by ariels (ariels@compugen.co.il) on Sunday June 27, @01:48PM EDT (#82)
    (User Info)
    I really feel sorry for the poor little green men (tm) on Mars. Imagine being stuck with "embedded Windows NT" on every single 90GB hard disk!

    why do you keep reporting this stuff
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @02:20PM EDT (#88)
    why do you keep reporting this stuff
    fake fake fake fake fake fake fake
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @02:27PM EDT (#89)
    fake
    Remove! (Score:1)
    by Whizzmo on Sunday June 27, @02:50PM EDT (#92)
    (User Info) http://www.qwk.net/~mmess
    Would someone please remove this whole article tree? Someone might come along and actually believe this [excrement].
    I'd hate for /. to contribute to the fundage of a spammer.
    -- (When porcine entities self-aviate)
    Re:Remove! (Score:1)
    by mmontour (mmontour@iname.com) on Monday June 28, @02:29AM EDT (#174)
    (User Info)
    Come on. There are enough cries of 'conspiracy!' and 'censorship!' when a Slashdot article disappears for technical reasons. You'd never hear the end of it if this one got yanked. :-)

    (We do need a 'crackpot' icon for the front page, though).






    Take a look around their site... (Score:1)
    by MadSci (Scott.Miller23@nospam.gte.net) on Sunday June 27, @02:55PM EDT (#93)
    (User Info) http://home.miller.org
    Be sure to check out http://accpc.com/roswell00.htm. Apparently, Bell labs never actually developed anything on their own, they just stole it from the aliens.
    C'mon, ACC is a computer retailer, not an R&D firm! They didn't even do a good job of faking a press release. Their grammar and punctuation is worse than CmdrTaco's, and the 'press release' quotes one of their own people when 'reached for comment.' Why would the company need to reach their own people for comment on a press release?
    Maybe /. needs a humor section... this certainly doesn't belong in 'news'.
    pretty obviously a hoax (Score:1)
    by hqm on Sunday June 27, @03:03PM EDT (#94)
    (User Info)
    Since there is a complete and total lack of any technical details about the technology,
    there is no way to verify any of their claims.

    But the tip off to me is that the technical details of power usage
    they do give are totally bullshit. They don't
    understand how power consumption works - it
    requires an easily calculated amount of power to
    drive the *io pins*, and the data rates, they are talking about, even if they used only 100 millivolt (!) IO signaling levels, instead of 3V, it would still require at least 6 watts to
    just drive the I/O pins at 6 Gbit/sec.

    If they use 1 v signalling levels, it would require 600 watts (1/2 C V^2, y'know).

    So, if their EE calculations are that divorced
    from reality on just the I/O, I think it is safe
    to say the rest is a complete hoax.


    would still require about
    Their pictures tell us its a hoax.
    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 27, @03:07PM EDT (#95)
    their pictures are of (1) an electronically "enhanced" PII cartridge... utterly stupid and (2) a what looks like a 4inch, cheapass wafer. the WHOLE wafer, it hasnt been cut yet. besides, we havent been using 4 inch wafers in five years... we're up to 8 and 12 now...

    patrickg@@earthling.net
    This shouldn't have been posted. (Score:1)
    by Rainy on Sunday June 27, @03:10PM EDT (#96)
    (User Info)
    Let's see..
    "We stronly suspect aliens made these plans and military looted them from alien's spaceship in '40s. IBM was trying to figure them out back then but couldn't, but now we got a really bright scientist and we did it.. this thing is great, its 90gig, its 14 Teraherz, transfer rates in terabits per second. ATAPI interface included. We'll start at $800/pop but soon it'll be $20 a dozen."

    Is it me, or shouldn't this have been posted?
    ATTENTION: do not read this sig. It doesn't say much.
    Roswell (Score:3, Informative)
    by MindStalker (johnlar@tfn.spam.net) on Sunday June 27, @03:12PM EDT (#97)
    (User Info) http://www.tfn.net/~johnlar/index.html
    Oh yes, they are very credible, they also claim that aliens helped them invent the transistor.

    sure I believe them.


    ~A nerd is someone whose life revolved around computers and technology. A geek is someone whose life revo