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Ha-ha-ha (Score:1) by Axe (Axe@HATESPAM@Mindless.com) on Thursday February 04, @09:28PM (User Info) http:// |
But my KDE has a browser integrated... So what... ------------------------------ Chop'em |
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Check this link as well.. (Score:1) by Axe (Axe@HATESPAM@Mindless.com) on Thursday February 04, @09:41PM (User Info) http:// |
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2203422,00.html ------------------------------ Chop'em |
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also this link by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @09:56PM |
http://news.lycos.com/stories/Technology/19990204RTTECH-MICROSOFT.asp
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LINUX?? Not if you want a career... by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:14PM |
I'll stick to learning NT and Netware.
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Troll Troll Troll Troll (Score:1) by dirty (mstocum@NO.SPAM.op.net) on Thursday February 04, @11:31PM (User Info) |
You do that, I'll be sure to laugh at you when you work for me in 10 years. Seriously, if people don't like *nix, et al, why do they bother reading slashdot? It's kinda pointless imho. Watch out kids, trolls bite. -matt |
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Slashdot.org isn't just for 8nix by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:43PM |
"News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." It doesn't say News of Unix and Posix lovers. No OS is perfect for everything, although a few pretend they are. Unix is a lot of cool features, but can be difficult to install. Windows brings a flawed but useable OS to consumers. MacOS has in the past should true innovation. Linux has a lot riding for it and its getting better all the time and maybe one day the majority of the world will use it maybe not. Be caters to multimedia people. And all of the other OSes do their thing. Belittling and OS user for any reason is wrong. Insulting the OS is fine, although the people who wrote it will be offended, but people use what they have to and in the every increasing case what they want to (I'm referring to the greater number of OSes out there not just Linux).
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Wired has a story today on Microsoft Trolls by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:45PM |
Wired dug up some dirt that MS employees may be writing fake posts on forums. Hard to prove, but is it so hard to believe? http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/17745.html
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thing about Linux for career use... by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:36PM |
You need to LEARN Linux to use it in a career... Windows comes so easily that you don't even need to learn it, just do it. I spent the last 2 years of my life knowing NT and setting it up on networks and I've never read a chapter in a book about it at all. I spent the last 6 mts. getting used to Linux, of which only the last 3 days has been productive since I finally got GNOME installed and can do everything a LOT easier (even though some of it is a real pain still). And I'm still yet to figure out why sendmail hangs on bootup... even after I changed the line in /etc/hosts to "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost" like was said to do by FAQs in #linux :-/ 8Complex (thought I changed that password for my login in here......)
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Does this mean... (Score:1) by I-man on Thursday February 04, @11:45PM (User Info) |
| Does this mean that we get to watch Billy rock back and forth some more? "Did you send that email, Mr. Gates?" ".................................................................uh................*rock* ...............I.............." SKA-WIRM YOU RAT!!!
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Can you say Lying under oath? (Score:1) by Hanzie (hanzie@hotbot.com) on Thursday February 04, @09:29PM (User Info) http:// |
I'm amazed that they were this stupid. I'm also amazed that the judge is allowing them to re-shoot the demo. This time, I think they'll preview it to catch any more mistakes. The eternal quest for knowlege continues. |
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Can you say Lying under oath? (Score:1) by BigFire (guest@hotmail.com) on Thursday February 04, @10:26PM (User Info) http:// |
Basically, the Judge is handing Microsoft enough rope for them to hang themself.
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M$ - Truth Doesn't Matter by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:21PM |
So what's a scumbag company like Micro$oft to do ? Love to see how they were forced to back down. Sorry, M$, but in court, "simulations" are also known as falsifying evidence and obstruction of justice. LOSERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Purgury (Score:1) by Skyshadow on Thursday February 04, @09:33PM (User Info) http://acm.cs.uwec.edu/~mizesh/tshirts.html |
Hey, one Bill gets impeached for lying under oath. This one gets smart and has his cronies lie under oath for 'em.
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Purjury by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:19PM |
Don't forget that Bill _also_ got impeached for *obstruction of justice*. Telling his subordinates to fake tape is exactly that. Impeach gates.
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Perjury (Score:1) by Brian Feldman (green@unixhelp.org) on Thursday February 04, @11:53PM (User Info) http://feldman.dyn.ml.org |
You both spelled it wrongly.
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I don't think words are necessary... (Score:1) by Rendus (webmaster@the-corridor.com) on Thursday February 04, @09:39PM (User Info) http:// |
This is so stupid, nothing needs to be said... One of those situations where the entire Slashdot community just sits in their respective seats and laughs at the comedy that is so generously provided by the US Government and the Microsoft Corporation...
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Can you believe the latest stupidity? (Score:1) by Hanzie (hanzie@hotbot.com) on Thursday February 04, @09:39PM (User Info) http:// |
"Government representatives were kept waiting last night for two hours before the test began while computers were being set up in a conference room at the offices of Microsoft's law firm, Sullivan and Cromwell. By prior agreement, government representatives were not allowed in the room until the test was ready to begin, said Microsoft spokesman Vivek Varma." I think we can be certain of how these results turned out. They got caught lying once, and the judge tells them to try their 'demonstration' again on two specially doctored machines. Oh, I'm sure the hardware looks identical. I'm sure the software will even look the same AFTER the test, in case of any suprise post-mortem. Let's face it, folks. Somehow M$ got the government to go along with not installing the different O/S's themselves. Did O.J.'s prosecution team take over the attack on M$?
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Would you trust your PC to MS for 2 hrs? (Score:1) by Dawn Keyhotie on Friday February 05, @12:15AM (User Info) http:// |
| I don't get it either. Why would the judge let MS 'set up' those PC's behind closed doors, when they had been lying to his face under oath for the past three days? He should have taken two brand new PCs out of the box, with w98 preloaded like most people get it, and then run Felten's program on them, in the courtroom. Then get Bell Atlantic to drop a couple of ISDN lines so they could get a good connection, instead of whining about the always-variable speeds you get with a V.90 modem. And then finally run the tests MS claimed to have run in their 'lab'. I swear, just when I think the justice system just might have a clue, or at least a good tech consultant, they pull another stunt like this just to prove me wrong. "The only good windmill is a tilted windmill." |
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Slashdot seems to be 24 hours behind the news by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @09:43PM |
That's old news. The big news is that they weren't able to duplicate the results in the prescence of government experts. Microsoft claims they couldn't find a reliable Internet connection anywhere in Washington, D.C. Read the current news at http://headlines.yahoo.com /Full_Coverage/Tech/Microsoft.
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No, admission came after trial adjourned by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @10:12PM |
At a news conference on the steps of the federal courthouse after the trial adjourned for the week, spokesman Mark Murray stood with the company's general counsel and another top executives and acknowledged that the tape "was using computers in a studio to illustrate the points that we had discovered in the laboratory." - boston.com
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A good start. by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @09:44PM |
Is this new culture of candor at Microsoft a start of a new trend? Perhaps they'll start also admitting: * Microsoft Java is really faked simulation, just as Sun said. * MSNBC doesn't actually have have any real reporters, it just steals copy and photos from Reuters and CNN. * Their advertised NT database benchmarks were just 'illustrations' of its hypothetical predicted benchmarks that somebody calculated in the lab assuming the marketing specs were implemented. * Windows is just a simulacrum of an actual modern operating system. DOS still lives. * Bill Gates himself is not actually real. The original Bill was found hanged in his mother's house apparently after auto-erotic asphyxiation sometime around 1985. Tissue samples were preserved to seed a biological cybernetic replacement, in order that the IPO could proceed as planned. Isn't it obvious? Getting the hair right is the hardest part of the job. Take Odo, and Malibu Barbie, for instance. Now we know why "Bill's" "hair" always looks the way it does.
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Big MS Lies by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 05, @12:07AM |
If you think their public lies are bad, you haven't talked to one of those weaselly marketing droids (trying to impersonate 'techies') that MS sends out to big accounts. This guy who was some "Directory of MS Exchange Product Platform Marketing" or something like that came in and spewed a list of about 10 baldfaced lies about Lotus Notes (about how it was not Y2K, not multiprocessor, could only have 1/10 the users of Exchange according to some MS Benchmarking tool, etc.) I was astounded that some who ought to know better would treat his audience with such contempt. Well in this case, it didn't work so well, but I can imagine the MS Stormtroopers goosestepping out of that briefing and committing geocide against Notes users in a more MS-friendly and stoopified environment. Or when Microsoft came in and tried to get us to standardize on NT-WS 3.51. We were told that NT4, due RSN, would have plug-n-play, PCMCIA, power management, Active Directory, and distributed storage. This was a serious meeting where big decisions were being made, and guess what, NT still doesn't have any of that crap, it was all a big bunch of bullshit!
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stock price (Score:1) by kip3f (kip@acm.jhu.edu) on Thursday February 04, @09:44PM (User Info) http://www.ugrad.cs.jhu.edu/~kip |
I noticed that M$ stock was down $7 ... this legal pyramid scheme has got to end someday, and it will be entertaining when it does end... Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso |
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Wow (Score:1) by Tony Smolar (asmolar@dontspam.ma.ultranet.com) on Thursday February 04, @09:46PM (User Info) |
This ranks up there with some other misleading statements from Microsoft: 1) Windows 98 is faster and more stable 2) NT is a reliable, Enterprise class OS. 3) Microsoft == Innovation
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Wow (Score:1) by xinit on Thursday February 04, @11:46PM (User Info) |
Read a great article in the MIT about the MS Research department - that hasn't come up with anything in 7 years. Seven. Nothing. Sounds like government work to me.
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Cue the fat lady. (Score:1) by Wakko Warner (wakko@qwerty.bitey.net) on Thursday February 04, @09:47PM (User Info) http://bitey.net |
These bozos are gonna lose, and lose big. Who else is gonna get roaring drunk the day the judge announces his decision in favor of the DoJ? - A.P. -- "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler |
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Tell her to wait a few decades (Score:1) by benma on Thursday February 04, @10:21PM (User Info) |
Who knows how this will end up - but however it does, it won't be anytime soon. Regardless of how the Judge Jackson rules, which could be either way (did you know the press has a betting pool going every day to see who can pick the 15 minute period in which the judge will fall asleep first) It will undoubtably go on to several rounds of appeals. Both sides have admitted this much already. Can you say IBM all over again? -Ben Maritz
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The PR disaster takes effect immediately by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @10:40PM |
Microsoft has just established, for all the world to see, that it will lie to anyone about anything at any time. This is a PR disaster of the highest order, and it takes effect now.
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No Subject Given by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @09:48PM |
Even if the new tests "prove" that Windows takes a performance hit without IE, to me all it proves is that somebody at Microsoft was clever enough to code something like: If browser == Internet Explorer { execute_next_instruction; } else sleep 5; execute_next_instruction; Show us the sources, Billy Boy, if you've got the balls...
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RE: No Subject Given by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 05, @12:16AM |
They basically admitted that they did have ASP code on their website that was If browser != Internet Explorer { execute_next_instruction; } else sleep 5; execute_next_instruction This was particularly bad in the support section, where it was like sleep 50. Only a revolt of their big customers who had standardized on Netscape got them to come around. They wouldn't have given a shit about home users, etc.
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More Info by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @09:49PM |
After putting James Allchin on the stand to swear under oath that the videotape was an accurate record of problems with the Felten program, Microsoft admitted today that the tape was a "simulation." So complete was the annhiliation inside the courtroom that [Microsoft] finally had to admit what had clearly been proven over three days of cross-examination: that the original tape was not what they originally said it was. - San Jose Mercury News By offering this falsified evidence, Microsoft may have lost the trial right here. Kudos to Christian Hicks and Peter Creath, consultants to the DOJ, who spotted the discrepancies in the tape. Now with Elysium Digital, they are former students of Edward Felten.
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More Info (Score:1) by Rendus (webmaster@the-corridor.com) on Thursday February 04, @09:53PM (User Info) http:// |
You know, this is getting so stupid, funny, and strange, it's almost as if Dave Barry himself is writing the script for this case...
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fixed link (Score:1) by ChrisRijk (chris@ivision.co.uk) on Thursday February 04, @10:04PM (User Info) |
| The first link given has a space between the '.ht' and 'm' of '.htm'. I tried including the link in this form, but for some reason a space kept appearing in the URL. (rather looks like a bug to me...) So instead, follow the link, and then edit the URL bar...
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Slashdot bug with long URLs by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @10:18PM |
Two of the URLs I posted in the "More Info" comment are broken due to a Slashdot bug which inserted a space into the URLs.
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Slashdot bug with long URLs by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @10:38PM |
Probably due to Slashdot uninstalling Internet Explorer.
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"Dramatization" flashing at bottom of screen? by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 05, @12:01AM |
I thought this was legal - if there is a CG over saying "Dramatization" or "Events simulated".
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Not an impeachable act.... by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @09:51PM |
Well, who ever said lying on the stand was wrong? Politicians and buisnessmen are biggest fucking liars on the planet, with the exception of their fucking attorneys.
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Quite Right... by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:14PM |
Absolutely correct. People go to court every day and lie through their teeth about anything. I once had a client who testified that a time and materials contract was a fixed price job. The same luzer also testified I had been paid in full. Despite most people being able to calculate what 30 days might be (I was supposed to be paid net 30). And despite a signed contract specifying "time and materials"... The lawyers were still able to argue this for days. So, fellow AC. I completely agree w/you. And I have the experience to back it up.
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Absolutely amazing (Score:1) by Stovegobbler on Thursday February 04, @09:53PM (User Info) |
The people with the black helicopters are assuredly pissed at Bilgatus of Borg. They should tone this court dog-and-pony facade down a notch, though. The challenge is to pillory M$ while remaining plausable to the public without being boring. This latest is a bit much, really. On second thought, the audience is comprised of the same people who are stupid enough to buy M$ products in the first place. Hmmm.. I guess you would have to flog them over the head with this sort of overblown Perry Mason drivel in order to make any impression at all. Even so, how would you reach the social layer who consider Baywatch and Xena (Warrior Princess) viable entertainment?
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Power and Lies (Score:1) by mec (mec@shout.net) on Thursday February 04, @10:04PM (User Info) |
Once people get powerful enough, they do what they want, and make up lies to keep too many other people from getting mad at them. And if they stay that way too long, they lose their ability to distinguish reality from their own lies.
But this time Allchin lied to the wrong person. Jackson isn't some hapless journalist who understands that his job depends on regurgitating Microsoft lies. He's a federal judge, he can fuck with Microsoft as hard as he wants, and he knows it.
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"a Perry Mason moment" (Score:1) by ChrisRijk (chris@ivision.co.uk) on Thursday February 04, @10:06PM (User Info) |
Here's a article at the New York Law Journal about David Boies, the head trial lawyer for the DoJ - Boies Puts on a Legal Clinic at Microsoft Trial
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Well, I used to think the lawyers were smart. (Score:1) by Fizgig (andrew.chatham@duke.remove.edu) on Thursday February 04, @10:08PM (User Info) http://fizgig.dorm.duke.edu |
I thought the lawyers for MS were evil, but I thought they were smart. Now they're evil _and_ stupid. If you're going to tamper with evidence and you have a multi-billion-dollar technology corporation behind you, do it so nobody can tell you've tampered with it! SHEESH! "You've got to be willing to read other people's code, then write your own, then have other people review your code." -- Bill Gates |
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Tommorow's headline by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @10:12PM |
My favorite scapegoat/sacraficial offer prediction in this new comedy is tommorow's headline will have Allchin suddenly claiming personal responsibility alone for the tape, and offering his 'resignation', as soon as Mr Gates completes his little stock sale for his sudden 'liquidity problem' that was also very recently reported (ie cold cash is needed for hush money). But then again, this corporate march to suicide by Microsoft may go just about anywhere. On a sadder note, I am sure there are plenty of low level microsurfs in Redmond taking the heat over this mess. No doubt a few heads will be neadlessly cutoff and fired, since they have the reputation for being that sort of company with their employees where the managers 'play political games' with their high tech sweatshop temps rather than manage or try to build a loyal and 'enfranchised' workforce (this being what I feel is part of the real problem with Microsoft and why they cant seem to get product out on time or with any quality, but anyone else who was ever interviewed there or been on their campus for any time may well come to a similar conclusion).
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Easy to install?? hmmmmm..... by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @10:20PM |
(from the article) Government representatives were kept waiting last night for two hours before the test began while computers were being set up in a conference room at the offices of Microsoft's law firm, Sullivan and Cromwel Hmmmm... so it takes a team of Microsoft Windows experts needs 2 hours to set up a couple of Windows boxes? Perhaps the touted "ease of installation" of Windows is a bit oversold? Or didn't the plug-n-play features work correctly this time?
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should have used the preview button... by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @10:24PM |
...looks like my cut-n-paste works like Windows plug-n-play -- so let's fix up that flubbed up sentence... (here we go) Hmmmm... so it takes a team of Microsoft Windows experts 2 hours to set up a couple of Windows boxes? (that's better)
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Easy to install?? hmmmmm..... (Score:1) by Scott Wood (scott@geekland.cx) on Thursday February 04, @11:38PM (User Info) http://geekland.cx/ |
They had to finish doctoring the computers after installing 'doze, of course!
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So what's next? by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @10:26PM |
It's obvious MS has just lost. What's next? Will the appeal court be more favorable? BTW, here's an article in Wired about MS telling it's employees to post fake favorable comments in web forums: http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/17745.html
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Abacadabra! by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @10:30PM |
"By prior agreement, government representatives were not allowed in the room until the test was ready to begin, ..." See? Nothing up my sleeve.
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Abacadabra! (Score:1) by dirty (mstocum@NO.SPAM.op.net) on Thursday February 04, @11:35PM (User Info) |
And watch as the pII that the government version of win98 is running on magically runs as if it were a 486. For my next trick i'll make windows nt run for a whole week w/o rebooting. And then i'll make a pile of bull crap apear in the middle of the court room...it's magic!!! -matt |
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Is this perjury, or just MS quality control (Score:1) by Otter (jsinger@genome.wi.mit.edu) on Thursday February 04, @10:34PM (User Info) http://homepage.usr.com/j/jsinger/ |
My feeling about this (at least until today's news) was that this was less an attempt to mislead the judge than just the usual Microsoft attention to detail. Amazingly, Microsoft says the same thing: Mark Murray, a Microsoft spokesman, sought to laugh off the controversy, which he called "sort of a sideshow." "One of the great things about the software business is that if there are some bugs in a first version of a product, you can go back and fix them," Murray said. "So Video 1.0 apparently had a few things that became confusing, so both sides agree we will be doing Video 2.0." They would have had to be completely insane to deliberately falsify evidence. I wouldn't have thought that, but who knows? Thing is - the judge is so blatantly hostile, they wouldn't have had any trouble getting an appeal.
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Is this perjury, or just MS quality control (Score:1) by BigFire (guest@hotmail.com) on Thursday February 04, @11:02PM (User Info) http:// |
No one, not even Microsoft lawyer can accused Judge Jackson of being hostile. Judges hate to see bad evidences introduced in their court. Having one of those evidence blow up in the court is even worse. At this rate, Microsoft is slowly building a un-appealable case, which they seem to be loosing.
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You liberals let slick willy off the hook.... by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @10:39PM |
Welp the liberals have sacrificed any principal they had let when they let Clinton off the hook... why don't we just let Bill Gates off the hook too... that way we can have gov't corruption and monopolistic computing!
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And its not about sex, sure by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:29PM |
Why don't you republican wannabe go back to the rock you crawled out from. The republican party stands for less government in our lives and more state control. If anything you and your current batch of republican whiners have ruined our party for years to come. No lawyer in their right mind would bring THIS case of prejury to court. It is nearly impossbile to prove. Frank Jackson
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And its not about sex, sure by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:46PM |
Will Microsoft be able to explain away the fake tape as well as the liberals try to ignore the stained dress..
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And its not about sex, sure by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:52PM |
Bill Jizzed on a dress. Since when is jizzing on a dress a high crime? I've jizzed on dresses - never got fired for it, don't know why I would. 2nd post had it right. Rightwingers want less government but more control. That sure makes sense...
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And its not about sex, sure by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 05, @12:50AM |
because you weren't accused of rape or sexual harassment
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You bet your ass it's about sex. by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 05, @12:29AM |
It's about Bill Gates fucking the world!
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Why would it matter? (Score:1) by EddyGL on Thursday February 04, @10:46PM (User Info) http:// |
Just because Microsoft "integrated" Internet Explorer into Win98, does that somehow "magically" mean they aren't bundling it? To me, it seems, Microsoft went to great lengths to ensure that Win98 depended on IE to function properly. Is there some reason why none of the Win98 updates can just be downloaded, by any browser, as files? Is there some reason the help files have been all changed to use IE? I would expect it's so Microsoft can argue that IE is "required", but, it's only required, because of MS policy, not, any thing special to do the Win98 OS. As for the DOJ trying to "remove" IE from Win98.. I mean come on... It is VERY possible, AND easy, ( for a programmer ) if they had the source code.. which obviously MS does. If the DOJ wants to make it's point.. try opening My Computer, and browsing the hard drives in the default install Web View and all, and then goto, Folder Options, and turn on "classic style" and try the same thing... it's MUCH faster!!!!! It's like putting a fancy radio in a car, then running every wire in the car through, and tryng to say, you can't have the car without that specific radio, because the whole car depends on it... AHHHHHHHHHHH... it's so foolish I cna't even stand it anymore..
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Car Radio Example by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:12PM |
GM and Ford have tried exactly that - making the radio, heater control, cig lighter, etc. one big part. The 3rd party radio companies complain, but fortunately there's enough of an aftermarket for car stereos that people don't buy 'integrated solutions' like that. What does this have to do with Microsoft? I dunno...
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Why would it matter? (Score:1) by dirty (mstocum@NO.SPAM.op.net) on Thursday February 04, @11:20PM (User Info) |
I'd like to see microsoft show one non-microsoft product that doesn't depend on ie. You could just as easily make win98 depend on netscape, or notepad for that matter. Hell, you could make win98 depend on a coke machine if you really wanted to. Windows 2000, microsoft office is an integral part of the os. What's next, microsoft pants. "If you aren't wearing microsoft pants windows 2005's performance is noteable degraded." At this point I'll be happy with nothing less than microsoft being forced to release all of their source-code and become a non-profit organization, and bill gates hung by his really crappy hair cut. -matt |
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Why would it matter? by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:31PM |
Their argument: 1. Win98 can auto-download updates over the Net. 2. This is easier than finding and DLing it yourself. 3. IE can do this, Win98 alone can't. 4. Therefore, removing IE breaks Win98. (Not that I believe this, I'm playing devil's advocate here...)
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Why would it matter? (Score:1) by dirty (mstocum@NO.SPAM.op.net) on Thursday February 04, @11:39PM (User Info) |
But why is ie necisary for this process? Couldn't microsoft write a small applet to do it for you? Or why couldn't they make it compatible with netscape? Or lynx for that matter? But wait, microsoft products don't have bugs. Bill gates said it himself, therefor why would you need to download updates to win98, it's already bug free, just like win95 and dos6.2 didn't corrupt your harddrive if you used drivespace or doublespace or whatever they called it). dd if=/dev/bullshit of=/dev/microsoft/testimony -matt |
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How is this not obstruction of justice? (Score:1) by dirty (mstocum@NO.SPAM.op.net) on Thursday February 04, @11:07PM (User Info) |
The way I understand it is that one of the title bars changed in mid-frame. Now if you ask me it proves one of two things. That microsoft either a) did a poor job of creating a "demonstration" video, or b) that they changed the computers in the middle of the video. Either one to me seems like microsoft diliberately falsified evidence. How anyone can say that microsoft made an honest mistake is mind boggling. -matt |
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so what? by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:15PM |
What if Microsoft loses? What reasonable penalty can be applied? 1) Microsoft is ordered to break up into multiple companies - Great idea, let's clone Microsoft so that it can become twice or ten times as large as the original in a few months. As precedence, look what happened with the Baby Bells. 2) Microsoft is ordered to release its Windows, Office, Explorer, etc. source code to the public domain - Wonderful, the user/developer community fixes all the bugs for free, Microsoft says thank-you, and the consumers continue to buy from Microsoft as usual. 3) Microsoft is ordered to pay a fine of $10G - Okay, so they lose half of their cash reserves. They can still afford to buy an AOL, another NBC, or maybe even a company that produces tangible products with the remaining cash. 4) A law is passed that prevents anybody, above the level of peon, currently working at Microsoft from working in the software industry ever again - While this is an attractive thought, it is extremely unlikely to stand up to any challenge made by a failing first year law student. 5) A law is passed that forces software to be treated the same as any other consumer item, i.e. the product must be fit for the purpose for which it has been sold (sorry, licenced) - This would impact everybody in the industry, but it would hit Microsoft harder than anybody. Of all the options, I would pick #5. DoJ win or lose. It would be the best choice for the consumer, which is what the DoJ claims this case is all about anyways.
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so what? (Score:1) by dirty (mstocum@NO.SPAM.op.net) on Thursday February 04, @11:45PM (User Info) |
Actually there is precedent for #4. The movie wallstreet (i think it was wallstreet) was based on a real life situation in which 3 or 4 guys scammed the hell out of the investment community. As part of their sentence they are never allowed to work in the investment community again. I think one guy was even forced to go around to different brokerage firms and explain what he did, how he did it, and how to prevent other people from doing it. Personally i'd like to see EULAs invalidated across the board and force a waranty on all software products for which money exchanges hands for the license, ie free software would still be distributable without a waranty, so some poor hacker who writes a driver for YYY scsi controller can't get sued when it hoses someone's data. Wouldn't it be great if you could sue microsoft everytime word crashes and kills your document that you spent the last 2 hours working on? Or when your access database eats all of your data? -matt |
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so what? (Score:1) by Kyobu on Friday February 05, @12:12AM (User Info) http://boyk.home.ml.org |
A precedent for #4 is Kevin Mitnick (or one of those guys), who is not allowed to touch a copmuter for five years.
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so what? by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 05, @12:48AM |
2) Microsoft is ordered to release its Windows, Office, Explorer, etc. source code to the public domain - Wonderful, the user/developer community fixes all the bugs for free, Microsoft says thank-you, and the consumers continue to buy from Microsoft as usual.
If the source for MS products were released to the public domain why would people keep buying from Microsoft? I guess some PHB's would insist on buying the software from a reputable company, which someone on crack might mistake Microsoft for one. Any company would then be able to sell their version of the Microsoft products, including Microsoft. Microsoft would then lose its grip on its API's and any one could make use of them to produce a better application. In short, releasing Microsoft's code to the public would be a very good thing.
Of course I speak only for myself, Kurt Sellner
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www.98lite.net by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:19PM |
I was informed of this on /. a few days ago... And so I tried it. It completely deintegrates and uninstalls Internet Explorer from Windows 98. Just like Microsoft says you can't do without "crippling the Operating System". Bah. Lemme tell ya..., Windows 98 really isn't *that* bad of an OS, once you actually get rid of that Internet Explorer bloat for GOOD. In fact, they did manage to improve the internals of Windows a bit... *just to then throw away **all** thier labor by integrating that slow, buggy, bloated, memory eating, crashing, nasty, behemoth Internet Explorer into the OS itself that nobody wanted in the first place*. To anyone who must run 98 - I HIGHLY recommend this!!! Death to Active Desktop! Yes... I run Linux almost exclusively at home... but for that "upgraded" 95-to-98 machine I have to deal with, 98lite has made it **USEABLE** again! (I wonder if the DOJ has seen this yet...) BTW... I *dissaprove* of this trial. This exercise in State omniscience in a market they do not understand and have no business meddling in is bad for the market at large. Besides, two more years, tops, and OSS will have accomplished complete and utter World Domination (tm) regardless. I'd rather we get the credit for killing this beast off than "govt. aid to the rescue". ; ) I vote with my dollar. I have not purchased a MS product in over three years. Not for political reasons, but for practical ones.
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Stupid naive arrogant lackwit statment by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 04, @11:40PM |
>>I *dissaprove* of this trial. This exercise in State omniscience in a market they do not understand and have no business meddling in is bad for the market at large. Yo buddy, don't be silly. If you can state that the government doesn't understand the software industry then it is perfectly fair (and perfectly analogous) to say that the software industry (YOU) doesn't understand the law/government. I don't think you'd buy that you shouldn't vote cause you're a geek, or that corporations know diddly about the law, so don't say the government should keep their noses out because it's technology/software.
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www.98lite.net by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 05, @12:34AM |
Why on earth are they not using this 98lite program to do their tests?!?! It sounds like it does a great job at what that government witnesses program is supposed to do.. Geez.
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Judge's reaction (Score:1) by diakka (diakka@localhost) on Thursday February 04, @11:21PM (User Info) http:// |
In one of those articles, it said Judge Jackson got a bit fired up when it started looking like the video was faked, but later on he said something like "I don't think they intentionally wre trying to deceive" Yeah right.. he's probably saying that just so they don't have to declare a mistrial or anything. MS is fuct..... They're goin down! -- Knowledge shared is power lost. -- Aleister Crowley |
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If that don't beat all... (Score:1) by Analog (analog@webwidgets.net) on Thursday February 04, @11:29PM (User Info) |
| Now, I might just be a tad bit cynical, but I have to believe that if I had introduced a videotape into evidence at a trial, sworn to it's authenticity and accuracy, and then admitted it was just a 'simulation', I'd already be in jail. That's it. I'm going over to the dark side. I have become convinced that the laws in this country only apply below a certain income level. Time to start working on getting mine above that point.
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Microsoft admits taped test to produce human sperm (Score:1) by Fudge.Org (j a y @ f u d g e . o r g) on Thursday February 04, @11:31PM (User Info) http://www.fudge.org/ |
| You know you have been up too long when you read your SlashMeat section of Tik to read the latest headlines this way... However, if you think about it long enough you start to think it might be true. "You cannot uncook Mushoo pork once is has been cooked" -- wiseman |
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How did this happen?!? (Score:1) by Nelson on Thursday February 04, @11:37PM (User Info) |
MS has some high powered lawyers, these aren't slouches by any stretch. I just can't understand this kind of fumble.
Over the last 6 months I've heard more than one BillG-is-the-greatest-capitolist-of-alltime type guys in the financial industry say how they think Gates want's MS to be broken up so that he can build up a powerhouse again. It's always sounded like BS to me but this kind of screw-up makes that sound plausible. It's almost like they want to lose, or they don't understand the the government means business.
So they botch this bad, real bad. Since day one the world has known that they have a hostile judge who will most likely rule against them and that the government has a case of some weight (not bullet proof but it's not empty either) MS is going to lose, I'm convinced of it. They will appeal and it will take 5 years for all of the dust to finally settle but they hurt their credibility in court and their appeal will now be tainted. What I want to know is how likely is it that they won't be able to ship windows because of it? If they are broken up, drastic action is taken and they will appeal but during the appeals process they would have to folow the court's orders. Maybe I'm naive about this kind of law but I would think that Windows2000 might not ship for quite a while, not because of techincal issues (that's never stopped MS from shipping before..) but because of legal ones. At which point the title fight would be over, linux would have won and the conversion would just be a matter of formality. Is that possible? Where I work we are doing some major projects for win2000 and a federal injunction that keeps it from shipping would probably be enough to re-route that river (like that earth quake the moved the Mississippi..)
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Will MS add such code in their system? (Score:1) by tinydaemon on Thursday February 04, @11:38PM (User Info) http:// |
while (is_ie_exists() == false){ for (i=0;i0XFFFFFFFF;i++) for (j=0;j<0xFFFFFFFF;j++); sleep(1); };
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You mean people actually DOUBTED it? (Score:1) by Millennium on Thursday February 04, @11:52PM (User Info) |
Come on. Removing the browser slows certain Win98 functions? That's impossible; Win98 couldn't get any slower as it is. On a more serious note, this is yet another huge blow to M$; that makes the second time they've fabricated evidence. Hopefully people will begin to realize M$ for what it is. I doubt most will, but if just a few more can (especially if they're the right people) then this is a Good Thing. -Millennium |
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Witness Tampering? by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 05, @12:31AM |
| Wendy Goldman Rohm suggests that Microsoft may have previously engaged in witness tampering. Millenium, about your statement: that makes the second time they've fabricated evidence. What was the first? Do you have a citation?
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MS to Patent Perjury? by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 05, @12:09AM |
Perhaps Microsoft is going to patent Perjury?
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