Thunderbird 0.9 Released 373
Simon (S2) writes "Thunderbird 0.9 is now available for download! New features include Saved Search Folders (aka Virtual Folders) which allow you to display messages based on previously set search criteria across multiple folders. Message Grouping allows you to organize e-mail in a folder by grouping them based on various attributes like Date, Sender, Label, etc. Thunderbird 0.9 also includes numerous bug fixes and other improvements. For more information, see the release notes. Builds can be found on the mozilla.org FTP server or in the release notes above."
Fantastic job! (Score:5, Insightful)
Kudos to the team both at the Foundation and in the open source community for turning out this first rate software!
Re:Fantastic job! (Score:2)
Add an interface to Gmail... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Fantastic job! (Score:3, Informative)
I can't speak for others but I have never gotten Thunderbird to work properly with Sunbird. I have tried with the past few versions and the avialable extensions and it never goes. Pity.
Re:Fantastic job! (Score:3, Informative)
Still, it needs a few more revisions before it's really ready.
Tiger Features? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Tiger Features? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Tiger Features? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Tiger Features? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Tiger Features? (Score:4, Informative)
also Lotus Notes (Score:4, Informative)
Notes of course isn't open source and you can only do limited view customisation without the design client, I do like the user interface for creating these saved searches, it is better than creating a private view in Notes.
Re:Tiger Features? (Score:2)
Credit where credit is due (Score:5, Informative)
Why is it... (Score:5, Interesting)
So, have the devs been listening? (Score:5, Interesting)
I use Thunderbird, and I like it, but it drives me nuts having one more thing cluttering my taskbar when all I want it open for is to let me know when mail arrives.
Here you go (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Here you go (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Minimize to tray (Score:3, Informative)
Re:So, have the devs been listening? (Score:3, Informative)
PopTray (Score:4, Informative)
Re:So, have the devs been listening? (Score:2, Interesting)
Torrents? (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't worry (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Don't worry (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Don't worry (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Torrents? (Score:3, Insightful)
These numbers are tracked very closely by the Mozilla community to measure penetration.
Yes, I (and they) know it's not a perfect source of information, but it is a source.
Saved Searches sounds good but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Saved Searches sounds good but... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Saved Searches sounds good but... (Score:2)
Re:Saved Searches sounds good but... (Score:2)
Re:Saved Searches sounds good but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Saved Searches sounds good but... (Score:2)
What about performance and memory usage? (Score:5, Interesting)
This is not to disparage Thunderbird or anything. Thunderbird is one of two mail user agents (MUA) I use regularly, the other being plain old mutt when I am connected to the home server using ssh.
The issue with Thunderbird is not functionality, but rather bloat. It takes up a lot of memory and is slow. Compared to for example, FireFox, on the same machine.
Re:What about performance and memory usage? (Score:5, Interesting)
I've found TB to compare favorably, performance-wise, to other clients I've tried, such as Outlook, Outlook Express, Evolution. (Although it's been a long time since I've tried Evolution.)
Re:What about performance and memory usage? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What about performance and memory usage? (Score:3, Informative)
Bayesian Folders (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Bayesian Folders (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Bayesian Folders (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Bayesian Folders (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Bayesian Folders (Score:3, Informative)
It seems to be stalled at the moment, but there is motivation, money, and work there. Voting for the bug raises the odds that it will get attention. Not by a whole lot, but some.
buggy? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:buggy? (Score:5, Informative)
Remember, it's a fork off of the Mozilla project, which has been past 1.0 for quite some time.
Re:buggy? (Score:2)
Re:buggy? (Score:2)
See, you would think e-mail would be a world of nice, standardized protocols and perfectly compliant mailers and transport servers. The sad reality is that SMTP, RFC822 headers, and MIME are abused or incorrectly implemented all over the place, often in more subtle and insidious ways than HTML. (To be fair, some of the standards are pretty hard to write a 100% compliant parser for.) This is not too surprising when you think about how many e-mails probably get generated
Re:buggy? (Score:2)
Re:buggy? (Score:2)
Firefox has frustrated me no end, but Thunderbird never did. However Evolution2 is the way forward for those of us working in a GroupWise environment...
Re:buggy? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:buggy? (Score:2)
I wonder. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I wonder. (Score:3, Interesting)
Right now, the network is a mess (started working here about 6months ago) - but I'm currently working on making MSIs for Thunderbird so I can keep it up to date easily. Someone did the same thing with Firefox and it's great!
Time to give another version a try (Score:2)
Question for the Outlook "switchers" (Score:5, Interesting)
I use Outlook for my personal email, and I'm strongly considering changing my mail client. Other than the security benefits of not automatically running scripts when viewing messages, can anyone who has switched to Thunderbird tell me what other features make this client a preferred choice to Outlook?
I'll politely add that open-source isn't enough to compel me to change, nor is bayesian filtering (I already use SpamBayes).
Thanks for your help, and really, I'm not trying to fan any flames!
Re:Question for the Outlook "switchers" (Score:2, Informative)
I like the interface.
It supports IMAP well, it allows me to have my newsgroups in the same app.
It supports RSS too, which is a feature I love!
Re:Question for the Outlook "switchers" (Score:4, Informative)
1) Mouse gestures. I'm on a lot of mailing lists, and being able to specify common actions as a gesture (right-click & drag right to select the next unread message, for example) saves me a lot of time digging through lists like Full-Disclosure.
2) Message threading. It's not perfect, but it helps a lot to be able to group messages by thread (I think new versions of Outlook can do this, but my 2000 version can not).
3) The Baysean filtering is nice, but as you've mentioned, you already have that.
4) Themes. Yeah, it's trivial, but still...they're fun.
Re:Question for the Outlook "switchers" (Score:5, Interesting)
- Leaner UI overall. I like Outlook's corporate functions, but I just don't use them that often at work, and never at home. Also, Outlook suffers from having 15 different ways to get to your folders - they keep adding new panels and icons. I don't consider this a good thing at all, since it rarely - if ever - increases my productivity or improves my user experience. It just makes me click around idly.
- Significantly faster (and better) quicksearch (there are even rumors of search-as-you-type in the future!)
- As with any other Mozilla product, they listen to the users' comments. If a reasonable, much-requested feature doesn't make it to the release, I'll bet my hat there's an extension that does it.
- Shockingly, it's a better client for Ma and Pa User. Fewer buttons, leaner out of the box, no office environment mumbo jumbo. (I'm not even going to take seriously suggestions to use Outlook Express in that case.)
Re:Question for the Outlook "switchers" (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Profile, preferences, rules, contacts, etc are easy to backup. You can have all your files in one place and you choose where.
2. IMAP support in Outlook really sucks... in a way i can`t even describe it. Thunderbird is perfect with IMAP, and no need to purge messages manually...
3. Saved Search folders in 0.9 are great. They are like views in databases, but for your messages.
4. RSS support to keep you up with the news.
5. Great extensions makes Thunderbird even better.
6. It looks much better than Outlook Express.
Re:Question for the Outlook "switchers" (Score:2)
I've dropped using RSSOwl and bloglines to use Thunderbird exclusively for reading my RSS feed.
Re:Question for the Outlook "switchers" (Score:4, Interesting)
- Administration - One simple screen for e-mail accounts and another simple screen for other configuration options. I find the Outlook barrage of configuration windows and tabs VERY annoying. It's also difficult to see exactly how POP/IMAP e-mail accounts are configured in Outlook. If you see the options in Thunderbird you'll see what I mean.
- These new Virtual Folders (mail's not really moved into them, but it's a view over all your mail based on criteria you specify). I use Outlook 2002 (XP) at work and I don't see any way to do the same without creating rules to copy mail to folders.
- Message threads. I see no way to do this in Outlook 2002.
- Less features. Outlook has more features, but I don't have any use for most of them. So Thunderbird is less cluttered for me.
Re:Question for the Outlook "switchers" (Score:2)
Re:Question for the Outlook "switchers" (Score:5, Informative)
1) Buttons work differently, such as the delete button doesn't also close the message if you opened the message in a new Window (These type of problems are solvable with the Buttons! extension)
2) The context menu for Copy To and Move To is very annoying for them to use since they typically have 100s of folders nested across their accounts, and they can't seem to find the folder they want fast enough, where as Outlook will just pop up a little window with a folder tree for Copy/Move operations.
3) The address book contacts editor has most of the useful information on the first tab, but the Company Title and Notes section are on the 2nd and 3rd tab, and users find it annoying to have to use these extra tabs for such common pieces of information, when all the other stuff on the 2nd and 3rd tab is unused. Somehow, they wan't those two fields duplicated onto the main tab for the contacts editor.
4) Having to open the address book in a new window, and the contacts sidebar tab really doesn't help anybody I suggested it to here. Users really seem to wait a contacts folder in their folder list to see the list of contacts.
5) The contacts list is not easily sortable like Outlook and blank fields seem to sort above A forcing them to sort Z-A and scroll down to find the stuff in the middle. I guess they just want A-Z sorting to put blanks after Z.
Delete Duplicates? (Score:2)
I want a "Export to mysql" option (Score:5, Interesting)
Label threads (Score:3, Interesting)
Any idea if this is possible or planned?
0.8 to 0.9 Upgrade Freezes (Score:5, Informative)
Re:0.8 to 0.9 Upgrade Freezes (Score:2)
Re:0.8 to 0.9 Upgrade Freezes (Score:2, Interesting)
how does it comapre to gmail (Score:2, Interesting)
Instead of folders, categorizing messages, so that a message can have multiply categories. I always hated using folders anyways and everything just ended up in my inbox.
The search is best part of gmail. How does searching in Thunderbird compare ?
PIM features? (Score:3, Insightful)
Adding in the existing Calendar extension [mozilla.org] would be a good start. Adding in connectivity to an standards-based open source groupware server [citadel.org] would create the end-to-end solution we've been looking for all these years.
Related Story (Score:3, Informative)
Story here [reuters.com].
The story says Firefax now enjoys a 6% market share!
Link to homepage. (Score:4, Informative)
I've just discovered a new killer feature (Score:2, Insightful)
You'll have to download it to see what it does
Lean and mean? (Score:2, Troll)
I thought firefox (currently using 55 MEGS of RAM) and thunderbird were supposed to be "lean and mean"?
Re:Lean and mean? (Score:5, Informative)
Of course I do have 5 inboxes, one of which has 413 messages and the other 327 (the other three all have less than 100 (72, 15, 0)). I have two separate windows open, and two tabs in one and 3 in the other.
What can I say, that doesn't seem too unreasonable. Note that explorer.exe is taking 16,368, and IEXPLORE.EXE with just slashdot takes 17,800 alone.
Is firefox lean? Maybe not as much as it could be, but it is pretty good. THe fact that it opens as fast or faster than IE without the same OS hooks? Bloody ingenious if you ask me.
Hmmm... (Score:2, Informative)
Not a Selectable Folder problem (Score:2)
This has been the one reason why i haven't switched to using Thunderbird. If you set it to check mail in all folders it pops up that dialog every time it checks each folder.
Huge problem with imap servers that use mbox instead of maildir.
And filtering still doesn't work (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm on a mailing list that, due to its nature, must accept submissions from non-members and has a public address. Naturally, it gets swamped with spam. SpamAssassin catches most of it, but doesn't add headers or change the subject; instead, it politely sends a warning message (I believe report_safe is set to 1) and attaches the original message.
Since I have no headers to work from, I have to create filters based on body content. Simple enough, right? If it contains words foo bar baz, delete the message.
Except it doesn't work. Didn't work in
Forward Wrap (Score:5, Interesting)
1) user gets email.
2) user replies to email, text wraps correctly.
3) user forwards email and the text does not wrap at all, but instead runs off the screen horizontally causing annoying readability issues.
Does anyone know why this is? It still appears to be in Thunderbird 0.9. I'm confused as to if it is a bug or by design [ietf.org]. If it's a bug, it's kind of a big one. If it's by design, it's kind of a poor design and there should be an option or preference to have "reply" and "forward" act consistently.
Otherwise, Thunderbird ROCKS -- nice work Thunderbird developers. It's fast, free and just getting better and better with each release.
~jeff
p.s. Inline spell check would be nice
format=flowed? (Score:3, Informative)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Though this shouldn't force scrolling AFAIK, at least when I view it in T-Bird.
Re:Forward Wrap (Score:3, Informative)
(reply or forward first) Go to Edit, Rewrap. This should reflow the text
It is somewhat annoying, though.
In other news.... (really) (Score:2, Interesting)
This should be the last release candidate [RC] before the big 1; because in theory all the bugs should have been ironed out in this RC, but, nonetheless, Mozilla.Org is asking users who want to beta-test to download it and, in particular, check for bugs [mozilla.org] in these areas in RC2:
Some non-English RC2 builds are avaliable too accor
Outlook Address Books (Score:3, Interesting)
(Mind you, even then it'll be an uphill task, despite the company having 14 Linux servers handling all our mission critical stuff, our tech. support guys are diehard Microsoft fans who are afraid of anything not by Microsoft!)
Re:Outlook Address Books (Score:5, Interesting)
In response to another poster, I'm sorry, but
I'd prefer to use Thunderbird (or Mozilla) over Evolution or Kmail since I use both Windows and Linux, but I wish the three would get together and hammer at a way to have a really powerful address book standard, leaving no vCard info behind and storing any other info not included in vCard (e.g. Last Sort View State). And of course leaving no useful Outlook info behind either.
Dara
Love TB and FF, but I will not upgrade (Score:5, Interesting)
It used to be that upgrading either of these wouldn't effect my plugins, but these days I have to redo all of my plugins after each install.
A major pain,... I will wait until a "must have" new feature comes out.
Steve
can we assign a unique SMTP server per personna? (Score:5, Interesting)
This is a big problem these days because SPAM filters at the ISP block email where the reply-to address is not within the same domain as the sending SMTP server.
It's a must-have feature me to move to it.
LoB
Re:can we assign a unique SMTP server per personna (Score:3, Informative)
Needs faster searching (Score:4, Insightful)
Anyone know of speedier search capabilities coming to Thunderbird anytime soon?
Re:Privledged (Score:2)
You'll need to get your Sysadmin to enable it though...
Re:Privledged (Score:2)
So I log in through Pine or my web-based email system and guess what I see? None of the files are actually gone - they're just "marked as deleted" and taking up friggin' space. Considering that they
Re:Privledged (Score:2)
No, I have no idea why it doesn't do that automatically...
Re:MSI package... (Score:3, Insightful)
mozilla.org have great servers. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:GREAT! (Score:2)
Re:GREAT! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Have they... (Score:2)
http://www.poptray.org/ [poptray.org]
Re:Have they... (Score:2)
John.
Re:Have they... (Score:2)
I'm probably missing something, but didn't this already exist? My version 0.8 used to show a white/green envelope in my sys tray (Windows XP) when I had unopened mail - no extensions, before someone suggests I'd installed poptray without realising!
Re:Archive?! (Score:3, Interesting)
Thunderbird lets you save by pressing Ctrl+S on a particular message, but it doesn't work when you have more than one message selected, and you can't use drag-and-drop either. And I haven't been able to figure out how to display the message in TB again (there's a File | Open Sa
Re:From Tracy Island (Score:2)
Kind of. 0.9's the one which comes up from under the swimming pool while the swimming pool is still in the way. It should be fixed for Thunderbird 1.0, after they've knocked the (literal) dents out...
(Engage topic realignment!)
Um... The only major thing I can think of as missing from Thunderbird when I last installed it was some sort of mbox importer. It's easy enough to copy the files in to Thunderbird's Special Folder, after you've
Re:Gmail ? (Score:3, Informative)