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AOL Blocks Links from LiveJournal

Posted by michael on Fri Aug 29, 2003 05:45 PM
from the clue-not-found dept.
Evan Martin writes "LiveJournal.com is an open-source weblog site with over a million users, some of whom use AOL. Last week, AOL began blocking all HTTP requests with "www.livejournal.com" Referer headers. This is a common practice by image hosting sites to prevent off-site linking of their images and 'bandwidth theft'. However, in AOL's case, they're blocking everything, not just images, effectively breaking all links to any AOL member's site--but only from LiveJournal. To be clear: nobody on LiveJournal can even make a link to any AOL member site without getting a '404 Not Found' error. We've also heard reports of the same thing happening on AOL properties (Netscape, Compuserve). This concerns us because we have to deal with the support requests: it worked in the past for our users, and it continues to work for other sites, so our users think it's our fault."

Martin continues: "We've tried to contact AOL three different ways, all without success. We've also told our users to contact their tech support. At one point, an AOL staffer pointed out that FTP access still worked (which is probably because FTP has no "Referrer" concept), and so, as an interim fix, we're rewriting all HTTP URLs to use FTP on the AOL properties where that works instead. This means that users can again host their images on the AOL webspace they're paying for, but more importantly, it means they can simply link to their webpage.

We wouldn't be so upset if they were simply blocking images. Bandwidth use is a valid concern, after all, and we even provide step-by-step instructions for people to configure their webservers to prevent image "theft". However, because they're blocking all access, including regular links, this looks like it's either a mistake, or something more insidious (the conspiracy theorists have pointed out that AOL has just launched their own competing weblog product, also based on "journals").

Although CI Host sued AOL recently for being blocked, we really don't want to do that. We still suspect that this was all just a mistake, and hopefully, by making this public, we'll manage to get their attention, since all our previous attempts have failed."

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  • F12 (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2003, @05:47PM (#6829324)
    Enable referrer logging
    • Re:F12 (Score:5, Informative)

      by Nasarius (593729) on Friday August 29 2003, @05:48PM (#6829337)
      Gotta love Opera :)
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:F12 (Score:4, Insightful)

        by randyest (589159) on Friday August 29 2003, @06:02PM (#6829430)
        (http://randyrandy.net/)
        Well, if I were an AOL user right now (quite a stretch to imagine, I'm afraid), I'd be loving to check my contract to see if it provides for such limitations on user personal space. If not, I'd call to complain (I'd probably do that anyway, right before I called my new ISP). I know that my cable modem "free" hosted space included has a very specific contract that limits the monthly bandwidth usage, but does not mention anything about blocking access for links or clicks from other domains. I wouldn't be happy if they suddenly started returning 404 Page Not Found errors when anyone linked or clicked from foo.com.

        Maybe they can claim technical difficulties if called on it, or maybe the contract does let them yank their users around like this. I don't know. Does anyone here use AOL and will admit it long enogh to post a link or copy of the appropriate contract?

        Of course, there's the tinfoil-hat theory that AOL is planning to start thier own blogging service and wants to drag LiveJournal down from it's #1 spot a bit. Seems like a particularly blatant and non-clever way to do this though, or maybe that's the "beauty" of the whole ingenious plot? ;)

        Finally, I'm going to hope the /. editors checked this out somehow. I don't have AOL space. Can anyone else verify this is true and not just some EBKAC or hoax?
        [ Parent ]
        • Re:F12 by Jouster (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:05PM
          • Re:F12 by Martin Blank (Score:3) Saturday August 30 2003, @10:21PM
        • Re:F12 by kamakot (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @10:13PM
        • Re:F12 by nyseal (Score:1) Saturday August 30 2003, @09:24AM
          • Re:F12 by OhioJoe (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @01:06PM
          • Re:F12 by jcast (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @02:11PM
        • If you are an AOL user, call anyway. by Gumber (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @10:49AM
        • Re:F12 by Echnin (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @01:02PM
          • Re:F12 by randyest (Score:1) Saturday August 30 2003, @02:38PM
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    • I, for one... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2003, @06:24PM (#6829587)
      ...welcome our new AOL overlords.

      I'm getting a ritual circumcision as required by AOL CEO Levin as we speakKKKKALRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
      [ Parent ]
    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2003, @09:30PM (#6830631)
      I don't have a problem with <obligatoryDerisiveness> AOhelL </obligatoryDerisiveness> preventing people from leeching images from their site, but there's a simple way to get around their prevention of direct links to their site: redirect using a META tag, which strips the referer header and makes it look like a direct request.

      For example:

      If you want to link from livejournal.com/myPage1.html to members.aol.com/~myOtherPage.html, then make the link go to livejournal.com/myPage2.html ..... in the header of myPage2.html, include this meta tag:

      <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=http://members.aol.com/~myOtherPage.html">

      It works accross all browsers and appears to AOL as if somebody just typed that URL directly into the address bar of their browser.
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2003, @05:48PM (#6829328)
    It's optional, so browsers don't need to send it. Mozilla/Firebird/etc (and Opera) can be easily modified to not send one, and the Google Toolbar could probably support blocking them, too (since IE isn't being updated). AOL is a big enough presence that this could have a significant impact on peoples' browsing.
  • hopefully (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jellomizer (103300) on Friday August 29 2003, @05:48PM (#6829331)
    (http://tsfraser.googlepages.com/index.html)
    Hopefully this is a temporary block giving them enough time to increase their bandwidth to the correct systems. And right now they are blocking everything so they can come up with a game plan.
    • Re:hopefully (Score:5, Interesting)

      by EvilStein (414640) <spam@nOspAm.pbp.net> on Friday August 29 2003, @06:19PM (#6829555)
      (http://www.pbp.net/)
      Heh. Uh, AOL has more than enough bandwidth to handle freekin *livejournal linkage*....

      When I worked there (Netscape), we had 5 OC-48s in our building alone. OC-12s & DS-3 circuits for "redundancy."

      I highly doubt that it has anything to do with bandwidth.
      [ Parent ]
    • sure (Score:4, Interesting)

      AOL invented blanket blocking. I'm blocked from their SMTP server, and I've heard several different justifications for it.

      I suspect that they are like SCO, in that no one with any self respect or knowledge will work for them. The first time I complained about being blocked, they replied that no one there knew how to allow a server on a "dynamic" subnet. (Dynamic my shiny metal ass.) Later, I heard that no one knew how to allow one ip address while blocking the rest of the subnet. As a result, I'm being accused of the half a billion pieces of spam my ISP's other customers send to AOL.

      Let's hope that broadband finally kills those bastards off. I hope their stock falls so much in value that they start using outstanding shares as toilet paper. (I'd pay to use it as toilet paper, but they want a lot more than it's worth...)
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:sure by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @08:05PM
        • AC? by SHEENmaster (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @12:16PM
      • Re:sure by dtfinch (Score:3) Saturday August 30 2003, @01:37AM
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    • Re:hopefully by Stephen Samuel (Score:3) Friday August 29 2003, @08:19PM
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  • Litigate by Bruha (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @05:48PM
  • Good. (Score:4, Funny)

    by Genghis Troll (158585) on Friday August 29 2003, @05:49PM (#6829344)
    (http://www.coldsiberia.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday November 13 2001, @05:00PM)
    Anything that discourages "blogging" can't be all bad.
  • AOL and Blogs (Score:5, Insightful)

    by zangdesign (462534) on Friday August 29 2003, @05:50PM (#6829347)
    (Last Journal: Thursday April 21 2005, @12:15PM)
    Actually, you may want to investigate whether or not AOL has gone live with their blog offering ( article here [washingtonpost.com]). If so, it may be viewed as an intentional act.

  • tinyurl? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Wavicle (181176) on Friday August 29 2003, @05:50PM (#6829351)
    Could you get around this using tinyurl [tinyurl.com]? I'm not sure if it changes the HTTP_REFERRER or not.
    • Re:tinyurl? (Score:4, Informative)

      TinyURL uses a Location: header, which should kill off the referer, yes. But asking everyone to TinyURL their images is a bit much, don't you think? Besides, some browsers don't like having 3XX statuses (stati?) as replies to their image requests, so you'd break some people.

      AOL just needs to stop doing that shit. Clamp down on the people transferring 200 gigs in the exhibitionism-community-of-the-week, and leave everyone else alone.

      Jouster (My LJ [livejournal.com])
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:tinyurl? by bhtooefr (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:26PM
        • Re:tinyurl? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @07:50PM
    • Re:tinyurl? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Chmarr (18662) on Friday August 29 2003, @06:04PM (#6829453)
      It TOTALLY depends on the browser you're using.

      If you're on web page A, click on a link to B and it redirects to C, some browsers will, when fetching C, have a referrer of A, and some will have a referrer of B.
      [ Parent ]
      • tjek.nu by Daath (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @07:42PM
      • Re:tinyurl? by lspd (Score:3) Friday August 29 2003, @07:53PM
    • Re:tinyurl? by bhtooefr (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:24PM
      • Re:tinyurl? by ncc74656 (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @10:29PM
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    • Re:tinyurl? by Wavicle (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:02PM
      • Re:tinyurl? by Coke in a Can (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:28PM
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  • Well played... (Score:5, Insightful)

    This is a really level-headed, well played move on LJ's part - primarily because they're following the universal principle of assuming stupidity before malice. ;)
  • Scary image by ded_guy (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @05:52PM
    • Re:Scary image by HyperLemur (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @11:33PM
    • Re:Scary image by ralphus (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @04:59AM
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  • Sorta related (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Tyler Eaves (344284) on Friday August 29 2003, @05:53PM (#6829370)
    (http://www.cg2.org/)
    Any else noticed that members.aol.com is sending an invalid content-type header?

    I've seen iso8859 and text/iso8859-html, neither of which Firebird likes...
  • Use link referers (Score:4, Informative)

    by EDA Wizard (2225) on Friday August 29 2003, @05:53PM (#6829375)
    (http://www.diaperdevil.com/)
    Until this mess gets sorted out, people should use a free link relocator service. Make A Shorter Link [makeashorterlink.com] would work well for links to AOL pages.

    It wouldn't help people with embedded links to images at AOL, but at least it could get people to AOL without any additional clicking.

  • They block slashdot too. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2003, @05:54PM (#6829383)
    Well not the whole AOL network, but the former mozilla division blocked links from slashdot (and still does), (Example [mozilla.org]). Any sites that cause major bandwidth use should be blocked, I'm sure some frequest slashdotters get the infamous Pink page of death.
  • Solution: (Score:4, Informative)

    by WCMI92 (592436) on Friday August 29 2003, @05:54PM (#6829384)
    (http://wcmi.myftp.org/)
    Don't use an ISP that is "broken". AOL has little to recommend it.

    I use Adelphia PowerLink at home. On the road, I have a dial up account with a local ISP with dial up numbers in the cities I frequently have to visit.
    • Re:Solution: by Mage Powers (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:26PM
    • Re:Solution: (Score:4, Insightful)

      by carsont (648940) <tc+slashdotNO@SPAMjc.dsl.telerama.com> on Friday August 29 2003, @07:01PM (#6829790)
      Don't use an ISP that is "broken". AOL has little to recommend it.


      Well, for one thing, AOL has been "broken" in many ways for many years, and yet they still have an enormous and loyal user base. So does Windows, for that matter.

      The problem is that for the average AOL user, who to put it bluntly is probably both too stupid to figure this out on their own and too lazy to read LiveJournal's explanation, it will appear just as likely that LiveJournal is "broken", not AOL. They will squeal "OMG WTF IT DONT WORK!!!!!1!!!11!!! :-(" and leap into the open arms of AOL's competing service. Whether or not AOL planned it this way is irrelevant.

      This is how the fragile and complex interoperability between pieces of computer software, which is opaque to most users, can subvert the workings of the free marketplace; if company A sabotages their product so that it won't work with company B's product, it is easy for customers to be fooled into blaming company B.

      Microsoft did this with their implementation of Java, and probably many other times. I doubt if this is some deliberate strategy on AOL's part, but the result will probably be the same regardless.
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Solution: by seasleepy (Score:1) Saturday August 30 2003, @01:37AM
        • Re:Solution: by teshiron (Score:1) Tuesday September 02 2003, @08:43PM
      • the average idiot by epine (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @12:22PM
  • Why is it... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pongo000 (97357) on Friday August 29 2003, @05:54PM (#6829386)
    ...that people bend over backwards to accomodate companies with draconian policies like AOL? If I were running an ISP, the loss of a few customers because they suddenly discovered they could no longer send e-mail to AOL customers through no fault of my own would most likely be offset by new customers who understand that the earth does not revolve around AOL. So they're blocking incoming HTTP traffic based on referrer? Are there not more pressing problems to attend to rather than trying to please the AOL gods?

    I'm not saying AOL is in the right. I'm simply saying that AOL (and companies like them) should be made to lie in the bed they make for themselves. Only when AOL customers start to be inconvenienced by AOL's own policies (rather than third parties patching together "workarounds" in a misguided attempt to protect the integrity of AOL) will they realize what AOL is up to...
  • mail as well? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by m0i (192134) on Friday August 29 2003, @05:54PM (#6829387)
    (http://www.zone-h.org/defacements/onhold)
    "And now we have a request from an AOL user that suddenly they stopped getting LJ emails. They say AOL did just add some new spam filters, so that may relate.

    It almost makes you think that they don't like us..."
    AOLers are only getting sanitized Internet to the company's liking... Those who are not happy should switch.
  • Seriously - they wonder why they get such a bad rap from the internet community at large. Most likey what has happend is that "Upper Management" made the decision to do it for some reason (although the journal conspiracy sounds quite probable), and they did't bother to ask the "real staff" what kind of an impact it would have. Now, once again, they've managed to piss a whole lot of people off. Makes you wonder what else they've blocked (censored) that thier users don't know about. I've heard rumblings on NANOG that they are trying to whitelist thier email too. There's a bright idea - a customer base the size AOL has, and their gonna whitelist mailservers. and my cutsomers wonder why I get ready to slap them when they suggest using AOL for a provider.

  • That's wrong of AOL, but if you're a LiveJournal user in a bind and really want to fix the links (but nothing else) fast, here's a JavaScript that you can load in all of your pages. You just need to load it once, and the page will work.

    Unfortunately, this trick really only works with MSIE. But it's better than nothing.
    <script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="http://www.martin-studio.com/js_tools/strip_r eferrer.js"></script>
    The above should all be on one line. Check for extra white space where the line feed got placed by Slashdot's bug (thanks alot).

    It should be strip_referrer.js with no space. Why does Slashdot do that??
  • ...on usage of the customer webspace? Does it have to be a full site, or can it be a storage place for images/files linked to from another site? Consumers are paying for the AOL service, and getting AOL webspace as part of the deal - are there limitations on its utilization?
  • Who by RevSmiley (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:00PM
  • Easy to solve by tuxlove (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:00PM
  • Wait... by cybermace5 (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:00PM
  • for the better by kv9 (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:04PM
  • Referrer Header (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Mrs. Grundy (680212) on Friday August 29 2003, @06:05PM (#6829460)
    (http://www.pheed.com/)
    I, for one, like the referer heading. It is useful to see where traffic is coming from and it really stinks that AOL is going to encourage people to mess with it, remove it, or spoof it. This will be the ONLY result of AOL's action. They may get a short break from livejournal links but people will work around it. The internet is about linking after all. If AOL want's to invent their own thing with their own rules they should make their own little private net like they used to have and they can remain one tight, happy, cloistered little clique. Of course if the referer header becomes useless maybe it would be a good opportunity to fix one of the most influential spelling errors in recent time and start using the refeRRer header instead.
  • AOL blows by destiney (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:06PM
    • Re:AOL blows by jcast (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @03:00PM
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  • anonymyzer by WindBourne (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:06PM
    • Re:anonymyzer by joFFeman (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:42PM
    • Re:anonymyzer by PReDiToR (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @07:02PM
  • Common Decency Dictates.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Plix (204304) on Friday August 29 2003, @06:06PM (#6829469)
    (http://www.plix.org/)
    That should AOL continue to block deep-linking (which they have the right to do so assuming that there is no contradictory clause in a user's contract) they should at least redirect users to a page explaining what is actually going on rather than leaving them to complain to LJ support.
  • Leave it to AOL... by TheHawke (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:06PM
  • Bounce through a third party! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2003, @06:11PM (#6829497)
    A lot of websites let you bounce to other sites. Here are some demonstations

    Debian link to aol.com [debian.org]
    Yahoo link to aol.com [yahoo.com]
    Google link to aol.com [google.com]
    Goatse link (yes, its true, goatse is useful!) to aol.com [goatse.cx]

    Hopefully, unless AOL wants to block the internet off, people will get around, and we can always set up p2p based redirection system (ala freenet). To get trough.
  • I keep having to tell people .... by bizitch (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:12PM
  • Company People (Score:4, Interesting)

    by philipkd (528838) on Friday August 29 2003, @06:12PM (#6829501)
    (http://www.philosophistry.com/)
    Why can't we treat companies like people? If a friend of your group all of a sudden has all this money, but abuses it by playing little Napoleon, why can't you treat him with disrespect and ostracize him?

    When AOL needed help setting up their blogging software, who did they talk to? People like Dave Winer and other members of the net community.

    So shouldn't there be some sort of Karma here where we, the blogging community, ostracize a bad player. They do it to spammers all the time, why not to the big guys. They'll eventually realize that it's not profitable to do so, and conform.

    We could choose to disallow AOL urls into weblogs. We could prevent anybody with an AOL account having an RSS feed to a Blogger or LiveJournal. We could ban them from our conferences. Sounds like we're being assholes or "closed" by doing so, but I think it's important for people to check the bully to in the long-term enable the most openess possible.

  • Friends don't let Friends do AOL by Exousia (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:18PM
  • geocities does same thing by linuxislandsucks (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:18PM
  • Idea. by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:27PM
  • by adpowers (153922) on Friday August 29 2003, @06:30PM (#6829629)
    I just blocked all AOL users from accessing my website. I am considering blocking incoming mail from AOL users, but I have to talk it over with my users first. If AOL will block internet hosts willy-nilly (they blocked me because I'm on a dynamic connection), then I might as well block them too.
  • Update by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:34PM
  • All hail Proxomitron! (Score:4, Informative)

    by mad_dog3283 (585389) on Friday August 29 2003, @06:36PM (#6829661)
    Stupidity like this won't affect me at all. I use the Proxomitron [proxomitron.info], and I have the referrer field set to \u (which I think is the default setting). \u inserts the current URL into the referrer field. So, for example, if I hit a link on www.slashdot.org/foo.htm to www.aol.com/foo.htm, the Proxomitron will send www.aol.com/foo.htm and not www.slashdot.org/foo.htm to the server. This is especially helpful for sites that return 404's to requests with blank referrers (since the server always thinks the request is coming from its domain when in reality it may not be.)
  • HEH. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Gnea (2566) on Friday August 29 2003, @06:43PM (#6829703)
    (http://gnea.net/)
    Am I the only one here that remembers AOL from back in the day? I'm talking 1994 here. Had it for a month, then they cancelled my account behind my back with no prior warning because i downloaded too much stuff. Back then, all they had was email. Now AOL is getting all restrictive again. This doesn't surprize me too much, but it'd be nice if they would keep the 'net a friendly place. I guess the current neophytes have prevented such action.
    • Re:HEH. by jcast (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @03:03PM
  • Simple.. by adeyadey (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:46PM
  • Preventing a slashdotting (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Kallahar (227430) <kallahar@quickwired.com> on Friday August 29 2003, @06:52PM (#6829747)
    (http://quickwired.com/)
    I believe sites that have been slashdotted in the past have done this same thing to prevent their server from getting flooded. I think it's AOL's right to do this, they don't want livejournal linking to them. The polite thing to do would be to say why in the error page though, not just give a 404.

    On a technical note, you can set up a page with a META Refresh which will clear the referrer (a HTTP server transfer will keep the original referrer intact though)
  • On another note... by Solokron (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:54PM
  • I don't blame AOL by timestocome (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:55PM
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  • I'm all for freedom but... by zippity8 (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @06:56PM
  • Has it blocked deadjournal and blurty? by Peterus7 (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @06:58PM
  • Oh boy. by SubKamran (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @07:10PM
  • There may be method to this madness... by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @07:17PM
  • Closed AOL? by synergy3000 (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @08:13PM
  • this may be repetitive...... by Indy1 (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @08:13PM
  • Download this little program... by poofmeisterp (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @08:14PM
  • Leave them feedback (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BrynM (217883) * on Friday August 29 2003, @08:39PM (#6830401)
    (http://www.brynmosher.com/ | Last Journal: Monday August 27, @10:15PM)
    You can leave them feedback regarding this decision at the AOL Feedback Page [aol.com]. Let them know that this decision will impact more than they expect it will and that you are disappointed with their actions. You don't have to be a customer. Most of us are technology experts who have influence on their potential and existing customer base. I've included my submission as an example, but please write your own.
    I find it disappointing that you are blocking content linked from such a popular site as LiveJournal based on referrer headers (see this slashdot discussion: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/29/205724 2&mode=thread&tid=120&tid=187&tid=96&tid=9 9). I have recommended your services in the past, but that will stop now. Further, I will inform AOL customers whom I have recommended AOL to that their content is not available to sites that AOL seems to disapprove of for no stated reason.

    Changing your policy regarding this may defer my judgement about your "service", but your reputation has been irrecoverably tarnished in my view. Additionally your subsidaries, such as Netscape, will no longer be recommended by me.

    You may be thinking "Who cares? This is someone who isn't even our customer", but I have become the technology "guru" for over 100 people in my personal life and have input on technology decisions at my workplace. What should worry you is that for every peice of feedback you recieve like mine, there are hundreds of technologically literate people who will simply downplay or berate your services and will not do you the professional courtesy of informing you.

    Formerly Respectfully Yours,
    BrynM

  • Quick solution by dtfinch (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @09:34PM
  • AOL offers "Complete Internet Access" by flyboy974 (Score:2) Friday August 29 2003, @09:54PM
  • Here's An Idea.. by Kneo24 (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @10:14PM
  • AOL alternatives? by careysb (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @10:15PM
    • www.google.com by caffeineHacker (Score:1) Friday August 29 2003, @11:41PM
  • You've Got Blog (Score:4, Funny)

    My, undereducated guess is that AOL's done this because they have their own homogenated, cuticized, totally non-open-slammed-shut, AOL blogs. Yes, folks! According to their information:

    "Everyone has a story to tell; what's yours? Create an AOL Journal about your summer vacation, being pregnant or trying to find a new job. AOL makes it easy, fast and fun!"
    "Get Started Today
    Create a Journal
    Build your own blog
    with our cool tools. "

    It's all right there. I didn't have the heart to actually check out the blogs.

    What do we need with an open-source, customizable system like LJ's, complete with lively, growing user communities? Who needs software that might foster an actual original thought? Interacting with strangers is so...icky! We can pay lots of money instead to record our sanitized inmost feelings on the AOL version.

    They're probably staying awake nights figuring out how to block links from independent systems like Moveable Type. Could Slashdot be far behind?

    Anne
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  • LiveJournal Wrote a Workaround!! by ibjhb (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @12:25AM
  • Bloggers ate my samwich (Score:3, Interesting)

    by kobotronic (240246) on Saturday August 30 2003, @04:20AM (#6831884)
    (http://www.kobotica.com/)
    Really, I can't say I'm surprised that AOL would want to block image inline image traffic from blog sites, as that shit eats your bandwidth like nobody's business.

    I "run" a (dormant) photo website on a commercial hosting service. I pay about twenty bucks a month for the diskspace and capped bandwidth - a reasonable amount, I think, which allows me to serve my users without garish adbanner detritus.

    The ordinary site traffic is reasonably stable and keeps well below my bandwidth cap, but parasitic inline traffic comes on top of that, drawing close to redline.

    I'm very seriously considering blocking livejournal and any other blog site I can think of, as their users frequently inline my images, eating a little of my bandwidth each time one of their blog pages are loaded. I have some car photos which about fifty retarded pimply teens have inlined on their pages for apparently decorative purposes.

    I'm much too busy to go out and chase down every offender, but at the same time I've been reluctant to activate a simple block rule to get rid of the inline traffic once and for all. I guess I should follow AOL's example, eh?

  • Workaround? by babbage (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @08:48AM
  • Poor AOL by NSupremo (Score:1) Saturday August 30 2003, @10:28AM
  • I see a couple of interesting things... by lazlo (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @11:53AM
  • A question remains by dacarr (Score:2) Saturday August 30 2003, @12:00PM
  • How would AOL react by phorm (Score:2) Tuesday September 02 2003, @12:29PM
  • Cheapasses is right. You get what you pay for, and if you're paying for impossible things, you should beware the catch. There is no such thing as unlimited bandwidth, or unlimited space...merely limits that you haven't hit yet.

    A t1 line is still over $700 per month, so burstable bandwidth starts at more than $2 per gigabyte. People who are on better pipes pay way less, of course, but then again they need to maintain them, and technicians start at about $25 per hour. Servers need to be powered, backed up and maintained to prevent hackattacks. So when somebody offers you unlimited bandwidth, unlimited space, unlimited email with 24x7 support for a pretty number like $7.77 or $5.55 or whatever, they're basically lying to you.

    Check your AUP. Somewhere in there you'll find a line saying that your unlimited bandwidth can be terminated at any time if you use too much of it. Unlimited really means "We're not telling you the limits. But you'll know when you hit them." Generally because your site takes off. You get popular, people start laughing at your jokes and caring about your weblog. Then your provider cuts the cord. Sucks, don't it?

    See, ISPs at all levels make money by overselling. They tell you you have a T1, when really it's fractional. They tell you you have 256 kbit upstream, then it maxes at 192. The most egregious example of this is the El-Cheapo webhost, an animal I despised so much that I started my own crummy service [webslum.org] to combat it. If you have the know-how, and you have the time, I suggest you do the same. It can be a lot of fun and offsets the cost of big web projects [dasmegabyte.org]. Just don't harbor any dreams of getting stinko rich.

    I remember the first time I had a site get "overnight popular." It was a certain web comic [somethingpositive.net] that we begged to come on board. In about two weeks ge went from moving 2 gig a month to over 50. And because we small timers get the short end of the bandwidth stick, his bill was about $200. Not his bill FROM us, but the bill TO us from our host for just his transfer. We didn't mark it up. That's a lot of money when you're a hobbiest. Shit, that was as much as we paid for everybody else's bandwidth that month.

    We have a policy of not touching people's sites or restricting tranfer, but if we hadn't known the guy (and known he was good for the money, which his new fans donated in droves, we even threw in $30), we probably would have had to use the "no contract" clause and take the site offline. Damned if I'm paying for somebody else's popularity...
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  • Re:Sure, block AOL. by beezly (Score:1) Saturday August 30 2003, @07:08AM
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