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BBC Announces Adult Doctor Who Spin-Off 330

Posted by Zonk from the who-isn't-for-adults? dept.
Dogtanian writes "The BBC has just announced a new 'Doctor Who' spin-off called 'Torchwood'. It is intended to be more adult in tone, and will follow a team investigating alien activities in modern-day Britain. Described as a cross between 'The X-Files' and 'This Life', it will feature Captain Jack, the bisexual time-travelling conman who featured in a number of recent Who episodes. The BBC are likely hoping that this spin-off will be more successful than 'K9 and Company'. The title is an anagram of a popular British sci-fi series, by the way."
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  • The Anagram is.... (Score:5, Informative)

    by 8127972 ( 73495 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:38PM (#13819881)
    Doctor Who in case you missed it.....

    • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:5, Funny)

      by eln ( 21727 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:39PM (#13819882)
      Really? Because I was gonna guess "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy." Good thing you came along and posted that or I would have been really embarassed.

    • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Darius Jedburgh ( 920018 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:42PM (#13819912)
      You've obviously missed 'Hotrod Cow' which is the latest greatest thing to come out of the UK.
      • Or maybe it was based on the pseudo-reality TV futuristic wood chopping show, "How To Cord".

        Or since they mentioned it would be adult, maybe it derived from "Rod To Chow"

    • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Hopefully, they'll be able to offload all the homo-erotic crap that RTD has been trying to "insert" into DrWho of late. The captain (the main character of Torchwood) was an openly bisexual character introduced last season, so Torchwood might be a more appropriate forum for RTD's political agenda, freeing up DrWho to get back to basics without all the uncomfortable sexual baggage

      • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Onan ( 25162 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:08PM (#13820194)
        Okay, it's been about twenty years since I've seen any Doctor Who, so I can't comment specifically on this character, but...

        How does having a bisexual character constitute an "agenda" or "uncomfortable sexual baggage"? Isn't that just sort of a fairly realistic inclusion of the fact that actual people are sometimes gay or bisexual? In much the same way that people are sometimes female, or tall, or left-handed, and thus characters in stories sometimes also have these traits?

        Were you made similarly uncomfortable by Tom Baker's curly-haired-people agenda and baggage?

        • "How does having a bisexual character constitute an "agenda" or "uncomfortable sexual baggage"?"

          The same way a light hearted kiss is considered 'homo erotic'.

        • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by MenTaLguY ( 5483 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:32PM (#13820485) Homepage
          Speaking as someone who's seen the series, new and old... we don't even need to bring homosexuality or bisexuality or whatever into this...

          Tom Baker's characterization didn't totally revolve around the curly hair. Captain Jack, on the other hand, had very, very few scenes that weren't heavily sexualized.

          You could forget, sometimes, that Tom Baker had curly hair. By contrast, the way Captain Jack was written, it was pretty hard to forget, even for a moment, that he was continuously randy for anything vaguely warm and moving.

          It's even more glaring given that Doctor Who has historically been a show so foreign to sex that fandom has long speculated that the main character's species reproduces asexually.

          Now, that was a writing problem too, but I would have preferred something in the middle rather than having a main character almost totally dominated by his sexuality at the expense of other aspects of his development.
          • That seems fair; if a main character really is depicted as having exactly one personality trait, that's a failure of writing, regardless of what that one trait is.

            I rather got the impression that the complaint from the person to whom I responded went beyond that, though. Few people complain about "agenda" when their real issue is just that a character is too one-dimensional.

            • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:3, Informative)

              by MenTaLguY ( 5483 )
              It's worth nothing that in interviews Russell T. Davies deflects criticism of his writing decisions in terms of his hope that everyone in the 52nd Century (where Jack was from) would be similarly omnisexual.

              Given that, I can't totally blame the OP for feeling that Russell has an axe to grind.

          • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:5, Insightful)

            by pm_agapow ( 878103 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @05:31PM (#13821205) Homepage
            Would you complain so loudly if the character was randy and heterosexual ...

            ... like many (if not most) mainstream sitcom characters?

            • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:3, Interesting)

              by ianpm ( 787890 )
              Actually, I probably would. Dr Who should be sexless. Its not about that, nor should it be. The Sci-Fi is supposed to be the core of the show. Not who is getting laid with who (no pun, really, no pun intended).

              The bisexual thing doesn't bother me at all in fact. But it does irritate me slightly that Russel T Davis is using the show to "enlighten" everyone that being gay or bisexual is fine. Of course its bloody fine, but I don't care about it in my sci-fi. Well, not in Dr Who anyway.

              I have Lexa Doig f

          • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:3, Insightful)

            by node 3 ( 115640 )
            You could forget, sometimes, that Tom Baker had curly hair.

            Yeah, because there are so many curly-hair-ophobes. (rolls eyes)

            Could you forget that Tuvok was black? If yes, then you have no problem. If no, then the problem is with you, not Tuvok.

            I haven't seen the show, but...

            Describe Dan Fielding from Night Court.

            Or Sam Malone from Cheers.

            Or that guy with the number from Lexx.

            Or the Fonz (or Ralph and what's-his-name for that matter).

            Now, that was a writing problem too, but I would have preferred something in

        • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:4, Interesting)

          by jangobongo ( 812593 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:39PM (#13820604)
          The "agenda" may belong to Russell Davies who admits, "Yes, I'm a gay writer," [independent.co.uk] and goes on to say, "...to get hung up on it [the fact that Jack's bisexual] is almost too sad for words, frankly."

          The problem is that people are going to get hung up on that very fact. I predict that this spin-off wouldn't do well here in the U.S.

          • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Dogtanian ( 588974 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @05:12PM (#13820997) Homepage
            I predict that this spin-off wouldn't do well here in the U.S.

            I've said this before but... Doctor Who will *never* do well with mainstream US audiences. Period.

            They tried it in 1996 with the Fox/BBC co-production, made a number of compromises for the American market, and it still didn't do very well.

            Put simply, if it were possible to make something called "Doctor Who" that did well in America, it wouldn't be Doctor Who. The BBC seemed to realise this with the new series, and didn't try to repeat their 1996 mistake (which isn't to say it was flawless, but not for that reason).

            Doctor Who will never be more than cult in the US, and it's unlikely that Torchwood would be either, with or without openly bi and/or gay characters.

            Personally, I'm not convinced about Torchwood; I felt the Captain Jack character was symptomatic of the (intentional) cheesiness running through the new series, but I'm not a rabid Who fan, so if it's crap I'll just not bother watching it. If it's good, then... great :)
      • I didn't give a damn whether Captain Jack was bi, my problem was that he was like a fifth wheel, or to repeat another cliche, proof positive that three's a crowd. I don't mind having the odd repeat character, but Dr. Who has always been about the Doctor and his assistant. The Doctor and Rose are great, but Captain Jack was just sort of annoying.
      • Considering all the hot women that have took a ride in the Doctors TARDUS without him getting action from them you would think he's a bit of a poof too.

      • He was just from a time where people dont have mental hangups about sex - like you do.

    • Re:The Anagram is.... (Score:4, Funny)

      by SquadBoy ( 167263 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:56PM (#13820070) Homepage Journal
      There is no 'h' in "Doctor Who". Try again.
    • Yeah when I read that I thought, "Red Dwarf doesn't have a 't' in it!"
    • You should have posted the answer in a link [slashdot.org]. Now it is spoiled for everyone. Great!

  • Adult? Not really (Score:5, Funny)

    by Red Flayer ( 890720 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:41PM (#13819903) Journal
    "BBC Announces Adult Doctor Who Spin-Off"

    And here I was hoping for some quality sci-fi T&A, a la US Spice Channel. Serves me right for RTFA, back to Seven-of-Nine for my sci-fi kitten-killing adventures.

  • Torchwood? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:41PM (#13819905)
    "Elisabeth, come in here!"

    "Doctor it's so dark in here, where are you?"

    "Over here in the corner."

    "I can't see.."

    "I have a torch in my pocket. Come and get it. Yes.. a little to the left.. yes, there it is. That's a good girl."

    *shriek* "That's your KNOB!!"

    "No baby, that's my TORCHWOOD..heh heh heh."

  • First "Bad Wolf" post (Score:5, Interesting)

    by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:42PM (#13819917) Homepage
    Am I the only one who isn't totally sold on Russell Davies' ability as a science fiction writer? The interpersonal drama elements of the new Who were well done, but pretty much all the sci-fi was rubbish. At least two episodes ended with some kind of big beam from the sky hitting the Tardis as a way of resolving the plot. One episode had the Doctor developing some kind of force field so the Tardis wouldn't get hit by Dalek missiles (how can you get hit by a missile when your ship dematerializes to travel through both space AND time?). And when it came right down to it, the whole "Bad Wolf" plot thread was a huge letdown at the end and didn't really make any kind of sense at all. I'm hoping the second season is better, but I get the feeling that will depend on its relying more on independent writers rather than Mr. Davies himself. The two-parter with the gas mask zombies was the best one, and the direction I'd like to see them go. Try watching a bunch of Philip Hinchcliffe-era episodes starring Tom Baker and you'll see how the new series really sort of pales in comparison.
    • Not to mention the Douglas Adams episodes...
      -l

    • Am I the only one who isn't totally sold on Russell Davies' ability as a science fiction writer? ... And when it came right down to it, the whole "Bad Wolf" plot thread was a huge letdown at the end and didn't really make any kind of sense at all.

      Nope, I agree that the "Bad Wolf" plotline was a letdown as if anyone could have pulled what Rose did in the end then there would have been numerous "suicide manipulators" throughout the history of the series. Not well thought out. Some of the episodes were pret

    • You're not the only one. The series does need a scientific consultant (or, at least, Secretary of State for Consistency).

    • Re:First "Bad Wolf" post (Score:3, Informative)

      by Aexia ( 517457 )
      One episode had the Doctor developing some kind of force field so the Tardis wouldn't get hit by Dalek missiles

      Using the extrapolator they picked up in Boomtown. It was a neat piece of continuity.

      (how can you get hit by a missile when your ship dematerializes to travel through both space AND time?).

      Presumably, the Daleks had developed anti-TARDIS technology in order to be a threat against the Time Lords. And in any case, the ship was only travelling through space.

      And when it came right down to it, the whol
      • If only they would bring back the Faction. The 8th Doctor writing took a STEEP turn downhill once they spun Faction Paradox off into its own series. I'd love to see them in the new series.

      • And in any case, the ship was only travelling through space.

        Ah. So it must have gotten into the Dalek mothership through a window or something, yes? Maybe the side door? And that blinking light before they opened the door, that was just it turning un-invisible or something?

        Using the extrapolator they picked up in Boomtown. It was a neat piece of continuity.

        Clever writing, there. "Hey, we'll have the Doctor get a ... a... um, a Gimzagawatzit from Planet Haggamaggagepisfranchilon, and then we can write

        • Ah. So it must have gotten into the Dalek mothership through a window or something, yes? Maybe the side door? And that blinking light before they opened the door, that was just it turning un-invisible or something?

          Slipped into another dimension (the 'D' in tardis)... that's how it goes through things normally - It doesn't *have* to travel in time to do this.

          Also, I'd be surprised if the daleks didn't have dimensional/time shifting missiles by this stage, since they've managed to defeat the time lords (by a

    • Re:First "Bad Wolf" post (Score:5, Insightful)

      by SeanTobin ( 138474 ) <<byrdhuntr> <at> <hotmail.com>> on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:11PM (#13820231)
      Actually, I rather enjoy the writing. As you said, the interpersonal elements are very well done. As far as any perceived problem with "some kind of big beam from the sky hitting the Tardis as a way of resolving the plot" you need to realize that that particular part isn't as important.

      Take what is quite possibly the world's greatest plot device - the Sonic Screwdriver (tm). There are many things that get in the Doctor's way. People, Daleks, the gap of the emotional understanding and motivations of the human species. Those are interesting challenges and make for good television. Opening a locked door isn't as interesting.

      The Bad Wolf plot was not a let down for me. Remember the episode where Rose saved her father and caused a temporal paradox (sorry if there is a better term, years of Star Trek have embedded that one in me.)? It showed that normally there is a limit that you can mess around with the timeline at. Again, it wouldn't be much of a show if you could just go back in time and accidently land the TARDIS on top of the creator of your greatest enemy before he creates them. What the Bad Wolf episode also showed is that those paradoxes can be resolved. What can be more dramatic than Rose desperately trying to get the TARDIS flying on what she knows may be a one-way trip to her death for the slight chance that she can do something to save "her Doctor."

      Again, simple matters of how to open a door don't make for good drama. Telling a crazed, alien-nanite infused, scared, lethal, 6-year old to go to his room in a convincing manner... Sacrificing yourself to time-eating demons to defend your (relatively) innocent companion... Flying the TARDIS into a Dalek ambush to turn certain death into a fighting chance for life... brilliant!
    • Does that mean Russell Davies is to Dr. Who as Rick Berman is to Star Trek?

    • If Rose was able to destroy the Daleks by simply having a long look at the TARDIS core, then why did the entire Gallifreyian species die out in the Dalek conflict? Were none of them able to do the same? Why was the Doctor able to survive the exposure?

      If the captured Dalek destroyed itself because of the contamination from Rose, then why did the God Dalek consent to use humans as raw material?

      Why did Rose choose the words "Bad Wolf?" Why were they significant? Was there any useful meaning?

      Why would the

      • Re:Plot problems. Questionable writing. (Score:5, Funny)

        by ettlz ( 639203 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:42PM (#13820631) Journal
        Why would the Autons, the Rift, the Slovenes, the gas creatures, and Rose's home all be in Cardiff?

        That sounds like the start to a bad joke, with the punch-line "because they've just been to Swansea".

      • If Rose was able to destroy the Daleks by simply having a long look at the TARDIS core, then why did the entire Gallifreyian species die out in the Dalek conflict? Were none of them able to do the same?

        Remember, the Doctor's TARDIS is unique. It's also possible that there are some causality issues that we are unaware of.

        Why was the Doctor able to survive the exposure?

        He didn't.

        Ok, I know he kind of did. Remember, the exposure he got was second-hand.

        Why did Rose choose the words "Bad Wolf?" Why were the

      • If Rose was able to destroy the Daleks by simply having a long look at the TARDIS core, then why did the entire Gallifreyian species die out in the Dalek conflict? Were none of them able to do the same? Why was the Doctor able to survive the exposure?

        It's clearly established that the results of unlimited time activity, let alone interacting directly with the vortex, can led to results that are dangerous, and at best, unpredictable. Rose gambled that she could look into the vortex because she believed she ha
  • I think he might be trisexual. Indeed, someday they might run across an alien race where there are three sexes. And this fellow would most likely want to perform some sort of intercourse with each gender. Thus he would become a trisexual.

    In any case, that is a pretty adult issue to deal with. I mean, society as a whole struggles today with the idea of homosexuality, let alone bisexuality. Toss trisexuality into the mix and we're in a different cricket field.

  • Strange to hear it compare to This Life. I hope it is though, that series was so cool!

  • I wish I was present when they pitched this.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Elphin ( 7066 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:47PM (#13819967) Homepage
    "OK, lay it on us, what's your idea?"

    "well, there's this bisexual time-travelling conman...."

    (awkward silence)

    "...and that's it!"

    "Brilliant! Here's a bag of moneys!"

    • All it is... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by jd ( 1658 )
      ...is a slightly more risque version of the pre-existing Doctor Who spin-off of "Stranger and Miss Brown". And, frankly, although I believe the later episodes were trashy, I did think that some of the other Doctorish stories - like Devil of Winterborne and The Zero Imperative - were impressive for the budget.

      Whether it is the new Who or the new spin-off, I would argue that if it can't manage either the tension of The Zero Imperative, the surrealness of Summoned By Shadows or the darkness of The Terror Game,

  • Ugh... (Score:5, Funny)

    by MudButt ( 853616 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:47PM (#13819969)

    will feature Captain Jack, the bisexual time-travelling conman

    Just when you thought British TV couldn't get any worse...
    • Actually, the ability to make shows concerning such topics is one of the best things about British TV. The results may not be great, but I'd have to say that British TV is far superior to American TV. British TV will deal with subjects that American TV cannot touch. Perhaps that's because many Americans have a far more extreme sense of religion than most Brits. Networks cannot air shows that may offend viewers, and thus decrease their ad reach. Topics such as bisexuality throw many a Christian into a tizzy.

      • Re:Ugh... (Score:2, Insightful)

        by MudButt ( 853616 )
        British TV will deal with subjects that American TV cannot touch

        - Will & Grace
        - Queer Eye
        - Queer As Folk
        - Ellen
        - Pretty much all of Bravo
        I think American TV has pretty much smashed the closet door wide open...

        Actually, my point has nothing to do with religion, Christianity, morality, or anything of the sort. It has to do with the fact that the premise is retarded. Simple as that. I'd say the same thing if he were a "womanizing, time traveling con man" or "bubblegum loving, time traveling co

        • Queer as Folk (Score:5, Informative)

          by Aexia ( 517457 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:08PM (#13820200)
          Queer As Folk

          You realize that was originally a British series... and as it happens, created by Mr. Davies...
        • Bravo! reairs much British content, if I recall correctly. And it is only available on subscription services such as cable or satellite. And even then, it is often ridiculed as an "old person's channel" by most Americans under the age of 40.

          Now, take a look at that list of shows again. Those do not deal with homosexuality in any real fashion. They portray a fairly typical stereotypical view of homosexuals and homosexuality. Men with a lisp, butch women, and all that. They're using homosexual characters as f
      • Perhaps that's because many Americans have a far more extreme sense of religion than most Brits.

        Makes you wonder why we left.
      • Actually, the ability to make shows concerning such topics is one of the best things about British TV. The results may not be great, but I'd have to say that British TV is far superior to American TV. British TV will deal with subjects that American TV cannot touch. Perhaps that's because many Americans have a far more extreme sense of religion than most Brits. Networks cannot air shows that may offend viewers, and thus decrease their ad reach. Topics such as bisexuality throw many a Christian into a tizzy.
  • Due to the irritating connotation it invoked, the old title 'Scorchwood' was dumped. Several people were asked about their feelings about the old series and the new spinoff, their responses were typically something like, 'Dr. What?'

  • Uhhhh yeah... (Score:5, Funny)

    by l0ungeb0y ( 442022 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:50PM (#13819993) Homepage Journal
    So... BBC is going to do an "Adult" show called "Touchwood" with some bi-sexual Captain, his K9 and Company... ....

    And this is somehow NOT one of the signs of the Apocalypse.

    Very well then.

  • Who meets Are You Being Served? (Score:4, Funny)

    by whovian ( 107062 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @03:50PM (#13819998)
    Jack: I'm measuring the Tardis for The Doctor for a block transfer computation. Would you give me a leg up, Mr. Humphries?

    Mr Humpries: Why, YES, I'd be delighted!

  • Am I the only one who thinks DDR?

  • anagram of a popular British sci-fi series (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The title is an anagram of a popular British sci-fi series, by the way.

    Choowd Rot was one of my favourites!

  • End this ambivalence! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ettlz ( 639203 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:05PM (#13820155) Journal

    The new series was good, but plagued with ambivalence. On the one hand, the Doctor makes jokes and the soundtrack plays the occasional circus melodies. On the other, he's a dark, damaged bugger of a Timelord (who may or may not have designs on his impressionable young companion), there are scenes of torure, talk of prostitutes... I for one welcome our grown-up over— no, Timelords. Now let's get rid of the pretence that this is some children's show and make it something challenging and credible*.

    *Yes, I know this is fiction, but I think you catch my drift.

    • The new series was good, but plagued with ambivalence. On the one hand, the Doctor makes jokes and the soundtrack plays the occasional circus melodies. On the other, he's a dark, damaged bugger of a Timelord (who may or may not have designs on his impressionable young companion), there are scenes of torure, talk of prostitutes... I for one welcome our grown-up over-- no, Timelords. Now let's get rid of the pretence that this is some children's show and make it something challenging and credible*.

      That's

  • Adult. That's almost funny, because all it really means is possibly more graphic violence and a big step-up on sexual innuendo, both probably offered, in most situations, as a substitute for more creative, thoughtful writing.

    So ...

    Don't miss "Hex Filets"

    It's a cross between The X-Files and Friends, and it will feature Jack from "Will and Grace" the homosexual madcap who, in this incarnation, stars as a Java programmer. Here's an excerpt:

    Moldwad: Hey, Skilly, I'll bet you I can keep it up all night.

    Skilly: I
  • yes, but can he get me high, and take me to my special island?

  • I'm secure enough in my manliness . . . (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PIPBoy3000 ( 619296 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:16PM (#13820293)
    To say that Captain Jack was one of the more memorable and funny characters of last season. The scene where the robots strip him naked and put him in front of a camera was great.

    Jack: "Are you broadcasting live?"
    (the robots agree)
    Jack: "Ladies, are you in for a treat tonight!"

    I have reservations, of course. The stories themselves have to be good and the writers have their work cut out for them to make him more than a one-trick pony (so to speak). Still, I'm a sucker for British television as well as sci-fi, so I'll at least give this one a watch.

    • The quote in full:

      "What's a Defabricator?"

      Jack's clothes are disintergrated
      "Okay defabricator, does exactly what it says on the tin. Ladies, am I naked in front of thousands of viewers?"
      "Yes."
      "Ladies your ratings just went up."

      - Jack Harkness and the Trinny and Suzanna bots, Bad Wolf

      With thanks to Wikiquote [wikiquote.org]

  • Another article with info about 'Torchwood' (Score:3, Informative)

    by jangobongo ( 812593 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:17PM (#13820298)
    I was reading this article [independent.co.uk] just before this story was posted to Slashdot, and found it to be very informative (though one could say that it has too much information, thankyouverymuch).

    Its going to be difficult for this show to reach its target audience, which I would assume is 19 - 35 males. Most would rather see more Lexx and Seven-of-Nine in their 'Adult' sci-fi, by my estimation.
  • Before "Lost", there were no sci-fi shows on major networks, and with Enterprise on the way out, people thought the genre was dead. Now, I count about six sci-fi shows on major networks, including Lost, Invasion, Threshold, Surface, Supernatural, Night Stalker, and maybe Medium and Ghost Whisperer qualify, for a total of eight, all relatively new. And then you have Sci Fi and USA holding their own with Dead Zone, Battlestar, Stargate, etc. I've never seen so much sci fi on TV, and I have to think it's du

  • That was a head-scratcher... (Score:3, Funny)

    by TheGuano ( 851573 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:22PM (#13820350)
    "BBC Announces Adult Doctor Who Spin-Off" I have to admit I sat there after a double-take wondering "What exactly did this adult doctor spin off? Something like a British WebMD? Why is he an adult doctor? Then I finally read the description, and decided it didn't actually help as much as I thought it would.

  • Government Beaurocracy (Score:5, Funny)

    by turgid ( 580780 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:31PM (#13820476) Journal

    This is what you get when you let a Public beaurocracy do anything. They get it half right.

    Bisexual is good. Man is bad. Who wants to look at an ugly man? Men are ugly. If it were up to a private organisation, it would feature a beautiful bisexual woman. Women are beautiful. Men are ugly.

    Damn beaurocrats.

    What's more, being a Brit, I have to pay for it by law :-(

    If I want to watch the bisexual women on the commercial channel, I have to pay even more.

    Damned government beaurocracy.

    • What's more, being a Brit, I have to pay for it by law :-(

      Only if you watch TV. I gave up on that drivel ages ago.

      • Yes, I went 6 years without a TV set. The bastards constantly hounded me for a license.

        I had to get a TV eventually because I wanted broadband internet, and in my area you could only get it through NTL cable, and needed a TeeVee ...

        It's been all downhill since then.

        Bunch of arse.

  • Here's an radio interview (Score:3, Informative)

    by Snaller ( 147050 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:32PM (#13820491) Journal
    Russell T. Davies is the guy behind the new Doctor Who, and also Torchwood. Here is an interview with him from BBC Wales about the new series: Why Torchwood? [bbc.co.uk]
  • Well, the actor does [johnbarrowman.net] anyway :)

  • I like sci-fi as much as the next geek but could someone please explain to me what there is to like about Doctor Who? Even when I was a kid and a fervent imagination could (partially) make up for the utterly terrible special effects and boring / unconvincing drivel that passed for a story I didn't find it interesting / compelling / etc /etc.

    In fact I can only think of one kid that actually liked it and just about everyone in the school avoided him. So come on - convince me that there is something to like

  • Yea, baby, I'm dimensionally transcendental (Score:3, Funny)

    by volpone ( 551472 ) on Tuesday October 18, 2005 @04:44PM (#13820654)
    "You're what?"

    "I'm bigger on the inside than I am on the outside. Rrrowrr."

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