California Should use Open Source and VoIP 109
Albanach writes "ZDNet is reporting that a report from independent auditors and experts has recommended that the State of California adopts open source software and Voice over IP as part of a series of moves that, the report says, could save the state $32 billion over five years. Additionally, they recommend the State establishes a centralised technology division to handle all their IT needs reducing redundancy and generating further savings."
Dupe (Score:5, Informative)
Nonetheless (Score:2, Interesting)
I am curious about the potential software-patent ramifications of having open source software adopted by state governments.
If the adoption is made, and open source code is widely and successfully integrated in one or more state governments, and THEN a legitimate software patent on some new technology prevents the state from being able to make use of the new technology, could this add any weight to the re-examination of the software patent issues in America?
Or will it just cause t
Re:Nonetheless (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Nonetheless (Score:2, Insightful)
No IT department? (Score:5, Insightful)
Does that mean that they did not have an IT department before? I quess they had one for each location/unit, but even that thought seems rediculously ludacrus.
Not really (Score:1, Insightful)
spelling suggestions (Score:1, Funny)
Governmental Divison (Score:5, Informative)
There are reasons FOR this, since a lot of departments are forbidden by law to share resources ( funding sources ) and information ( privacy ).
Is this stupid? Perhaps in many cases, ( not all but many ) but its the way things often work in any governmental situation.
Re:No IT department? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:No IT department? (Score:4, Funny)
That right there increases the efficiency of the state government!
Re:No IT department? (Score:1, Insightful)
Hear me now and believe me later. (Score:5, Funny)
Jah.
Jah.
And VOIP be ooh so sexy.
CA using open source (Score:5, Insightful)
Isn't that how these stories always end?
-Rob L Dreene
Re:CA using open source-and in conclusion... (Score:4, Funny)
When I search for things (Score:3, Interesting)
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/13/13
Must be the season for dups.
In a related story... (Score:2)
Open source and redundancy (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Open source and redundancy (Score:2)
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reducing redundancy (Score:2)
Ja, I vant centralized control (Score:5, Funny)
B: But, Governor, won't the people object?
A: Ja... so, throw some buzzwords to confuse them. Like that open source thing. And add VoIP to the list. We'll call it Sky(pe)Net.
We know (Score:4, Interesting)
A billion here a billion there and pretty soon your talking about real money - Sen. Everett Dirkson
Re:We know-Oracle swap. (Score:2)
Re:We know (Score:2)
California != Efficient (Score:1)
A beautiful exercise in controlled chaos!
Re:California != Efficient (Score:2)
I am a reasonably intelligent person earning a decent living, so I get to pay infinately more in CA state taxes than the illegal aliens who are living a couple miles away and sucking up school, hospital, and other resources paid for by citizens.
Another Dupe... (Score:2)
NMCI (Score:1)
Ahh, this would be like the Navy saving money with the Navy-Marine Corps Intranet.... Well, when viewed against that as a model, it's clear that they'll save money.
*evil laugh*
Typical (Score:3, Interesting)
Not that the average person cares much about trifles like the multi-billion dollar gap between Windows-imbedded programs and open source, but it would be a nice token gesture.
Lots of VoIP is open source (Score:2, Insightful)
Public code, written laws and software in court (Score:5, Interesting)
That software, DissoMaster [cflr.com], does not show its work on how it calculated the child support based on whatever given input. Currently, there is no way to appeal those calculation because that process is "closed." The input on the software is not verified. Anybody can enter any kind of input and have the software spit out some amount for which the court then deteremines as the amount to pay.
"The typical model for software acquisition in state government involves the purchase of closed source software solutions from the major vendors. Closed source software is any software whose source code is hidden from the public view. Under most licenses the user cannot modify the program or redistribute it."
br> I tried to contact CFLR to gain the source code to show exactly how the court erred in more than a 500 offset of the calculation. CFLR did not responde to my many attempt to contact them.
We can tell that such closed source software can be easily abused. The software didn't take in account many factors. It needs to be greatly improved. Not only does the input need to be verified, but the work needs to be shown so that parents can rebut the calculations for any factors that did not into the equation. We need to put the democracy back into the software the court uses by open source regulations and exclude privatization of such code. Any software code used in the court room needs to be as public as every other written law.
Re:Public code, written laws and software in court (Score:1)
Re:Public code, written laws and software in court (Score:2)
Re:Public code, written laws and software in court (Score:1)
Re:Public code, written laws and software in court (Score:2)
I have issues with government agencies that can basically tell you to do something or that you owe something and give you no rights for appeal. Sounds like the family deal in California is that way. In Iowa, the DNR is like that (careful not to have them fly over your land during a flood to declare it a "wetland").
Re:Public code, written laws and software in court (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Public code, written laws and software in court (Score:2)
Re:Public code, written laws and software in court (Score:2)
Re:Public code, written laws and software in court (Score:2)
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Disclaimer: I used to do a bit of programming for a municipal hospital and have likely insulted my own work.
Everything official judgement has a formula (Score:2)
If the Software fails the audit, it will be reported back to the agency.
Now if you want to a
Re:Everything official judgement has a formula (Score:1)
OSS would allow, as it has in the past, an open protocol to which agencies that report income and expense infor
Now if only... (Score:3, Funny)
[NOTE: Just a little sarcastic tone, nothing bad meant]
Not only will it save money for California (Score:2, Interesting)
VOIP - does anyone use it that likes it? (Score:3, Interesting)
I recently called d-link tech-support, I suspected they were using VOIP because the audio quality sucked. I actually asked the tech guy and he said yes, they were using VOIP and everyone hated it but the company was holding fast on it.
So my question is, if VOIP sucked back a few years ago, and still sucks now, why adopt it? Does anyone like it? Is the savings worth the fact that your customers don't like and your employees don't like it?
Re:VOIP - does anyone use it that likes it? (Score:3, Insightful)
--Richard
Re:VOIP - does anyone use it that likes it? (Score:3, Interesting)
At home my initial problem was simply lack of bandwidth. Internally I've moved to 1Gbit LAN and have a _solid_ 10Mbit wireless uplink to the Internet [full duplex]. This is where the problem came in with the ro
Re:VOIP - does anyone use it that likes it? (Score:2)
Re:VOIP - does anyone use it that likes it? (Score:3, Informative)
My brother went over to Vonage a couple of months ago, and the sheer audio quality is brilliant... especially on trans Atlantic calls (back here to the UK).
Mind, him having a 5Mbit Optimum Online account probably helps avoid any latency/speed issues (unless the systems goes down).
Re:VOIP - does anyone use it that likes it? (Score:2)
Re:VOIP - does anyone use it that likes it? (Score:5, Informative)
My former workplace, a county government, is in the process of switching everyone over to VoIP. A lot of the employees are in one building and so sit on the gigabit backbone throughout the building. They also employed traffic shapers to make sure that VoIP traffic had priority.
Saying all that, the quality was excellent. It was rare to have any glitches, and at the time we had close to a thousand of the employees on it. I even had a Cisco softphone on my laptop that I used to make calls while connected over VPN from another country that was crystal clear.
I think, if you have the bandwidth and the sysadmins for it, it is a wonderful technology. But I wouldn't use it at home unless I had a dedicated pipe coming in.
Re:VOIP - does anyone use it that likes it? (Score:2)
No, it has almost nothing to do with the bandwidth...
The slowest network connections you'll find in a corporate environment, are more than fast enough to support thousands of VoIP calls.
The primary issue is having admins that setup QoS properly. Your home DSL/Cable line should be more than good enough to support a half-dozen concurrent conversations (unless you have a very unreliable ISP in the first place).
Re:VOIP - does anyone use it that likes it? (Score:2)
We have the PBX registered with SIPPhone, IAXTel and FWD, but we use VoIP over Internet only to talk to friends, and the jitter sometimes is very audible.
How to sell it out to the public. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:How to sell it out to the public. (Score:2)
Bill Gates: I'll be back.
California should stop specifying implementation (Score:3, Insightful)
What the fuck should they care if their payroll is done in Perl on Linux or COBOL on MV/JCL as long as it hits the budget number?
Let the contractor pocket the difference, or negotiate a lower price.
Re:California should stop specifying implementatio (Score:5, Insightful)
Wife is Employed by CA (Score:4, Interesting)
If Novell could make embed OOO into their groupware, that would be the ticket.
Re:Wife is Employed by CA (Score:1)
And if I could make fucky fucky I be in boom boom movie.
What do you mean by OOO? OpenOffice.org (OO.o) or Out of Order, OoO? AFAIK OOO doesn't mean anything, but YMMV.
OSS is Transparent & Responsible (Score:4, Insightful)
Government solutions should be for the benefit of all the populace. Hidden Source software resells the same solution over and over again. Why not solve it once for everyone.
The security and savings are far more than beneficial to the average voter than the millions spent by special lobby groups. I wish this was more widely known.
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I forget, who wrote BSD? (Score:2)
Was that (University of California at) B(erkeley) S(tandard) D(istribution)? (What is `Berkeley Software Design'?)
And what did the University of Helsinki ever produce?
Re:I forget, who wrote BSD? (Score:1)
Well Duh! (Score:3, Interesting)
1. His Honerable Socialist Chairperson Muckety Muck in LA country insists on using his laptop. The network traffic produced by the viral infected thing screws VoIP up for the county.
2. Expect to see the regional bell SBC sue the state, and insist that it should be paid for a percentage of VoIP traffic that travels over the network
3. Expect legislation and/or rules designed to take the software that you and I pay for through taxes, and give it to some company/cousin of the grand high supervisor elect assistants manager of garbage collection.
Have you ever been in a state that has so many damn managers and so few people actually working? If California was a company it would be ripe for a "re-structuring". Most sucessful restructures cut out middle management and promote a lean work force (ie we kept the people that actually did something). At the end of the day, what will make or break California is it's citizens. The more services that they demand from their state, without wanting to pay for them, or help in any way the worse off they will be.
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AngryPeopleRule
You know what I love about VoIP? (Score:3, Informative)
I love it because I can not answer my phone and then tell the person that was trying to call that the phone system had crashed.
I also love it when it decides to just disconnect my phone conversations in the middle of a
It's like using a mobile phone, only without the convience of being wireless.
I want my POTS back. I want a phone that works when nothing else does. I want a phone with 99.99999% uptime, because it turns out that a phone with 97.2% uptime really, really sucks. You wouldn't think it, but those couple of percentage points are the difference between critical tool and useless gadget.
This would be perfect for government agencies, who really don't want any contact with the people they're supposed to be dealing with, but can't appear to be avoiding them. I see this being a major cost saver.
"Hello DMV, can I help you?"
"I just want to know..."
-click- beep beep beep beep beep
They can reduce time wasted on calls to an average of 2 seconds, all thanks to the miracle of VoIP.
Re:You know what I love about VoIP? (Score:2)
I must say, all the problems with VoIP I've seen, are entirely due to poor administration...
The single biggest improvement can be made by simply setting up traffic priorities (ie. QoS). If you make sure you links to the head unit are getting top priority over all else, you'll see a huge improvement. It will end almost all dropouts.
Sometimes, though, you may need to make some additional changes, i
OpenSource already being used.... (Score:3, Informative)
NYC pioneers (Score:4, Informative)
(crossing fingers) We'll see how it flies. (Score:1, Informative)
I know for some state agencies it will be tough - there are three state departments that made thier reports Windows centric, one requires reports using Excel Spreadsheets with some Active-x specific macros in it (to circle the errors, nothing big, but the popup controls keep us from filli
An interesting conversation... (Score:3, Interesting)
I recently did some repair work in one of these District offices and got involved in a conversation about internet and access.
Keep in mind, California already has an internal phone system for all State offices, which many counties within California also access.
What has happened is that SBC has convinced the General Services of Calfornia that the State can "save millions" by buying and paying for DSL service from SBC.
For the Assembly alone, that's 160 _separate_ DSL accounts, all running at 384K.
Not such a problem? Consider why I was at their office...
It took four hours for the people in the District office to print something from the servers in Sacramento.
Every server within Sacramento is connected by a T-3/OC-12. Regional offices (California is divided into 12 regions for resource allocations) are connected by T-1 or better.
I fell back to the non-technobabble explanation of them having a drinking straw for internet and Sacramento having a firehose in terms of bandwidth and latency, and they seemed to understand it.
But the irksome part of the whole is that someone in General Services was stupid enough to buy into and use the SBC explanation to "save money", and never bothered to investigate the _real_ costs.
By the end of the year, every office not in Sacramento or in a regional facility will be dropped from all connections except ATSS (internal phone system) and SBC DSL connects.
Why not recommend them to use Macs as well? (Score:2)
California has a crappy history (Score:2)
IIRC, the worst involved EDS and the DMV.
All those Oracle employees... (Score:1)
If CA government does use Open Source.... (Score:2)
Alas, the big loser would interestingly NOT be Microsoft, but someone like Sun Microsystems. Certainly, Dell Computer could be a winner here (selling large rack-mounted servers preloaded with Linux server editions), and IBM would certainly be a winner here, too.
And you all mocked us... (Score:2)
now, we've got a state government about to drop a significant portion of its proprietary software contracts, wants to move us closer to using smart, cheap technologies, and is most likely going to move toward ink-vot
Arnold. (Score:2)
Go Arnold!!!
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Hey, wait a second...Arnie's not a Republican at all...
HE'S A LIBERTARIAN!!!!!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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The NeoCon agenda doesn't care about these things as such, but they are well schooled in using what works to get their anti American anti Freedom aganda pushed through.
Historically, hatred has always been used to good effect to push a populace in a direction they would not normally go.
In America, sadly, there are a lot of people who hate people who are not like them far more than they love freedom. Take the current gay marriage cont