Futurama May Strike Back (on DVD) 307
Nik writes "Hot on the heels of Family Guy's revival, Can't Get Enough Futurama is reporting that 'there is renewed talk at FOX about bringing fresh Futurama content directly to DVD.' While nothing is confirmed at this point, it is apparently the first time that a division of Fox has considered producing new episodes of the animated sci-fi series in some time."
If they bring this back.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:If they bring this back.. (Score:5, Funny)
BITE. BITE. BITE MY SHINY METAL ASS. It was the first thing Bender said in the series. Variations include "glorious golden ass" and "splintery wooden ass". He said it at least a dozen times. It was his catchphrase. I don't know how you could forget it.
Re:If they bring this back.. (Score:2)
You've Slashdotted It (Score:2)
Sound Great (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Sound Great (Score:5, Funny)
Nobody doesn't like Molten Boron
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Re:Sound Great (Score:3, Interesting)
Maybe there won't be commercial breaks, but as sure as [consummer food brand name] is delicious, there will be ads in those DVDs.
Re:Sound Great (Score:2)
I have to register a dissenting vote here.
Futurama's pop-culture gags were stale. recycled, worn-out.
The Simpsons is built around the dynamic of the family, you care about the family, satire in the Simpsons can be stinging and timely, but it doesn't carry a series for sixteen years.
Futurama's rightful center is Leela and Fry, "two lost souls on the highway of life." Watching Fry grow into an adult relationship with Leela is d
Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:5, Interesting)
This seems to me to indicate that something is fundamentally wrong with the model, and it will continue to push quality off the airwaves in favour of crap.
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:2, Insightful)
It's probably not so much that's it's not cost-effective to broadcast, but that it's not cost-effective enough. Networks make most of their money from the "hit" shows, so it's easier for them just to churn out new shows and cancel them after 3 episodes until they land the next hit. Futurama may have been profitable (I have no idea), but they were probably looking for Simpsons type numbers and regarded it as a failure.
One day someone's going to start pande
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:4, Interesting)
Cable networks have it a bit easier, often they aren't publicly owned. Or they are some smaller business unit of a larger corporation. As long as the cable network brings in some profits and doesn't seriously compete with the main programming then they have a pretty free hand. Also being subscription based changes the business model a bit.
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:4, Insightful)
If you get the chance, walk down the hallway of a college dorm building a little after 11:00 PM EST. Nearly every room with a TV in it will have Adult Swim on.
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:2)
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:3, Insightful)
You misspelled "rerun". The main point of this whole conversation is that Futurama was axed a couple of years ago, and we want new episodes, not reruns. I can already buy the entire series on DVD, which I have done, and was very sad to find out at the end that there simply would not be a 5th season box set forthcoming (I don't have cable which is why I got the DVDs in the first place) because the se
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:2)
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:5, Informative)
Futurama was also a very expensive show. There's a huge list of writers, producers and God-knows-what-they-do executives who are paid quite a bit of money per episode. That's the real problem with the networks-- it's not the actual cost of making a show, it's that every production is top-heavy with people in suits who are paid ghastly sum to give notes. I'm speaking from experience here-- the contact list for a typical network production (animated or live) has more executives than cast and crew. And with so many people with veto power, it's really difficult for something without a very broad appeal to survive.
Futurama is and was great, but it should have been a cable show. With a low overhead it would have found a comfortable audience and could have lasted for years. But at a network, the cost per episode was literally dozens of times what it costs to produce a cable show like Spongebob or Aqua Teen-- and since it wasn't a hit on the scale of The Simpsons, it had to go.
Re:Niche marketing vs. Broadcasting (Score:2, Funny)
Planned cancellations, office politics (Score:5, Informative)
Futurama, like firefly, was scheduled during a "sport overtime" timeslot, i.e. it aired rarely, and sometimes only the confusing second half of the 24 minuttes would air, etc.
Your options are:
Mind bogging incompetance, or mean spirited abuse of power. I'm gonna go with mean spiritted: I don't think someone that incompetant would ever earn the right to make that decision, especially since it happened again to a similar show on the same network not long afterwards.
Drawing a blank (Score:5, Funny)
I can't possibly imagine why anyone would mod you down for trolling.
YEY! Adult swim helps us all out~ (Score:5, Insightful)
They have really shown the world that we want more animation, just like they get in japan. And what better then more episodes of my most favorite show of all time, (besides the simpsons). Seems the quick dissemination of television shows to DVD also really helps show those network borgs just how much we really love a show. Take that Nielsen!
Re:YEY! Adult swim helps us all out~ (Score:4, Insightful)
Hmm...except, I love the Simpsons and Futurama, but the fact that they are animated has nothing to do with it - it's mainly because they are well written and acted comedies.
Obviously both shows get some mileage from being animated, in that you can do things that would normally be expensive (esp. in Futurama), but that is for me, very much a side issue.
I don't ever think "Yay! Futurama's on! I love animation!", I think "Yay! Futurama's on! Bender is great! Deal with it!"
Re:YEY! Adult swim helps us all out~ (Score:2)
Adult entertainment always seems to be at the forefront of various forms of media. Early films included adult films, television was a little different.
Yes, we have come a long way from the humble, but still beloved, lapdance.
Re:YEY! Adult swim helps us all out~ (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, er, you do that.
I'm gonna keep thanking Japan and Europe for leading the way.
Re:YEY! Adult swim helps us all out~ (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:YEY! Adult swim helps us all out~ (Score:2)
Big O is the same kind of show as Megas, but with a tad less comedy and more rain.
If you like giant fighting Robots, what's why Big O exists.
And it's "Cast in the name of God, ye not guilty."
Re:YEY! Adult swim helps us all out~ (Score:2)
"If i want to see real people acting like buffoons i shall look out of my window "
Animation alows for things just not possible in non animated shows.Plus Animation is a true art form
Re:YEY! Adult swim helps us all out~ (Score:2)
Sweet (Score:2, Insightful)
Good news everyone! (Score:2, Funny)
Better than the Simpsons (Score:5, Interesting)
Result:
Simpsons are on their what? 10th season? Futurama was canceled after 5 seasons (and correct me if the numbers are wrong, that's not the point).
I like Simpsons as well (even if not too much) but as far as humor goes, Futurama is more witty, complicated and deep.
Re:Better than the Simpsons (Score:3, Informative)
They are contracted through another 1 or 2 seasons, and they are contracted through 2010 for syndication.
Please correct me if I'm wrong...
Re:Better than the Simpsons (Score:3, Informative)
That's why there are 4 volumes for sale on DVD.
Fox is also experimenting with Web downloads (Score:4, Informative)
Well, they unexpectedly pulled the show after Episode 5, apparently could not compete with Desperate Housewives during the same time slot, so they figured some show about UFOs was worth it, while Obnoxious boss was not.
They posted the remaining episodes on www.fox.com/bigfat (the link doesn't work anymore) later, with a new episode published every Friday. I am not sure what their traffic numbers were, but a lot of fans of the Boss downloaded the complete episodes.
I'd assume Fox would be pretty open to the scheme where they charge $1 or so per download (the obnoxious boss ones were not-DRMed, just regular WMV files, as far as I can remember). Makes sense with the amount of shows they keep cancelling and each show having a "long tail" following of maybe tens of thousands fans, but not millions, to make it justifiable to air on primetime TV.
Re:Fox is also experimenting with Web downloads (Score:2)
Re:Fox is also experimenting with Web downloads (Score:3, Interesting)
That's somewhere around $2/ episode, plus your getting extra's like deleted scenes and commentaries, etc. However, by the time a show makes it to DVD they've already made the money on it from advertising, so the DVD sales are just gravy.
I think there is a market for either direct to DVD or downloadable new syndicated content, though. Throw in some clever product placement, charge $2.50 a
Re:Fox is also experimenting with Web downloads (Score:2)
I see too much Apprentice simply from the ads, and you're telling that there are people who not only watch the actual show, but also blatant dumbed down rip offs? And they are willing to go through the hassle of downloading it in
Apparently TV's good money isn't in smart sci-fi, it's in staged contests :
How long... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:How long... (Score:2)
Clerks - The Animated Series absolutely rocks. Two episodes aired, the remaining 4 that were produced were only seen on DVD
Where's the game? (Score:2, Offtopic)
Re:Where's the game? (Score:2)
Re:Where's the game? (Score:2)
Why? It's a videogame based on a TV show.
Unless this is the first videogame based on a TV show you ever had the misfortune to try, you know it's not going to be good... that's a fundamental rule of videogames: They suck if they are based on a TV show (i.e. the game devellopers are bound by contract to agree to every whim of the TV execs).
I'll believe it when I see it (Score:3, Interesting)
I do hope they create more episodes though. I loved Futurama. I worry, though, if they can get all the same cast and talent back.
Re:I'll believe it when I see it (Score:5, Insightful)
The shows that do best are stuff that appeals enough to lots and lots of people so that they watch it instead of the other channel. (Roughly speaking.) Lots of people watch stuff on TV just because it's there. A show that most people don't care for but that a few people love will do horribly.
DVD sales are the opposite. A show makes lots of money on DVD if it can convince someone to pay $59.95 or more for a season. The only people who are going to do this are rabid fans. So on DVD, a show with a bunch of rabid fans will do better than a show that everyone sort of likes but no one loves.
That's why a "Firefly" can sell more DVDs than "Everybody Loves Raymond". Fewer people like "Firefly", so it got poorer ratings. But the number of people who loved "Firefly" is greater than those who loved "Everybody Loves Raymond", so it sold more DVDs.
If shows start going "straight to DVD", it could be very good for those of us who likes niche shows. Producers will have to worry less about appealing to the entire TV viewing population and will pay more attention to the rabid fanbase.
Re:I'll believe it when I see it (Score:3, Funny)
But the number of people who loved "Firefly" is greater than those who loved "Everybody Loves Raymond", so it sold more DVDs.
But I thought everybody loved Raymond?
(I can't believe nobody took that one before me!)
Re:I'll believe it when I see it (Score:2)
Re:I'll believe it when I see it (Score:3, Insightful)
You got your "they" confused.
They are the Fox DVD execs, they want to sell more Futurama box sets, because Futurama box sets have brought them great profit.
The other batch of execs, the Broadcasting subdivision, don't want to air Futuramas, but the DVD people don't care if the Broadcasters want to air them
Re:I'll believe it when I see it (Score:2)
Didn't Groening say that one reason Futurama's broadcast future was dicey was that, unlike King of the Hill, Fox didn't own any of the production? So, hmmmm.
On the other hand, straight to DVD has got to mean a lower budget (in current dollars) per
Re:I'll believe it when I see it (Score:2)
I'm not disagreeing with the cost/benefit logic, I'm just saying that the way Fox behaves is a classic example of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
They aren't acting in their collective, long term best interest, but in short sighted, selfish ways.
Re:I'll believe it when I see it (Score:2)
Someone state the obvious (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Someone state the obvious (Score:2)
obligatory quote (Score:5, Informative)
"That's not why people watch TV. Clever things make people feel stupid and unexpected things make them feel scared."
I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, but if you read slashdot's headers there'll be random futurama quotes on each server reply. eg:
X-Bender: Well I don't have anything else planned for today, let's get drunk!
Re:obligatory quote (Score:2)
"Will you sign my Bender doll?" (Score:2)
Puny Earthicans! (Score:4, Funny)
Yes! (Score:5, Funny)
("I kid, I kid!")
iTunes video downloads (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:iTunes video downloads (Score:2)
The digital hub becomes a reality.
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NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN (Score:4, Informative)
Problem is, Fox does NOT OWN FUTURAMA, Matt Groining does. The main reason Fox let Futurama die in the firtt place is because of that very reason. Dvd sales of Futurama have not been a barn burner and given the very high cost of producing a Futurama episode I doubt even if Cartoon Network picked up some of the bill it would even be profitable.
Everyone seems to forget that Fox was contractually obligated to the four seasons that aired, and sneakily pre-empted Futurama so that there would be a backlog of episodes so they could tell M.G. "Sorry Matt, there is a backlog of episodes, so we don't need a fifth season," without upsetting the Goose that laid the Golden egg (Simpsons being that egg).
The ONLY way Futurama would see the light of day is if M.G. paid for it himself. End of Story.
Re:NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN (Score:3, Insightful)
Wrong: The Futurama community knows that it's basically dead, we
Re:NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN (Score:2)
Of course, I'd love to see this proven wrong, as Futurama was a fantastic series, but I really don't see this happening, unless much of the staff is replaced with newer (and possibly less skilled) people.
Re:NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN (Score:5, Interesting)
How about new episodes of alternate-Enterprise? (Score:3, Insightful)
Send those direct to video, or if it's too expensive to film, direct-to-the-bookstore.
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Re:"Fresh Futurama content" (Score:2)
The awnsers are all about alliterations.
Alien codec 1. Zoidberg (Score:2)
What does my plate say ladies/gents?
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Hedley
Futurama Family Guy (Score:5, Insightful)
tremble in fear puny earthlings (Score:2, Funny)
"aah hah hah. that's nice."
Re:tremble in fear puny earthlings (Score:2)
if its like the last several seasons of simpsons.. (Score:2, Funny)
If Matt Groening takes that kind of work to Futurama I would rath
They Forgot The Important Link! (Score:5, Informative)
Well, I spoke to David X.Cohen because we did promos for a new Futurama compilation and he said that they did have talks with the top guys at FOX and they were extremely impressed with the sales of the Futurama DVDs. The idea was to make a Futurama movie right to DVD and then a 2nd and a 3rd. That's what's being discussed. Fox is trying to figure out a budget for the whole project, and it sounded like David X. was very jazzed!
I would love more than anything to do that show again. I thought it was best experience on every level... creatively, voice-wise, writing, animation and the laughs. The laughs. Writers and performers that respected each other.
It's got a bit more effect when you have a quote from a voice-actor talking with a producer.
Firefly (Score:2, Insightful)
the only problem is... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Let it die (Score:4, Informative)
as for futurama, it has a more sci-fi/geek based comedy style that you wont find in the others.
Re:Let it die (Score:2)
Moderation
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I am speechless.
Re:Let it die (Score:2)
Futurama i loved as well the charichters are all great , its has quantom indeterminacy jokes"No fair , you changed the result by mesuring it" and a plethera of geek/nerd reference
I started whatching American Dad a
Re:Let it die (Score:2)
It may work if they start to age the charicters a bit ,
Re:Let it die (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Let it die (Score:3, Insightful)
long answer: yes -- family guy died once and it did matter for the fans so fox revived it.
and to be on topic, i for one cant wait for our futurama overlords to be back. even on dvd.
Re:Let it die (Score:3, Interesting)
And look at what they've done with Arrested Development, definetily one of the top sitcoms (if you can call it that) on televis
Re:Let it die (Score:2)
Yes I can call it that.
It's a half hour situation comedy revolving around a dysfunctionnal family, with the regular assortment of clueless dad, horny and confused teenager, goofy simpleton, etc. Nothing new there.
They do, however, shake the camera around and pretend it's reality TV. I guess there's people out there who really like pretend reality television... but it's just another gimmicky sitcom to me.
Re:Let it die (Score:2)
That's a pretty accurate description of tv in general.
Re:Sci-fi series? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Sci-fi series? (Score:5, Funny)
thats what it would have been like .. (Score:2)
Re:let the quotes begin! (Score:2)
Re:let the quotes begin! (Score:5, Funny)
Professor: Oh, that's still true.
Hermes: Behold the internet!
Fry: My God! It's full of ads!
Re:let the quotes begin! (Score:2)
Re:let the quotes begin! (Score:2)
Re:let the quotes begin! (Score:2, Funny)
Prof: "Damn you! You changed the result by oberving it!"
Genius.
Re:Theres just one thing to say... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Firefly (Score:3, Informative)
Hold your horses, the comics are coming this summer, then the movie this fall, and then we'll see.
Personally, I'd prefer if they kept their new alliance with Universal instead of going back to the deepest pits of hell to meet with the Fox execs.
Re:YES! (Score:2)
Yep. And after it's gone straight to DVD, and they've had the initial massive sales... It goes to TV.
Yes - it began with Futurama. DVD is the release medium and crap films go straight to TV instead of DVD. Think about it - it makes so much more sense (for them). Hell, it can even shut down the Betamax argument.
Re:Hey! (Score:2)
Re:What about the writers? (Score:2)