'Star Trek: Enterprise' Cancelled? 842
Tycoon Guy writes "There seems to be no avoiding it this season: TrekToday is reporting that the Enterprise production crew has been told they will all be fired in March, after completing filming on another four episodes. If true, that leaves only very little time to participate in the Save Enterprise campaign. But even if Enterprise is cancelled, all may not be lost: Rick Berman said today he's working on a new Trek feature film that will have "a larger scope and budget" than ever."
Sad if true (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Sad if true (Score:5, Interesting)
Who didn't expect them to save Earth? (After all, without Earth, where would Kirk, et al be?) And who is going to come into a show they haven't been watching if they know it's about to start a year long story? I know I don't get into shows where I think I'll need to see it every week to keep up with it. (While you didn't need to watch every week for the Xindi arc, how would someone know that without watching?)
The 1 year arc was just a bad idea.
Bringing on Manny Coto was the best thing they did in the entire run of the series (putting Brannon Braga in charge was the worst). I just wish, after finally doing something good, they'd get out of the way and give it a few years.
On the other hand, wouldn't it be ironic if some other network tried to pick it up?
Joe Straczynski (who did Babylon 5) said he pitched an idea for a Trek series to Paramont. Maybe we'll be lucky and they'll let him do something good, since he's a proven talent.
Re: Joe Straczynski (Score:5, Funny)
OTOH Rick Berman can kiss my hairy butt. You could replace him with an baboon and get better results...
Re: Joe Straczynski (Score:3, Interesting)
A friend of mine who is a certain well know West Coast fazine fan once ended up at a party where Berman was at, and talk about a glory hog. He actually was confused that she did want his autograph...
Berman is a cancer in the Star Trek universe, and the sooner he is removed, the better for Trek. I mean, there is a good reason that Majel Barrett (Gene Roddenbury's wife) has had very little to do with Trek since Next Gen....
Now, getting JMS to take over Trek...that is as you said, too se
No, it wouldn't. (Score:3, Insightful)
Justin Rye's commentary [demon.co.uk] is a good place to start on it. At the bottom of most pages where it says "Star Trek does x wrong", it says "Babylon 5 did x right, and here's how".
For example, when the crew can beam onto the Borg ship, they can blast a few things with phasers, but don't think to bring, say, a five hundred megaton nuke into the center of the ship and set it to detonate as soo
Re:Sad if true (Score:3, Interesting)
Manny Coto was the executive producer and did a lot of the writing for the ill fated Odyssey 5 [sho.com]. The show had a weird but interesting concept, was intelligently done, was creative, and was one of the best SF shows I've seen in quite a while. It had a lot of geek appeal, but was still approachable to non-geeks. The entire cast was excellent.
Too bad it was the sort of thing that takes off slowly, and was probably killed by cable network executive goofs at Shotime in the first
Re:Sad if true (Score:5, Insightful)
Horrible Dilemma (Score:5, Funny)
If only someone would come up with a way to watch one of the shows while it was being broadcast, but watch the other show later. Some way of "capturing", if you will, the video signal as it travels through the air or down the wire. Oh well...
Friday Night: The nerd timeslot (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm convinced that this will happen into the forseeable future, because of the view networks have on the target audience of Sci-Fi shows. This thinking is as follows
Friday nights are prime party hours right?
People at parties aren't watching TV.
Nerds don't go to parties.
Therefore, all programming that appeals to nerds gets slapped into the friday night timeslot, while shows with broad demographics across the norm audience go in throughout the week.
Farscape? Check
Stargate? Check.
Enterprise? Check that
Firefly? Doublecheck.
This is just recent history too. I noticed this trend many many moons ago.
Re:Sad if true (Score:4, Funny)
Warf will be captaining Deep Space 9, Picard will be an admiral, Shatner will somehow show up, perhaps as his evil universe twin, while Janeway comes blasting out of the Epsilon quadrant to save the day. And of course the quantum leaper will time travel to the future to see it all with the help of his friend from the "Queer Eye for the Time-traveling Guy" department of a futuristic Federation. Then, at the last minute, Henry Winkler will show up on his motorocycle, and they'll shout "Fonz!".
Well, maybe Wheaton will get a chance to be onscreen, at least.
Re:Sad if true (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Sad if true (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Sad if true (Score:5, Funny)
They are extending the scope of the last Star Trek movie namely Nemesis.
They plan to kill off all of the cast members and replace them with retarded versions of themselves.
Re:Sad if true (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Sad if true (Score:3, Insightful)
Both UPN and the Star Trek franchise are owned by the same company. So it will never go to a competing network.
It's like saying that the next Mario game should be on PS2.
Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sick of having the next "Trek thing" shoved in front of me as though I'm supposed to care. Enough already.
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:3, Funny)
That being said, you're dead right.
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:5, Interesting)
What's really pathetic is that people are trying to mount another Save-the-Trek campaign. This isn't like saving TOS after its brilliant second. This is putting a rotten bastardization out of its misery.
Now Universal wants to do it right, they'll resist any urge to put on a show in the next few years. Instead, they'll look for new writers and producers, totally scrub the decks of every idiot that had any involvement in Enterprise, come up with a good episode-based show (no story arcs at all for the first season, let the viewers get used to the characters) and then, in three or four years begin production again.
I personally am very afraid that Enterprise may have fatally damaged the whole franchise, which at one time seemed quite capable of surviving disasters like Star Trek V. If they let the turds who produced and wrote Enterprise have a movie-sized budget, then they'll have a failure that will probably kill it.
So, set fire to the sets, fire anybody who so much as dotted and "i" or crossed a "t" on an Enterprise script and don't let them anywhere near a Star Trek-related development session of any kind, wait three or four years and start again.
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:5, Interesting)
You're a tougher man than I. They lost me in the first.
The abominable way they handled the Vulcans,
Fixed. T'Pol's "disease" is gone, and the Vulcans have rediscovered Kohlinar. The council is gone, replaced by what will eventually turn into the 'modern' Vulcan. The Forge was portrayed as it has been presented in the books.
the ludicrous Temporal crapola,
They slammed that to the side and got the *hell* rid of it at the beginning of the season. The new writers seem to despise the "Temporal war".
even bringing in the %#$^! Borg (like that card wasn't overplayed with Voyageer).
Totally gone. Zero Next Gen and beyond aliens. We do have the Orions (complete with the slave trade), a growing Klingon breakdown (to lead to the Klingon war?) and they carry the Vulcans and Andorians. In the Orion slave camps, you could also spot Tellarites in the background. Cutesy "a special episode" stuff is gone - story arcs are three episodes, and take place in pre-TOS time and conclude at the end.
Bad scripts, crappy actors, totally blowing the enormous possibilities of a pre-TOS series, it deserves cancellation.
And this season, they have seriously overhauled the show. I wouldn't watch the first seasons on DVD if they were a gift. This season, I'll happily buy. It's now the asskicking, green alien chicks and Vulcan alien mysticism of TOS with better effects, not the inbred self-referential repetitive crap of the beginning of the series.
--
Evan
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:3, Funny)
Are you a python programmer?
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:5, Insightful)
Agreed. One of the things that was starting to annoy me with the Star Trek series was that the story was being lost to technology. With each new season, they continued to progress so quickly with technology that they could not keep consistency in their universe. When I first heard of it, I looked at Enterprise as a burst of fresh air. Yes, we knew what was going to happen (mostly), but that would just allow us to get more into the characters and the world around them. Instead, they added advanced technology and disrupted the universe.
Why do so many TV show and movie makers think that Sci-Fi is exclusively about technology? Good Sci-Fi uses the technology as a backdrop to character development and asking interesting questions. Technology is a vehicle not the destination.
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:3, Funny)
But, Berman said the Time Travel and Holodeck episodes were the best ones on TNG. He LOVED them!
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:3, Insightful)
They give writers and actors an opportunity to put much-beloved characters in a different environment. It gives them a chance to play "what if", like watching Superman and Batman fight.
The Holodeck could be used the same way as well, but it never worked, possibly because they started with a "the holodeck is f*ed up" episode before they used it pro
You're not alone... (Score:5, Insightful)
As a Star Trek fan, call me a trekkie, trekker, whatever(and no I don't dress like a klingon), who's watched the original series, TNG, DS9, Voyager, this man(Berman), has simply destroyed this franchise.
I hope they cancel this show for good and Berman never works with sci-fi again. The man has no idea what he's doing. The storylines are so bad high school seniors can come up with better storylines.
Let some FRESH ideas from some FRESH new people make it to the screen/TV.
Re:You're not alone... (Score:3, Interesting)
Top;ess T'Pol calendar ! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:You're not alone... (Score:5, Interesting)
Season 1 of The Next Generation was beyond awful.
Season 2 was almost good.
Season 3 was when it became worth watching, when Dr. Crusher was brought back (in spite of Roddenberry's strong objections), and more and more control of the show was being passed to Rick Berman.
He's also one of the guys behind the stealing of B5's ideas to create DS9, which was probably the best of all five Trek shows.
Sure, everything he's touched since then has been terrible, but the franchise he destroyed is one which he helped build.
Credit where credit's due, that's all I'm sayin'.
Re:You're not alone... (Score:5, Informative)
GR fell ill of cancer around when TNG was released. GR was responsible for much of season one's suckiness. GR was a true sci-fi fan, who was more concerned with philosophic themes than entertainment. He also harbored a grudge against TV execs making his reign with the original series difficult. (You know, violence & T&A.)
Example: He thought that in the future, people would be more enlightened and think out situations before moving to action. So in the 1st season, you saw a lot of committees before anything was done. The betazed(?) was the other one. Human's, being emotional beings, would need to have all sorts of warm fuzzy, new agey crap to keep an even keel. Thus every starship would have a shrink. While Marina Sirtis provided a T&A quota, I couldn't stand her granola eating, "I have feelings, don't do what is necessary if it wipes out some bystanding aliens", blah, blah, blah.
Basically, TNG season one was the universe run by a 60's hippee liberal utopia. That was what GR forsaw. It might have made him happy, but it sucked dogsh*t for entertainment. Think of GR like that Trek episode where Kirk gets split into a good Kirk and a bad Kirk. Call the good Kirk "science fiction excellence" and the bad Kirk "soulless entertainment". Eg - Arthur C. Clarke makes excellent, dispassionate, cerebral sci-fi, but you can't really make any of his books into movies, they are so subtle. Bad Kirk is obvious, "zero artistry and logical consistency, but lots of space battles and crewwomen in miniskirts". You really need both, or the show sucks from either extreme.
So, Roddenberry called the shots in the first season, became fatally ill, and had to hand over the reigns to Berman. Whallah, more space battles, more T&A, more engaging stories, less sermonizing propaganda, less Wesley = entertaining show.
Don't get me wrong. I loved Roddenberry, TOS and even his other sci-fi spinoff (Final Earth?). But TNG season one sucked crap, and it was because of Roddenberry. Berman did a wonderful job salvaging TNG, and his mediocrity and desire to be popular allowed DS9 to steal themes from B5 and let DS9 be the series it was. But Berman has sucked the Trek franchise dry with Voyager & Enterprise, and has to go; much like a great ballplayer who is on the decline of his career.
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:5, Interesting)
Berman isn't the problem- rehashing is (Score:5, Insightful)
I know everyone loves to bash Berman, but to be honest, the problem isn't him. Rather, after twenty seasons of Star Trek, pretty much every plot had already been exhausted. If you think he was the first to recycle material, well- how many times did the crew get "trapped" in a holodeck world in ST:TNG?
There's a reason many call it Soap In Space. It's been formulaic and recycled for almost twenty years. The real problem is that the whole ST formula has completely worn out to the extent that no Vulcan sexiness will bring it back.
Rick Berman is the Devil, I want him dead. (Score:5, Insightful)
You're confusing "honest" with misinformed/delusional.
I've been a Berman hater since 1991. Why? Because of a magazine article I have where he explains all that he thinks that is wrong with Star Trek. He basically lists all the reason why Star Trek became a phenomenon instead of a forgotten low-budget campy sci-fi show.
He hates the humanist message.
He hates the bridge cammaraderie.
He hates the para-military Starfleet mainly in charge of commercial space travel, exploration and self defense.
He hates the techno-eutopia of earth.
He hates the idea that humanity could grow and become better than it is now.
He hates the entire message that Gene Roddenberry gave us.
He then described how he thought Star Trek should be, and you know what it was? Exactly what the first 3 years of Enterprise was: Darker, lower tech, on-ship conflicts, etc.
When Gene Roddenberry died, they had a bust of him made. That bust was in Rick Berman's office, with a blindfold and earplugs on, because he damn well knew that Gene would not approve of what he was doing to his creation.
And you know what? The fans don't approve either, the commercial partners don't approve, the ratings don't approve.
The only reason his endaevours haven't COMPLETELY tanked is because of the recognizable brand-name. He's been riding the inertia of Star Trek's past quality, but he's been making nothing but crap since.
Rick Berman must die. Nothing short of this will save Star Trek: It's in the hands of am egomaniac who's been twisting something beloved by generations of sci-fi fans into his lame, insipid vision.
Had he made these shows from scratch instead of abusing a known setting, he would never had made it past a single season.
Actually (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Rick Berman is the Devil, I want him dead. (Score:3, Insightful)
I think the problem with a lot of those things is they must make it very hard to tell interesting stories. ST:TNG brought back Sc-Fi to the small screen, but watching it now, man a lot of it sucks, and is dull and predictable. It was already recycling it's own plots.
Characters need some flaws to be interesting, humans who are better than us, a lack of conflict between the main characters, a utopia Earth are all pretty dull. You can't get much out of them.
If I had to write with those limitations, I'd hat
Re:Rick Berman is the Devil, I want him dead. (Score:3, Interesting)
Yeah, I'm more o
Re:Rick Berman is the Devil, I want him dead. (Score:3, Insightful)
I think you're right and I think he needs to die.
And by the way, the simple fact that Battlestar Galactica rocks and Star Trek is terrible should tell everyone that the world has turned upside down. If someone had told me twenty years ago that I'd be getting
Re:Rick Berman and Star Trek (Score:5, Funny)
Ah yes, but remember Rick Berman made them. The moment you went to bite said cookie a tachion beam would strike the tasty morsel causing a time rift. You'd have the raw incredients of sugar, hydrogenated palm oil, colour and flavour dripping on your chin. Then you'd have to defeat the Borg (again) to get the cookie back to its baked state.
Definate maybe. (Score:5, Interesting)
Note that's not actually a denial that the show is about to be cancelled, however, so let's proceed assuming that it is on the chopping block. Can't say I'd be too surprised by that -- once Enterprise got in the Friday night timeslot-'o-doom, it was definately on the road to rerunville. Oh well. Ever since I got my TiVO, I've come to view watching TV as having X amount of time each week to sit and veg with the shows I like, and frankly I can use the extra time to spend on more deserving shows.
Enterprise got quite a bit better the last two seasons, but it never actually got very good. In a lot of ways, it's like watching a clumsy kid playing sports or President Bush giving a speech -- you know they're going to screw up, so each minute that they don't is like a little victory. Given that, it's hard for me to imagine that there are actually people looking to save the series. I mean, why?
At least they waited until Battlestar Galactica got started up -- now there's a show I actually look forward to. Frankly, Enterprise only stayed on my viewing schedule into season 3 because I was too lazy to remove the series record from my TiVO.
Re:NEEDED: Sci-fi business model (Score:5, Informative)
what moron (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd rather gnaw my arm off than sit through an episode of it.
In fact, I would gnaw my arm off to get OUT of sitting through an episode of it.
And Berman needs to be shot for what he's done.
Re:what moron (Score:5, Informative)
Re:what moron (Score:3, Insightful)
regardless of whether many people sat through seasons 1-2 (obviously many didn't), those that did have been rewarded and woudl like to see the series continue.
by the way, if you think Enterprise is bad, i highly suggest you go back and watch seasons 1 and two of TNG
Re:what moron (Score:3)
Should we have not waited and canceled that show?
Finally (Score:2, Funny)
WTF? (Score:2)
Re:WTF? (Score:5, Funny)
I'm agreeableistic. Propositively disintegretitilyist. ...-ish. ...-able.
Re:WTF? (Score:2)
interesting.... (Score:3, Informative)
I was really hoping for it to continue, season 4 is by far the best.
Re:interesting.... (Score:5, Funny)
I. See. Four. Episodes!
My heartfelt condolences ... (Score:5, Funny)
The budget is not the problem, Rick. (Score:2)
Fire yourself and hire some new writers that don't hash the same tired stories and ideas.
Enterprise was back? (Score:2)
I am only partially joking.. after the last 2 dismal seassons, i really didnt even bother watching if it wasnt on when i sat at the tv..
Just wasnt worth the trouble...
A great idea, with a lot of promise, was killed off early by what ever moron was writing/controlling the show.
Only one reason for a larger budget... (Score:2)
Very sad (Score:3, Interesting)
To paraphrase Perry Farrell... (Score:2)
It's not bad - it's ambitious! (Score:2)
That's written to sound as if poor concepts and ambitious concepts are mutually exclusive, when in fact they are quite likely to be closely correlated.
noo. (Score:2)
no please dont. they said this everytime since ST VII.
How many viewers can you get (Score:2)
Granted, it's a few more than "The Simpsons" and a few less than "West Wing", but c'mon! A typical season is 24 episodes. This is about the middle of the season, so there should be more available.
All that being said, the last season (and this one) aren't bad. The mini-arcs (3 episode stories) is a great idea and allow you to miss a few episodes without feeling completely left out.
Abandon all hope. (Score:2)
Might as well have stopped right there. If Berman's working on it, all is lost.
Replace Berman with "J. Michael Straczynski" and I would have continued reading.
Larger scope and budget? (Score:2)
2) Larger scope? For years, the trek people have strived to grab the biggest scope in effort to make their series mean something. Borg, time, ect... Refer to #1 for what they can focus on instead.
Oh come on, cut the sensational CRAP out. (Score:3, Informative)
"Enterprise showrunner Manny Coto today denied a rumour that crew members had already been told of the show's cancellation."
Not only is the article based on a rumor, it was officially denied.
"As to the crew being let go in March," Coto said, "we've always been scheduled to finish production in March!" A DUH.
If they want to cancel it fine, just don't play this stupid media OH NO game slashdot. Please & Thank you.
Yo Grark
Good riddance. (Score:2)
It's frustrating to see a good idea butchered so badly. I turned it on this week and it's another transporter episode! This series has done as much ill to the Trek franchise as Star Trek 5 did. (Well, okay maybe not that much--after all there was Voyager.) Oh, and I know I'm going to burn some karma here, but I know I'm not alone in feeling this way.
Re:Good riddance. (Score:3, Interesting)
Archer and crew are fracked. (Score:5, Insightful)
Even so, it's a better show than Enterprise (Score:3, Interesting)
It had some GOOD episodes, the writers showed some promise and the show probably stands a good chance of being canceled now that the writing has taken a downward turn. As a result, we won't have to put up with the years of promos that Enterprise has subjected us to, and will have a reduced risk of running across it while chanel surfing.
And the good episodes even give it a decent viewer base to rely on should the w
All may not be lost? (Score:2, Funny)
If you don't think that's a reason to despair, you obviously haven't seen ST:Nemesis.
Let it go (Score:5, Interesting)
I was even going to do a version of their theme-song telling them it was time to lay it down for a while.
season 4 is great (Score:5, Interesting)
Time to shoot Ol' Yeller (Score:2)
Hello, editors? (Score:5, Informative)
So what I want to know is, did anyone at Slashdot even READ the fine article before a story about it?
Damn (Score:2)
Bad writing and a bad captain (Score:2)
Good riddance.
A larger scope is probably the best thing. (Score:2)
The problem with movies like Insurrection and Nemesis - to name a few - was that in the end it was one ship vs one ship and the whole feeling of this bustling galaxy was gone. Sure, the Enterprise alone verses the Scimitar was pretty coo
Good Riddence! (Score:2)
Save Campaign? (Score:2)
What I would propose is an entirely new show - call it.. "Star Trek - Federation" and have it be about the folks back at home at the time voyager was lost. It could follow attempts to get them back from the delta quadrant, as well as explore other ships and missions based at federation central. Lots of opportunity for new show ideas, lots of cast and a showcase of earthbound 24th century techn
Let it lie fallow (Score:5, Insightful)
Instead of dragging out ideas that were rejected for TNG, DS9, and Voyager (and we all know of more than a few stinkers that made it there anyways), they should just stop making the stuff for a while. Give the fans a chance to hunger again. Then, perhaps in 2009 or so, crank up the machine and have at it again.
But, as long as there's a buck to be bled out of the franchise, they'll probably instead just keep cranking out crap. That's a truism in our vertically integrated Hollywood these days. Heck, /.ers might like to pick on them, but the fact is that you don't even need B & B to ruin it anymore...
Make a reality show (Score:5, Funny)
A house full of goofy retards who dress and act like ST characters and pretend to have a real life.
Go ahead mod me, I got more.
Good season (Score:3, Insightful)
Uneven show (Score:4, Interesting)
Then this awful, awful storyline on Soong's mutants or whatever. Almost too painful to watch. Terrible, terrible, terrible.
Then the Vulcan thing - pretty good again. But, alas, that storyline seems to have come to a somewhat abrupt close.
I haven't seen the latest episode. Tivo tells me it's about transporter technology or something. I wish they could have extended the Vulcan thing, I think there is some good stuff to explore there.
I just think the show has been uneven, not horrible, when you average the good and the bad you kind of end up on the good side of "meh." I am "Berman agnostic" - quite honestly I don't know or care why people hate him so. I enjoy what I enjoy and I think it will be too bad if Enterprise dies, and I certainly think there is more ground to explore in the Stark Trek future.
Please Don't Feed the Berman (Score:5, Interesting)
WHAT?!!? (Score:5, Funny)
I will never forgive them (Score:5, Insightful)
You know...how the "bad intolerant Vulcans" wanted to oppress a minor group of Vulcans who couldn't help the fact that they could mind meld...they were just born that way!
The analogy was as clever as a knock knock joke as as obvious as a Mack truck sitting in your living room. It blew hundreds of episodes of Vulcan lore and mythology for a poor imitation of the Trek of years past.
Let's take a look at how the real Trek series handled controversial issues. TOS has the half-black/half-whites fighting the half-white/half-blacks. Still a classic and balls out the most in-your-face episode about racism I think I've seen in sci-fi. You could put the most inbred confederate-flag-waving Klan member down in front of that episode and he'd be the one who laughs and says what a ridiculous notion is was.
TNG was I think the first to tackle the issue of homosexuality where Riker visits that unisex planet and discovers that sometimes people are born with a sex, and have to hide it. The unisex angle was reallly smart because even a conserative Christian could understand what it would be like if they were stripped of their sexual identify (especially since they are very big on enforcing sexual identity, girls dress/act one way, boy's another). Even at a time where gay rights issues were barely on the map, that episode raised a very valid what-if that applied to any viewer.
DS9, while making it an obvious pandering to ratings by scheduling the episode during sweeps, also I think did good work with the Jax/lesbian episode. The issue was touched on earlier when Beverly Crusher fell in love with the first Trill/symbiote on a TNG episode, but at the end when the symbiote was put in a female host, it was a sad end to the relationship. DS9 took the other direction, where Jax still felt love despite the change and had a relationship with a woman. I don't know if this was the first lesbian kiss on television or not...but it wsa definitely something that riled people up. Still a little pandering tho...I mean, the symbiote could have just as easily been in an older less attractive female host...
Back to Enterprise. All Berman/Braga did was take the most generic tale of gay oppression and replace all instances of the word "people" with "Vulcan" and "sex" with "mind meld".
Somehow, I don't see this episode as becoming the theme song for the gay rights movement. What it did too was take all of the nobility and enlightenment of the previous four seasons worth of Vulcans and flush it down the toilet. The Vulcans who showed up on Earth back in First Contact were supposed to be these enlighted souls who had unified their planet after decades of war, who had turned away from emotion that let to nothing but conflict and embraced pure logic, who had conquered space and really owned the galaxy as far as it had been explorered.
Now, thanks to Berman/Braga, the Vulcan's are no better than humans, there's civil war, people getting high on emotions, racism/meldism, leaders using terrorism as a pretext for wiping out followers of another religion (cough cough, gee I wonder what analogy that is)
It's enough to make Sarak role in his future grave and make any Trek fan vomit in disgust. If there's anything that Trek fans would consider sacriledge, I have to believe it's turning the Vulcans into the squabbling mess that Enterprise depicts.
I'd rather watch a series that followed the life and times of the Voyager Borg kids than watch a single episode of Enterprise.
-JoeShmoe
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Re:I will never forgive them (Score:4, Insightful)
The fact that these two warring races were essentially identical and that it was pointed out (by dialog in the episode) how silly it was to fight over something as trivial as skin color...that's not commentary on racism? That was an accident?
Well, sorry to break it to you, but guess what: it wasn't an accident. Read any interview with the writers and producers. They wanted to do an episode that dealt with black/white racism, as Trek was really quite revolutionary for its time having Asian, Russian, and black women on the cast. They wanted to do an episode about it, but we afraid that if they made an episode about black versus white, it would never make it on the air. The half-and-half concept was a brilliant way to have the exact same episode and fly under the controversy radar.
Oh and by the way: If the mind-meld episode had nothing to do with gay rights, as you content, why did they end the episode with a message from a gay tolerance group and a phone number to call for assistance?
-JoeShmoe
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It's dead, Jim (Score:3, Funny)
What follows is just my opinion but I liked Star Trek better before it got so preachy and, for lack of a better word, pussified. Every so often you just have to say screw the prime directive and stick a photon torpedo up some mofo's tailpipe.
Next Trek Movie is Doomed (Score:5, Funny)
Time for a new direction: Klingons (Score:5, Interesting)
Set at the point soon after Klingons join the Federation, two human Starfleet cadets are assigned to a Klingon ship. It would be the ultimate culture clash.
Klingons have a wide appeal, such as football and wrestling fans.
Rumor false ... for now (Score:3, Informative)
This has been a good season, so it was nice so see this Slashdot story contradicted by this:
So at least this season will stick around. Of course writing a letter in support of the series can't hurt.
Gave Up A Long Time Ago (Score:4, Interesting)
Just let go of star trek (Score:4, Insightful)
Employ Wil Wheaton!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh, or better yet... a new warp drive has been invented that appears to be able to traverse interstellar space and they need a crew to test drive it---so they point it at M33 and... No, not invented, that one that was "discovered" in the Gamma quadrant by Janeway and her crew...
Of course something goes horribly wrong... etc.
Not suggesting this because I hate Mr. Wheaton, of course.. but wouldn't it be cool to get him a job again NOT to mention the fact that many geek fans LOVE him. Not the ST:TNG character, as much, because he was a kid playing a role the best that he could written by adults who didn't know what they were doing.
Hm. I guess we'd have to get rid of Berman for that to ever happen, huh??
For crying out loud! (Score:4, Insightful)
Why not a season earlier?
Seriously. Enterprise is the wrost Trek series of all times, and that includes the future. The first two season were - though not exactly great - acceptable. But the third season was just unbearable. This whole Xindi thing was just plain stupid.
I for one would applaude the cancellation of this show. As others have said before, the franchise needs a break. Then, in perhaps 20 years time, we will see the likes of TNG and DS9 again.
TrekToday Says Coto Denies Cancellation Rumor (Score:3, Informative)
TrekToday is actually reporting the showrunner's, Manny Coto, denial of the cancellation rumor. Rather the opposite of the Slashdot tease.
As for the alleged March production crew layoffs, Coto says Enterprise production always ends in March.
I really was enjoying this season (Score:4, Interesting)
I think Scott Bakula makes an excellent captain for the show. My biggest complaint is how some (all?) of the episodes have become mirrored controversial topics of today. All the cloning and intolerance of this and that... whatever. I'm sick of political correctness propaganda.
thank god the misery is over! (Score:3, Insightful)
that show has f*cking sucked since the 3rd episode. struggle after stuggle, from blalock's emotional bleed-through and crack whorage on the space-drugs, and scott bakula's transformation from an incredible actor into a stilted hack, this show was doomed from the beginning. they alienate the hell out of trek fans, especially the older ones, with their horrible inconsitancies and poor background research, piss-poor dialogue and incompetant directing.
it started when rick berman and brannon braga made the borg sexy. they were the scariest foe in trek history until they gave the borg boobs-- and big 'uns. with voyager, you could really see the beginning of the decline as the budget increased and the amount of fabric or jeri ryan's body decreased. they have trivialized everything that was meaningful about trek and change the whole concept of it. it used to be about peace and diplomacy and scientific discovery. confrontation was rare, but certainly necessary, but only when it was necessary was it used. now you see everyone blowing EVERYTHING up because that's what get's the masses of america to turn on and tune in: boobs and lasers and explody spacebourne objects.
the sad thing is that you can tell that some of the actors really tried hard to make the show better by acting better only to finally give up. poor john billingsly. theonly good actor on the show, and he has such a small presence.
let us not forget poor Mayweather (as it seems the writers have). why is he there? just to fill space? why would they cast a regular actor if they're never going to give him any meaningful involvment in but a few episodes?
if you ask me (which you didn't, but whatever), this show has only ber-maga and the writers to blame. the fans tried and tried to save it, but they were the only onse being ignored. HA! that's what u get.
ugh, and the theme song...
FUD FUD FUD (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.saveenterprise.com/sfxrumor.htm
I quote:
Popular British Science Fiction Magazine reported Enterprise set crew being fired in March.
According to SFX, supposed set spy "Trekspy" who works on Enterprise's set is due to be out of a job by March. "Trekspy" may be out of a job, but our sources confirm that this is NOT due to Enterprise being cancelled.
Our source say although UPN can pull the plug on the show anytime, the current plan on the set is to continue through the planned 22 episodes this season. The article is correct in that the last episode of the season (episode 22) will conclude principle photography in early March.
Manny Coto has also told TrekToday "It's another inane rumour. Right now, the crew is building the sets for episodes 20-21, which I'm writing. Rick [Berman] and Brannon [Braga] are writing episode 22, which is going to be fantastic!"
Re:Wouldn't be so bad (Score:2)
From the article:
I read that as: "Star Trek XVI: The Phantom Holodeck", to be followed by "Star Trek XVII: Attack of the Scriptwriters", and "Star Trek XVIII: Revenge of Berman".
Sounds pretty terrible to me.
Re:used to be a fan... (Score:4, Interesting)
What legacy? Roddenberry never did anything especially impressive. The original series' strength was the writers he managed to get (and who've publicly grumbled about how much credit he took for the things they did). His premise wasn't especially original, and he failed to actually come up with a consistent backstory to the series, which is why there were so many continuity errors and ambiguities.
The next generation's success was also due to the writers (and the design department). The less he had to do with it the better it got. The show's best seasons appeared after he died.
Bashing a WWII hero huh? Classy... (Score:4, Insightful)
Not to mention fighting with studio execs of the 60's to have a multicultural crew, having a woman in a technical job, on the bridge, and a black woman at that!
He never did anything particularly impressive? sheesh.
Re:The format is a little tired (Score:5, Insightful)
A popular theme here seems to be that Star Trek is worn out, tired, needs rest.
This is ridiculous. You got a space ship and an infinite universe, and you can't think of any original story lines? This is simply poor writing. Bring in good people and Star Trek could change tomorrow.
Lets see...
Voyager was about a ship lost in space, evading aliens and trying to get back to earth.
Battlestar Galactica is about...err..a ship lost in space, evading aliens and trying to get back to earth.
The reason only one of those sucks is the writing, producing, directing.