Slashback: Spambots, Retroism, VoIPhooey 297
Let's find the spamsters and turn them over to Hormel. Neil Gunton writes: "Further to my previous article about stopping Spambots with Apache, Perl, MySQL and ipchains, it appears that the spambots have evolved somewhat. They seem to come in using a search engine to find promising pages, and then spoof the User-Agent field and generally try to behave as much like a real person as possible. Here is an update to my original article. This is something that anyone who runs a website and dislikes spambots should be aware of..."
If I ever have children I might let it go at that. jamie writes: "'If I ever have children,' says Rich Dreher, 'I would want them to see and touch one of the very first 'real' personal computers, not some simulation of an Apple in a window on a Pentium VIII running Windows 2012.' Over the last few months he's put together a CompactFlash/IDE adapter card for the Apple //e and IIgs, and now he's taking orders. The largest hard drive that ProDOS supports, as flash RAM, costs $14! Seeing the card really brought back memories..."
We mentioned this a while ago, before the pressing need of Apple ][ owners was quite so evident.
What's a little $80 million mistake among friends? Sinjun writes: "In what is believed to be one of the first prison sentences given to the creator of a virus, David L. Smith of the infamous Melissa plague recieves 20 months in federal lockup. I would have thought he would recieve more, seeing the massive amount of money lost by corporate America resulting from Melissa. Oh well, this is the precedent that has been set."
Smith should be grateful that his victims weren't allowed to each pluck one hair from his body per Melissa message received.
But what about the GBA? bobbydigitales writes: "A while back someone suggested porting linux to Samsungs GP32 handheld games console. As I own one, I did a bit of 'googling' and found a post from a guy at Samsung about a problem he was having with his linux port to the s3c2400x chip (this constitutes most of the GP32's hardware). It seems he finished his port as he sent me all the patches and instructions needed to compile the kernal for the s3c2400x.
As I dont have any experience porting linux i thought I'd share this information with the world and see if anyone could offer help and/or suggestions on how to proceed. Here are the files and info.
Samsung have completed the following drivers:
- LCD
- Serial
- USB Host (with mouse driver),
- Sound
- Keyboard
- Network (not actually on the GP32 chip)
Things that are missing:
- bootloader,
- SmartMedia Card driver"
I knew I should have ordered a few. Alex Law writes "Only days after Slashdot's article about Creative Labs great deal on VoIP Blasters, it appears that they are no longer in production or available from Creative's web site. Shame; mine arrived yesterday, and we were all quite impressed."
From the Mozilla front: Lots of good reports and an oops.
The good stuff -- reaper20 writes "With 1.0 around the corner, it seems like the folks over at Mozilla.org have their hands full. Between interviews and last minute security bug fixes, it seems like the Mozilla is poised for the big push to 1.0.
David Hyatt brings up the IE Advantage, and the death of user-experince based browsers. Mozilla.org itself has stood firm on some of these marketing driven issues - yet some changes have caused some interesting developments in the Mozilla community. The recent context menu revisions and personal toolbar recommendations by Netscape have caused a bit of controversy. (Bugzilla entries ommitted for obvious reasons)
Recently, the mozilla/browser and Chimera projects have been started to address certain usability problems and the desire for OS X native widgets. With Galeon and other Mozilla derivatives getting better and better, it seems that Mozilla 'proper' will serve as a platform for derivative browsers customized for the target platform.
Lots of standards-compliant clients each tailored to user needs, sounds like what web was originally designed for."
And the oops -- An Anonymous Coward writes: "An Israeli software firm has discovered a flaw in Netscape and Mozilla software that allows code hidden in a Web page to read files from the user's PC. The bug is a more serious variant of one patched in Microsoft's Internet Explorer in February."
Mozilla bug (Score:5, Funny)
Hehe, I find that kinda funny
Re:Mozilla bug (Score:2)
Galeon is apparently a "better performing, less buggy browser", since it isn't affected by this
Re:Mozilla bug (Score:4, Informative)
Also, it has been fixed so future builds will not have this problem. (#141061: added to bugzilla on the 29th, fixed on the 30th, marked as fixed on the 1st)
What's the Mozilla-Netscape flap? (Score:5, Interesting)
Could someone summarize what the story is here? About the only thing that annoys me about the current crop of fresh Mozilla installs is that it keeps changing my default search engine away from Google and back to Netscape.
Schwab
Re:What's the Mozilla-Netscape flap? (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, this was to simplify and shorten the menus, so there are valid arguments for both sides, but personally I like having Back and Forward on all the menus.
Re:What's the Mozilla-Netscape flap? (Score:2)
Ugh, I hate that. . .
I have neglected to visit any violating sites with Mozilla so I do not now if this is a IE only 'MS-HTML' command or what.
Either way it is annoying.
My mouse actualy supports back and forward with two side buttons, bound by default to, err, back and forward, in IE5.x+ in Windows2K+, no need for drivers.
Nifty that, I get to laugh at Opera users with their 'gesture' systems, hehe. Buttons kick gestures asses, and my 9 button mouse rocks.
Re:What's the Mozilla-Netscape flap? (Score:2)
This sounds idiotic. Hopefully, Galeon will fix this.
Re:What's the Mozilla-Netscape flap? (Score:2)
why would they do that? i wonder what the people who are financing the project feel about this....
Collecting spam... (Score:2, Interesting)
Why not pay users to collect e-mail addresses? Just create a 'plugin' (not unlike the google tool bar) so that where ever users go, the plugin automatically collects the e-mail addresses on the page. The user could get paid in some way (money? otherwise?), and there could even be a space in the tool bar to enter e-mail addresses obscured, as in an email addresses displayed as an image, as to avoid detection.
It would be almost perfectly undetectable.
Re:Collecting spam... (Score:2, Insightful)
you should be drug out into the street and shot...
Re:Collecting spam... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Collecting spam... (Score:4, Funny)
I can out-evil this. (Score:2)
Of course, I do concider this evil, and would rather beat my head into a brick wall than code something like that.
The thing with spambots.. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The thing with spambots.. (Score:2, Flamebait)
Re:The thing with spambots.. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:The thing with spambots.. (Score:2)
One thing that I learned about people who make real money. They don't talk about it.
Unfortunately, I can't point to the place where the big boys hang out. I'd be crucified.
So, I can't offer any proof other than I personally know people who make that much doing it.
Re:The thing with spambots.. (Score:2, Funny)
This, coming from someone posting on a site who's members frequently bitch about copyright infringement being called "piracy", because downloading an mp3 shouldn't be likened to raping and murdering on the high seas.
Sometimes, I think this site is filled with self-contradicting, self-righteous, narrow minded, socially inept individuals. Other times, I'm offered proof that it is. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which of those times this is.
Re:The thing with spambots.. (Score:3, Funny)
Repeat after me: "Slashdot comment posters are all different people... Slashdot comment posters are all different people..."
Re: (Score:3)
VoIP Blaster (and InfoAccel USB) Discontinued (Score:5, Interesting)
In a desperate effort to find out how to buy more VoIP Blasters [creative.com], I called Creative Labs. Yes, it's official, they have discontinued sales of this product. That explains why they were blowing them out at $10 a pop. But, it goes deeper than this.
I discovered that Creative Labs didn't manufacturer the VoIP Blaster. They were value added resellers of the InnoMedia InfoAccel USB [innomedia.com]. I decided to send a message to InnoMedia to find out who else resold their units.
My Question to InnoMedia, made through their "contact us" page:
"Creative Labs has now officially discontinued the VoIP Blaster (the repackaged InfoAccel USB). Are there other OEM partners who are repackaging the InfoAccel USB I can purchase from? Is InnoMedia considering releasing a consumer version of the InfoAccel USB?"
Short yet concise response from Kelly Zhang [mailto], Director of Sales, InnoMedia:
"We do not intend to release any more version of InfoAccel USB."
Now that the VoIP Blaster party is officially over, what other inexpensive hardware platforms look promising to allow Grandma to pick up a phone and place a call without a Ph.D in Internet Telephony?
Re:VoIP Blaster (and InfoAccel USB) Discontinued (Score:3, Interesting)
The service is cheap and easy enough for Grandma to use. Or you might could buy the MTA directly (Cisco ATA-186 [cisco.com]) and start hacking.
Re:VoIP Blaster (and InfoAccel USB) Discontinued (Score:2)
sigh.
Re:VoIP Blaster (and InfoAccel USB) Discontinued (Score:2)
I would love to hear any reports from current customers...
Re:VoIP Blaster (and InfoAccel USB) Discontinued (Score:2)
For that price they were a steal and with fobbit software I might be able to have some real fun.
I think the product was discontinued because of one of two things: a) they were selling them at a loss and hoped to reap benefits from the call software, or, b) creative had better marketing to deplete the devices from inventory and make a few bucks on the service.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a neat toy to play with. And with tcp/ip tunneling, you can basically encapsulate the udp to tcp and run it over a openssh encrypted session, much like Speak Freely.
Re:VoIP Blaster (and InfoAccel USB) Discontinued (Score:2)
Lesson to be learned here is do not pair up with a crappy company. The VoIP blaster is a nice product by any internet telephone standards but Creative really dropped the ball by going with these guys.
Imagine if someone could pair this product up with a cell-phone service like Sprint. Your PC's phone number can also be your Cell phone number and your minutes (for phone use) will be deducted from your cellular plan.
Re:VoIP Blaster (and InfoAccel USB) Discontinued (Score:2)
The only cost to cellular carrier is network bandwith/server costs, and that is far cheaper than wireless spectrum. They already have the telephone side of the network in place. They can have your local phone ring at the same time as your cell phone, and you can just answer on whichever is easier for you.
robots.txt? (Score:5, Interesting)
One of the complaints about spambots was that they either ignored, or read and then flouted, robots.txt. But, Google is well behaved - so won't the new generation of spambots implicitly obey robots.txt?
Seems you could use robots.txt to keep Google out of your email address pages, and still keep your other spambot defenses.
Re:robots.txt? (Score:5, Insightful)
A non-robots.txt-respecting spider will simply follow all the links on every page. Once they somehow find some way onto your site (perhaps via Google), they can harvest whatever they want.
Re:robots.txt? (Score:2, Insightful)
Every other effort he's taken involves dealing with such ill-behaved spiders as you mention.
This Slashback has to do with new spiders which do not follow any links on your page, and which use google to find all of your pages.
Any robot that follows links on the site falls prey to his other spambot attacks, so he only has to worry about the new breed that comes through google.
Re:robots.txt? (Score:2)
Not abiding by the rules of robots.txt was an identifying characteristic of old spambots which was used against them.
Immensly Confusing (Score:3, Interesting)
This has got to stop. It's been proven time and time again that if you want consumers money make the best product/offer the best service, and do it in a helpful, non-pushy way.
A solution (Score:5, Funny)
If you get a spam from China, reply with a message (in Chinese if possible) stating
Thank you for your continued support of the Falun Gong movement. It's great to see that people even in China understand the horrible oppression under which members of Falun Gong live. I look forward to your future e-mails on this issue.
A friend of a friend did this (and now if you tell the story, you can say it was a friend of a friend of an anonymous guy posting on a weblog
The spammer had to call his local government agency as soon as he received the e-mail to let them know that it did *not* reflect his opinion.
Mozilla not ready for ecommerce (Score:3, Interesting)
And, yes, I know it's easy to fake referers, but it's just one of a variety of checks the credit card processing company uses and if any of them fail - no order!
I'm guessing that they feel that this is a browser security issue, but it is really a website security issue. Any website that has critical info in the URL is itself a security hazard...someone could just walk by the system to oggle that info directly. Hiding the referer isn't going to fix the site. For the browser to cripple its ecommerce applications for this is a truly bad decision.
Re:Mozilla not ready for ecommerce (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Mozilla not ready for ecommerce (Score:3, Insightful)
Both you and your CC handler agree on a shared secret and a shared PRNG seed. Every time you refer a customer to them, you pull a bunch of random data out of the PRNG, and create an address from which the CC provider (and nobody else -- use SSL client certificates to authenticate them, as well as IP address checks) can pull data. Every time a customer puts in their data, you make it available under
And that's something I just made up on the spur of the moment. If your credit card handling service can't hire someone actually competant (read: better than me) to come up with a system for doing this, they shouldn't be in the business.
More jail time? uh..no.... (Score:3, Insightful)
The massive amount of money lost by corporate America?!?!
First of all, since when do we start supporting corporate america?
Second, were do "they" get damage figures from? Probably the same accountant that say software firms lose "billions and billions" to piracy although many people would never buy the software anyways.
Also, if corporate america didn't have their heads up their asses, they could have avoided all the "damage" the melissa virus did. In fact many companies who know what their doing were completely unaffected.
By the way, why not jail the programmers at Microsoft for writing an e-mail client that allows "billions and billions of damage"
simple fact is this, It's well known that outlook is not secure. If companies have not taken steps to protect themselfs, I can hardly agree with jailing someone who wrote a program (and I believe didn't distribute).
Re:More jail time? uh..no.... (Score:3, Interesting)
since when do you use plastic? oil? drive a car? eat something produced by Kraft (and subsidies)
I don't think you understand... these companies lost money due to this virus, the money figures come from when an email server goes down because it's been innundated with email, taking out the company's resources... imagine... an office full of salaried workers doing absolutely nothing because their email/file server is dead...
and who pays for it? we do... we pay $.02 more for a box of mac & cheese... $.05 more for a gallon of oil because Texaco's cross-country communications were taken down, and a couple freighters had to stop in the middle of the pacific.
We shouldn't blame the guy who wrote the virus, right? just like we shouldn't blame the script kiddies that DDoS our web sites...
Re:More jail time? uh..no.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Ooh! Let's jail Linus Torvalds for writing an OS that allows people to hack! And Bill Gates for creating an OS that allows viruses to be spread. And CmdrTaco for creating slashdot, because people can post flames and trolls, and links to illegal material.
Let's not be stupid, okay, buddy? The rest of your post is quite excellent, but stupid remarks like that one invalidate the whole thing.
Re:More jail time? uh..no.... (Score:2)
Or fine Ford for not fixing the Pinto. Or fine Philip Morris for making people sick.
Sometimes companies are held responsible if their product causes damage. The situations where this is legal are beyond me but I know one of them is gross negligence. Whether Microsoft was negligent with Outlook isn't a question I can answer, but the original poster wasn't being stupid.
Re:More jail time? uh..no.... (Score:2)
*ahem*. Even the early Pintos were much safer vehicles than average for their day, even when one only looks at deaths by fire. The entire scandal was (for the most part) manufactured by the irresponsible, scaremongering, muckraking anticorporate press -- noticed how Mother Jones's headline on their anniversary issue was "25 Years of Raising Hell"? [background: Mother Jones published the article "Pinto Madness", by Mark Doughie, which brought the Pinto's gas tank design into public view]. Even Doughie admits (based on more recent statistics from the NTSB) that the numbers he cited were severely inflated.
So... when you suggest that Ford should be taken to task for not modifying the Pinto, what you're really suggesting is that even a producer who makes a safer-than-average product should rightfully be watching their backs lest they be driven off the market by lying, scaremongering bastards looking to get some quick popularity. And remember: When a safer-than-average product gets driven off the market, what replaces it? A product only as safe as average! At least in the short term, the persecution of the Pinto harmed automotive safety, rather than helping it.
Okay, I'll admit: I went a bit over the top on this one -- but the main point of what I'm saying holds: The Pinto was a safer-than-average vehicle (with a gas tank design which was arguably safer than that which several safety "experts" proposed replacing it with), and was in no way deserving of what it got -- and if people like Mark Doughie actually cared about public safety, they'd have found worthier prey.
(And I wouldn't fine Phillip Morris for making people sick -- I'd fine them for lying about the safety of their products. If people know something might make them sick, it's their problem; if they're told by the manufacturer it's safe, then that's the manufacturer's problem).
Re:More jail time? uh..no.... (Score:2)
Re:More jail time? uh..no.... (Score:2, Interesting)
"By the way, why not jail the programmers at Microsoft for writing an e-mail client that allows "billions and billions of damage""
Is that money losses are being caused by Microsoft as they are also caused by the email virus, AND maybe just as intentially- just phrased better: It isn't cost effective to [make the computer crash less] [provide better secturity] [etc] so we wont do it, this sounds reasonable to everyone but it is just as intentially causing loss money as someone who writes the virus.
Only 64MB? I don't think so... (Score:5, Informative)
I have a 1GB hard drive hooked up to my IIGS right now...and all the space can be used. ProDOS 8 only allows 32MB partitions, but RamFAST and Apple rev. D SCSI cards provide various methods for mapping more than two drives to a physical slot. (ProDOS 8 itself allows for four drives if the controller is in particular slots.) The number of slot/drive combinations limits you to somewhere around 300-350MB maximum online storage with ProDOS 8 (the RamFAST will let you mark partitions active or inactive). If you're using a IIGS and its GS/OS, though, you just create a couple of 32MB ProDOS partitions (to boot and to run your 8-bit apps) and one big HFS partition to use up the entire drive. (The only downside to HFS is that you'll need a Mac to fix the partition if it's corrupted.)
this flaw will crash Mozilla under Linux (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:this flaw will crash Mozilla under Linux (Score:2, Informative)
Re:this flaw will crash Mozilla under Linux (Score:3, Informative)
Maybe that example will, but not others. I'm using Mozilla under Linux too, and their other example allows me to browse my harddrive and look at files (the full page one--link is near the bottom of their page). I would assume that this technique can be used to send the contents of files to some server...this is bad.
I don't know much about XMLHTTP. I suppose you still have to go to and evil site to be exploited, but still.
I just want a browser that supports the more basic stuff HTTP, SSL, HTML, images, CSS, cookies, and simple javascript. Maybe I should just go back to Lynx--no images or javascript which means some sites don't work, however I'd rather be inconvienced than hacked.
Re:this flaw will crash Mozilla under Linux (Score:4, Interesting)
Melissa and David L. Smith (Score:5, Interesting)
On a related note, how many people actually picked apart one of their copies of Melissa? The really nasty bit of code was only maybe 10 lines long. Doesn't seem like he had to go through all that much trouble to write the thing. For years I've been thinking that Microsoft should really be held accountable for building that capability into Outlook in the first place. Then just a couple weeks ago someone said that is like holding gun makers accountable for murders. Now I'm not so sure that MS is to blame - they had their reasons for building it in, dubious as they may be, and I'm sure people besides the virus writers have made use of this feature. Would calling for Microsoft to remove it be the same as calling for file sharing networks to be torn down just because people use them illegally?
It's funny that I didn't notice how much of a hypocrite I was until it was pointed out to me.
Re:Melissa and David L. Smith (Score:2)
If a gun manufacture made a gun that could be caused to fire by someone who isn't even in the same room as the gun, AND the manufacture was aware of it, AND they did nothing (or touted it as a feature), AND consumers generally didn't understand the implications of this mis-feature THEN there would be a parallel here.
I'm not saying Smith isn't culpable (that's D. Smith, not Smith & W.
Let's face it. Outlook is unsafe at any bitrate.
-Peter
Re:Melissa and David L. Smith (Score:2)
Re:Melissa and David L. Smith (Score:3, Informative)
Anyway, you are over-generalizing your personal experience.
Everyone has heard someone say something along the lines of "I don't wear seat belts, because my uncle was in a car accident and was thrown free. If he had his seat belt on he would have been killed in the fire." Even if we assume this anecdote to be true it in no way controverts the statistical fact that a seat belt is far more likely to save the life of an adult than to end it.
So, without regard to your personal experience cigarettes cause cancer, seat belts save lives, and Outlook is a security risk.
-Peter
Re:Melissa and David L. Smith (Score:5, Insightful)
No, that person was wrong. Let's say there is a popular gun manufacturer called Smallnlimp. This is like if smallnlimp put in a "feature" that caused the weapon to go off anytime it detected a certain audio pattern. Then some whacko discovers if a specific other signal is sent immediately after, the guns will repeat both signals loudly--thereby causing other guns to go off too. The result? Millions of Smallnlimp's guns fire unexpectedly injuring and killing people as this signal is spread over open air and through telephone lines. Is Smallnlimp responsible for the guns going off? Maybe not directly...
IIRC Microsoft patched this problem by not allowing Outlook Express to run executables directly, however IMO they have been very careless and irresponsible in how they've produced software--their whole objective seems to be to take over the world instead of producing quality software. The types of "viri" that require opening an attachment are only the tip of the iceburg. Code Red and Nimda [antivirus.com] are just two examples of real worms/viri that Microsoft has allowed to spawn. I dare someone to show me a security exploit in Apache/NFS/etc that would allow such a program to spread. In additon to bugs, their default settings and all the stuff they try to hide from the user (such as file extentions and the network settings [grc.com]) have allowed script kiddies to go freestyle on Winboxen. Between Microsoft and Redhat, more internet worms are probably on the way...
The moderators can mod this as flamebait all they want, however it doesn't change the fact that this is an honest assessment of the MS by a person who has used their software for at least a decade.
prodos (Score:4, Interesting)
So anyway, if I get this card and put ProDos on the drive, is there some way I can just load all my floppies onto there as images, and run them after booting into ProDos?
Creative VoIP (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm just glad mine came in via fedex today.
Another idea for the Spambot trap (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Another idea for the Spambot trap (Score:3, Insightful)
mistake in the posting (Score:4, Funny)
I believe this text was supposed to be style="font-size:2px" but they forgot to put the tag in.
mozilla (Score:2, Informative)
Mozilla bug already fixed (Score:3, Insightful)
I won't post the bug number (bugzilla won't allow links from slashdot anyway), but it's already been fixed as of tonights builds, if I remember correctly.
Re:Mozilla bug already fixed (Score:2)
mozilla is for developers, not "average users".
If you want hand-holding, use Netscape's release.
hm... yes... no... (Score:3, Funny)
On the other hand, I have to think the greymagic guys could have found more productive ways to spend their time. For example, it would have taken 5 minutes to emaile the mozilla secur... well...
Wait, what am I thinking? Writing a file browser is definately the most productive thing to do...
I hate when people criticize Opera (Score:5, Informative)
Now, how about saving sets of opened page to continue browsing them anytime. I have several of them, one for each subject I commonly browse for. And continue to browse the last opened pages if your browser/operating system crashes. Import and Export bookmarks and email contacts. Browse offline content, delete every personal info left on your computer by your browser with two clicks (for the privacy freaks), multiple languages supported, pre defined texts to fills forms, 13 search engines available in a tab. Skins, layout customization, modify settings of html text and link tags, load your own css, zoom, block frames, load only cached images, report Javascript errors. Identify the browser as being another (right, "you must use IE to view this page" crap). Full control over cache and cookies. And password protection. Not to mention fully functionals email and newsgroup clients, low comsumption of computer resources, all in 3.2 megas.
And if everything here didn't catch your attention, two words:
"Mouse gestures".
That alone is worth a thousand dollars. Hover a link, right click and up+down with mouse. Page loads at the background. Open 25 links this way, hold mouse button, down+right, close current window. Do it for every page you have found. Hold mouse button and press another, back to pages you previously visited. Another way of buttons, forward the pages.
Opera was worth every cent I paid for. With it, my productivity raised so much I can't live without anymore. I do programming for living, and if having +20 windows opened at the same time, searching for information with Google, discussing at newsgroups, and reading mailing lists, weren't delivered so fast and nice over the last years that I am using Opera, I know a lot of work would not have been done.
I know what ya mean... (Score:2)
Opera's a nice browser -- but it's not the only one out there. And given the choice between using a nice browser that's commercial software or one I can put on every machine I own (and my work boxen, and my friend's boxen, &c) for free... well, let's say it ain't Opera I use.
VoIP (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.americas.creative.com/products/produ
So if you can see that link then it proves them wrong! Unless they have run out of stock, they seem to be still selling units.
Re:VoIP (Score:2)
"Our apologies...
The document you requested does not exist on this server or cannot be served.
It is possible you typed the address incorrectly, or that the page no longer exists.
"
- Jester
Re:VoIP (Score:2)
Re:VoIP (Score:2)
For some reason the link I posted above doesn't work for me now, but when I click here [creative.com] I get to the site. But it doesn't have the "buy now" button, and the drop-down menu for the single or two-fer deal. However, many other pages don't have that image, and the ones that do have it all seem to have a different face to the image... like the price is $99, or $45 on others. So my guess is they ahve to recreate the button whent he price changes... however, that does't explain the other issues the site is having with the other images on the site.
Anyways, I'm glad that I got to purchase mine, and that I can confirm they are in transite. I did get mine after, like two days, the slashdot article. I got 2 kits of 2 each, 4 in all for under $40 USD.
Bugzilla Bug 141061 (Score:3, Informative)
When an http server redirects the user to a local file, XMLHttpRequest gets tricked into thinking the page came from the http server.
Bug Reported on 2002-04-29 17:46
Bug Fixed on 2002-05-01 09:11
My SPAMBOT defense (Score:5, Interesting)
What I do is include on every web page I produce an invisible 1x1 gif with a mailto: to a special e-mail address. My goal is not to prevent SPAMBOTS or even try to confuse them. I want them to scarf up the special e-mail address. When SPAM is sent to this address, I have scripts on my Mac OS X system that downloads the e-mail and scans it for headers, subject and body message. Once it collects this information, it sends a copy to SpamCop [spamcop.net] and then it sends the info to my postfix e-mail server to scan other accounts for the same message and then updates my postfix configuration to block further e-mails. I give my "special e-mail address" a name that will alphabetically sort before any other e-mail addresses in my domain. I have noticed SPAMMERS tend to send SPAMs out in alphabetical order to my domain so this works fairly well. I have never had a false positive with this method.
The great thing about this system is that 90% of the time I report SPAM to SpamCop, it says its a fresh SPAM. So not only am I helping to prevent SPAM to my users, I am hopefully helping others that are using SpamCop's RBL.
Re:My SPAMBOT defense (Score:2)
How certain are you that they are unique spammers, and not just the same spammers with new tricks?
Re:My SPAMBOT defense (Score:2)
With my system, I am expecting to receive SPAM not stop it at the source. So I do not care if the SPAMMER is unique or not. What matters to me is the SPAM itself. With that, I can check out my users mailbox to see if it has gotten to them yet and update my mail server to block the SPAM based of its characteristics. I send the info over to SpamCop in hopes that it helps out others. Don't cost me nuttin' to do it.
Re:My SPAMBOT defense (Score:2)
Re:My SPAMBOT defense (Score:2)
<A HREF="mailto:special.email@mydomain.com"> <IMG SRC="invisible.gif" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="Don't Send E-Mail To This Address"> </A>
Re:My SPAMBOT defense (Score:2)
Re:Share! (Score:3, Interesting)
My system is very tuned to the systems I have available to me. Disclosing my rag-tag collection of Perl scripts, AppleScripts, postfix configurations and e-mail programs that I have cobbled together would compromise my security and most likely would never work on anyone else's setup.
However, take the concept and run with it. If I can do it, most sysadmins could figure it out -- I am a hack programmer. I find that Postfix [postfix.org] is a great alternative to Sendmail and makes SPAM killing a snap.
I also cheat by blocking China, Korea and Taiwan off from my mail server. My company is USA focused and never does business with non-English speaking countries. No offense folks in Asia, I lived and worked there for 3 years and enjoyed my time. Its just an easy way to whack 1/2 the SPAM sent to my servers.
Virus Writer Prison Precedent (Score:4, Insightful)
SOFTWARE IS FREE SPEECH!!!
And what of a writer whose essay starts riots? Will we as slashdotters stand behind the writer voicing his opinion or will we say that his speech caused riots in which people died? Don't we, as slashdotters, support free speech in all its forms regardless of the harm it may cause? DeCSS could cause as much damage to the MPAA as Melissa did to the rest of the corporate world. Why do we stand behind DeCSS and its authors and not the poor MPAA victims? Because DeCSS is protected speech, that's why!
I'm not arguing that what the guy did was right or wrong. That's a matter of opinion. I am arguing that Melissa was free speech. It was exploit code demonstrating a security hole in Microsoft Outlook. Was it irresponsible of someone to spread it in the wild? Hell yes. But it was just plain old exploit code nonetheless.
your right to swing your fist (free speech)... (Score:4, Insightful)
it roughly means that your right to free speech is allowed until it hurts someone else.
Re:Virus Writer Prison Precedent (Score:2, Insightful)
Yes, I agree that software is free speech -- just as I agree that designing firearms is free (innovation / art / somethingorother.)
However, (releasing this software and causing damage) / (pulling the trigger and maiming somebody) is not.
Re:Virus Writer Prison Precedent (Score:3, Interesting)
Ok, granted.
But if I spray paint a "LOVE THE WORLD!" on the side of your car is that protected by the 1st amendment?
Virus Actions and Warnings (Score:2)
I follow what you're saying here. And I generally agree. But in this case, the author is being imprisoned for not just writing code but using it.
This is a really important distinction. In most cases, potentially destructive tools are generally legal as long as they are not used for illegally destructive acts (your local laws my varry). Some examples include firearms, knives, hammers... and exploit code.
But, unless I am mistaken, Smith did not simply post the code on a site warning the world of the vulnerability he found. He released it. He used it. He put in motion the events that lead to infamy.
Because of this act, I can understand the conviction. Although, I don't find myself as thrilled as some here seem to be.
Virus writers seem to be, for the most part, an annoying messanger. A vandalistic Paul Revere. Damages accredited to these outbreaks seem to be mostly the man hours billed in detecting, stopping, and removing the malicious code. Yet these worms and virii ("viruses" my be correct, but its clumsy) could very well have done MUCH more damage if their writers were so inclined. Instead, they propogate and (again - for the most part) leave their host systems' valuable data intact.
Yea, its a pain in the butt to deal with these things. Especially when an outbreak blossoms within a client's or employer's environment. But the ugly truth is that these malicious agents take advantage of completely insecure environments organizations insist on using. And I have come to realize that many managers and IT reps will not pay attention to infosec issues unless they directly experience the consequences to these issues.
That's right. Virus writers are doing us a favor. Sofar. Its when an individual or organization with a much more malicious intent (damage, espionage, etc) begins to employ these methods that we should REALLY be worried.
Re:Virus Writer Prison Precedent (Score:3, Informative)
I think it's the difference between posession (of a firearm) and the use of one in a crime.
-- weave, Law and Order syndicated rerun graduate of 2002
Re:Virus Writer Prison Precedent (Score:2)
But that does not mean that writing viruses should be considered incitement ... writing and distributing viruses in order to better understand them is likely to be considered protected speech, whereas distributing viruses in order to cause damage to computers you have no right to access is likely to be considered conduct outside the protection of the First Amendment. And I don't think it is that hard to draw the line, and while I think this Court has done some outrageous things, I think they are bright enough to draw such a line. At least I hope so.
a priori, especially if there is a good spokesperson for open security models in front of the Court
By the way, the comment that "The Court has upheld several times since then (especially in obscenity cases) the idea that speech is only protected when it is meaningful" is not backed up by anything I have seen in obscenity law. Or any other First Amendment law. Who decides what is meaningful?
about time.. (Score:2)
That's a lot of hair... (Score:2, Funny)
Heh. The guy would have to be a 500 foot tall gorilla covered with soft down if the number of copies we got is any indication...
One additional technique to defeat the spambots (Score:2, Informative)
Just add an hidden link (for example a 1x1 image)
to a page where there is hundreds of random-generated emails. If many sites use this most of their database will be filled with noise, and may be unusable.
wanna know what spam companies say? (Score:3, Interesting)
Umm, if you show this to kids... (Score:2)
And they would probably find that as interesting as a parent today showing their kid an old black and white TV with no remote control.
I am getting old. I find myself saying "I remember when there was no internet!" to people.
The exploit crashes my Mozilla 1.0RC1 build (Score:2)
Re:Great ... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Great ... (Score:5, Funny)
So what does that make bugs in open source software, "documented features" since the source is open?
Not exactly... (Score:2)
Re:Great ... (Score:2)
I would say they are "obfuscated features", since yeah, it's there, but if anybody could read the source they would see the bug.
Re:Great ... (Score:2)
Re:Less buggy browser? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Less buggy browser? (Score:2)
This got modded Insightful? What I wouldn't give for mod points right about now. IE is the slowest, buggiest browser I've used, second only to Netscape 4.x.
Mozilla RC1, on the other hand, renders pages almost as quick as Opera, starts up instantly if you enable QuickStart, and is more standards compliant than just about anything out there.
If you find browsing in anything than IE a pain, blame Microsoft for breaking the web.
Re:Less buggy browser? (Score:2, Flamebait)
I've heard good things about something called Internet Explorer. Why not give that a try?
Re:Less buggy browser? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:$14 is for the flash, not the interface card (Score:3, Informative)
Its a 64mb flash card
You Say You Want Porn? (Score:2)
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