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Sony Connect Online Music Download Store Launches

Posted by michael on Tue May 04, 2004 12:43 PM
from the live-the-sony-life dept.
securitas writes "USA Today's Jefferson Graham reports that today Sony launched its online music download store, Sony Connect, to compete with Apple's leading iTunes service. The tracks use the MagicGate DRM copy-protection scheme and will work only with Sony Memory Stick-compatible devices including VAIO computers, CLIE PDAs, MiniDisc, CD and Walkman products. Sony will also launch a new line of 1-gigabyte Hi-MD disc players that support the service. Sony Connect's catalog sports 500,000 tracks from independent and major labels and songs sell for 99 cents each or $10 per album. The service uses Sony's SonicStage software and works with Windows 98SE-XP PCs only. It is only available in the USA until the planned European launch in June. That's a whole lot of restrictions in an already-fragmented market. More at The Register and The Age."
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  • Loss leader? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bcmm (768152) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:44PM (#9053627)
    Is this just a way to sell the devices?
  • by base3 (539820) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:44PM (#9053634)
    . . . even right down to the vendor lock-in part. Wonderful. Wake me when I can buy, rather than rent, music.
  • Uuh... (Score:5, Funny)

    by PatrickThomson (712694) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:45PM (#9053635)
    Sony Connect Online? What an unfortunate acronym. What are they going to do, sue iTMS for selling music, the concept which they apparently own?
  • Kiss Apple Goodbye! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by callipygian-showsyst (631222) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:45PM (#9053640)
    (http://www.robert.to/)
    Much as I like iTunes, Sony has several advantages:

    1. They're a major record label AND a major PC vendor

    2. They can get into the Japanese market easier

    I think they'll be able to clobber Apple.

    • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Txiasaeia (581598) <`moc.liamg' `ta' `sneseirfwopgnuk'> on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:48PM (#9053704)
      Sorry, but are you kidding? Time has proven over and over again that market penetration > brand recognition. Apple has a year's head start on Sony -- what makes you think Sony can catch up now?
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    • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:49PM
    • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! by tyleroar (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:50PM
      • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! by Paul Lamere (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:55PM
        • Sony has no angle like IBM did (Score:5, Insightful)

          by danielsfca2 (696792) * on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:07PM (#9053988)
          (http://danpritchard.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday January 03 2004, @04:24AM)
          But IBM did, just because they succeeded in selling their existing business customers on the concept of IBM being the "Standard For Business" in the PC market too. Once a few businesses signed on, it was all over for Apple in the business sector because you wanted to go with the standard. And that was the end of the PC wars.

          So where's Sony's parallel advantage here? I think that analogy is a good thing to keep in mind in general, but very fallacious because Sony doesn't have a big captive audience that they can convince on a new standard.

          For the record, MP3 is the Standard For Music, with all its faults (poor quality and no DRM from the label's POV) is the standard and will remain so for a while because of its ubiquity and freedom of use. The iPod has become the de-facto "Standard For MP3-Players" and it's not a personal thing--I'm just going by marketshare here.
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      • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! by twofidyKidd (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @03:47PM
    • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by The I Shing (700142) * on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:52PM (#9053755)
      (Last Journal: Friday May 06 2005, @02:21PM)
      I believe that Sony might be able to clobber Apple, but that Apple's cachet and hipness might well carry the day for them.

      Sony is a good, solid brand. I own and love a Sony digital camera and have had treasured Walkman units throughout the years, but Sony is not quite as hip of a brand as Apple.

      But I might end up surprised. With enough artist support and advertising, Sony might do economically better with their store.
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    • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! by Have Blue (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:54PM
      • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! (Score:4, Interesting)

        by AstroDrabb (534369) * on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:55PM (#9054634)
        Actually, Apple has the number one postion based on sales because their iPod/iPodMini are priced more on average then the copetitiors. As far as number of units sold, they do not have the #1 postion. However, 3 million units is a pretty good number of players to have out their and those players are pretty much locked into iTMS.

        Where I see Sony having an advantage is their size and market force that Apple cannot touch. Sony doesn't have to pay the same royalties that Apple does to labels sine Sony is a major label. Sony can also pull strings to get a bunch of thier "cool" "artists" to do some commercials and you now have millions of screaming teens crying to their parents to get them a device from Sony. Next, Sony can do deals with MS that Apple just cannot do. With MS and Sony, they can own the Media market by locking consumers into their technology. Give it about two years and Apple will dwindle, not because iTMS is bad, but becuase it is just too hard to fight "the system".

        Think about all the things Sony can do to stop Apple. They can do back room deals with other labels to release new content to only thier format or MS's format. That right there would slowly kill Apple. Either Apple dies or changes iTMS to work with the new formats. If Apple works with the new formats, then Apple loses the lock-in to their iPod.

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    • That's funny! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by danielsfca2 (696792) * on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:54PM (#9053800)
      (http://danpritchard.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday January 03 2004, @04:24AM)
      1. Sony's being one major label only gives other labels a disincentive to cooperate...and most artists fall into the "not on Sony" category. Sony has no majority of artists on its labels.

      2. Yeah. Apple has no following in Japan at all. Give me a break! The Japanese can't keep their hands off sexy, stylish, hip little things. I predict it'll be even harder to get your hands on the iPod mini in Japan (upon its release there) as it has been in the US. Name a Sony product that's come out in the last three years that's got anywhere near the amount of buzz as the 3rd-gen. iPod and iPod mini.

      I think the words [pkmeco.com] of Seinfeld's Jackie Chiles will soon apply for Sony here: "This is the most public yet of my many humiliations."
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      • Re:That's funny! by joggle (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:45PM
      • Uh.... by raehl (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @02:09PM
        • Re:Uh.... by danielsfca2 (Score:3) Tuesday May 04 2004, @04:36PM
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    • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! by wud (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:59PM
    • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! by pluvia (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:00PM
    • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:01PM
    • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! by BumBiscuit (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:31PM
    • Re:Kiss Apple Goodbye! by Kagami001 (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @02:45PM
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  • by mpost4 (115369) * on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:45PM (#9053642)
    (http://www.nowhere.net/ | Last Journal: Thursday November 18 2004, @12:27AM)
    it such a small share, I only know of one company that uses it (correct me if I am wrong)

    when I look for a divice that uses a flash card, I do not buy sony because I will not be able to use it on any other device I already own, right now I am looking at digital camras, and I sony is not even an option for me because I can not use it with any other device I use, I want one with an sd card because all my other devices accept an SD card.

    I think it is not a good idea to only suppord devices that only use a memory stick for it, since, that limites your market right there.
  • Retarded (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sseagle (715847) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:46PM (#9053656)
    Who really cares about sony's mp3 store solution, especially with the files being crippled. And it only works on the actual system it was compiled on apparently...
  • heh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by no-arg constructor (775215) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:47PM (#9053667)
    i don't think steve jobs has anything to fear from sony considering you have an old, aging minidisc format, working on only win98-xp pcs, and really not offering up that much initial space, 1 gig? i'm not even an mp3 whore and i have more music than that.
    • Re:heh by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:13PM
    • Re:heh by dead sun (Score:3) Tuesday May 04 2004, @03:14PM
  • ...will work only with Sony Memory Stick-compatible devices... ...1-gigabyte Hi-MD disc players...
    From the sonyconnect site [sonyconnect.com]: "What devices are compatible with Connect?
    Any ATRAC-compatible device from Sony works with Connect."


    Great! This will be a huge hit with the people who thought Apple's music store doesn't support enough players.

    I wonder how many iPods there are out there in the public's hands for every Sony Memory-Stick and "Hi-MD" device. I'm guessing at least 4, and that's being generous to Sony.

    And 1GB. Wow. That's sooo much music. Has anyone at Sony ever even heard of hard drives? C'mon, I was expecting some sort of competition here, but this is more like a joke.

    Anyone know what restrictions the DRM imposes? They conveniently make no mention of it on their 5-page website (overview, features, download, customer support, independent label signup). I'd say that's pretty relevant information to put out front if you want to convince people to download your software.

    -Daniel Pritchard [starseven.net]
  • Why i will never buy sony again. (Score:5, Informative)

    by conner_bw (120497) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:47PM (#9053677)
    (http://www.nightlifemagazine.ca/ | Last Journal: Thursday March 24 2005, @12:46PM)
    Sony is a plague that never ends. I bought a minidisc from them specifically to be able to digitally record my own music performances. I was falsely led to believe (by the sales person and the box) that this was possible. It has a USB cable after all.

    Turns out this was utter bullshit. The only thing i could digitally import into the mini disc was encrypted data from a crappy windows program named NetMD made by Sony that i could work around [pctechtalk.com] archaically with Nero. I couldn't output digitally either. I would have had better results using a cassette walkman.

    I was stuck with this piece of shit for a new year's set that has double generation loss via input and output. I used it with regrets and then sold it on ebay.

    Yeah, people don't care. Sony has brand recognition, blah blah blah, go back to sleep. But Sony makes products that are very locked down and cost much more than their competition. Why people like them is beyond me.

    Lesson learned: never buy Sony again.
    • Re:Why i will never buy sony again. by cscx (Score:3) Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:50PM
    • Re:Why i will never buy sony again. by Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:51PM
    • Re:Why i will never buy sony again. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Beautyon (214567) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:14PM (#9054090)
      (http://www.cafepress.com/irdial.13697382)
      Sony is a plague that never ends.

      It cannot be denied that SONY was once one of the greatest companies on earth. Take a look [pocketcalculatorshow.com] if you have not already seen this gallery of Walkmen. They got it right lots of times, in many areas.

      In this one area, digital music, they have got it completely wrong. This is unusual for SONY. Their portable digital music players have completely flopped, their proprietary encoder is a failure, and they are being left out in the cold in an area where they should be numnber one.

      They were in a position to set the rules. They own Columbia and its huge back catalogue. They have the technical expertise to build the most seductive portables. They have software developers. What they were/are missing is the foresight.

      They should have:

      Released open players instead of crappy crippled portable DRM factorys

      Released the entire Columbia music catalogue for free via a web site.

      Watched tens of millions buy their shiny players and split the money with their Columbia artists.

      Watch their CD sales increase.

      They would have owned the portable music player space, created the number one destination for music online, demonstrated that MP3s are the new radio, short circuted all the RIAA lawsuits, and....acted more like SONY.
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      • by JonTurner (178845) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @02:04PM (#9054740)
        (Last Journal: Tuesday August 28, @07:41PM)
        >>They were in a position to set the rules. They own Columbia and its huge back catalogue. They have the technical expertise to build the most seductive portables. They have software developers. What they were/are missing is the foresight.

        Correct, but what Sony also has is accountants, and they exert undue influence in Sony's strategic decisions. Allow me to digress for a moment, and I'll explain why this matters.
        Sony is a two-pronged company -- they sell 1)content (music, movies, etc) and 2) components (televisions, vcrs, robots, etc.)
        These two divisions are opposed to one another. The component side wants to make the open, flexible "killer" hardware we want, but the content side of the company wants those devices locked down (to the point that they're not useful) so as to prevent "theft" of intellectual property, copying movies/music, etc. So these two halves are continuously fighting against one another and the CEO must decide what the right balance is.

        In step the Accountants. They're there to help the CEO make this decision, but Sony's beanmen only understand a static balance sheet -- as if Sony must choose between sales of Hardware or Content. They conclude that if a sony device can be used to copy music, they will lose sales from the content side of Sony, therefore the device must 1) be locked down, 2) be expensive enough to offset potential losses from the content side, 3)contain DRM to protect Sony's IP.
        Fortunately, Sony's not the only player in the market, so their sales remain poor and they end up squandering an opportunity to compete.

        This scenario is good!; the way I see it every company that fails at marketing a DRM device is a win for the consumer. Perhaps after years of disappointing sales, the boardroom will tire of seeing their money wasted and demand a decision, one way or the other (content vs. component) be made. Thus, the stalemate is broken and the company can move forward.

        In short, Sony's current "have it all" strategy is doomed in a free market*: Given the choice, people don't want DRM. Let's just hope Sony's (or any other company following this model) spectacular economic flame-out doesn't encourage them to pressure government officials to mandate DRM in order to prop up their failing business model.
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  • Talk about limiting your options (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:47PM (#9053680)
    That's a whole lot of restrictions in an already-fragmented market.

    The trendy people and the first-out-of-the-gate people have already gone to Apple. And people interested in their own personaly freedom and fair use will be using one of the services that doesn't include all this hand-tying. So I think Sony might get 10 or 20 people to use this.
  • "Loss" - what do they mean? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:48PM (#9053695)
    The owners of copyrighted material often say they suffer "harm" and "economic loss" resulting from illegal copying. Like most arguments put forth by copyright enthusiasts, it holds little water - for several reasons:

    The claim is mostly inaccurate because it presupposes that the friend would otherwise have bought a copy from the publisher. That is occasionally true, but more often false; and when it is false, the claimed loss does not occur.

    The claim is partly misleading because the word "loss" suggests events of a very different nature--events in which something they have is taken away from them. For example, if the bookstore's stock of books were burned, or if the money in the register got torn up, that would really be a "loss." We generally agree it is wrong to do these things to other people. But when your friend avoids the need to buy a copy of a book, the bookstore and the publisher do not lose anything they had. A more fitting description would be that the bookstore and publisher get less income than they might have got. The same consequence can result if your friend decides to play bridge instead of reading a book. In a free market system, no business is entitled to cry "foul" just because a potential customer chooses not to deal with them.

    The claim is begging the question because the idea of "loss" is based on the assumption that the publisher "should have" got paid. That is based on the assumption that copyright exists and prohibits individual copying. But that is just the issue at hand: what should copyright cover? If the public decides it can share copies, then the publisher is not entitled to expect to be paid for each copy, and so cannot claim there is a "loss" when it is not. In other words, the "loss" comes from the copyright system; it is not an inherent part of copying. Copying in itself hurts no one.

  • So Then by Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:48PM
  • S.C.O (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:49PM (#9053718)
    Yeah, Sony Connect Online. Only 699 US dollars per song.
    • Re:S.C.O by mt v2.7 (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @04:28PM
  • I've been buying music lately from Allofmp3.com, covered lately in Slashdot. A review of it can be found here [infoanarchy.org].

    It's cheap (1 cent per megabyte), great quality (offers me lossless FLAC files), and legal (royalties paid to ROMS, the relevant group in Russia). And the files are unencumbered

    All the problems of iTunes (summarized excellently at Downhill Battle [downhillbattle.org]) still apply. Why go for something restricted, too expensive, and too controlled by the media monopoly, when you can get cheap legal music from Allofmp3 or similar services?
  • So many restrictions.... (Score:3, Funny)

    by jkabbe (631234) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:53PM (#9053773)
    Can blonde people use it or only brunettes?
  • Deja Vu (Score:5, Insightful)

    by shr1n1 (263515) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:53PM (#9053785)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday February 01 2006, @02:10PM)
    Sony still doesn't get it.

    Betamax : Tried to push its own standard. Failed even though it was superior.

    Minidisc : See above

    Memory Stick : Again persists on going it alone even though other standards are more popular and widespread (CF and SD)

    Sony connect : Lauches its own spin when other established players are already in the market.

    Interoperability means nothing to these guys.
    • Re:Deja Vu by Doesn't_Comment_Code (Score:3) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:07PM
    • Re:Deja Vu by Arcaeris (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:13PM
    • Re:Deja Vu by pubjames (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:14PM
      • Re:Deja Vu by drinkypoo (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:27PM
    • Re:Deja Vu by drinkypoo (Score:3) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:24PM
    • Re:Deja Vu (Score:5, Informative)

      Betamax : Tried to push its own standard. Failed even though it was superior.

      OT, but to correct this little urban legend... "superior" is in some ways relative, and in Beta's case applies to only one measure: resolution. Even there the difference was small and was more than offset by the tiny capacity of Beta tapes - you could fit far more on a VHS tape, so I'm not sure this is an overall technical win for Beta. Regardless, SuperVHS was on the market at the same time as consumer Beta and those wanting a sharper picture could simply opt for an SVHS machine (as I did) to get the best of all possible worlds. Obviously, VHS also offered the most choice in hardware and software, so I've always thought it questionable when I see Beta listed as "superior" to VHS. Beta was just poorly designed and implemented all around.

      The Beta format is still used in news and other professional industries, though vastly upgraded over the consumer version (and with the obvious added expense). It's still not a "standard" though, as other tape formats are common as well.

      Minidisc : See above

      Minidisc was never superior to anything. ATRAC initially compressed music pretty badly, to the point where it was initially not much better than analog cassette tapes, let alone CD's or even MP3's. Capacity was always an issue with MD as well, as it was with beta. MD was (and to an extent still is) useful for certain things like recording live shows or DJ sets, where you could plug a portable player in and basically have a poor-man's DAT. Sound quality was not equal to DAT, but the discs were/are more durable and user-friendly.

      MD did fairly well in Japan but it was despite its technical limitations, not because of any superiority. It really succeeded there because the discs and players were small, not for any other reason.

      I guess my point is this music store is just another in a series of Sony blunders. They've had plenty of success stories as well, but they're no stranger to failure and this seems like another doomed venture to me. How many crippled music file sites can the market support, anyway? If iTunes cannot even meet its own expectations (despite Jobs' proclamation that it has "exceeded all expectations", 70 million is still a lot less than 100 million), then I don't see what vast untapped market Sony is expecting to materialize. They're going after the same tiny market of overpaying, choice-hating DRM-lovers that Apple is, and not very well, I might add.
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    • Mixed examples, but your reaction is dead on by ianscot (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @02:33PM
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  • Playstation (Score:5, Interesting)

    by athakur999 (44340) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:54PM (#9053798)
    (http://mypuppet.net/ | Last Journal: Monday June 23 2003, @01:58PM)
    It'd be interesting if Sony added some features to the upcoming PS3 to included support for their music store. With game consoles gradually veering towards becoming "home media centers" (or whatever the buzz word is today), this seems like a possible move.

  • Sony's stuff is restricted to Sony's patforms. At least Apple's iTunes software is multiplatform, openly usable (there are cgi scripts that will query the database and get songs for you) - I dont think Sony will get very far with their online music store.
    • Re:Yeah! by shunnicutt (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @02:09PM
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  • Rob Enderle speaks by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:57PM
  • DOA (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Ars-Fartsica (166957) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:59PM (#9053870)
    The tracks use the MagicGate DRM copy-protection scheme and will work only with Sony Memory Stick-compatible devices

    You would think the Betamaxalicious success of MiniDisc (yeah yeah, its big in Japan, whatever) would have taught Sony a lesson here. Its amazing, Sony has gone from being one of the smartest companies in consumer electronics to one of the dumbest in a very short period of time.

    Their financials are in the crapper and they can't seem to bring anything to market to dissaude iPod buyers.

    • Big in Japan? by SenorCitizen (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @03:32PM
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  • Who designed their site? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by telstar (236404) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @12:59PM (#9053876)
    So they've got their featured artist featured on the right side of the homepage. You'd think maybe you could click on the graphic and access those tracks? Nah! That'd be too logical. Usability. Start there, then add the fluffy stuff later.
  • No Mac Client by larry2k (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:00PM
  • This could be good for Sony by medley (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:00PM
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  • Wait....let me get this straight by Lord_Dweomer (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:02PM
  • $1 per track is far too expensive (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pubjames (468013) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:02PM (#9053911)

    When will the music companies realise that $1 per track is far too expensive, and their profits would probably increase if they acutally decreased the prices. And they'd have much happier customers as a result.

    If tracks were 10c each, I would quite happily buy whole albums without worrying if I might not like them after a couple of plays. I buy up whole genres of music - if it cost me $50 to buy up all the best punk tracks of the 70's (or whatever), I would do that, despite it being a genre I never normally listen to.

    However, I spend very little on music. I just don't like to get ripped off and I don't think $1 a track is justifiable when they have virtually zero distribution costs. And don't give me all that crap about how expensive it is to promote a record, or how the cost has to be high to pay for the flops. That's just all bullshit, especially with the near zero distribution and manufacture costs that the internet allows.
  • Nothing wrong with choice (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:07PM (#9053986)
    I'm amazed at the tone of comments here. Everybody's saying since Apple's done it already then forget it. Aren't you folks for choice? Do you really want a monopoly by Apple, no matter how good it is? It's not "fragmentation" it's "more choice is good for the consumer."

    OK, this one has DRM and vendor lock-in etc. But it's still a competition for Apple. And unless Sony and Apple get into a cartel, that's a good thing. Because at the very least, Sony can generate an environment where prices may even drop. Remember, you wouldn't see any sale prices on your favorite food if there was only one supermarket chain in existence.

    Are you people really such sad, ignorant elitists?
  • Fragmented market (Score:5, Interesting)

    by AndyChrist (161262) <andy_christ.yahoo@com> on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:07PM (#9053990)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    All these services requiring their own software, or even their own devices...or at least strongly discouraging using anything else...

    I'm sorry, but I can't help but say anything but "fuck you!" to all that.

    If they can make their DRM work just fine with winamp, and not require me to have any special software to use their site, I might be able to deal with it.

    You might try and compare it to online games, but most of those, you get the game and the rest is pretty much automatic. It's more like if Amazon and Barnes and Noble required you to use their own proprietary browsers to shop their web sites.

    It might be MEANT to be a pain in the ass to make it harder to switch to a competitor...but the first site that can keep out of court and turn a profit while using nothing more than a web browser, will be the one who can REALLY take on Apple.

  • it wont fly to well... (Score:3, Interesting)

    If customers buy responsibly and if NetMD/OpenMG was any indication of how tight sony's DRM is, they shouldn't do so well against Apple. Apple has the advantage of the iPod and the fact that its players hold loads more music than an MD (which you have to burn) or a Memory Stick (which you burn your money buying). sony is just too restrictive when it comes to things. I couldn't even upload a recording I made via NetMD. I had to use a freaking optical out cable and manually record it. Who wants restrictions like that?
  • One Year From Now by Doesn't_Comment_Code (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:11PM
  • Memory Stick? MagicGate?! (Score:5, Funny)

    by sulli (195030) * on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:13PM (#9054068)
    (Last Journal: Monday October 22, @04:01PM)
    1998 called, they want their technology back. Do they really think the iPod generation will go back to Memory Stick for their tunes?

    This service is dead dead dead dead DEAD . Toast. Kaputt. Stick a fork in it.

  • Betamax and VHS... by pluvia (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:14PM
  • Sony Software by orangeguru (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:19PM
  • My opinion of Sony by panic911 (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:28PM
  • Music Catalog by thpdg (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:29PM
  • Official Policy (Score:4, Informative)

    by Alex711 (585263) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:35PM (#9054382)
    DOWNLOADS LICENSE AND LIMITATIONS ON USE.

    Sony Connect hereby grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable license to use the Connect Downloads in accordance with the following limitations (the "Limitations on Use"):

    Permitted Uses: You may play the Connect Downloads an unlimited number of times on up to three (3) personal computers that are registered with the Connect service, including the personal computer on which the Connect Downloads are originally downloaded. Once downloaded to that personal computer, you may transfer the licensed Connect Downloads an unlimited number of times (except for WMG's Content, which may be transferred up to three (3) times) to portable music devices and media that read the OpenMG DRM such as the HiMD, the Net MD, and the Memory Stick media. You may not thereafter transfer, copy or export (or the like) such Connect Download from one such device to another, or to any media of any kind without maintaining the OpenMGDRM. In addition, you may also "burn" up to a total of ten (10) (up to five (5) permanent copies of the Connect Downloads in compressed form in the Atrac3 codec encrypted and protected by the OpenMG DRM and up to five (5) Redbook CD's) to either blank recordable CD-R compact discs or blank recordable CD-RW compact disc (i.e., a physical, non-interactive record configuration that conforms to either (i) in the case of CD-Rs, the so-called "Orange Book Part II" technical specification for "write once" compact discs or (ii) in the case of CD-RWs, the so-called "Orange Book Part III" technical specification for "re-writable" compact discs). Any burning or transferring capabilities of the Connect Downloads are solely an accommodation to you and shall not constitute a grant or waiver (or other limitation or implication) of any rights of the copyright owners of the sound recording and underlying musical composition embodied in the Connect Download.

    Non-Permitted Uses: Any use of the sound recordings as embodied in the Connect Download other than as permitted above is a violation of the copyright in such sound recording under applicable laws, and is prohibited. Except as expressly permitted in the "Permitted Uses" section above, you may not reproduce, distribute or transfer the Connect Downloads, in any format. For example, you may not: (i) transfer the Connect Downloads to anyone else; (ii) register more than 3 computers with the Connect store at any one time; (iii) copy or transfer the Connect Downloads to more than the number of portable music devices expressly permitted in the "Permitted Uses" section above; (iv) "burn" more than ten (10) copies of any particular Connect Download to blank recordable compact disc; or (v) copy or transfer the Connect Downloads to any storage device or blank media not specifically authorized in the "Permitted Uses" section above. In addition, you may not reverse engineer, transcode, decompile, translate, adapt, modify, disassemble or otherwise tamper with the Content, or the software, or circumvent any technology designed to enforce these Limitations on Use. You further agree that you will not attempt to modify the software or the Usage Rules for any reason whatsoever, including for the purpose of disguising or changing ownership of the Content.
  • by CerebusUS (21051) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:36PM (#9054396)
    Notes:
    Do not use SonicStage while logged on to a domain user account under Windows 2000 Professional, Windows XP Professional or Windows XP Home Edition.

    SonicStage should be installed while logged on to an account with administrator privileges.


    So I can't be logged into a domain while using the software? so much for the "at-work" crowd.
  • Much bigger than you think. . . (Score:4, Informative)

    by doctor_no (214917) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:38PM (#9054416)


    This is actually much bigger than you think. . . in fact it's much
    bigger than Sony or portables

    This Sony Connect actually fits into a larger distro called AnyMusic available in Japan that was
    created by a cooperation of Japanese consumer electronic firms including Sony. AnyMusic [eetimes.com]

    Sony, Kenwood, Pioneer, Sharp, Onkyo, Marantz, Denon, JVC, and Yamaha
    plan on creating consumer electronic devices beyond portables that will
    be comptable with the online distro (using Atrac3 and OpenMG X/Label
    Gate); also likely the Sony PSP/PS3 will also be compatible as well as
    other non-sony devices.

    Here are some devices that support the format:

    Pioneer [impress.co.jp]
    X-AM1

    Kenwood [impress.co.jp]

    Sony [impress.co.jp]
    NetJuke (40GB HDD)

    Demos:

    Corporate [impress.co.jp]

    CE [impress.co.jp]
    screenshot

  • 99 cents per song sounds familiar (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Dachannien (617929) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:44PM (#9054510)
    (http://www.unity08.com/)
    I find it interesting that the RIAA spent some time trying to badger Apple into increasing the price-per-song [theregister.co.uk] on iTMS, but now Sony (an RIAA member) comes out with their own service selling songs for the same price.

  • Memory stick 256mb by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:53PM
  • Uphill battle for Sony by BumBiscuit (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:59PM
  • Not workplace friendly by AstroDrabb (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @02:15PM
  • Apple's Advantage by ReadParse (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @02:25PM
  • So who couldn't predict this 3 or 4 years ago? by therealking (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @02:30PM
  • by SamBaughman (74713) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @02:44PM (#9055255)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday April 20 2004, @08:19PM)
    Here's what I dug up from their horrible site. It's buried in the Terms & Conditions, http://www.sonyconnect.com/tos.html. With my observed differences to iTMS added for flavor.

    Three PC's running Connect which may play your purchased files. Which is only available on PCs, no Mac version. iTMS just increased this to 5 PC's.

    Each track may be "burned" 10 times: 5 times as a compressed, DRM protected file, and 5 times as an unprotected CD audio track. iTMS makes no claims on limiting the number of times you may copy the protected file. Each track can be burned from a single playlist 7 times (two more than Connect), and from different playlists over and over (no total burn limit).

    Unlimited copies to devices which support OpenMG copy protection. Unless you have a file from "WMG", which can only be placed on 3 portable devices. All of the compatible devices are made by Sony. iTMS lets you make unlimited copies to iPods, made by Apple. Depends on the device you like.

    Sounds likes iTMS has them blown away. I'm not sure how (or if) these are enforced by Connect. How you do keep people from backing up their purchased files to CDs?
  • bandwagon by chachob (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @02:45PM
  • Windows 98 and ME by nandhp (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @03:21PM
  • As long as they don't name anybody, better doesn't by crovira (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @03:41PM
  • Minidisc is not Apple's problem, the PSP is! by saniko (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @03:46PM
  • by OgGreeb (35588) <og@digimark.net> on Tuesday May 04 2004, @04:31PM (#9056781)
    (http://www.digimark.net/)

    I could understand Sony Connect if it existed in a music vacuum, but since it has competition, they would have to answer the single question: What is the compelling advantage to the consumer to buy their product?.

    • It isn't cheaper than the competition.
    • It isn't more widely accessible; it's limited to Windows and a proprietary application.
    • It doesn't enable more freedoms to use the product then the competition. It's has much more restrictive DRM and a lesser-used codec.
    • It's not usuable on a wider variety of player hardware.
    • It doesn't have the support of anyone outside Sony.
    • It doesn't provide more, or more useful extras, like printable album covers.

    While I have a number of Sony devices which include memory sticks, I haven't considered tasking any of them to be music players because of other limitations inherent to the devices. For example. minimal available memory in a Clie, or the availability of more convenient modes of usage (CDs) in a VAIO notebook.

    To repeat, I can't find a single compelling reason to consider purchasing from their online store over its competition. Can you?

  • Missed the Obvious Place to Compete by GumphMaster (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @04:43PM
  • I'm surprised everyone has so far ignored Janus? by ctbarker32 (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @05:48PM
  • who the hell owns an MD player??? by Sophrosyne (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @06:10PM
  • When will people realize? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by poofmeisterp (650750) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @07:12PM (#9058549)
    ...that by purchasing these DRMed products and music that you're just encouraging and supporting these large corporations and the **AA's business models?

    Even if fair use it taken into consideration through the use of proprietary hardware, the big companies will take those rights away as soon as they have M$-sized market share (proportionally-speaking) and people can't afford to switch to a platform that takes their interests into consideration.

    I guess if you're gullible enough to chase after the pretty bells and whistles without considering the consequences, you deserve whatever happens. I guess that really means I don't have a point.
  • sheryl crow by my1wong (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @07:32PM
  • Sony content must bow to Sony hardware by EaglesNest (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @09:58PM
  • just like itunes with more crap by chaos421 (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @10:14PM
  • A day late and a dollar short by humidors (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @10:55PM
  • Personally, I went Off Sony Some Time Ago by Blue_Wombat (Score:1) Wednesday May 05 2004, @02:19AM
  • In defense: by scootaboy (Score:1) Thursday May 06 2004, @11:37AM
  • Re:I did work for these guys (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hamsterboy (218246) on Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:10PM (#9054035)
    Perhaps moderators should check sources as well.

    http://www.wagnerconsultingllc.com/ goes nowhere. Hidden backdoors in BSD? One Eyed Jack? His journal claims that he's charging Rusty six figures for work on kuro5hin.org's back-end code, and his other entries are almost as amusing.

    Sir, your fiction borders on the believable, in a Clancy-esque way. I congratulate you.

    Hamster
    [ Parent ]
  • Oh, he's definitely bullshitting: by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:19PM
  • Re:I did work for these guys by 0x0000 (Score:2) Tuesday May 04 2004, @01:21PM
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