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from the stevens-pass-today dept.
Still an acorn at this point. Jose Nazario writes with a correction to my recent post claiming that OpenBSD had gained a "fuzzy" user-profiling IDS. Jose writes: "It is NOT in tree. it is a privately developed research project. It is not an official project."
And Yes, the Apple I schematics were available, too. In response to the recent article about the freely available chip design from opencores.org implemented by Flextronics, Henry Keultjes offers a reminder that this is not the first time chip whose internals have been open for inspection:
"Happened quite some time ago with PowerPC. That's the essence of Microsoft's deal with IBM because without that Open Architecture Microsoft would have had to buy a lot more than it did. This for example is used in a roughly $150 French set-top box that has USB and, according to a friend in the UK who has tried that, runs just fine as a PC with the attached USB HDD, KB and rodent."
Could Wayne Inouye sell you an eMachine? After reading many pointed comments in the story about eMachine's Athlon offerings, arrasmith writes "To add to the topic of AMD64 eMachines and the launch of "I hate eMachine" posts I'll throw out why you should buy one.
eMachines are the number-3 seller of computers, only behind Dell and HP. If you are wondering about how that happened, you need to read about the new CEO.
Wayne Inouye has had some articles published about him in Business Week and Forbes. Great articles on how you can sell good computers at reasonable prices. And if you are wondering why eMachines is selling an AMD64 system read the Business Week article."
OK, as long as you buy it from us. Alien54 writes "As reported in the most recent Spyware Info Newsletter, Dell seems to have listened to the criticism handed to them last week, after their decision to forbid tech support persons from providing assistance to spyware-infected customers became public knowledge. They have partnered with PestPatrol, Inc. to sell Pest Patrol's spyware removal software to Dell customers. It is interesting to note that Dell does not recommend any freeware or shareware product because 'we cannot test these open source utilities reliably.' Which is simply silly, of course."
Utah may not be Utopia after all. brysnot writes "The Salt Lake Tribune reports that the Utopia project, which plans to run fiber to every home in Utah, has miscalculated its 2003 budget and now needs each member cities to come up with an additional $250,000. Also reported is that 'Its largest member, Salt Lake City, is uncertain whether to provide financial backing to guarantee payment of the principal and interest on the bonds the project needs -- a development that could force the project to be scaled back.'"
Writes Lighthop "The best way to overcome Qwest's vast resources and well orchestrated opposition is for citizens and business owners to speak out and let their city council members know we support them in approving UTOPIA's funding. We have to be visible and give them some political cover.
The 18 UTOPIA member cities are Brigham City, Cedar City, Cedar Hills, Centerville, Layton, Lindon, Midvale, Murray, Orem, Payson, Perry, Riverton, Roy, Salt Lake City, South Jordan, Taylorsville, Tremonton and West Valley."
Hilbert's 16th is still a problem. commodoresloat writes "The work of Elin Oxenhielm, the 22-year old Swedish student who apparently solved part of the 16th Hilbert problem, is coming under heavy fire from some prominent mathematicians, including her own adviser, who said the work contained "serious mistakes, which I think any educated mathematician can easily see." Here's an article in English. Oxenhielm responded to the criticism by saying that the journal that accepted her work, which now owns the copyright, is responsible for any errors. More information on this weblog."
Periscope is up, showdown commences. McSpew writes "The Register states that Microsoft's patents on the FAT filesystem may be subject to new scrutiny, thanks to their announced plan to collect royalties from media and CE manufacturers. The Public Patent Foundation is behind the effort to get the USPTO to start from scratch with Microsoft's FAT patents."
FDA gives GM fish sales the eerie green light. fishfishfish writes "The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Tuesday released a statement saying that it will not be stopping the sale of transgenic Zebra danios in the USA. The move could allow fish retailers in any U.S. state to sell the fish. Apart from California, where Arnie has banned them..."
From her own adviser (Score:4, Interesting)
We know geniuses tend to be social geeks, but getting that from your own adviser while you are still doing you PhD...wow! Good luck with that PhD!!
Re:From her own adviser (Score:5, Informative)
Re:From her own adviser (Score:4, Funny)
(http://cec.wustl.edu/~kramer)
Not impossible: Inevitable (Score:5, Funny)
(Last Journal: Thursday June 19 2003, @11:50AM)
Two non-fugly math chicks! What are the chances?
Chances are probably not as bad as you might think. Two non-fugly math girls, lonely for a little love yet repulsed by the animate male lumps of lard and sweat surrounding them. Both so lonely, so sad. Trying to concentrate on their work. Young student huddled close together with advisor, going over a math problem. Then it happens! Zhou's hair brushes ever so lightly against Oxenheilm's cheek. They pull back from each other in surprise. They both felt it. And in that moment, their lives changed forever. It was unavoidable. It was their destiny. Their professional composure decays exponentially fast as they both realize the inexorable truth. They are going to have sex and there is nothing either of them can do to stop it. Is this attraction stable? Does it matter anymore?
Clothes are pulled off each other in an optimal fashion. Each woman studies the continuous curvature of the other's body. Fingers trace the inflexion points, the saddle points, the contours, and then, utimately, the poles. Their fingers now slick with the complex residue of the other, their heart beats begin to constructively interfere with each other. The intensity of one heart increased by the feedback from the other. So wrong. So dangerous. So good.
Groups give way to gropes. Rings give way to rimjobs. Fields give way to fondles. Their fingers, so skilled at manipulating mathematical equations, now find a use in manipulating each other's boundary layers. Both women writhe and squirm in unison until they are epsilon away from a mutual orgasm (epsilon -> 0 quadratically fast).
And then it's over. No more theorems, lemmas, corrolaries or proofs. The two young women lie on the floor knowing that their relationship has changed forever. Without a word they clothe themselves and the impressionable young student leaves the office. Never again will they discuss this incident. This will be an isolated singularity hidden for all time in the vast infiniteness of time.
GMD
Zhou is protecting herself (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Thursday June 19 2003, @11:50AM)
Did you read the article that was linked to? Zhou's public comments are an attempt to distance herself from Oxenhielm. Oxenhielm thanks Zhou in her (possibly flawed) paper for assistance and Zhou is terrified that the community is going to laugh at her (Zhou). It's easy to forgive a youngster for getting excited and making mistakes but they would come down very hard on Zhou for letting stuff like this slip through. Effectively Oxenhielm has put Zhou's name on this work in spite of the fact that Zhou never reviewed it. You wouldn't want to be blamed for something you had no hand in, would you?
Oxenhielm is probably too young to remember what happened to Ponds and Fleishman at University of Utah regarding cold fusion. Zhou wants to make sure that Oxenhielm doesn't take her down too when her proof gets shot down.
GMD
Re:Zhou is protecting herself (Score:4, Funny)
Spoken like someone who has never been married.
Dell is mixing upo OSS with Shareware/Freeware... (Score:5, Insightful)
Someone should inform Dell that freeware and/or shareware products are not necessarily open-source.
Re:Dell is mixing upo OSS with Shareware/Freeware. (Score:4, Insightful)
AMD 64bit CPU's and linux (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Friday April 27 2007, @02:20PM)
The only reviews I've seen are on Windows OS's running in 32 bit mode (why, for crying out loud, if linux runs on them cleanly...) I think I saw that RH and Suse have 64-bit offerings, but RH is expensive... never tried Suse
Just curious. Pointers to informative articles would be welcome
Simon
Re:AMD 64bit CPU's and linux (Score:4, Informative)
o, assuming I get hold of one of these AMD 64-bit boxes, how hard/easy is it to get Linux compiled for 64-bit. What are the pitfalls with gcc (is an int 64 bit in 64-bit mode ?)
Here is a list [newsforge.com] of supported distros. And yes, I believe an int is 64 bits in 64 bit mode
Re:AMD 64bit CPU's and linux (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.welsh-buck.org/jbuck/)
No, on 64-bit Linux platforms int is still 32 bits, while long is 64 bits. Pointers are also 64 bits.
The two most common C models are commonly referred to as ILP32 (int, long, pointers all 32 bit) or LP64 (long and pointer are 64 bit).
coding 64-bit apps on Unixes and Windows (Score:4, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/~LinuxParanoid/journal/ | Last Journal: Wednesday April 21 2004, @05:53PM)
In general, most Unixes and Linux (as you say) have adopted the LP64 model where longs/pointers are 64-bits and ints are 32 bits (some gory details here [yarchive.net]. (Cray's Unix is an exception; it's ILP64).
Windows OSes however have adopted the LLP64 model where ints and longs are 32-bits still, but long longs and pointers are 64-bits (gory Windows details here [microsoft.com] and here [microsoft.com].)
Both 32-bit Windows and Unix traditionally used ILP32, so the porting characteristics moving to 64-bit code are slightly different across the two platforms.
--LinuxParanoid
Re:AMD 64bit CPU's and linux (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://bob.mcelrath.org/)
The other posts in this thread indicating otherwise are wrong. An int is 32 bits on 64-bit archs under linux and gcc. (I know, I have 2 alphas and a sparc)
-- Bob
Re:AMD 64bit CPU's and linux (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://sc.tri-bit.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday July 08, @02:36AM)
A 64-bit platform is a platform which has been attacked by marketroids. The C Standard says nothing about the sizes of any of the base types in comparison to any of the various sizes a 64-bit platform might choose to support, rather referring only to comparisons: char may not be longer than int, short may not be longer than int, long may not be shorter than int, et cetera.
Granted, many C compilers choose to ignore the advice of the standard, which is to implement int as the fastest integer type for native math, and implement it as a 32-bit because buttheads like you can't get through your thick skulls not to use raw types. But good compilers, and also good programmers, don't suffer such silly strictures.
vu8 * clueBat = "rtfm";
the FDA? (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Sunday May 18 2003, @11:53PM)
Isn't there a more appropriate group to be handling this? Sure, let the FDA approve them if you plan on eating the fish, but I figured they were for display only. ;)
they're not (Score:5, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Why is there no law..... (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://rollerdevice.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday August 06 2003, @08:40PM)
Re:Why is there no law..... (Score:4, Informative)
(http://sc.tri-bit.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday July 08, @02:36AM)
The real problem is how difficult it is to define whether a product has become ubiquitous. For a lesson in how difficult that is, refer to CompuServe's superficially compelling arguments about the dominance of JPEG that allowed them to fool a judge into thinking the resurfacing of the LZ patents was okay. Sometimes a patent really can't be judged in time, and sometimes a company gets into commercialization beforehand knowing fully well that it'll have to stop; see the issue with the chemical that made wacky wall walkers, and Klutz Press.
Conspiracy? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday December 09 2003, @01:25AM)
IANACT
JFMILLER
"we can not test"... (Score:5, Interesting)
So, personally, I can well believe that *if* they looked at the cost of validating some particular build of some particular OSS software for download from their web site, that they would conclude that it cost too much. So "We can't because it costs too much" is a reasonable response. Chicken, yes, and maybe doesn't server the customer the best possible way, but reasonable.
Of course, every time I've dealt with Dell in the past they've been idiots, so that might be a reason, too.
Open source testing (Score:4, Insightful)
I wonder if the claim they can't reliably test them would fall under false advertising or libel or something similar. Free software has a hard enough time getting accepted without the big companies that the masses haven't yet learned not to trust spreading complete crap like this.
copyright ownership? (Score:1, Funny)
(1) Uh.. can you even "sell" the copyright of mathematical proofs like this? Mathematics is truly in a scary and sorry state if you have to hand over full copyright of such a work to get it published..
(2) Way to dodge credibility and responsibility by claiming the journal that bought your work is now responsible if it's broken. She would have a great future in software sales.
Re:copyright ownership? (Score:4, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/)
big difference.
In "ordinary errors" should have been catched in the review process. If not, the journal has bad reviewers.
It sometimes cost money to publish scientific articles.
In essance, you pay them to review your paper.
Major errors that slip through, should be blamed on the journal, yes.
Drawing the Hardware/Software line (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.infiltrated.net/ | Last Journal: Monday February 16 2004, @01:07AM)
I'm all for helping people when necessary, and I would agree with Dell for not wanting to waste their own money on people's stupidities.
Now I work at an ISP and sub as IT staff at a mid sized college every here and there. (Fixing T1's, students' comps, all sorts of shit) main causes of students' issues? Spyware. I visited I think 80% of the campus based students for the same shit... Joe football player wants VirtuaGirl on his machine and clicks on everything in existence... Result? Spyware, viruses, and trojans. One chick had a 8k phone bill on her cellphone because she kept her info on a backdoored machine. All this after they receive bulletins, I've told the same ones over and over, etc.
I would side with Dell, just think about the costs of a persons moronicy on the Dell level. So you have say low ball figure of 100,000 morons calling you because they've just downloaded garbage...
TS = Tech Support (low ball salary) $10.00 an hour...
DU = duration of call say 5 minutes
CL = Calls (per 8 hour day)
Whats that an extra +1000 tech support staff that need to be hired? 20mill per year thrown away on morons...
Re:Drawing the Hardware/Software line (Score:5, Insightful)
But lets say thats just part of the issue, most people are running unpacthed versions of Windows, using IE (unpacthed IE, shudder). They're browsing the web because . . . they bought the computer to browse the web. They're opening email attachments because . . . attachments are made for you to open. They're using the machien for what it's designed for. They're doing what all the nice shiny pretty people in the commercials say they can do.
Closest real world analogy I can think of would be:
guy comes home. Guy doesn't lock door. Robber comes in, beats guy up. Guy goes to hospital, but insurance refuses to pay because he was too stupid to lock the dorr, so go bleed somewhere else.
Would never happen. We'd just solve the problem. Even the door angle is too simplistic, for most people it would be closer to "robber comes in through grate at bottom of building that connects through shaft which goes to his room". Non obvious stuff.
The issue is computers are immature. Neither windows nor Unix were originally designed to be in a hostile network environment. UNIX has improved a lot more than Windows has, but there are still flaws. Until we redesign everything to live in a hostile world, we will have issues. Until then, it will be us morons who program the systems, and the marketing morons who sell a bill of goods that can't be delivered.
illegal fish (Score:2)
(http://blogs.iloha.net/dirvish | Last Journal: Tuesday March 22 2005, @08:49PM)
Are they completely illegal, or is it just illegal to sell them? Could I legally bring them from another state into California?
Re:They could swim into the state. (Score:4, Funny)
*Sigh*. No, this is closer: "I'm sorry, I just can't do this with it glowing at me!"
"Ok, I'll get him out of the stream." (Pause, splash) "Now, where were we..."
(Fishy noises)
"I just can't... I can't stop thinking about it glowing at me."
"It's gone. It can't be glowing at you now."
"But I can't get it out of my head!"
"What is it, really? Am I to fat? To thin? To red? Not red enough? What? Last night you had a headache, the night before that it was your 'time of the month', before that... Don't you love me anymore?"
"I... I don't know. I'm not sure I do."
"What happened? What went wrong?"
"I'm not sure. I think we just grew apart. Please, let's not talk about it now. I... I need to sleep."
"Fine."
"Um, could you sleep on the other side of the streambed..."
And it is all due to a glowing fish...
The journal is not responsible for the errors. (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen)
As one who has refereed math papers, I think that this is not true. When I am sent a letter asking me to referee, I am asked to comment on how important the result is, and I am asked to assess how correct the paper is, but often I am explicitly told that errors in the paper are the responsibility of the author, and not the referee.
Disappointed (Score:2)
(http://iki.fi/teknohog/ | Last Journal: Tuesday August 14, @06:49PM)
This sounds very unprofessional and unscientific. I hope this is a misunderstanding on the side of Aftenposten. Otherwise this seems like a stupid publicity stunt. I wonder if we have to pay a $699 license to access the original paper ;-).
The important thing is... (Score:1, Offtopic)
Well, the important thing is, she got her name mentioned on slashdot. That's gotta be good on your resume...
Little math discrepency? (Score:5, Informative)
(Last Journal: Saturday March 27 2004, @05:00PM)
"...needs member cities to pony up an additional $250,000 so it can continue to pursue its bond offering."
So it looks like they're just $250k short, not $4.5 million short as the poster seemed to indicate. In fact, if I'm reading this right, it means each city would only need to come up with ~$14k each, if they're going to split it equally.
I quote: (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Friday July 18 2003, @10:58PM)
Gee... what tipped you off to that?
Maybe the fact that SCO is headquartered there?
Ownership of Proof (Score:5, Insightful)
Oxenhielm responded to the criticism by saying that the journal that accepted her work, which now owns the copyright, is responsible for any errors. More information on this weblog."
Proofs come, and proofs go. Proof are submitted and withdrawn. Whether she's right or wrong is interesting, but as a mathematician, this line really incites me.
Why should journals and publication houses own the copyrights to proofs? Once something is proven it isn't something internal anymore - it becomes a part of the public body of mathematical knowledge.
I often complain about restrictive software copyrights, but with all the great free software available, that's not much of a detriment. The unavailability of critical mathemaical writings really is.
I study a lot of math on my own - there isn't much of an undergraduate market for the areas of math that I'm into, especially at my university. When publication houses hold the copyrights on books, they'd rather sit on them and drive prices up then see them published.
Many results that have shaken the math world to its core are only available in original printings, on the used book market. They often cost many hundreds of dollars, when they haven't all been purchased by university libraries.
So instead of being able to find paperback copies of important works by people like Cohen, Godel, and Tarski, I'm forced to fight with other readers over the single copies available in my school's library.
I hate the profit motive.
Whether she's right or wrong... (Score:2, Interesting)
Math? Blech (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://www.ferion.net/ | Last Journal: Monday May 06 2002, @02:16AM)
Here's an idea for Dell... (Score:4, Insightful)
FAT Patents (Score:2, Informative)
(http://www.certsoft.com/)
So Elin Oxenhielm isn't any good at figurin' (Score:2)
But what matters is that she is good at lovin'
The Governator (Score:4, Funny)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Sunday September 09, @10:43PM)
Apparently, Arnold want to be the only genetically modified organism in California...
RE: eMachines. Depends -- like everything (Score:2, Informative)
What do you need? What will it cost you?
I set up an uncompressed Knoppix on a dual-boot for an eMachine dial-up user new to linux. Didn't go badly. 64 meg video was OK. Response was OK. There was a proprietary modem driver available with a crippled demo download that installed fine. If you just need a computer and can get a good price, I wouldn't knock it.
Incorrect PowerPC/M$ story (Score:1)
Check out the link. The above comment has nothing to do with open chip cores. While it may be a simple error by a non- hardware person the unnecessary mention of M$, which normally has little to do with PowerPC's, suggests an M$ astroturfer/troll in action.
The link shows nothing more than a high level chip diagram. This has nothing to do with open chip designs.
---
Astroturfers are scum
Author's responsibility (Score:5, Informative)
eMachines T6000 is now in my hands (Score:4, Interesting)
After reading the original story, I tracked down the bestbuy.com page for it, and it said that they had pickup service for this specific item at the local best buy. I called them up and spent about a half hour on the phone while they tracked them down. Turns out they didn't even have them on the floor yet.
I hopped in the car and drove down. Turns out they had 5 in, and I was buying the first one. Nifty. I literally just got back about 10 minutes ago and have just plugged it in, so I don't have much of a review yet, except for this: the 32-bit Windows XP Home that was preloaded took a little under 4 seconds to go from the end of the computer's POST to a start menu.
20:58 <@xi> that is pretty fast
20:59 <@xi> now imagine how fast a *real* OS will boot
I am currently downloading the gentoo amd64 livecd.
on Oxenhielm's paper (Score:5, Informative)
The second part of Hilbert's 16th problem deals with limit cycles, the way things will go on eventually in dynamical systems if they are not disturbed externally. The subproblem 2/3 of this problem (it's the indexing that makes math complicated..) asks if there exists an upper bound on the number of different limit cycles one can have in the system.
Oxenhielm attacks the problem by considering first a special case called the Lienard equation and approximating its solution by harmonic oscillation. The proof begins: "Noticing that the state variable x of the Lienard equation (1) behaves approximately like a sine function in simulations (see Fig.1),we assume -- in order to make a good approximation of x -- that both state variables are dominated by a harmonic term
Now, to my engineer's eyes, the functions in Fig.1 seem more like triangular waves, with definitely more than one single frequency component. Yet the accuracy of the approximation has not been considered at all in the paper. Also, 'proof by looking at results of simulations' is not really valid if you don't have any other evidence.
Another bad part is on page 6, where it is claimed that "Note that the method of describing functions may be used in a similar manner as in the proof above,to find the upper bounds for the Hilbert number in any planar polynomial vectorfield. Thus, it is possible to completely solve the second part of Hilbert's 16th problem by using this approach."
Wait a minute, how did that happen? What if the harmonic approximation fails on other than Lienard equations? It might just work, I have no idea, but this assertment hardly proves the fact.
Note however that this is very different from Andrew Wiles' proof of the Fermat conjencture. While very few people in the world could understand the odd-hundred pages of Wiles' proof, Oxenhielm's paper is just eight pages of much more accessible mathematics.
But I have a paper in the review process myself, and sure as hell would hate to see nonqualified people discussing its validity publicly, so maybe I'll just shut up now
hilbert's (Score:2)
I would have to say that this was personally first problem with Hilbert's, but it was such a large problem that I will never order food from them again.
Hmmm... (Score:1)
(http://chaoticset.perlmonk.org/)
I mean, that sort of thing has happened before [nyu.edu].
But she's a Geek-Chick (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Monday March 01 2004, @11:39PM)
Andrew Wiles (Score:2)
(http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=sircrayons)
Re:Why UTOPIA? (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://mailinator.net/ | Last Journal: Tuesday December 06 2005, @05:55PM)