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Google, Microsoft, Sun to Fund New Internet Lab
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Zonk
on Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:10 AM
from the it's-totally-rad dept.
from the it's-totally-rad dept.
brajesh writes "Yahoo! News has an AP story about Google, Microsoft and Sun Microsystems coming together to back a new Internet research laboratory aimed at helping entrepreneurs introduce more groundbreaking ideas to a mass audience. The Reliable, Adaptive and Distributed Systems or RAD lab is scheduled to open Thursday and will dole out $1.5 million annually over five years, with each company contributing equally. From the article : 'Conceivably, the lab's services could help launch another revolutionary company like online auctioneer eBay Inc. or even Google, which has emerged as one of the world's most valuable companies just seven years after its inception in a Silicon Valley garage.'"
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they will research quantum superposition... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:they will research quantum superposition... (Score:5, Funny)
No, no, no, you've got it all wrong. Quantum mechanics says that they will be neither evil nor not evil until it observed that they are either evil or not evil. This post neither exists nor not exists until you observe it.
Re:they will research quantum superposition... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:they will research quantum superposition... (Score:4, Informative)
Schrodinger's cat is neither dead nor alive until the box is opened and we observer whether or not the nucleus decayed and emitted a particle that triggered the apparatus which opened the canister of poison and killed the cat. Setting the box on fire is an interesting twist on the experiment, and I do mean twist as in twisted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrodinger's_cat [wikipedia.org]
Cheaper than developing (Score:5, Insightful)
It's the American Idol of developers. "We'll let you show off, decide who's best, sign them to a nasty license, and own your soul."
(Kidding, but only half.)
I don't get it... (Score:5, Insightful)
That's chump change to Microsoft and Google (I don't know about SUN). Why aren't any one of them just funding the whole lab themselves? It's great that Berkely is getting some needed funding, but I think that this may some sort of PR thing. Just my 5 cents.
Re:I don't get it... (Score:2)
Annually? Over five years in equal payments?
Re:I don't get it... (Score:5, Insightful)
"Conceivably, the lab's services could help..." (Score:5, Interesting)
Most "revolutionary" companies have been launched by going against "common wisdom" and doing thigs different ways than everyone else. Thus getting "help" early on from big companies.. well.. you draw the conclusions..
Purpose? (Score:2, Interesting)
Err no? Surely the whole point of Microsoft, Sun, Google etc, forming this lab, is to STOP such an independent company from
Did I just read that right? (Score:3, Funny)
Hahhaha, next thing apple with bring out intel based macs... oh you editors you really get me going. hahah.
Imagine how many chair throwing tantrums there will be...
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and the first product is (Score:5, Funny)
* ducks *
Bargain (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Bargain (Score:4, Insightful)
Fixed that for you.
Let me be the First (Score:2)
I propose to gather the world's greatest minds to generate memorable, unpatented acronyms for the IT industry.
I'm sure the person hours lost to coming up with yet another acronym for yet another ven
Google, Microsoft and Sun? (Score:2, Funny)
FTFA (Score:2, Insightful)
I hate to say it but I somewhat disagree, now that web hos
$1.5 million? (Score:3, Interesting)
$1.5 million sounds like a honeypot, not a venture-capital firm...
They're sucking in neophytes who will sign over IP rights and get very little in return.
Is it just me, or is there something going on here (Score:2)
poffttt!! Why are people looking for conspiracies? This is cheap at twice the price. Getting all those ideas pushed to them for the little money they spend on the lab?
MS? Sun? (Score:2, Redundant)
Call me cynical, but look at the history of these companies before you do it.
Will only RAD tools be eligible? (Score:2)
Damien
Nothing to see here (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh what a load of bollocks!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
These people, Google MS and Sun, won't even spit on the ground for $1.5 mil, let alone create a business plan... If they really intended to go beyond window dressing, they should have put their money where their mouth is and pour some real money into it.
It's an intended failure from the word go.
Read the papers ... (Score:3, Informative)
Looks like they're trying to come up some fancy-schmancy approach to network management, emergency handling and risk control. It would make sense all three of these orgs would be interested in refining techniques along those lines, but pardon me while I yawn.
strange bedfellows? evil ahead? (Score:3, Interesting)
Don't panic. There seem to be a few things going on here:
1) The principle investigators for this project are basically intellectual "hubs". Stunning track records. Long histories of students who go on to "move and shake". Perhaps most importantly: active involvement with people from all over the industry. If you want a group that simultaneously has its fingers on the pulses of both industry and academia and has a far better grasp of both fundamentals and how to systematically move forward in good directions, you could do a whole lot worse. The point: this is, to a degree, a "write your own ticket" group of researchers and they wisely elect to go for independence and diverse funding sources. The Big Companies may be big but this crowd is a bit more immune than most to being bullied. Everyone involved knows and embraces that.
2) At the levels of management where funding decisions like this are initiated and made, people are not so out of touch as the average slashdotter is likely to think. Oh sure, they have blind spots. But they are not stupid. They've seen Internet service industry growth increasingly coming from garage projects -- almost to the point that that's the only place it comes from. They do what they can to systemize and potentiate entrepreneurial skunksworking internally but they also know the social and economic limitations of management. Importantly (as can be seen by acquisitions, for example), they know that they need to rely on many, many other people making the up-front R&D investments, most failing, and a few becoming targets for acquisition. One aspect of RAD is that it envisions radically lowering the costs of playing for those external high-risk investors. If today, there are 100 people trying to win the social-network/calendering war, and perhaps 1000 serious novel-network-service efforts overall, and each of these efforts costs many people-months just to get out of "coming soon" state --- an aim of this project is to bump those numbers of people by an order of magnitude or more and shrink the lead-time similarly.
3) This is how corporate investment in academic research is supposed to work (and so it's sad, really, that RAD materials describe this as a "new" model). Corporate investors specifically don't get exclusives and therefore don't invest all that much, individually. What do they get? Partly they get new ideas which, while open to all, the investors hope to be in the best position to use (or the best position to benefit from others using them). Partly (and complementing that) they get less tangible benefits like personal access to PIs and, generally, a leg up on "technology transfer [out of the lab and into the market]".
4) This funding model is an application of a Nash Equilibrium. Let's take Microsoft. They've no shortage of systems researchers that, polite rivalries aside, could be sequestered in a room and could do all of this work just fine -- at far greater expense to Microsoft. What happens if they do that? Google eventually figures out the gist of what problems they're solving and how and obtains the same results, given those hints, far cheaper (and good look trying to repair that with patents -- it just don't work that way). In general, at the bleeding edge like this, the most probable outcome for any of these companies is that they hurt themselves unless they choose a strategy that gives their competitors options other than a direct assault -- RAD is an example of such a winning strategy.
5) "There's something happening here." [Buffalo Springfield]. RAD materials don't talk about it directly and, indeed, they're taking a step-towards rather than looking