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Brazilian Pop Music Scene Thrives on Piracy
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on Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:14 AM
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langelgjm writes "When people talk about the failing business model of the traditional record company, they often only offer vague suggestions as to how things would work otherwise. But a concrete example of a music scene that thrives on piracy is to be found in Brazil, in the form of tecnobrega. From the article: 'While piracy is the bane of many musicians trying to control the sale of their songs, tecnobrega artists see counterfeiters as key to their success ... Ronaldo Lemos, a law professor at Brazil's respected Getulio Vargas Foundation, an elite Rio de Janeiro think tank and research center, says tecnobrega and other movements like it represent a new business model for the digital era, where music is transformed from a good to a service.'"
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Welcome to 2006 (Score:5, Informative)
=Smidge=
brazil? (Score:1)
Re:brazil? (Score:4, Funny)
(http://djdavetrouble.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday September 01 2005, @10:34PM)
Even the Blotters ?!?
don'tdownloadthissong (Score:1)
tecnobrega , is it for everyone (Score:1)
Re:tecnobrega , is it for everyone (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://mybabylon.homelinux.org/blog | Last Journal: Sunday April 08 2007, @04:50PM)
I wish I could just sit back and let everyone who read my specs pay me a royalty for the favor of doing my job. Instead I have to produce new content. I could do this by charging per document I PRODUCE, but I choose instead to be an employee. Doesn't really change the model, though, to remain an employee, I must continue to produce useful work. Otherwise they'll show me the door.
Being and artsy fuck doesn't exempt you from needing to contribute.
Re:tecnobrega , is it for everyone (Score:4, Insightful)
It's a shame you can't get your head around the fact that some performances take years of prep and production work, and involve poeple who can only come together in the studio or in some other collaborative manner. Such recordings have plenty of audience interest, and involve material that can never provide income for the performers as they tour bars or concert halls selling t-shirts and getting a cut of the beer gross.
There ARE people who want to purchase a compilation of recordings from over time, or ensemble pieces that involved many studio sessions to create. They WANT the artists to be able to dedicate their time (and thus derive their income from) sales after the fact of doing that hard work. I don't want your desire to have that recording for free to prevent me from being able to purchase such recordings. But the sentiment that such recordinds should be fair game for ripping off because you'd rather suck down smoke or stand in line to take a piss at a concert venue is a false dichotomy. If you think a band can make a good living by giving away their work, and charging you for tickets and bumper stickers, great. I'm sure you can persuade them all to pursue that approach. But that has nothing to do with whether or not its up to YOU spread a studio work around to 100,000 of your very best personal, and completely anonymous, friends.
Don't like musicians and filmakers who choose to work FIRST and entertain their audience afterwards? Then don't do business with those people. Why are you ranting? Just do business with people who don't want to charge you any money for their studio work, and you'll both be happy. Leave the people who want to see films made or other long-term projects evolve do what they want. You can just ignore it. Except you can't, because you want those things too, you just want to be entertained for free.
GCBC (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/)
http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7727 [creativecommons.org]
"vague suggestions", my shiny metal a$$ (Score:2)
(http://www.evolt.org/)
It's kinda like saying, everyone complains about Microsoft but there are only vague suggestions about alternatives.
Tanstaafl (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Friday January 12 2007, @10:41PM)
Seems like its time to re-read my dog-eared copy of Moon Is A Harsh Mistress (Heinlein).
Maybe we are getting closer to the future after all.
Yes, actually. The cat does "got my tongue." (Score:3, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Friday January 05 2007, @12:57PM)
Misleading quote (Score:2)
Who are these musicians who "control the sale of their songs?"
Documentary "Good Copy Bad Copy" (Score:1, Informative)
covered the Brazilian tecno brega movement and other examples of using digital content that are not necessary legal according to the Mega Corporations of content creation. Techno brega uses alot of sampling from major recording industry material. Tecno Brega artists give their content to bootleggers to distribute throughout Brazil. The artists themselves make no money from these CD sales instead they make money by throwing parties and burning recordings of their events to people who attend.
Thepiratebay link to a torrent download of this Documentary [thepiratebay.org] (Note this torrent is legal and the Documentary makers on their website which I linked to above created this torrent)
Streaming Flash Clip of the same Documentary from Blip.tv [goodcopybadcopy.blip.tv]
ah it all makes sense now (Score:1)
(http://www.universalcentury.net/)
just think about how fast popularity can spread if it's not linked to monetary value
I, for one, welcome these overlords: (Score:4, Insightful)
Before it was a good it was a service (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Before it was a good it was a service (Score:4, Funny)
Misleading? (Score:2)
It seems that the issue is getting a bit blurred between the concepts of giving something away and piracy.
I know it's not a popular idea but I still think that an artist should have rights to do what he wants with his creation. If they want to give it away for free to build a good fanbase that's great but that still doesn't dismiss people who are taking something without paying for it if the artist has put a price tag on it. Nor does it justify the downloading of a work even if it is offered freely from one source such as the Radiohead issue.
Proof positive the copyright regime is misguided? (Score:5, Insightful)
"Piracy is the way to get established and get your name out. There's no way to stop it, so we're using it to our advantage," explains Gabi Amarantos, who frequently appears on Brazilian TV on the strength of bootleg sales of her CDs (from which artists don't get a cut).
Technically, there is no copyright infringement involved since the artists themselves allow their works to be duplicated.
What is however interesting is that this technobrega movement severely undermines one of the arguments frequently cited by the RIAA in favour of stricter copyright laws, which is that piracy undermines the ability of the music and film industries to invest in the next generation of local talent by lowering revenues from current sales.
Also from the article
The original intention of copyright as stated in Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause/ [wikipedia.org] was
Given that the tecnobrega movement has shown that copyright protection is not necessary to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, isn't it time to reconsider the whole basis of copyright law?
In Soviet Japan (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://curby.net/)
In Free Culture, Lawrence Lessig describes the doujinshi (copyright-infringing comics) industry in Japan and describes how it not only fuels the market for "official" manga comics but can influence them as well.
Linky: http://www.sslug.dk/~chlor/lessig/freeculture/c-piracy.html#creators [sslug.dk]
Freeloaders ahoy in Brazil (Score:3, Interesting)
"Brega" means "tacky", having extremely bad taste. Like refrigerator penguins. Like when you try to interpret a fashion trend but get it all wrong because it looks so cheap and ridiculous. Imagine rednecks, but a 1000 times worse. Definitely not mainstream. And limited to a specific region of Brazil.
Low-wage Brazilians typically don't want to pay for anything. They get tax discounts after tax discounts. A typical porter or handyman is a tax-free guy. He gets free medical services and education (which both suck, BTW...), sustained by those that are between a rock and a hard place - the middle class that does pay a hefty 37% tax on income; and the businesses, industries, etc. That's 3-4 months working for the government. Yup. Doctors, engineers, consultancy firms - anyone who's not poor. The leftist corrupt government caters to these people, giving out more government aid and tax-cuts, because then they vote for them.
So why would they pay for music? They're already a bunch of freeloaders, anyway. If they're unemployed, they just pack up and go buy contraband products in neighboring Paraguay (they have a tax-free policy on imports, I think) to resell on sidewalks. No Union protest... Just their very own tax-free shortcut to survival. This is just how their life is. How fucked up. And now some foreigners and academics are fascinated with this...LOL.
Plus, that music sucks. Real bad.
No need to look at Brazil (Score:2)
(http://www.fantasticdamage.com/)
Kelefah Sanneh of the NY Times summed it up nicely in this article [nytimes.com] about Vampire Weekend [vampireweekend.com]:
In a sense this new state of affairs is really an old one, a throwback to the early 1960s, when concerts and singles ruled, and albums were merely compilations. And it probably makes bands (not to mention record companies) nervous: It means you can pick up fans faster, and lose them faster too.
Back To The Future (Score:3, Interesting)
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This looks like... (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Tuesday June 01 2004, @05:25PM)
The real bane of brazilian musicians (Score:1)
No, I think the true bane of Brazilian musicians is the existence of this song [wikipedia.org]
American music scenes thrive on piracy (Score:2)
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There's some merit to this (Score:2)
Just post some tracks as mp3s on the website, let people copy it. Someone somewhere will buy it, you could sell the CD with a free t-shift and people would then buy it for the t-shirt.
This is how Metallica became famous, people trading their bootleg recordings of them.
In other news... (Score:2)
(http://cafepress.com/phototravel?pid=5934485)
In other words, the presence of a work-around does not justify the actions which cause the problem, which, in this case, is "music piracy" also well known as thievery.
Exactly what it is... (Score:2)
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A musician is paid for their service of performing the piece. Everything else in music (e.g. MP3s, etc.) is fair game for free trade, which in turn promotes the artist, which in turn drives performances. Break the cycle and the artists suffer.
performance = service?? (Score:2)
You mean I would actually be paying to see and hear the performance as a service rather than treat the sequence of air compressions as a good? I mean that would be like... well, like it use to be.
Go out and see your local philharmonic. I mean if you want to pay for talent, imagine having to put on the kind of performance they do. One and a half live performances a week for half the year. Oh yeah... your "set" might include a single movement lasting over 4 hours. ("For Philip Guston", composer: Morton Feldman. Or his unrecorded six hour String Quartet No. 2, the bows are never lifted off the strings.) In general movements are longer than rock/top-40/rap and close to scores of performers are expected to play in tune and in sync. Beethoven's ninth symphony, fourth movement is 25 minutes.
Yes. it's a service. Anybody can make several "takes" and then keep only the best one to sell. The value is in the talents of the performers. That is a service.
Not piracy (Score:2, Informative)
(http://www.animegaiden.com.br)
A Gift for those who love Brazilian music (Score:1)
New business model??? (Score:2)
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[ "All new is well forgotten old." Russian proverb. ]
New????? Under what kind of rock the people are living???
For ages, service model was how artists lived - by making performance and getting paid for it.
Most of classical music, paintings, sculptures were made now on whip - but after a offer from people with money.
My favorite composer J.S. Bach lived by creating music for different religious events commissioned by church.
That's how it worked since dawn of ages.
Most music sucks! (Score:1)
Definitions (Score:2)
(http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/)
making money all right... (Score:2)
(http://www.usflowerhaus.com/)
The best songs are played by "aparelhagens," hugely popular DJs running shows with laser displays, smoke machines and giant video monitors that alternate images of the dancing crowds with psychedelic imagery.
Uhh...is it just me or does this sound strangely like a rave?
Believe me it's pretty easy to make money at one of those.
In Brazil (Score:1)
I for one buy more due to filesharing... (Score:2)
FYI (Score:1)
Localized... (Score:1)
Technobrega could be translated to technotrash. I must say that brega is a pretty horrible style itself, i can't imagine what technobrega must sound like
FYI, this is one of the most famous Brega singers in Brazil: http://images.uncyc.org/pt/1/14/Falcao.jpg [uncyc.org]
You can imagine the rest
Piracy to fame (Score:1)
Us users thought getting around to using a pricey little friendlier-than-nix system for free was a getting-away-with-it. It worked for companies who use computers because they don't have to train that much for employees and it worked too for the companies who supply companies with computers with licensed copies, ultimately it inflated Micros***t's pockets a lot than it did for everyone else.
(Piracy) worked and still works for Micro***t but that bandwagon can't carry everyone in. Any (business) model will continue work as long as only a few are engaging in it.
bane of the musicians? (Score:1)
They keep using that word.... (Score:1)
When we use their term for what is actually "copyright infringement", we allow them to make it sound worse than it is. The same goes for hacker. A hacker is someone finding elegant solutions, figuring out how things work and then improving them. We allowed the media to abuse that word to mean cyber criminal/cracker. Now we can't use the word hacker for its intended purpose without causing confusion.
Am i the only one who cares about this?
Re:Brazilian Pop Music Scene Thrives on Piracy (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Brazilian Pop Music Scene Thrives on Piracy (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Brazilian Pop Music Scene Thrives on Piracy (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://enja.org/enj)
It may hurt your head, but some laws are passed in undemocratic ways, or have consequences that harm democracy. For those times, you might need civil disobedience.
Other times, laws like copyright enforcement just simply go against the grain of human nature and will be broken regardless of government action.
Re:Brazilian Pop Music Scene Thrives on Piracy (Score:5, Funny)
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Copyright: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Copyright: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Copyright, was to carry the DMCA. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' laws is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Re:Why Brazil? (Score:2)
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Re:Brazilian Pop Music Scene Thrives on Piracy (Score:1, Funny)
Read the last paragraphs. Brazil is 1st in change. (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.futurepower.net/)
And: "Brazil's top-selling Banda Calypso, whose "brega" sound paved the way for tecnobrega, claims to have sold more than 4 million CDs nationwide, avoiding traditional distribution networks and marketing its CDs directly through news stands and other unconventional outlets."
And: ' "Before you couldn't get your record played on the radio if you couldn't afford payola. Now if a song hits big with the aparelhagens, the radio has no choice but to play it," says Metralha. "The dynamic has changed." '
Brazil seems to be ahead of the rest of the world in creating new forms of music. It's not surprising that cultural changes in how music is distributed happen in Brazil.
Re:Brazilian Pop Music Scene Thrives on Piracy (Score:2, Informative)
- Nobody purchases original CDs here. People just get them on the streets, with "3 for 5 reais" price tags (~$1 each CD)
- Trash music is everywhere. It is hard to listen to good music nowadays, be it in the radio, the clubs, or the stupid loud car sound systems around the city.
- Musicians get almost nothing selling CDs by normal means (recorder company contracts etc), if you're not a TOP 20 you make more money with shows/presentations anyway, making it very good to spread your music - the more the better
- "Lend me your CD so I can copy it" is normal practice, creating even many "pirated pirate copies" which are copies of pirate CDs purchased on the street.
- Soulseek, donkey2k, kazaa are your friends. You find everything Brazilian.
- There are a few websites promoting local FREE AS IN SPEECH music/art. Like Estudio Livre [estudiolivre.org].
I have very few original CDs and don't feel any pressure into purchasing more. If things keep this way I will keep downloading free licensed and unlicensed content. The same applies to movies and games.Good stuff in these websites make me want more, make me want to know the artist behind them. Lately I was chatting with "Varios Um", a Brazilian artist which has very good FREE songs published here [estudiolivre.org].