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Mozilla Releases Thunderbird 2.0.0
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samzenpus
on Thu Apr 19, 2007 06:59 AM
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An anonymous reader writes "The Mozilla Corporation has released Thunderbird 2.0.0. Among the improvements are Message Tagging, updated UI, Advanced Folder Views, Better New Mail Notification and Full Support for Windows Vista and 64-bit versions of Windows."
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Good for them, but... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Good for them, but... (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Good for them, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Good for them, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
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IMAP (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe think before you write such generalising statements.
Monkeyboi
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Re:IMAP (Score:4, Informative)
Personally, on Windows, I use Outlook Express (set to not auto-preview emails), because thunderbird wasn't deleting mails from the server as it was supposed to (everything over 5 days old), and seemed to corrupt my mail local mail store every week or two (TBird 1.5). In BSD I use KMail.
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Re:IMAP (Score:5, Insightful)
POP3 is perfectly secure in SSL mode. IMAP is supposed to add some features, but is not inherently more secure than POP3.
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Re:Good for them, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Also I would hope the slashdot crowd use IMAP/SMTP, POP3 is terribly limited if you want to read your mail from more then one device.
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It keeps the server uncloged, and all my devices get my mail. The server is set to use encrypted transfer (including passwords), so it's secure as well.
Re:Good for them, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Everyone has to occasionally sort a mail by hand. With IMAP if I move a mail into a folder on one device it moves on all the other devices, with POP3 I have to move it on each device.
With IMAP I can see which mail I have already read from any device, this sounds simple, but for most people is very useful.
I can see that using less storage on the server could be vital. But for most people storing a mail once on the server is going be better then storing a copy on every client. I know my mail server has considerably more space then some of my clients (i.e. phone).
If I was worried about the privacy of my mail archive I would encrypt it, wherever it was stored.
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many of them
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How many people, aside from the slashdot crowd, actually use POP3/SMTP clients anymore (at home, not work)? Isn't some ridiculous amount like 90% using gmail/hotmail/yahoo mail/aol mail/etc?
I'd say only college kids and people who either pay for good indie ISPs (or run their own server) have the luxury of using actual non-http email services. For what it's worth, for most of the major online email providers, there's a service to scrape from the html interface - I used to use YoSucker back in the day when
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IMAP over SSL allows me to keep my INBOX synced between my work computer using portableapps, my HTC Wizard, and my computer at home. And because I run my own server. I still have more storage space Gmail too.
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Thunderbird also offers more filtering options than the web providers, for those who depend on filtering to keep their inbox sane.
My wife uses
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I'd rather let Gmail deal with filtering the SPAM first and then deal with the stuff that slips through.
Re:Good for them, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
2. Configuring a gmail account just got much easier in Thunderbird. Just go to Tools>Account Settings then click 'Add Account', select the account type as gmail, enter your name and gmail address and, uh, you're done. Lather, rinse and repeat for your 4 other gmail accounts.
3. gmail's spam folder is not accessed when you use POP3. You only get what "slips through."
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So far so good (Score:5, Informative)
The greatest thing with Thunderbird is its "simplicity" (do not confuse with "simple, bare minimum") it just very easy to get into and when you'r ready there is allot of usefull features that the advanced user appricate.
Having used 1.5 for a long period of time its also one of the more stable programs I'v use every day, havnt so far seen a crash or something that dosnt work as intended.
Wish list for stability and usability (Score:3)
Do you know whether they've fixed the mess that is "compacting folders" for TB2?
I got very bored of having to manually hack index files because something an end-user should never have to know about wasn't happening and TB 1.5 broke in various ways. I then discovered that you can make it auto-prompt to remind you to compact folders at l
Yikes! (Score:2, Funny)
Watch your back, Eudora for Windows 3.1!
64bit support? (Score:3, Interesting)
Compile your own 64-bit! Here's how : (Score:4, Funny)
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Painful marketing (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Painful marketing (Score:4, Funny)
1) How's the Mail.app importing?
2) Does it work with Spotlight
These are crucial questions that affect whether I even consider switching, and the info pages say nothing.
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Re:Painful marketing (Score:5, Informative)
So spotlight is broken, but that's been a feature request with much finger pointing for quite a while now. The built in search function is still pretty useless. No way to search all headers, or the entire mailbox including both headers and bodies, or to search multiple or all mail boxes in the same search. With 9 separate inboxes, it takes a while to find some poorly remembered email. Granted, I can always open a terminal, navigate to the directory, and perform some unix majic with grep and find, but that's a major blow to usability for their interface. It's not like people haven't been asking for a better search function since early days, but the developers have decided that people just shouldn't be searching their email. Eudora does it correctly, so my standards are not going to come down, maybe all the good TB developers will go over to Penelope.
There appear to still be bugs with the IPv6 implementation, both on the OSX and Linux versions. At least, there is still a config setting to disable IPv6 lookups.
Without too much regression testing, the old LDAP incompatibilities are still there. TB is pretty much useless in corporate settings using AD or other LDAP directory services.
The old indexing bugs haven't been addressed at all. After leaving TB running for a while, various inboxes highlight in blue to show new mail, but there isn't any. Sometimes a mailbox shows unread messages, but searching around doesn't turn up any. New messages sorted by procmail on the server aren't indexed properly if not seen first in an inbox.
The anti-phishing feature has always highlighted quite a few auto-generated emails and some client monthly mailings as suspect. I wish they would integrate some kind of baysian or learning or white-list features on that.
The completely separate address books, with no concept of either hierarchy or being attached to individual accounts (think friends&family, business contacts) is pretty 1993 in its thinking.
One of my biggest problems, is the inability to choose which outgoing SMTP service at the time of sending a message. Once again, Eudora got this right. Since I work in many locations, the ability to quickly change the outgoing SMTP setting without having to go to every account setting and changing it manually would be expected of a real email application.
The UI hasn't really improved at all over the 1.5 version. Sure, they've now hidden several spam controls in new places, and made a few other cosmetic improvements, but TB is still mostly unusable by ordinary users. There is still no way to make some commonly used functions into buttons on the main interface. That is the most asked for feature when I show people TB, how do they do their most common command with just a single button click.
Version 1.5 was really the first usable release, it should have been called 1.0. This is a minor bug fix release, count it as version 1.1, but there is NO major overhaul of either the functionality or usability.
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All I want *built in* is... (Score:2, Insightful)
2. An integrated Calendar
3. Exchange support a la evolution (even if it just supports a few features
I have introduced Thunderbird to my work place to a limited extent. But these features would allow me to push its introduction further.
Calendar plugin just announced on slashdot (Score:5, Interesting)
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vcal support? (Score:5, Insightful)
But the big hole is... (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not suggesting this is Mozilla's fault, I'm just stating what I understand to be the real stumbling block for TB - and TB2 hasn't fixed it. It's a real shame.
Incidentally, TB really didn't need an overhaul, as far as I could tell. Prolly one of the most stable apps I've used in a long time, and quite powerful enough. Still, I'll have a look...
Re:But the big hole is... Calendaring and contacts (Score:5, Insightful)
I use Thunderbird both at work and at home.
This release contains probably a lot of improvment under th hood but what really misses is:
For Mac OS X users like me, I would add:
This would be a proper 2.0 release.
I would also suggest also to write or improve extentions connecting TB with proeminents CRM software (Salesforce, Surgar CRM, ...).
PS: I tried Sunbird but was not convinced.
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This is what I posted... (Score:3, Funny)
This is going to ruin my Karma, but..... (Score:3, Interesting)
Thunderbird is an awesome IMAP/POP3 client super stable, really great to use - in an organization that uses Exchange a lot not being able to interface with Exchange properly was a real pain in the arse.
I had a real nightmare trying to use Evolution, it was very unstable, I reinstalled my workstation and did all sorts of stuff but I couldn't get it to be as stable as Thunderbird.
So I've started using a mac for email so I've got a Unix box I can use Exchange on.
Just don't get me started on sharepoint.....
cheers,
Alex
Thunderbird vs. Mail.app (Score:5, Interesting)
Thunderbird has been moving in the general direction of parity with Mail.app, but it isn't there yet. Mail.app still wins handily for its superior preferences menu layout which includes account info and mail filters all in one place. It's also integrated with the OS X address book and spell-checking dictionary. Once Leopard comes out, Mail.app will be integrated with the system-wide calendar process (another new Leopard feature).
And before anybody calls me a Mac fanboy, I still have a strong preference for Firefox over Safari. Safari is so light on features, especially those I take for granted with Firefox, that it's simply not usable (although Firefox should steal a feature or two from Safari to be even better).
Still no Sent / Received Date options (Score:5, Interesting)
This is based on a beta from a few weeks ago, feel free to correct me if they woke up between then and the release and fixed this issue.
newsreader changed? welcome to 1995 (Score:3, Interesting)
hardly anything has changed.
it still displays "Lines" instead of "Size". it also can't join posts like Outlook Express is able to.
why has the newsreader been left unchanged for so long? it looks and works the same (crappy) as it always had. hardly anything has changed since the mid 1990s.
Real Ninjas Use Thunderbird (Score:3, Funny)
Yes, I am a cool email ninja.
And you still can't import/export vCard files... (Score:3, Informative)
Tagging (Score:3, Informative)
Dan East
Broken (Score:3, Informative)
"Error opening file for writing: \r\n\r\nmozMapi32.dll\r\n\r\nClick Retry to try again, or \r\nCancel to stop the instalation"
Thanks guys...awesome new release.
Re:Broken (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Broken (Score:5, Informative)
Once I closed Skype (which is the only app I had running which uses the cam), it installed fine.
So, anyone know why Logitech is using the Mozilla API library?
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I've seen countless people use Thunderbird as a regular email client, that they use with their personal email.
Re:One wonders (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.citadel.org [citadel.org]
Citadel is a good candidate for an open source "Exchange killer" and it works nicely with Thunderbird. If you have the Lightning calendar extension, it works with that too, and you can also connect your address book. Those are the big three, of course, but it goes deeper than that...
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Re:OS X CPU Hog (Score:4, Informative)
I would Digg you down as inaccurate, but wrong site.
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The next Eudora will be a thunderbird respin. Just stick with Eudora, and it will turn into what you want.