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Amiga Reveals Future Design Plans

Posted by CmdrTaco on Sun May 23, 1999 02:49 PM
from the platform-that-never-dies dept.
DrPsycho writes "The folks at Amiga International have put out some information about where their next generation computer systems might be headed. Jim Collas president of Amiga, gives a few tidbits in his ">Executive Update, but to cut to the juicy bits... they've posted concept drawings for their "next generation mulitmedia computer" due out in late Q4 of this year. These concepts look suspiciously like PalmPilots and iMacs, if you ask me. "
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  • Re:Ease of use by emission (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @05:17PM
  • Amiga was acquired by Gateway 2000 in 1997... by pantheon (Score:2) Sunday May 23 1999, @11:14AM
  • Re:Buggy apps, not buggy OS by starling (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @11:21AM
  • Re:From a former Amiga owner. by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Sunday May 23 1999, @03:48PM
  • Re:What makes you think it's gonna be good? by DarthJerbo (Score:1) Wednesday May 26 1999, @12:58AM
  • BeOS by Fweeky (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @02:13AM
  • Re:This isnt the final design. by ExRex (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @12:52PM
  • Re:Dedicated for Linux by DrPsycho (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @11:50AM
  • Re:From a former Amiga owner. by Sri Ramkrishna (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @06:19PM
  • Re: VisualPrefs fixes scrollbars... by Ben Hutchings (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @09:56AM
  • Re:Cheese. by miyax (Score:1) Tuesday May 25 1999, @11:33AM
  • Re:Buggy apps, not buggy OS by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @02:13PM
  • Re:Let's hope this isn't another hoax! by Halster (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @12:14PM
  • Re:Buggy apps, not buggy OS by Ben Hutchings (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @10:13AM
  • This should be on SegFault by Sinner (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @11:33AM
  • Re:Buggy apps, not buggy OS by arielb (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @01:34PM
  • Re:Buggy apps, not buggy OS by tzanger (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @01:01PM
  • Re:Amiga Community by Fluffy the Cat (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @12:28PM
  • Re:Another OS that beats Linux by kolla (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @08:25AM
  • Re:"Amiga" is an ideal, not a computer by hanway (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @07:36AM
  • Long Live Amy by raal (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @05:23PM
  • Re:From a former Amiga owner. by Fweeky (Score:2) Sunday May 23 1999, @11:18PM
  • The Meaning of Amiga by XenonOfArcticus (Score:1) Wednesday May 26 1999, @05:18AM
  • Get coding! by Ford Prefect (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @12:32PM
  • Ease of use by gavinhall (Score:2) Monday May 24 1999, @03:45AM
  • Dedicated for Linux by Gary Franczyk (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @10:17AM
  • Re: "No chance..." - Well, I disagree. by Ben Hutchings (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @10:00AM
  • Re:Why all the trashing? BECAUSE ITS TRENDY. by goomba (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @04:10PM
  • Re:Ain't it sad? by Ben Hutchings (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @10:07AM
  • Re:Ease of use by BitchLick (Score:1) Tuesday May 25 1999, @09:12PM
  • But *WHY*? by EnglishTim (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @12:40AM
  • by Rustybrain (19567) on Sunday May 23 1999, @11:36AM (#1882345)
    First of all, the Amiga isn't really dead. We still have Amiga
    Format, selling ~15.000 copies a month, as well as tens of other
    printed mags. Some of them really professionally done. The Video
    Toaster is still used lot's of places, as is Scala. They still do
    their job very well.

    However, the biggest proof of the Amiga still being alive is
    probably the user community. Although not of the same size as the
    Linux one, it is truely a special thing to be part of. Lot's of
    new free- and shareware is uploaded to the Aminet every day, and
    that's just a part of what is being released. The demo scene is
    very vibrant even these days, and Amiga coders are doing full
    screen texture mapping in 20 FPS even on the AGA chipset, which
    most people claimed was useless for anything like this a few
    years ago. Quake was released commercially for the Amiga, Myst was
    released commercially for the Amiga. All thanks to active users who
    have been pestering the software houses. We'll get Shogo this
    autumn as well!

    G3 and G4 boards are on their way, 603 and 604 boards are already
    out and quite well supported (though only as a co-pro to the existing
    68040 or 68060 processor - yet!) We have 3D boards and brill 16
    bit sound boards, and even the A1200 have proven to be quite
    upgradable. Just apply a bit of creativity and you can have lot's of
    equipment attached to even the clock header on the mother board!

    Sure, we're lagging a bit behind Wintel boxes hardware wise, and
    the OS still lacks some important functions, but we are having fun,
    and there's still lots and lots of stuff happening out there,
    and tens of thousands users proving that the Amiga is not dead.

    Together with the user community, I believe that there's still a
    good chance the Amiga can make a large comeback. Gateway isn't
    exactly poor either, and with the latest hirings of staff ... well,
    I belive they can do it.
    impressive comeback
  • Re:Dedicated for Linux by Fluffy the Cat (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @12:03PM
  • Re:"Amiga" is an ideal, not a computer by Andrew Kanaber (Score:2) Monday May 24 1999, @04:27PM
  • Re:Can anyone beleive Amiga anymore? by wysiwyg (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @12:04PM
  • Re: "No chance..." - Well, I disagree. by Rustybrain (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @11:41AM
  • Re:Games machine? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @01:42PM
  • Re:Let's hope this isn't another hoax! by Graymalkin (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @09:09PM
  • This isnt the final design. by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Sunday May 23 1999, @10:23AM
  • Re:Amiga is the very definition of "Zombieware" by Halster (Score:2) Sunday May 23 1999, @04:12PM
  • Re:Amiga Community by wysiwyg (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @10:49AM
  • take a look at this by sad_ (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @03:05AM
  • Re:Buggy apps, not buggy OS by Crass Spektakel (Score:1) Tuesday May 25 1999, @10:44PM
  • Re:Can anyone believe Amiga anymore? Sure! by Crass Spektakel (Score:1) Tuesday May 25 1999, @11:05PM
  • Re:AmigaOS ... can it comeback in Y2K? by Fweeky (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @12:43AM
  • Re:Poor little Amiga by toriver (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @07:56AM
  • Re:Dedicated for Linux by Sloppy (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @11:08AM
  • Re:Dedicated for Linux by Sloppy (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @06:14PM
  • Re:Can anyone believe Amiga anymore? Sure! by Stephen Williams (Score:2) Sunday May 23 1999, @11:41PM
  • by Cptn Proton (29372) on Sunday May 23 1999, @01:56PM (#1882375)
    It really is time that somebody classify, diagnose, and assign a name to this kind of behavior.

    The Amiga is clearly the walking dead of computing platforms. Existing in the netherworld of computing somewhere between the reality of a viable business to a company being reduced to paper filled cardboard boxes in a storage unit. All the while tormenting former users with empty dreams of support and innovation.

    Thus, the amiga is "Zombieware". Remember, this is where it was first defined.

    Some may ask "is this not Vaporware??". No, it is not. Vaporware comes primarily from companies that actually are producing some kind of product and seem to have a viable existance.
    In other word, Zombieware makes Vaporware look good.
  • /. bullshitters by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @05:12AM
  • Saving Private Rue-true story by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @03:17PM
  • Re:Get coding! by Ford Prefect (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @02:37PM
  • Re:From a former Amiga owner. by Ben Hutchings (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @09:33AM
  • Buggy apps, not buggy OS by starling (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @10:32AM
  • Re:Games machine? by Ben Hutchings (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @10:09AM
  • Re:Definitely NOT PPC by birchallr (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @06:26PM
  • Re:Buggy apps, not buggy OS by starling (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @02:37PM
  • by gavinhall (33) on Sunday May 23 1999, @07:06PM (#1882390)
    Posted by The Famous Brett Watson:

    I don't know whether this latest batch of promises and vapour will materialise into something solid and worthwhile. Wake me up when it's actually in the shops, because I lost heart years ago and gave up on the Amiga, at least as far as being interested in what's supposed to be coming next.

    I have a few Amigas lying around amongst my various pieces. I don't remember what happened to the original A1000, and I don't really care, since it was only of historical interest. The A2000s I have are becoming terribly long in the tooth and hard to maintain. I'm running out of monitors that work, and I have to cannibalise one to fix the other now and then. This makes using the Amiga less than a joy. I only use it for the things that the PCs just can't do, and for the occasional bit of nostalgia.

    Although I've basically given up on the Amigas I have lying around the place, I haven't given up on the essence of Amiga. This is best explained by comparision with Linux. Linux is a robust implementation of Unix, it's free, and it comes with the source code. That description, although accurate, completely fails to capture the essence of Linux. The essence of Linux, and of Amiga, is the sense of being part of a large, creative community of people who are truly passionate about their use of computers. Contrast this with anything Microsoftian.

    On the other hand, Linux and Amiga are two very different things. The one will never be the other, and there's no reason why they should. It would be nice if the two communities would work on their similarities rather than their differences, of course. We know about the strengths of Linux, so let me reintroduce the strengths of the Amiga to those who have forgotten (or never knew).

    Amiga was the epitome of multimedia. The Amiga had been around for years before the term "Multimedia PC" was coined to describe a PC that came with a CD-ROM drive, sound card, and a pair of jam-tins-on-string speakers. The Amiga didn't just have sound and graphics capabilities, it had well-implemented sound and graphics capabilities. The entire architecture screamed out "make me do cool stuff!" It inspired an entire sub-culture of demo-coders. It could do stuff with one meg of memory and one floppy disk that would stop people in their tracks and make them look. The enthusiasm and passion for coolness possessed by the designers of the Amiga exuded out of it and inspired you to use it in cool and creative ways.

    Linux is no substitute for the Amiga, folks. I have to explain this to those of you who never experienced the essence of Amiga first hand. Linux has its own essence, and a good one at that, but I really would rather have both than just Linux. I like to do cool stuff on-screen and genlock it over video. I have a game-show which runs this way on ten year old Amiga hardware, and I haven't been able to get a PC to do the same thing yet.

    Whether or not Gateway (or whoever else may come into ownership of the Amiga trademark) succeeds in creating a new Amiga is not my main concern. I'm not waiting for the next computer which has "Amiga" stamped on the case. I'm waiting for the next computer which embodies the essence of Amiga, and I think it will be a hard task to produce such a machine. The PC architecture is chronically un-cool but it's the most economically viable thing to produce: anything else starts at an economic disadvantage. Then there's the question of what software it will run.

    It's not a question of Linux or Amiga, and I think that suggestions of Amiga hardware running Linux are pretty misplaced. The essence of Amiga is up-front cool fast right-now happening in-your-face stuff, and the essence of Linux is low-down foundational stability and dammit we own the computer right down to the hardware none of this "licensing" and denial of responsibility by software vendors crap.

    There is one final point which does bear mentioning: can the Amiga ever be the same again without also being open source? Well, I don't have the answer to that. I'd prefer it if all the software was open source and the hardware was commoditised and available everywhere, cheaply, but I can live with options not quite so rosy as that. Bear in mind that the original Amiga hardware and OS was proprietary, under any reasonable definition of the word, but it was never secretive. You never got the feeling that some company was keeping secrets from you so they could hook you in and screw you over later.

    You frequently did get the feeling that the upper management of Commodore were quite possibly the stupidest beings ever to stand on the face of the planet, but that's a different story.

  • by Kestrel (1301) on Sunday May 23 1999, @12:09PM (#1882393) Homepage
    Owning an Amiga anytime in the last decade has put you automatically into the soap opera of ups and downs that Amiga has experienced.

    When it first came out, and for a good while, Amiga was hands down the BEST damn home computer you could buy. It did things that lesser operating systems STILL can't do, or have just recently added.

    The soap opera was bad enough with Commodore, but when Commodore went belly up, it just got worse. Passed from owner to owner, each holding out some hope of a new product. The fact is that the Amiga remains stuck in the same form it was when Commodore went under.

    The Amiga Soap Opera is mainly one of broken promises. Like Amiga STILL doesn't have a Java enabled browser, even though one has been "almost done" for like years. Escom never did anything they promised. Now Gateway has let all the original dates slip by that they promised to make this or that available. Now we see napkin drawings and are supposed to get excited?

    I think it is important for all true Amigians to realise that whatever Gateway is making, it isn't an Amiga. I mean, if they are going to start over from scratch and create a machine based on QNX instead of AmigaOS, why the hell are they calling it an Amiga?

    IF they get anything off the ground, my guess it will be some intel based system with standard hardware and a sorta Amiga looking GUI. Won't run anything from anyone. Will somehow stay in existance defying logic and common sense, cause, well, that is just what Amiga does.

    The truth of the matter is that the Amiga is well and truely dead. Let her rest in peace. Let her go, my fellow Amigans. Whatever Gateway might possibly make won't have AmigaOS, won't have any sort of special graphical co-processors, won't have Amiga programs that can run on it. It will be some cheap hooker with a wig thrown on to look like the long dead love.

    At this point, I have no clue WHY Gateway spent good money on technology they will never use and a name that everyone has forgotten. It defies common sense and logic.

    But, that is what the Amiga has done best anyway...

    Rest in Peace, Amiga.

  • Re:This isnt the final design. by matthew.thompson (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @11:57PM
  • Poor little Amiga by Greyfox (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @05:24AM
  • Amiga. by solios (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @04:44PM
  • Re:"Amiga" is an ideal, not a computer by Halster (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @11:43AM
  • Re:Dedicated for Linux by Upsilon (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @04:38PM
  • Re:What makes you think it's gonna be good? by emission (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @04:47PM
  • Re:From a former Amiga owner. by Ben Hutchings (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @09:36AM
  • Re:Can anyone believe Amiga anymore? Sure! by Crass Spektakel (Score:1) Tuesday May 25 1999, @11:09PM
  • not amiga and not linux by arielb (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @07:01PM
  • Ah.. the good old days by Master Switch (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @10:01AM
  • Re:Dedicated for Linux by extrasolar (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @02:09PM
  • Best h/ware design for a home pc by FIGJAM (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @05:44AM
  • Let's hope this isn't another hoax! by Halster (Score:2) Sunday May 23 1999, @01:48PM
  • Re:Definitely NOT PPC by Ben Hutchings (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @10:12AM
  • Re:"Amiga" is an ideal, not a computer by emission (Score:2) Monday May 24 1999, @05:06PM
  • We just want something NEW! by Halster (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @12:07PM
  • Re:This isnt the final design. by Uart (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @03:24PM
  • Reminisences by RallyDriver (Score:2) Sunday May 23 1999, @07:48PM
  • Amiga Community by wysiwyg (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @12:13PM
  • Re:From a former Amiga owner. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday May 23 1999, @12:47PM
  • Re:From a former Amiga owner. by Jason Johannson (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @02:08AM
  • Re:AmigaOS ... can it comeback in Y2K? by Morgo (Score:1) Monday May 24 1999, @12:02AM
  • Bad link... (Score:4)

    by epaulson (7983) on Sunday May 23 1999, @10:05AM (#1882433) Homepage
    Try this one:

    Executive Update [amiga.com]
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