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Dialtones - A Telesymphony 203

Posted by michael from the hi-kymah-andronis dept.
1337g writes "For once there's a use for those annoying ringing mobile phones during a concert. The entire Dialtones concert was performed by the ringing of the audience's mobile phones. The site shows how they pulled it off, and even gives a few samples of the concert."
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  • Yeah, but did they play... (Score:5, Funny)

    by vought ( 160908 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @09:46PM (#4378258)
    867-5309?
    • That's a local number for me. In high school, One of the student teachers told us that some of his college buddies had that number and kept getting prank calls until they changed the number.
    • I feel silly for saying this, but what's the joke?

    • instructions how to rip the video stream tsarkon (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Don't forget to rip the content off the site! There is a Real Media stream, 54MB long, of this telephone symphony.

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      Just an FYI, the music kind of sucks. Does anyone know what the fuck they were trying to play? It sounds like a bunch of crickets and crap. If I had to sit through this I would have died of boredom.

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    • Gee thanks, now it'll be 3 days before i can get than damned tune out of my head ;-{

  • I was there... (Score:5, Funny)

    by tunah ( 530328 ) <sam AT krayup DOT com> on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @09:48PM (#4378271) Homepage
    I was really looking forward to it. Just as they were about to start, some moron's cell phone rang in one of those annoying musical ringtones.

    This behaviour has got to stop. Do what I did - walk out and demand your money back.

  • As if we needed any more evidence that some people have too much time on their hands... As least they showed some ingenuity in turning a major annoyance into an art form. What's next, an gallery of spam art?
    • There already is spam art!!!! http://google.blogspace.com/archives/000458.html

    • Witness this Andy Warhol classic. [tigtail.org] Or how about this creative abuse of Google's search-term highlight facility? [google.com]

      Or did you mean email [toegristle.com] spam? [mit.edu]

      What's interesting is that these SPAM and spam art links are very similar in overall concept to the cellphone ringer art -- take some banal aspect of modern existance and extrapolate some artistic absurdity from it. I love it!

      --Joe
    • I don't know that I consider artwork to really be too much time on someone's hands any more than I do the fact that I wipe all the OS's off my computer every couple months just because I get bored with my install and want to try something different.
      Sure, by installing different OS's, I'm learning a heck of a lot about computers (even if it is taking valuable time away from my engineering classes), but on the other hand, I bet these guys learned a heck of a lot by doing that, too.

      To each his own, I say. If that sort of this is what makes 'em happy who cares if anyone else finds it interesting. Besides, I must admit that some of what I heard was pretty cool, even if it was coming out of a cell phone ringer, which I usually consider the most annoying thing on the planet.
  • What happens when a person listening has their cell phone go off, but it is set to vibrate? Is that their cue to say, "chirp-chirp"?

    I wish they'd make cell phones with little bells in them, so they could sound like phones did 25 years ago. Those bells are much more pleasent than today's "chirp-chirp"!

    • What happens when a person listening has their cell phone go off, but it is set to vibrate?

      Hey, they could use vibrate mode for the bass! ^o^

      They should make a mobile phone with both a speaker and a transducer, one you could download .wav files to. If you want vibrate mode, use a .wav with nothing but low-frequency noise. If you want realistic-sounding bell tones, that would work, too.

      How about it, Nokia?

  • Whoah...cool stuff (Score:3, Informative)

    by Tyler Eaves ( 344284 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @09:51PM (#4378280)
    There are some MP3s on the site (Holding up so far..)

    This is actual music. It contains actual melodic lines and stuff. Neat.

  • This is the first ... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Raiford ( 599622 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @09:53PM (#4378284) Journal
    ... phone song since My Ding-a-Ling, my ding-a-ling, I want you to play with my ding-a-ling --Chuck Berry

  • thats all fine and good... (Score:5, Funny)

    by intermodal ( 534361 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @09:54PM (#4378287) Homepage Journal
    as long as it was done after 7pm on a weekday or on the weekend...otherwise all the people who were roaming to see the concert were screwed...
    • Actually, just having a phone ring doesn't charge the person even a nickel, it's only when a person accepts a call does the cellular carrier charge for the call (even on roam).

      So, bring on the "music"! I bet this could be done on a streetcorner or something and it would freak some people out.

  • Irony? (Score:5, Funny)

    by vicviper ( 140480 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @09:55PM (#4378295)
    I've only gotten through the first 2 mp3s on their site, but you can hear someone coughing during the performance...

    "Shut up so I can hear the phone!"

    • Just wait a few years. (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Each member of the audience will inhale nanobots that will trigger coughing at precise moments to produce a coughing concert.
    • Nono... That's someone who has the "man coughing" ringtone installed... The conductor triggered it randomly to add realism.

      But seriously, there were some pretty weird-ass ring tones out there... Anyone else think that as they were listening?

  • If Phillip Reed gets his way... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    they'll be arrested [wired.com].
  • My new cellphone (alcatel 511) has polyphonic ring tones - you get the whole symphony of electronic noise instead of just the beep-beep noise. The only problem (aside from having to do away with my Pinky and the Brain ring tone) is that I never realise it's my phone ringing because it sounds like some electronic toy... I'm conditioned to hear the beep-beep mono instead.

    ah well. Technology 1: Audent 0

  • what happens if.....? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by swg101 ( 571879 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @09:59PM (#4378311)
    What would happen if someone really tried to call you?? Would people get mad if you were talking to someone on you cellphone during a...cellphone concert??

    Weird thoughts ebb and flow in a mind this empty.
  • If you thought hearing one cell phone ring was enough to make you go mad, then you might want to head over to the site and listen to some of the MP3s they have. 20 cell phones going off simultaneously, its enough to make anybody go crazy. It does sound kinda cool tho.

  • Ahh the memories! (Score:5, Funny)

    by peterdaly ( 123554 ) <{petedaly} {at} {ix.netcom.com}> on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @10:00PM (#4378320)
    In high school (years ago for me now), we had a computer lab of about 25 machines. A friend and I got the whole lab to play a song using a simple program, written in either BASIC or Pascal. (I forget which)

    Each machine had and endless loop checking for the existance of a file representing a musical note on a network drive. When found, if assigned to play that note, the machine would play the note until the file disapeared. Each machine was assigned a note. Each note had more than one PC assigned to it around the lab.

    We were able to entertain ourselves, as well as anyone walking through the lab, for at least an hour tinkering with the end resulting music.

    -Pete
    • Ah.. i remember those days at my HS. We wrote BASIC programs what would simulate a valid looking dos prompt then would begin to do an endless loop of playing annoying sounds through the pc speaker..

      Of course we had a count down timer on them so we could get out of the class room and into the hall just in time to have them go off on 30+ machines... Then the teacher would have to reset each machine, great laughs for 15yr old computer geeks.

      • I used to plant this QBASIC program [spatula-city.org] in the labs at school and other unsuspecting machines. It fairly reasonably emulates a good ol' car alarm, and it manages to lock out Ctrl-Alt-Del.

        This was even more fun, because the school had just bought a lab full of machines that had no reset button, and had a dual-stage power off (you had to hit a button on the side, and then the button on the front). Strange AT&T Pentium-60 machines.

        --Joe
    • Great example of some prior art! Now if only we can find some published articles or European examples then we can really nail these... Oh wait a minute, it's not that kind of story...
    • And I thought my nerdy version of "Name That Tune" was off the wall. I'd send my friend Rich a BASIC "PLAY" statement and ask him to guess what tune it was. Then he'd run it, discover it was the "Happy Happy Joy Joy" song and we'd both laugh because we were Ren and Stimpy geeks.

      Ah, memories. That was a nifty hack you did, though.
    • In programming class I tended to get done quite early (geek) and ended up coding custom project. One with a chat-room that half the class ended up using instead of doing work. In version 2 of the program, I added a command to shells users to DOS. It was fun making the PC's run quickbasic progams that played notes in sequence as the prof walked by...
    • (crotchety old fogey voice)

      Sit down around my feet youngsters and let me tell yer a tale of REAL hacking.

      My school's IBM 1130 [kaibab.org] (size of a large desk, power of a pocket calculator) put out so much RF that you could place a transistor radio (Remember those? Nope? Didn't think so) on top of the CPU and when certain combinations of i/o were run would play music from the radio.

      he he he , good old days....

  • I bet at least one person just sat there saying "Would someone turn that damn phone off!"

  • That sounds a lot like the lecture theatres where I study. People just won't switch their phones off, even in spite of big "No cell phones" signs.

    Next time I'm in a lecture I'll try and appreciate the artistic quality of the phones. Though I suspect I'll have a hard time convincing the professor up the front.

  • Note they used Linux on the server that ran the ordeal.
  • Yea, I listened to it for a minute and I have to vote "no" on this one.

  • EM (Score:1)

    by byrd77 ( 171150 )
    A whole bunch of phones in one place, a local transmitter, hundreds, if not thousands of calls per minute...

    Hrm, guess we found another way to research cell phone induced cancer rates...

  • this is cool (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    all you naysaying trolls on this thread ought to listen to a few of the MP3 files. it sounds really neat, and the amount of thought and preparation that went into this performance is impressive. It's hard to do something really new and unique (and relevant) in art or electronic music, and these folks have done it. i look forward to the CD.

  • Stupid guy ruined it (Score:3, Funny)

    by detritus. ( 46421 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @10:29PM (#4378451)
    Listening to the first audio sample on the site, it sounded great until some idiot had to cough and interrupt my enjoyment. It's
    • always
    something!

  • this was a while ago... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by npietraniec ( 519210 ) <npietranNO@SPAMresistive.net> on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @10:31PM (#4378454) Homepage
    This happened a while ago... Not exactly breaking news. I saw Golan Speak in Ann Arbor, MI a few months ago. He did a performance with his visualization studio. If you ever get a chance to see him, he's a pretty cool guy.

  • The last time I checked... (Score:5, Funny)

    by thelinuxking ( 574760 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @10:36PM (#4378483)
    Contrary to what many apparently believe, this isn't the first time cellphones have been used to represent "a symphony". Ever hear a mobile phone play the 1812 overture in the middle of a watching a movie or a play?

    It's actually highly realistic...if the owner of the phone continues to let the it ring for long enough, the sound of gunshots fired by disgruntled moviegoers is just like the sound of cannons being fired in the real song!

  • happy birthday tune. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by mcguyver ( 589810 )
    Here's happy birthday, ;)
    1121321121631196321332121

    I once heard stair way to heaven on the phone - that was back in the day when blue boxing was still around and an exiting friday night meant being on a conference call with 30 other phreaks.

    • Here's happy birthday [...]

      Busted. That's a derivative work of a copyrighted song [cni.org] published by AOL [warnerchappell.com]. Go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

    • 112=International Emergency Number (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Just to point out thar the first 3 notes (112) are the new international standard emergency number.
      Might be a good idea not to try it while the phone is connected to the network.

  • Wow (Score:2)

    by Whelkman ( 58482 )
    Just when I think the limits of chiptunes can't be pressed any farther. Commodore and Amiga fans rejoyce!
  • Of the four tracks available, only tele1530.mp3 sounded like music in my sense. The rest was either modem-connect-tone-ish patterns or the soundtrack to the end of "The Lawnmower Man." But the 1530 track was pretty cool indeed. I'm not sure I would have enjoyed this concert though, very high pitched and rather random from what I can tell.
  • That must have been a pain to get the timing down right. I could have a full signal on my cell and still get "tick...tick....tick...tick" when I try to call someone.

    Makes you wonder if that transceiver wasn't giving everyone a brain tumor.

  • Question... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by cdrj ( 556227 )
    How could they time this properly? I know that there is a relatively long, varying delay between when the phone is dialed, and when the phone eventually rings. Just wondering...

    • Re:Question... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by TheOnlyCoolTim ( 264997 )
      They were running their own cell phone antenna and dialing system inside the building, so nothing was delayed.

      Tim
      • That's not what the technical description on the page says. It says they had a direct link to the local Mobile Switching Centre and that the network operator changed the settings on the base station to allow paging of 60 phones simultaneously.

  • One of the performances was ruined. (Score:5, Funny)

    by nobodyman ( 90587 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @10:55PM (#4378555) Homepage


    I was in the audience and was enjoying quite a bit. However, some woman behind me kept playing her violin.

    On top of that, the first few minutes of the performance caused a panic. Too many people switched their phones in vibrate mode upon entering the theatre (habit, I suppose). The resulting shockwave as the symphony began caused part of the building to collapse.
  • How to tell it's a slow day on Slashdot:

    a) no new Microsoft security holes
    b) a freakin' cell phone concert?!?!
  • I listened to tele2330.mp3 and there is some major bass going on there... i find it hard to believe a cell phone speaker could put that out, so is there any chance this was augmented with other instruments?

  • ...by some guy who had an extra mobile phone that played the "Mission Impossible" Theme half way through... ...And then there were the other's whose phones immediately forwarded to message bank... ...And let's not forget those who had their phones set to vibrate:
    BEEP! BEEP!-BAH! BEEP!-BEEP!-BEEP!-BEEP!-BEEP! bzzzz

  • This is cool (Score:5, Interesting)

    by thanjee ( 263266 ) on Wednesday October 02, 2002 @11:30PM (#4378679) Journal
    Being a computer music composer/researcher, I am just annoyed I didn't think of something like this first!

    This really is an excellent idea. One problem you have with electronic installations and concerts are things like sound spatialization. Some ways musicians combat this is to set up 12 channel sound systems with the speakers distributed around the entire hall so you can hear hear music moving around in a real 3D space, or they use projected speakers to pin-point sound into certain areas. But hey why use your own speakers when most the population carries a speaker in their pocket!

    The performer would have known the phone number for every mobile in the hall, plus he would know the location of each phone. Just imagine a wave of dial tones moving across from one side of the hall to the other, sweeping up and down, pinpointing to one point in the hall, and then spreading out in a random spread across the hall. This really is cool. I wish I was there. You would probably have to experience something like this live to really appreciate it.

    And for anyone who thinks this is weird, you need to get out more often. I have been to concerts where the audience were given bubble wrap, and the piece consisted of the audience popping it - oooh fun!

  • Now I have to listen to Electronic Meditation, Atem and Zeit...
    oh well there goes my night sleep...
    Zombie tomorrow...
  • it made me want to stab myself in the eyes and light my hair on fire

    i feel so much dumber for having seen something on it
  • ...cos their coverage sucks! the concert would be a long moment of silence.
  • 'I am the orchastrator with my pocket calculator'

    Just imagine the fun they could have today ;)

    Natty
  • For every nerd that thinks this is really cool (myself included) - there's a symphony weenie that just shit his pants in disbelief.

    Speaking of the symphony...got a quick little story. I was at the symphony a few months ago in the best seats (other than Loge Boxes). Now I'm not an old guy - in my 20's - so I kind of snicker when I see these two older couples obviously snooping around, and sneaking into the seats next to my date and I. At intermission an usher comes over and kindly asks to see their tickets. It was hilarious seeing these 65+ year old couples, who were obviously loaded, get kicked out of the symphony like they were at some sporting event. Nothing left to do but hang your head in shame and drive home in your $100,000 Mercedes, I guess.

  • sounds familiar (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    This immediately made me think of the "Boom Box" experiments that The Flaming Lips were doing a few years ago -- they would hand out boom boxes and cassettes to 40 or so members of the audience. Each cassette would contain different mixes of the same song. When all 40 tapes were played at the same time it would create a spacial effect, but also the tape players would wobble in and out of sync with each other creating a temporal effect as well. On top of this, the band members would "orchestrate" the piece by signalling people to turn up or down the volume on their tape player. One place to read more about it is here [nyrock.com].

  • Pales to the Parking Lot Experiments (Score:5, Interesting)

    by The-Bus ( 138060 ) on Thursday October 03, 2002 @12:17AM (#4378841)
    Any Flaming Lips [allmusic.com] fans in here?
    A few years ago Flaming Lips frontman Wayne Cohen thought of the "Parking Lot Experiments" -- he created a symphony with each instrument recorded on a single tape. Then he had a group of forty people with cars that had tape players show up to his parking lot and he would "conduct" them.

    Something similar could be found a few years later in the Lips' release of Zaireeka [allmusic.com] a 4-disc set that is meant to be played simultaneously.
    At least that's what popped into my mind when I read this.

  • I'd like to lock those pesky telemarketers to the wall and make them listen to that for a while.


    But, we really know they are all behind it... people giving out their cell phone numbers for a "concert", ha!

    Did anyone tell them to expect a phone call for them to purchase magazines tomorrow, at dinner time?
  • Would he create a musical collage of different cell phone tunes, were he alive today? Like "Three Places in New Englad"?

    It would be cool to get some cell phones all with the same dial tune and try to make a round out of them. Polyphonic Telephonic?

  • It seems... (Score:3, Funny)

    by GospelHead821 ( 466923 ) on Thursday October 03, 2002 @01:47AM (#4379033)
    ...that somebody heard a cellphone ringing and thought "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those."
  • Not to pick nits, but shouldn't it have been called the ringtones concert?

    Better yet, as a piece performed by ringtones, it could just be called a "ringpiece."

  • play some Cage! (Score:3, Funny)

    by salmo ( 224137 ) <mikesalmo @ h o t mail.com> on Thursday October 03, 2002 @02:13AM (#4379098) Homepage Journal
    I dunno about you but I'd love to hear a room full of cellphones play John Cage's 4'33" (4 mins 33 seconds of silence).

    • Re:play some Cage! (Score:2, Interesting)

      by henrikg ( 444714 )
      Well the whole point of the 4:33 piece is to make the listener aware of sounds in the environment, i.e. mostly those made by the audience. So this was in effect a very modern performance of 4:33. I'm sure Cage would have been very pleased.

      Recently there was a band that included a minute of silence on their CD, they have now been sued by Cage's publisher for unauthorized sampling. I kid you not.
      • Recently there was a band that included a minute of silence on their CD, they have now been sued by Cage's publisher for unauthorized sampling. I kid you not.

        Wow, really? Gee, it's not like it was posted on /. or anything. And you neglect to mention that the recording artist in question actually credited Cage as the composer but failed to provide any royalties. It was just asking for it.

  • I totally dug the shimmering effect from the first sound bit.

    That last bit with the amplified vibrating phone cracked me up, though. I kept getting visions of some kind of large animal..., possibly a rhinoceros. The connection to Saint-Saens "Carnival of the Animals" ("Carnival of the Cell Phones"?) is irresistable.

    Anyway, I thought it was a pretty nifty idea. New art is nearly always interesting, if almost never lasting.
  • So do the makers of the mobile phones own the distinctive sounds being made by these phones?

    If this becomes amazingly popular, are they entitled to sue the creators for stealing music?

    How long before other instrument makers start demanding performers pay royalties?

    Digital mdeia is the quantum physics of law.

    Xix.
    • This doesn't count as a "derivative work", as far as I understand copyright law, though IANAL and all that. It's not against copyright law to make a collage of pictures you find in magazines and newspapers. For that matter, it's not copyright infringement to make a sculpture/structure out of a bunch of books, either.


  • I hope that this guys realiase what they just did.

    This is a flagrant violation of copyright. [magnus-opus.com]

  • The examples they have on their site sound terrible.

    It sounded like... a bunch of cell phones all ringing at once. The "solo performances" sounded a *little* better, just to be joined back up again by the mess of all the other noises again.

    I just don't see what is special about making cell phones ring at the same time. Call me cultureless. Or something.

    I was much more impressed by a live set someone did on a 980Khz Commodore 64 at Assembly '02. (You can get all the demos and videos of Asm'02 at scene.org)

  • Dot Matrix symphony (Score:2, Interesting)

    by zoeblade ( 600058 )

    Sounds a lot like the previously reported dot matrix symphony [slashdot.org] a while back. Interesting, but an acquired taste.

  • Ob Joke (Score:2, Funny)

    by cluke ( 30394 )
    Did you hear about the blonde who went to the mobile phone ringtone concert?

    She got kicked out 'cos she kept answering.

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