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Mandrakelinux 10 Now Available To All 343

Posted by timothy from the congratulations-to-them dept.
EvilAlien writes "Mandrakelinux has released the ISOs for Mandrakelinux 10.0. Mandrakelinux 10 is one of the first commercially available Linux distributions to feature the 2.6 kernel by default. As always, you can download the release via FTP or Bittorrent. Remember, if you use Mandrakelinux, join the club or buy a box to support them."
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  • Excellent Distro!!! (Score:5, Informative)

    by drsmack1 ( 698392 ) * on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:42PM (#9254224)
    I have upgraded from Mandrake 9.2 and I can say that this is the finest Linux distro made today. I bought Suse 9.1 and checked it out for a while; but went back to Mandrake. I am a club member and as such can easily install realplayer, flash, and Java right from pre-compiled rpms. URPMI keeps me coming back!

  • Damn (Score:5, Informative)

    by Stevyn ( 691306 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:44PM (#9254235)
    I just spent two days downloading each file from FTP!

    Actually, I think the ftp install is more efficient. It allows you do skip the source RPMs and the contrib directory if you don't want it. You can also do a more unattended install because you don't have to keep switching out the cds. And...I'm pretty sure there was a script that made the ISOs for you. Damn, I just invalidated this whole story. Sorry slashdot.

    • Re:Damn (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Siniset ( 615925 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:57PM (#9254339) Homepage Journal
      10.0 is the first release I did the ftp install for and I'm really happy about it. I used gentoo for a while, and loved the fact that i could go to the command line, type emerge foobar and in a couple of minutes (or hours) have foobar on my computer. I loved my gentoo box, but found myself playing with it too much to get it to work just right, which is why I went back to Mandrake, because it's pretty amazing how much they are able to make work just by default. Also, their control center is the best one that I've used, better than fedoras, imo.

      Anyways, I recommend people using it if they are interested in begining on linux, because it gives the ease of use that a beginner needs, but its pretty powerful under the hood.

  • /. Effect to the Extreme (Score:3, Funny)

    by bobhagopian ( 681765 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:44PM (#9254238)
    It becomes impossible to open a 100k HTML file once it gets slashdotted... god help that poor soul that is trying to download those huge ISO files right now.

  • Community Edition (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Xshare ( 762241 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:45PM (#9254245) Homepage
    I've been using the v.10 Community Edition on one of my older PCs for my little sister. It's easy enough for her, but powerful enough to run what I throw at it. I'll definately be upgrading to the Official Version now.

  • SuSe 9.1 is on sale at their online store (Score:4, Informative)

    by attemptedgoalie ( 634133 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:45PM (#9254247)
    It comes with 2.6.4-54 (off the top of my head, so I may be wrong about the sub-revision)

  • Nice, Thanks, but no thanks. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by osewa77 ( 603622 ) <naijasms@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:46PM (#9254250) Homepage
    I started learning Linux with Mandrake Linux and it really made things very easy. Then I moved to RedHat by accident (I lost my Mandrake CDs, couldn't get a replacement and thought, 'well, Mandrake is based on Redhat...'). After reading the previous slashdot stories about Mandrakesoft's financial challenges, I am happy to hear that things are progressing. However, I'm sticking to Fedora since most of my Linux work is server-side; Redhat and Debian happen to be the standards these days and lots of free online support (via google!)is available for them. I have written this personal stuff because I think there are many people in my shoes. 'We like them, but we really can't use them'
    _______
    by the way I Am A Fantasia Barrino fan [seunosewa.com]

    • Re:Nice, Thanks, but no thanks. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by BiggerIsBetter ( 682164 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @08:08PM (#9254432)
      RedHat *was* the standard back in the day, but others have cought up, and they pretty much blew any other advantage off with their Fedora vs Enterprise debarkle. RedHat users faced the choice of a distro in continuous state of Beta, or paying large fees for updates. Not good. I've been through Debian, MkLinux, Mandrake, RedHat, SuSE, Adamantix, and a few others, and I'll say that these days Mandrake and SuSE are the real players. Mandrake has got the desktop figured out, and SuSE has got the Novell juggernaut behind them. Aside from "only RedHat supported" 3rd party apps, and maybe business folks who want the well-known name when first move to Linux, I just can't see much room for RedHat anymore... It's certainly been ousted from this office and replaced with alternatives.
      • I tried Debian for some weeks on my web server; I experienced all sorts of probs related to the fact that the only stable Debian is an outdated Debian so here I am, using Fedora once more. Any attempt to use recent packages made my Debian system unstable. Fedora works exactly like RedHat, and is now managed by RedHat.
        ________________
        go fantasia, this is your night [seunosewa.com]

        • I'll agree about Debian. If you want new-ish software, it's not the distro for you. However, backports.org is a good resource for recent packages for Woody.

          FWIW, I found RedHat 9 to be relatively unstable compared to SuSE on our server here. We're currently running a super-stable and more secure Debian spinoff called Adamantix. Yes, it's a complete PITA to get working initially, but solid as a rock once sorted. The upcoming 1.0.4 release has a lot of more current stuff in it.

          Still, if Fedora meets your ne

  • Big claps to Mandrake ... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by nomad63 ( 686331 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:47PM (#9254253)
    It is very heartwarming to see some major Linux vendor is interested in the individual home Linux user after RedHat dumped them like yesterday's trash.

    On a side note, I am wondering where they are getting their currency exchange rates. Wish I could buy Euros from this rate and trade on the free market :)

    [quote on]
    For comparison, the Mandrake Linux PowerPack contains more than 2300 high-quality applications including a complete Office Suite of programs, plus installation support, for approximately 75 Euros ($69 US); whereby the equivalent Microsoft Windows + MS Office costs approximately 750 Euros ($685 US) without any technical support.
    [quote off]
    • It is very heartwarming to see some major Linux vendor is interested in the individual home Linux user after RedHat dumped them like yesterday's trash.

      What are you talking about?

      • Re:Big claps to Mandrake ... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by harikiri ( 211017 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @08:05PM (#9254411)
        He's probably referring to the fact that for a home user today, to get a well-integrated desktop Linux system (like what many of us used RedHat for), we have very, very limited options.

        Today, if you want a freely available desktop-oriented Linux distribution, you have to hunt far and wide. If you looked a week ago, you would have Fedora Core 2, which suffers from this major bug [oreillynet.com], Mandrake 10 Community - which is a pain to update [blueyonder.co.uk]. Knoppix is good but it's not really meant for installation though it can be done [freenet.org.nz]. A quick look on SuSe's downloads page shows that they do offer it free (minus commercial components), but it's either in LiveCD format or has to be installed via FTP [suse.co.uk].

        So, unfortunately today, we don't have the luxury we used to of being able to simply grab the 3 iso's for RedHat and installing them onto our system. Sure we could use Debian [debian.org], or Gentoo [gentoo.org], or even go out on a limb and try FreeBSD [freebsd.org] - but none of these are desktop-oriented, though you can achieve a nice desktop system if you work at it.

        I think that's what he's talking about. :)

        • He's probably referring to the fact that for a home user today, to get a well-integrated desktop Linux system (like what many of us used RedHat for), we have very, very limited options.

          I don't think so -- it seemed to be a direct criticism of Red Hat for home use, which definitely confuses me. I can see complaints about Red Hat -- they're too tied up in making things "free" (second only to Debian, IMHO), they've done a poor job of managing Fedora PR, etc, but them not being usable as a home machine is an
      • I cannot figure out why my post is offtopic.

        This is the second "offtopic" modded posts I've seen today (the other post was not mine) that I don't think is reasonable.

        In general, people seem to be at least reasonable with "Troll" and "Flamebait" tags. Even "Overrated" is somewhat sane, if someone just wants something modded down for a non-mentioned reason. I cannot tell why on earth my post would be considered "Offtopic", though. It was a direct, relevant response to an on-topic post.

    • Re:Big claps to Mandrake ... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Limburgher ( 523006 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:58PM (#9254352) Homepage Journal
      How is Fedora dumping the home user? It's fantastic! What's more, yum and apt are much better that up2date, and moving out from RedHat (the company) has allowed them to migrate.

      Please, try Fedora before you bash it. And, since when is the quality of a distro tied to the support of a corporation? Wouldn't that mean that Debian and Slackware suck? Odd, since they don't.

      • Plus, Fedora Tracker [fedoratracker.org] now lets you see what's in EVERY apt/yum repo for Fedora out there. It will even autogenerate yum and apt config files from your selected sites. Very cool.
      • How is Fedora dumping the home user? It's fantastic! What's more, yum and apt are much better that up2date, and moving out from RedHat (the company) has allowed them to migrate.

        fantastic? It trashes Windows partition maps, breaks NVIDIA drivers, screws up X configuration files, has missing popular packages (XCDroast), and NO firewire support! And that's just what I personally experienced! It's the biggest piece of horsesh*t distribution that has ever shown it's head and it's a RELEASE for goodness sake.

        • It trashes Windows partition maps

          Before you open your piehole, you might want to notice that this problem is kernel 2.6 related and affects Mandrake 10 and SuSE 9.1 as well.

          breaks NVIDIA drivers

          New kernel version breaks closed-source kernel module. Film at 11! Want to place a wager on how long it takes NVIDIA to fix their problem anyway?

          has missing popular packages (XCDroast)

          You name one package, and it isn't even missing from FC2. Nice.

  • MandrakeMove (Score:4, Interesting)

    by vigilology ( 664683 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:47PM (#9254255)
    When will they release a MandrakeMove 10? I want to see if and how well Mandrake 10 will perform on a certain set-up, but can't without commiting to a full install.

  • What's the diff? as they would say (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:48PM (#9254267)
    Can somebody inform me on which is the difference versus community and official releases?

    in soviet russia mandrake releases you!
    bad ok its long enough now ...

    • sure (Score:5, Informative)

      by mrsev ( 664367 ) <mrsev&spymac,com> on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @08:12PM (#9254462)
      Community is like a final release candidate. They consider is stable enought to release but not to sell. All the bugfixes from community go into the official release. The official is the one in the boxes in the shops and is considered stable.

  • The Good Ole Days (Score:5, Funny)

    by YodaToo ( 776221 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:51PM (#9254293)
    With BitTorrents of CD & DVD ISO's transporting data over all these fancy high speed lines, do you ever long for the good ole days of having to install distros like Slackware on 3.5 floppy or sending off in the mail for a Walnut Creek CD to load up linux via your fancy new 1x cartridge based CDROM?

  • 2.6 kernel (Score:4, Interesting)

    by SKPhoton ( 683703 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:53PM (#9254305) Homepage
    "One of the first commercially available Linux distributions to feature the 2.6 kernel by default."

    Yep, SuSE 9.1 [suse.com] has already been released on CD/DVD, complete with kernel 2.6.4-54 I believe. However, Mandrake 10 is already available for download while SuSE isn't available for download until June 4th.

    Personally I prefer SuSE over Mandrake, but if you really really want a prebuilt 2.6 kernel based system NOW, you can go ahead and grab a copy from Mandrake.

  • Already tried it. (Score:5, Funny)

    by bmo ( 77928 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:57PM (#9254336)
    Every so often, I pit one OS against another. I picked up a copy of Mandrake 10 from Linux Format. Of course it was the download version, but I saw it and I had to check it out.

    The French and the Germans battled it out yet again on my PC. As usual, the Maginot line crumbled instantly as the Germans, with their technical superority *from LAST OCTOBER* (SuSE 9.0), totally cleaned the floor with Mandrake 10.

    And thusly, I cleaned Mandrake off the drive.

    Hello SuSE 9.1

    This again proves that you should get your food from France, technology from Germany, and women from Poland.

    --
    BMO
    • And your world domination from Amerika.

      (ducks)

    • This again proves that you should get your food from France, technology from Germany, and women from Poland.

      D'oh! And all this time I've been getting my technology from France, my women from Germany, and my food from Poland!

    • Re:Already tried it. (Score:3, Interesting)

      by BenjyD ( 316700 )
      I have to say I agree. I tried Mdk 10 for a fortnight. While it had plenty of great features and very good hardware support (even auto-detected and configured my HP laserjet 1000), it was just too unreliable for me to use it for work. SuSE 9.1 seems much more stable to me so far.

  • Fedora Dual-Boot Bug? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by astrosmash ( 3561 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @07:58PM (#9254343) Journal
    Does Mandrake 10 suffer from the same MBR corruption bug [slashdot.org] that currently plagues Red Hat Fedora? Apparently it's caused by some of the changes to the 2.6 kernel and is affecting other 2.6 distros.

    • Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug? (Score:3, Informative)

      by lokem ( 631002 )
      I think it still is according to this [mandrakesoft.com] . But somehow the bug is marked as FIXED. More info here [mandrakesoft.com]. Only a temp solution is provided :(
    • No.

      I have installed Drake v10 Official on 4 different PC's (3 laptop's and a desktop) and XP (NTFS & FAT32) and all dual-boot ok.

      • Lucky you. I installed 3 FC2s, 2 dual-booting (to XP) laptops and one triple booting destkop (to XP and 2k3): all went OK. That doesn't mean the problem isn't there. (Lucky me, I guess). The fact that I always set the hard-drives to LBA (and the Windozes were installed that way, one of them nearly 2 years ago) might have something to do with it.
        • Yes. That does make a lot of sense. Considering these were all systems that I had setup before (and I usually do the same config for all my systems.

          2GB boot
          10GB OS/Apps
          xxxxGB storage and variable data /me crosses fingers & toes that I stay lucky.

    • Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Nailer ( 69468 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @09:48PM (#9255127)
      Yes.

      See bugzilla [mandrakesoft.com] bug.

      To make the problem apparent, you must partition whilst using kernel 2.6. Not upgrade an existing system to 2.6 after having already partitioned.

      Also, the bug only appears on particular drive geometries.

      But you can fix it with sfdisk, writing out a new partition table with a different geometry.

      See the parent posts link.

      • Re:Fedora Dual-Boot Bug? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Mr_Silver ( 213637 ) on Wednesday May 26, 2004 @04:52AM (#9256992)
        But you can fix it with sfdisk, writing out a new partition table with a different geometry.

        *shudder* No thanks. I don't care how easy it is to do, I'll wait for them to produce a fix.

        I don't care whose fault it is, but speaking as an average joe user, if you want to crowbar that copy of Windows XP from me, then I want to be able to install Linux without having to faff around repairing/rebuilding stuff that I know very little about in the first place.

        When you're the underdog, or up against something which is established, in any industry, you have to accept that sometimes you may need to "fix" something that wasn't really your fault in the first place.

  • I remember some (though not all) of the FTP sites had CD 4 available with the community release (it was later taken down). Has anyone else come across it?

  • Bittorrent... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Roguelazer ( 606927 ) <Roguelazer@nOSpam.gmail.com> on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @08:01PM (#9254374) Homepage Journal
    Get on that bittorrent people! I'm only getting 1KiB/s, so the Slashdot effect can't have hit the bittorrent. I know it's hard, but you can all use BT instead of the FTP download. It's inverse slashdot effect, really. The more of us there are, the faster the site is. So hop to!

  • open proxy installed by default? (Score:3, Informative)

    by SethJohnson ( 112166 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @08:02PM (#9254386) Homepage Journal


    I'm running Mandrake 9.2 at work and home. In both cases, the default Apache config runs an open http proxy on port 80. This is a pretty bad security model. It also prevents you from posting to Slashdot. Is this a problem in Mandrake 10?


    Here's how you fix this [slashdot.org].
    • I'm running Mandrake 9.2 at work and home. In both cases, the default Apache config runs an open http proxy on port 80. This is a pretty bad security model. It also prevents you from posting to Slashdot. Is this a problem in Mandrake 10?

      Well, I'm running Mandrake 10.0, httpd is running, and I can still post to slashdot, so apparently it must be fixed.

      -jim

  • WOW!!! (Score:3, Funny)

    by shaitand ( 626655 ) * on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @08:10PM (#9254444) Journal
    Check out that features page, it says it includes ATI, NVIDIA and Matrox video cards. Just what I needed, a linux distro that comes with free video cards! woot!

  • Where is the CD #4? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I am a SuSE believer and thus I am not a Mandrake club member. I like however to play with other distributions and compare them with SuSE (SuSE is ALWAYS the best). I used Mandrake for a while in 98-99 ( v. 5.1,5.3, 6.0); back then it was just Red Hat+KDE.

    About one month ago I downloaded Mandrake 10 official by using a bootleg torrent. I got 4 CDs. The currrent official download Mandrake 10 edition has only three CDs. The md5 sums of the current isos are the same as the md5 sums of the first three bootleg

    • Re:Where is the CD #4? (Score:4, Informative)

      by opkool ( 231966 ) on Wednesday May 26, 2004 @08:00AM (#9257486) Homepage
      CD4 is only available for MDK Club members. If you are not a member, you will not have aces to the ISO.

      Although, don't worry. All the contents are accessible through urpmi/rpmdrake (Mandrake's YasT/apt-get/yum software installation rpogram) . Just add the "main" and "contrib" sources to urpmi from the Easy URPMI page here:

      http://www.urpmi.org/easyurpmi/

      See? All nice and easy.

      Peace
  • I was previously unsuccessful at installing MandrakeLinux because I couldn't find a driver for widescreen monitors. My laptop is widescreen and all the resolutions looked like crap on it.

    If Mandrake really wants to be user-friendly, it needs to at least compete with Windows XP (which automatically found the perfect resolution) in terms of video ability. Let's face it, 2D video code is so arcane that any software developer should be able to manipulate it perfectly.
    • Let's face it, 2D video code is so arcane that any software developer should be able to manipulate it perfectly.

      They can, in 640x480x16 colors. Anything higher (including your funky widescreen laptop) requires tracking hundreds, if not thousands of different video card and monitor types. The video card industry really needs to get back together and come to a standard like they did with VGA. Everything since has been a proprietary hack.

  • Doesn't work for me (Score:3, Informative)

    by yamla ( 136560 ) <chris@@@hypocrite...org> on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @08:39PM (#9254647)
    [sigh] All I get is complaints about QM_MODULES. None of my modules install which makes my system entirely useless. This is on a supposedly clean install, though I also tried an upgrade. I tried with kernel 2.4.x and 2.6.x, no go in any case.

    It's a shame. I paid $160 to Mandrake for this and it doesn't work. I was a happy Mandrake 9.2 customer but 10.0 just doesn't work.
  • I have been a bit slow on developments in consumer computers (having not purchased a new computer in about 6 years). Anyway, can one buy an OS-less PC nowadays? Of course i am looking for one whose price reflects the fact that you are not paying for windows. Or is it possible to buy a pc with linux preinstalled, that would be even better!

    Since i no longer have time for games i see no reason in dual booting.

    So if I can buy a OS-free pc or a linux PC, could you guys recomend a good reliable place to get it

  • 10, 11, 12? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by rattler14 ( 459782 )
    Slightly off-topic, but does anyone else wonder what software companies are going to do to compensate for version numbers that are already at version 10 and up? I know numbering is by far the easiest system for engineer types, but will people start to get annoyed or confused about the difference between mandrake 15 vs suse 12... do these releases actually warrant a whole new number?

    And frankly, can't we just call it something new and start from 1 again?

    just a thought

    • And frankly, can't we just call it something new and start from 1 again?

      I hope not. It seems a lot easier to me if releases for anything proceed sequentially. Then there's no question which is newer than which. (E.g., Is Windows ME before or after Windows 98? Solaris vs. Sun OS and such.)

      Just my $0.02.

    • Easy, you switch to Roman numerals, like Apple (Mac OS X) or ATI (Radeon X800).

  • UTF-8 locales (Score:2, Interesting)

    by egy ( 764367 )

    I've tried Community Edition recently, and I wonder when will they make UTF-8 locales work right. While I'm using KOI8-R locale (I am from Ukraine) it's fine, but there is a lot of troubles with Unicode locales - complete mess in logs, broken fonts in mc (BTW, why doesn't it installs by default ?) and some other apps, to name a few. I mean Unicode is good , but in its current state it useless as for me.

    P.S. It seems like Mandrake CE is slightly slower than my Slackware - one more reason to stay with Slac

  • My dad has a box that's no good for any Windows past 98, and now that it's EOL'd, I'm thinking about recommending he move to Linux. (I'm a FreeBSD guy myself, but it looks like a lot of the Linux distros are more friendly to the Windows emigrant.)

    All he uses the box for is email, web, and reading his digital camera.

    Can anybody comment on Mandrake 10's suitability for such a user? Ease of use (particuarly when the geek is four states away)? Any anecdotes about Mandrake's support?

    I'm going to install it

  • Anyone knows when it will be released? :)

  • I used to be a club member (Score:5, Interesting)

    by vlad_petric ( 94134 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @10:27PM (#9255355) Homepage
    For two years, as a matter of fact. I joined for three reasons - 1. I could give back to MDK without paying the 2. Duval's March call (2 years ago) 3. Subscription is the way to go for Linux, IMHO (because of the very rapid movement in the Opensource World)

    Once thing I was promised was my voice to be heard. Another one - to get some benefits.

    My voice was heard, but only by other members. I asked once - "are we gonna get a dvd iso as well ? (regarding 9.2)". Not a single answer from MDK. When 9.2 was released, Gold members were given an ISO download, but not bronze/silver (I can't really afford a Gold membership, I'm just a student). What I really disliked is that they didn't tell me anything. And nobody can really argue that they didn't notice my message, since the traffic on MDK club is very small.

    The benefits - well, the package system is reasonably good. Other than that ... it certainly doesn't feel like a subscription service. There are many products (like the x86-64 distro) that are not available for club members at all. For the main distro itself, it felt that I was paying to be a betatester more than a priviledged downloader.

    I think that the way to go for MDK is to convert the club into a true subscription model (not the very ambiguous hafl charity, half business thing that the club currently is). Until then I'll be happily using MDK on my laptops without being a member, but won't be too sorry if I have to switch to Debian.

    • A couple of years ago, I purchased Mandrake (8 I think, just before they were about to go broke) from Mandrake's online store. I did not receive the package on the date it was supposed to be delivered. I waited a few more days, and then I contacted them. They did not reply to my emails.
      I had to send several emails, and the last one was a very angry email, asking them for a refund and really complaining about their lack of service. It was a really frustrating time, and from then on, I am not surprised that t

  • SpeedTouch modems (Score:3, Informative)

    by sparkz ( 146432 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @11:21PM (#9255696) Homepage
    And please remember that the Alcatel/Thomson SpeedTouch modem is not yet supported for this kernel version.

    Hassle the http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/ team for this, not the http://speedtouchconf.sourceforge.net "team" (ie, me) for it.

  • a review of various distros (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RouterSlayer ( 229806 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @11:37PM (#9255789)
    First of all, I've used just about every distro out there, and even some you've never heard of...

    Way back since the slackware days, even kernel 1.0 days and before that... Yes floppies were great.

    Mandrake has had its troubles, not the least of which has been the financial stuff that it's now finally out of...

    But even before Red Hat 7.0 it was a better distro. Its always had better package management.

    I see people whine that Debian is better JUST because of "apt get", well guess what? Mandrake has that too! so get a clue...

    and RPM? well it does that... and it does it all better. I have yet to see a better packager than URPMI... ever.

    also, through all my testing over the years, I have never, EVER seen a distro support all my hardware "out of the box", I mean, it JUST WORKS. On all the wierd laptops I've owned, it installs and runs like a charm, every time, supporting all the whacky devices without me having to do a thing. ever...

    wireless? yep, it was there, done and work, weird ass DSL setups, it worked. and it detected it all and set it up right, the first time... during install.

    Package support? it has soo many different packages, for desktops, for servers, for whatever you want, even if you want everything. Me, of course, I experiment, so I literally install EVERYTHING, and it still works!

    Today, for newbies I always point them at Mandrake, its dirt simple to install, and it gets it all correct, the first time, no weird questions, no BS, ever. it just works. period. and thats what people want.

    for the hardcore people, I still recommend it, for servers, I still recommend it. always.

    no matter what you are trying to do, it'll support it, no matter what your hardware, it'll work.

    if it doesn't, you did something wrong. I hate people who say "Well I just installed it and it doesn't work" well guess what, it is STILL possible to do "something wrong" even then.

    I watched friends do this, and they complain that whatever doesnt work afterwards, and I noticed during install they didnt select those packages... well, guess what? it wont work... duhhhh... and they even claim they selected "everything"... uh, no, I was watching bubba, you missed more than half of it. hello...

    if you have a specific use, need a specific package, and specifically DONT choose it during install, of course it wont be there... jeez, get a clue...

    I dont know of a better distro, I've been supporting them since way back when, and always will, I pay support, I buy extra stuff, you name it.

    right now on the market there aren't many choices...

    Debian - forget it.
    Fedora - this thing is a joke
    SUSE - I hate Yast with a passion
    slackware - they ruined it after 7.0
    nuff said.

  • Pricing (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Rick Zeman ( 15628 ) on Tuesday May 25, 2004 @11:57PM (#9255891)
    I use Mandrake....9.2 with some cooker stuff added (newer postfix, mailman and a 2.6.6 kernel). Before that, I used 3 different versions of Caldera (3.0, 2.x and 1.3) before they became the evil SCOmpire.
    I used to support Caldera by buying a box set of whichever version it was. I could usually pick it up at my neighborhood Costco for under 30 bucks. It was a good deal for me and it put some money in Caldera's coffers. TANSTAAFL. Everyone was happy.

    rant
    With Mandrake, I want to do the same thing and I'm continually astounded by HOW FUCKING EXPENSIVE it is...$50USD for the 2 CD set (which gives less than the download) and $90 for the full-featured 8 CD set.
    So then I say, well, let me see what it costs to join the Mandrake Club: $66...and you don't seem to get anything other than the ability to download the ISOs earlier than anyone else for that level.
    I'm a Mac user. I'm used to paying for software, but this is ridiculous, especially since a distro is current for only ~6 months and support's for 2 years. /rant

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