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US Seeks China's Help Against North Korean Cyberattacks 153

Posted by samzenpus from the thanks-but-no-thanks dept.
An anonymous reader writes The United States has declined an offer by North Korea for a joint investigation into the hacking of Sony Pictures and asked China to help block cyber attacks. "We have discussed this issue with the Chinese to share information, express our concerns about this attack, and to ask for their cooperation," a senior administration official said. "In our cybersecurity discussions, both China and the United States have expressed the view that conducting destructive attacks in cyberspace is outside the norms of appropriate cyber behavior." China has so far seemed less than sympathetic: "Any civilized world will oppose hacker attacks or terror threats. But a movie like The Interview, which makes fun of the leader of an enemy of the U.S., is nothing to be proud of for Hollywood and U.S. society," said an editorial in The Global Times, a tabloid sister paper to China's official The People's Daily. "No matter how the U.S. society looks at North Korea and Kim Jong Un, Kim is still the leader of the country. The vicious mocking of Kim is only a result of senseless cultural arrogance."
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  • "Cultural arrogance" (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The irony is more than a little thick.

    • Re:"Cultural arrogance" (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ArcadeMan ( 2766669 ) on Sunday December 21, 2014 @12:51PM (#48646971)

      It's not just China, all the other countries think the U.S.A. is arrogant.

      • Re:"Cultural arrogance" (Score:5, Insightful)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) * on Sunday December 21, 2014 @01:01PM (#48647055) Homepage Journal

        The Chinese do have a point here. First the US attacks other countries with cyber weapons like Struxnet and hacking on a quite astounding scale (thanks for informing us, Snowden). Then it gets in a huff when others attack its movie industry, and tries to take the moral high ground.

        They also have a point about insulting the leaders of other countries. Obviously in the west we have no problem with it, we do it all the time and to our own people. Considering the delicate nature of the relationship between North Korea and the US making this kind of film doesn't seem like a very smart move. Yes, freedom of speech and all that, but free speech is not free from consequences. Expecting the North Koreans not to react, expecting it not to affect the US-DPRK relationship is naive at best.

        • Re:"Cultural arrogance" (Score:4, Insightful)

          by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Sunday December 21, 2014 @01:12PM (#48647111) Journal

          So we should burn any movie script that dares insult some violent tyrant, lest they get upset? Should we also stop publishing reports on said tyrants? Just how much would you like the West to appease the likes of Kim Jong-Un?

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) *

            It's not a clear cut "freedom of speech" issue as some are making it out to be. The situation is a difficult one, and people's lives are on the line. Upsetting the DPRK in this way is not likely to improve things. So, while legally the right to make and release such a film exists, morally it's more questionable.

            I'm not drawing a conclusion, I'm just trying to explain how it isn't a simple free speech or appeasement issue. Try to imagine being someone living near the border in South Korea, as many millions o

            • Re: (Score:1)

              by Anonymous Coward

              It's not a clear cut "freedom of speech" issue as some are making it out to be. ...

              BULLSHIT.

              Someone's speech - in this case a movie - upset someone to the point of criminal activities - extortion and threats of violence.

              It's not difficult at all - someone says something you don't like, GET THE FUCK OVER IT. But jackasses like you only hold white Christians [wikipedia.org] to that standard.

              If that's not a free speech issue, NOTHING is.

              Oh yeah, this [wikipedia.org] is quite apropos. Read it and LEARN something.

              • Re: (Score:1)

                by Anonymous Coward

                Someone calls for the murder of everyone in your race/religion, get the fuck over it.

                People listen and actually murder several million in your race/religion, get the fuck over it.

                Speech is an act. It's a more powerful act in terms of efficiency than any sticks or stones. It has consequences - sometimes these consequences should involve legal sanctions, and often not, but there are always ethical consequences.

                • Re: (Score:2)

                  by celle ( 906675 )

                  "People listen and actually murder several million in your race/religion, get the fuck over it."

                  They took direct violent physical action which harmed millions. They were wrong and should be punished.

                  "Speech is an act. It's a more powerful act in terms of efficiency than any sticks or stones. It has consequences - sometimes these consequences should involve legal sanctions, and often not, but there are always ethical consequences."

                  Speech is a non-physical in

              • No, they're quite right. Nobody ever said freedom of speech meant freedom from the consequences of that speech. You can say whatever you like, your government won't try to stop you, but sling vile insults at some guy at the bar and you're liable to get a fist to the face in response. This is much the same - sling insults at a dictator who needs a steady stream of excuses to maintain the international tensions that keep his position stable, and you've got to expect he's going to counterattack.

                Besides whic

                • Re: (Score:2)

                  by celle ( 906675 )

                  "You can say whatever you like, your government won't try to stop you, but sling vile insults at some guy at the bar and you're liable to get a fist to the face in response."

                  And the minute he got violent he was wrong. That's why in the eyes of the law it's assault. Physical actions generate responses. Ideas are just ideas until actions are taken and speech is just a medium for ideas, good or bad is irrelevant, but when actions are taken that's when it becomes important. You do understand that

                  • Actually no, assault refers to verbal violence (often specifically the threat of physical violence), it's battery that refers to physical violence. And most cases I've heard of take verbal provocation into account.

                    Again though, we're talking *American* law. Trying to make that the standard for international dealings is practically the definition of cultural arrogance.

            • I was unaware that the moral thing to do was accept bullying. I bet "The Great Dictator" upset Hitler, but in the US, it was the second most popular movie of 1941. I guess that's not comparably, since the terrorists won, and we all live in constant fear.

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by sjames ( 1099 )

              I saw a bit on the news last night that a man who escaped from N. Korea years ago and now lives in S. Korea obtained hundreds of copies of the movie and sent them into N. Korea using helium balloons.

              He said that after a life of hearing only what the government wanted him to hear, his eyes were opened when he found some pamphlets delivered by a similar balloon and he realized he must leave by any means. He wants N. Koreans to know what the rest of the world thinks of their leader.

          • So we should burn any movie script that dares insult some violent tyrant, lest they get upset?

            That's the logical endpoint of cultural relativism, yes.

          • So we should burn any movie script that dares insult some violent tyrant, lest they get upset? Should we also stop publishing reports on said tyrants? Just how much would you like the West to appease the likes of Kim Jong-Un?

            I've gone back and forth on this. On one hand, you have Sony and the movie theaters ceding to the demands/threats of the hackers/terrorists. On another hand, you have Hollywood doing one of the things it does best, pushing the limits of shock value for the sake of monetary gain. On the third hand, you have a smaller group provoking a larger, despotic group, with considerable power, with little regard to the tensions it would cause.

            If the movie were merely insulting, I would think the reaction of North

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by sjames ( 1099 )

              In the '80s there was a punk band called "Jodie Foster's Army". There was no official comment from the Reagan Administration.

        • First of all, the movie isn't a product of the USA government. You know about free speech? If free speech is considered by the rest of the world as cultural arrogance, so be it.

          Second, hijacking a website and the cyberspace is a crime. It is not about the movie industry or whatever, it is about a crime perpetrated on american soil by another country. USA is perfectly legit to react and take action against anyone behind this crime. No matter how weak the security at Sony is.

          Third, any real proofs US governme

          • > First of all, the movie isn't a product of the USA government.

            Yes it is. The movie was prescreened to the White House and the White House was asked for input on the movie. The White House explicitly asked for the execution of the NK leader to be retained in the film.

            • It still doesn't make it a product of the government. BTW, I would like to have some serious source behind this claim of yours.

            • The White House explicitly asked for the execution of the NK leader to be retained in the film.

              Didn't happen.

            • That was on the planet Zooby. On Earth, the president has better things to do. What have you been reading (or smoking)?

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by dcw3 ( 649211 )

              Really? Where do you get this? Do you have any credible source?

        • Re:"Cultural arrogance" (Score:5, Insightful)

          by cold fjord ( 826450 ) on Sunday December 21, 2014 @05:08PM (#48648325)

          I see the Committee For Perpetual Rage Against America is hard at work again, and one of its prominent spokesmen has released a statement. Let's take a look at it.

          Yes, freedom of speech and all that, but free speech is not free from consequences. Expecting the North Koreans not to react, expecting it not to affect the US-DPRK relationship is naive at best.

          So you're suggesting that North Korea doesn't like to get treated the same way it treats others?

          North Korea blows up White House in propaganda video [youtube.com] - Mar 19, 2013

          The Chinese do have a point here.

          The Chinese? The same People's Republic of China that is actively trying to steal land, sea, and resources from its neighbors while the US is helping China's neighbors defend themselves? Those neighbors might have a different opinion.

          First the US attacks other countries with cyber weapons like Struxnet ...

          You mean Iran's illicit nuclear weapons program? So you prefer a shooting war then, with nuclear weapons?

          Then it gets in a huff when others attack its movie industry, and tries to take the moral high ground.

          You're comparing a comedy movie to nuclear weapons? Do we all need to fear the coming HarHarmageddon? You don't think that is a little unhinged, do you?

          They also have a point about insulting the leaders of other countries.

          We've already seen that North Korea long ago showed propaganda featuring the destruction of the White House with the implication of killing the US President. Will you now turn your complaints against North Korea? I suspect not, your perpetual grievance is with the US, you only need the cause of the moment.

          Considering the delicate nature of the relationship between North Korea and the US making this kind of film doesn't seem like a very smart move.

          North Korea considers itself at war with much of the rest of the world, and technically they are right. But even given that, and the previously demonstrated North Korean propaganda, are you claiming that the North Koreans are dumb too with that statement? Do you think that might be risky?

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) *

            You are agreeing with me, supporting my point. Both sides are as bad as each other, and the US is hypocritical for calling out the DPRK for it.

            Well, actually the US is worse, because Struxnet did real damage to Iran's nuclear programme. All NK might have done is hack Sony and make a few threats. You can try to justify it any way you like, but the simple fact is that the US has deployed cyber weapons against another nation state and then denied it, so is at best on the same level as North Korea in moral term

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by dcw3 ( 649211 )

              "Both sides are as bad as each other"???

              Seriously? Go learn something about DPRK before you speak out of your ass again. There is no comparison.

        • Get real, my friend. Stuxnet was designed to prevent psychotic religious fanatics from developing nuclear bombs. There is no real question as to whether the Iranians would use any nuclear bomb under their control to murder 100,000s of Jews in Israel. They have said that they will do it in so many words over and over again in their internal religious sermons. To the foreigners they're a little more diplomatic.

          The American-Ashkanzim alliance is the most productive alliance between peoples

      • The irony is pretty thick there as well.

        As an example, all too often when I see comparisons of the US and abroad, Europeans often refer to their way of doing things as the way "the rest of the world" works, and likewise Europeans also think of themselves as being "the world."

        Just as an example from recent memory, one guy was detracting an article about EMV adoption in the US in the comments, saying it was just a ploy by the banking companies to force you to pay for fraudulent charges, and I responded to him

        • Another thing I can think of is that South American's take GREAT offense when you refer to people in the USA as American.

          Being Canadian, I'm also annoyed when people say "American" since America is made of two whole continents, however I'm not sure what word I'm supposed to use. Some people say "USAsian" but it sounds like "U.S. asian" to me.

      • It's not just China, all the other countries think the U.S.A. is arrogant.

        That doesn't seem to be likely.

        Which countries don’t like America and which do [pewresearch.org]

        Your pronouncement seems to have more to do with you than with the actual views of people in "all the other countries."

        • It's not a like-or-hate choice. We might think the U.S.A. is arrogant and still count them as friendly.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by dcw3 ( 649211 )

            It's not a like-or-hate choice. We might think the U.S.A. is arrogant and still count them as friendly.

            And, while our actions as a nation frequently are arrogant, we end up being expected to take action around the globe simply because nobody else is willing and able. I would personally prefer the "walk softly, and carry a big stick" approach. It seems similar to the issues the US is going through with police right now...many see them as overreaching, and overreacting, but we sure don't want to be without them.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Yes, maybe we should have jailed Charlie Chaplain for mocking Hitler
      Would that appeasement have delayed ww2?

  • Idiots (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Why did we ask China to help us avenge an attack on a Japanese business?

  • but Americans are of course willing to hate whoever their government and media tells them to hate, and will do so until their mouths are frothing. Today it is North Korea, tomorrow it will be Iran, Pakistan, and everyone else who does not want to yield.

  • China is the logical choice to ask. After all, they're behind many of the attacks on government and business. Kind of like "takes a thief to catch a thief."

  • "We didn't do it. Shutup or we'll do it again." (Score:3, Insightful)

    by JoshuaZ ( 1134087 ) on Sunday December 21, 2014 @12:53PM (#48646997) Homepage
    North Korea's response seems to be "We didn't do it. Shutup or we'll do it again." See for example the quotes listed at http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/21/world/asia/north-korea-us-sony/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 [cnn.com]. After saying that they didn't do it, North Korea then says that:

    The DPRK has already launched the toughest counteraction. Nothing is more serious miscalculation than guessing that just a single movie production company is the target of this counteraction. Our target is all the citadels of the U.S. imperialists who earned the bitterest grudge of all Koreans.

    They then go on to say that their soldiers along with the hackers in question are sharpening their bayonets. North Korea seems to want to have it both ways: claiming that they didn't do it, but wanting everyone to take their threats seriously like they did. At this point, there really shouldn't be substantial doubt that North Korea is responsible. The only question is what the proper response is.

    • Re:"We didn't do it. Shutup or we'll do it again." (Score:4, Informative)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) * on Sunday December 21, 2014 @01:18PM (#48647139) Homepage Journal

      The article you linked to doesn't have any references, and sounds like it is based on an extremely poor translation. Looking at the official DPRK news agency, they don't seem to mention it: http://www.kcna.kp/kcna.user.a... [www.kcna.kp]

      What the do say is that if they were to retaliate it wouldn't be a terrorist attack on innocent movie-goers, it would be a military strike on the leadership. That seems to match what the badly translated CNN statement says, i.e. that they wouldn't attack some random corporation or civilians, they would attack the leadership who they hold responsible.

      The entire narrative of the DPRK is based on this idea that the majority of Americans are innocent, if deluded, and should be freed from the control of their masters. Without going in to how close to the mark that might actually be, it's basically a reflection of the US narrative on regime change.

      • Re:"We didn't do it. Shutup or we'll do it again." (Score:4, Insightful)

        by dj245 ( 732906 ) on Sunday December 21, 2014 @04:16PM (#48648061) Homepage

        The article you linked to doesn't have any references, and sounds like it is based on an extremely poor translation. Looking at the official DPRK news agency, they don't seem to mention it: http://www.kcna.kp/kcna.user.a... [www.kcna.kp]

        What the do say is that if they were to retaliate it wouldn't be a terrorist attack on innocent movie-goers, it would be a military strike on the leadership. That seems to match what the badly translated CNN statement says, i.e. that they wouldn't attack some random corporation or civilians, they would attack the leadership who they hold responsible.

        The entire narrative of the DPRK is based on this idea that the majority of Americans are innocent, if deluded, and should be freed from the control of their masters. Without going in to how close to the mark that might actually be, it's basically a reflection of the US narrative on regime change.

        We are deluded. There isnt a shred of evidence tying the DPRK to this hacking and yet they get all the blame. The movie was filmed in Fall 2013, but there were no statements from the DPRK until June 2014. They really arent the kind of people to miss out on a threatening press release if given even the slightest opportunity. Their press bureau literally salivates a this kind of thing. They also rarely lie. Huge exaggerations? Sure. But not lies. So it seems reasonable they didnt hear about the movie until June when official announcements and trailers started coming out

        Meanwhile, the hackers apparently got into Sony's systems over a year ago. They first asked for money, then only later started talking about The Interview and wanting it pulled. The broken english used in their communications is not consistent with a Korean speaker. DPRK citizens speaking english is pretty obvious- they only have a small number of schools which teach it, and without many native english speakers, the teachers are very consistent.

        We need to back up a little and reask the question of who did it. The answer might be even more interesting that the line we are being fed.

        • Um, have you ever thought that maybe the reason there wasn't any response until June 2014 was because the movie wasn't hyped until then? Do you really think there is someone deep in the bowels of Pyongyang scraping TMZ looking for any hints of a movie that may not be portraying North Korea in a glowing fashion?

          • Re:"We didn't do it. Shutup or we'll do it again." (Score:5, Insightful)

            by dj245 ( 732906 ) on Sunday December 21, 2014 @09:18PM (#48649547) Homepage

            Um, have you ever thought that maybe the reason there wasn't any response until June 2014 was because the movie wasn't hyped until then? Do you really think there is someone deep in the bowels of Pyongyang scraping TMZ looking for any hints of a movie that may not be portraying North Korea in a glowing fashion?

            That's exactly my point. Why would North Korea hack Sony 6 months before they were aware of such a movie? Sony has pissed off a huge number of people, especially technically-minded people. The DPRK is just a convenient scapegoat.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by dcw3 ( 649211 )

          There isnt a shred of evidence tying the DPRK to this hacking and yet they get all the blame.

          Incorrect, but I will agree that what's been provided is not conclusive, and weak. And, I stopped trusting the government commentary long before WMD were claimed to exist in Iraq. I ***hope*** that they're basing their findings on more than just this. But I also know that evidence can't always be made public because it can reveal sources of intelligence, and make them unusable. So, who should we believe, a clearly evil dictator, or a federal agency that for the most part has a pretty good track record.

  • America has turned into a very weak society. Lets all run around with our panties in a bunch and do what we are told. In world war II, america had cartoons of hitler and the japs, and no one cared what hitler thought about them, or were ready to lay down and die at hitler's command. Ive actually seen comments that it was stupid for us to make a movie such as the interview. What about sony maybe hiring an IT guy to secure their network? Oh, we can't do that with our millions. I noted a week later, their netw

    • America has turned into a very weak society. Lets all run around with our panties in a bunch and do what we are told.

      Theater chains don't want to run the movie because of liability concerns, Sony does't want to launch the movie in a limited number of theaters. It all comes down to dollars and lawyers in the end.

      "very weak society" because movie premier was delayed == entitlement syndrome

      If you want to see Americans not giving a fuck, give businesses legal immunity for anything bad that happens.
      (LoL @ ^, like you ever need to look very hard)

      Now excuse me, I'm going to put in Team America and draw silly cartoons of Kim Do

  • Somewhat the right of privacy of a corporation matters, while the right of privacy of basically 99.99% of mankind (at least, of the ones with access to internet) has been abolished. Do as I say, not as i do.
  • I for one am tired of N. Korea's arrogance in having been successful in shutting down Sony's release of the movie. I say it's time to strike back - how about we start a meme where we photoshop and videoshop/YouTube images of Kim Jong Un into compromising depictions? I'm being completely serious. Let's see if N. Korea can shut down the entire internet before we make a laughing stock of them.

  • Cultural differences (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gman003 ( 1693318 ) on Sunday December 21, 2014 @01:17PM (#48647131)

    In China (and most east-asian cultures), you never disrespect rulers. It simply is not done, and they see it as a grave insult to the entire nation to do so.

    In west-european and north-american cultures, particularly the US, everyone is a fair target for mockery. We mock Kim Jong-eun because he does things worth making fun of. We mocked Hitler because he did things worth making fun of, and we continue to do so. We also mocked Obama, Bush, Clinton... we still regularly mock Nixon, just because it's still funny. Britain makes fun of Cameron, and to a lesser extent, the Royal Family. We have entire industries based around making a mockery of our political leaders, and we would be insulted if you asked us to stop.

    The only ones we do not mock are those who do absolutely nothing and are of no significance whatsoever. It would be a greater insult for us to NOT satirize them, because that says we don't give a single shit about them, that they are not even worthy of our derision.

    • In China (and most east-asian cultures), you never disrespect rulers. It simply is not done, and they see it as a grave insult to the entire nation to do so.

      In west-european and north-american cultures, particularly the US, everyone is a fair target for mockery.

      Well, almost everyone is a fair target. The current occupant of the White House is only criticized or mocked by racists, we are told by the best and brightest.

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    • In China (and most east-asian cultures), you never disrespect rulers. It simply is not done ....

      That works fine for people under their control, but we now live in a global information age in which the opinion of some minor person around the globe could find its way there. They should probably toughen up. Besides, if they want to sling it they need to learn to take it, and both North Korea and China have had plenty of anti-American and anti-Western propaganda over the years, including that aimed specifically at the leaders.

      .... and they see it as a grave insult to the entire nation to do so.

      "L'état, c'est moi" [yahoo.com] in North Korea or China? I thought the Communists d

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      >> In China (and most east-asian cultures), you never disrespect rulers. It simply is not done, and they see it as a grave insult to the entire nation to do so.

      Surprise. Hong Kong is still pretty damn East-Asian cultured.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by celle ( 906675 )

      "In China (and most east-asian cultures), you never disrespect rulers. It simply is not done, and they see it as a grave insult to the entire nation to do so."

      That's because the rulers of those cultures strictly killed any casual dissenters outright over thousands of years thereby breeding casual dissent out of the culture. East vs West is the "cathedral and the bazaar" in human cultures.

      Wow I made this political story opensource and slashdot relevant.

  • It's really gone too far now, from a laughable hack to a global embarrassment courtesy of Hollywood, destroyer of ethics, morals and purveyor of propaganda for decades.
    If you want to show weakness, asking China for help was a great way to do it, tie this fiasco in with Feinstein's "torture report" that put American lives in danger overseas and we have a clear picture of 3rd Worldism incompetence.

    • If you want to take away the Kimster's internet, you talk to China. That's where the wires go.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by dcw3 ( 649211 )

        Claims are that it didn't source physically in NK. It's not the first time (making an assumption here that it actually was them) they've done shit outside of their actual boarders.

  • There is no political currency in asking for your 'cyber-enemy' to cooperate in investigating an attack by a country whose biggest ally is said cyber-enemy. It's a worthless news-bit at best, and opening a door for problems at worst...imagine, US who accuses China of so many cyber attacks, now saying to China "can you help us investigate the SPE attack" (a Japanese company, 'China's sworn enemy'). The whole thing is turning into a fucking clown-shoes filled dance party.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by swb ( 14022 )

      I can only guess that this a veiled threat to help limit their capabilities or risk being collateral damage in any responses that may target assets in China linked to North Korea.

      It's also a way of engaging the segments of the Chinese leadership sick of getting caught up in North Korea's antics. The NY Times had a piece this morning highlighting an anti-NK article written by a senior Chinese army officer.

      • China needs NK to have 'antics'. The more aggressive the US is with North Korea, gives China more opportunity to finger point and criticise.. also, having NK next to China makes China's human rights abuses seem insignificant in comparison.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by swb ( 14022 )

          I think they definitely get mileage out of it, but China has some of their own inbuilt paranoia about NK. The last thing the Chinese want is a war on their border. The refugee crisis would be completely destabilizing on its own let alone the risk of war with the United States.

  • Riiiiiight.... This really illustrates the double standard and opposition to freedom of expression by Chinese leaders. Hollywood has had the US president appear as all sorts of unsavoury characters, from an utter buffoon to corrupt in numerous films and tv series. (As well as other Western allies, like the UK Prime Minister.) You don't see China complaining about that... It's not 'senseless cultural ignorance', it's just the sense of humour from a few writers. Maybe Chinese leaders should investigate their own senseless cultural ignorance too. Their wilful, state-enforced ignorance is just about as senseless as these films.

  • It seems that even the FBI's evidence isn't watertight. They only claimed [reuters.com] that the tools used were similar to attacks that had previously originated from North Korea.

    The FBI said technical analysis of malicious software used in the Sony attack found links to malware that "North Korean actors" had developed and found a "significant overlap" with "other malicious cyber activity" previously tied to Pyongyang. But it otherwise gave scant details on how it concluded that North Korea was behind the attack.

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  • The vicious mocking of Kim is only a result of senseless cultural arrogance.

    It's unusual to see such a blatant case of the pot calling the kettle black. North Korea's cultural arrogance just can't seem to comprehend that not everyone thinks as they do about mocking heads of State that do absurdly dumb things.

    For some bizarre reason, North Koreans seem to think that worshipping stupidity is a virtue. Idiocy deserves to be derided, and their leadership is chock full of idiots.

  • This "cyber" bullshit is getting out of hand...

  • ...about a stupid movie and a bunch of Hollywood execs and MORON ACTORS.

    They do not like the interent as it is, and this whole staged iodiocy is just another way to invent new ways to shut the internet down.

    Who gives a crap.

  • The attack was orchestrated from China and China is North Korea's benefactor; the attack is from China.
  • We're talking about a country (NK) that barely has anything remotely passable as a nuclear weapons program, and people consider them a threat? Over a movie. OVER A GODDAMN MOVIE.

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