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Sweet Dreams Are Made By This

Posted by michael on Sat Jan 17, 2004 09:16 PM
from the dreaming-my-dreams-with-you dept.
schnoz writes "From Takara, the folks who brought you Bow-Lingual the dog translator, comes the Dream Workshop. Before going to sleep, all you have to do is stare at a photograph of what you want to dream of (Natalie Portman maybe) and record the dream plot. When you fall asleep, this gadget waits for REM and then uses your voice recording, lights, music and aroma to help direct your dream."
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  • Why not... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Ieshan (409693) <ieshan@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:17PM (#8011115) Homepage Journal
    Why not just sell these pre-programmed with Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera modules?

    Maybe Thinkgeek could sell a "Natalie Portman in Hot Grits" version?
    • by iminplaya (723125) <iminplaya @ g m ail.com> on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:19PM (#8011131) Journal
      I'm getting me a "Linus in speedos" module
              • Yeh! (Score:4, Funny)

                by A nonymous Coward (7548) * on Sunday January 18 2004, @01:06AM (#8012062)
                I used to get a kick out of getting guys to squirm when I lived in San Francisco with my girlfriend. Guys who only heard I was single would look at me weird, like I was contagious, and I'd just laugh, tell them that I loved it there, with so many gays it left more women for me, and they got really upset when I said they must be closet gays because real heterosexual males would rejoice at taking so many good looking sensitive guys out of competition for the women.
              • by monkeyfinger (683580) on Sunday January 18 2004, @05:05AM (#8012589)
                (You'd think straight male slashdotters would want as little competition for females as possible, actually)

                That's how I've always looked at it, a gay man is just one less competitor for the ladies. The more men who turn gay the better. I've been chatted up by blokes on numerous occasions and I see it as a compliment not a problem.

                I've always seen some truth in the idea that homophobes are often closet homosexuals who are threatened by gayness because they are in denial about their own sexuality. I'm glad that homosexuality isn't as much of a taboo as it was in my parent's or grandparent's time. I hope society continues to become more accepting of peoples preferences.

    • by kfg (145172) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:27PM (#8011185)
      Maybe Thinkgeek could sell a "Natalie Portman in Hot Grits" version?

      They were workin' on it, but the prototypes kept petrifying.

      KFG
    • Re:Why not... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Ralph Wiggam (22354) * on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:53PM (#8011329) Homepage
      I would want the 2001 Christina Aguilera. Is anyone else frightened by the 2004 Christina?

      -B
    • by NanoGator (522640) on Saturday January 17 2004, @10:39PM (#8011536) Homepage Journal
      "Why not just sell these pre-programmed with Britney Spears..."

      Only if it has a mute feature.
    • by Walt Dismal (534799) on Sunday January 18 2004, @03:26AM (#8012414)
      I went to sleep dreaming of Natalie Portman but I woke up next to Darl McBride. Please kill me now.
  • dreaming (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mjc_w (192427) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:17PM (#8011117)
    How bout if I change someone's dream input?

    Hacking dreams???
    • Re:dreaming (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:31PM (#8011214)
      Increased strength, close combat, martial arts? That's not right!?

      What did I get?

      Advanced knitting.

      -- Demolition Man
    • Re:dreaming (Score:5, Funny)

      by idiotnot (302133) <sean@757.org> on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:32PM (#8011219) Journal
      Isn't that what the cockroach, Milquetoast, in Outland was supposed to be doing by whispering into people's (well, if you consider Bill the Cat a person) ears at night?

      As for me, I normally change my dream input by consuming Tequila before bedtime. It rarely disappoints. :-D
    • by danwiz (538108) on Saturday January 17 2004, @10:15PM (#8011431)
      Picture this ...

      A sleep-depraved Saddam is forced to stare at a photo of his dead son's bodies. After he's finally allowed to sleep and REM kicks in, a voice-over script explains to him that its all his fault and guides him on how he should cooperate fully.

      After steering his dream through freedom, a comfortable exile, and a harem of virgins he is conveniently woken up for his next round of questioning.

    • Re:dreaming (Score:5, Funny)

      by marvin2k (685952) on Saturday January 17 2004, @10:16PM (#8011433)
      Sneak up on your victim and keep the plot but replace Natalie Portman with Ron Jeremy. 8P
    • by WormholeFiend (674934) on Sunday January 18 2004, @12:25AM (#8011898)
      would be if you put images of the goatse.cx in the dream machine.

      i swear if someone did that to my machine, i d use a hot iron to brand -1 Troll on his forehead
  • Sounds Tempting! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MissMarvel (723385) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:18PM (#8011119) Journal
    Hey, this thing might work! Back in the dark ages when I was in college I used to tape lectures and listen to them while I was asleep. Amazing results!

    My dreams could use a bit of spicing up, but I think I'll opt for Johnny Depp instead of Natalie Portman. Anyone know how much 14,800 yen is in US Dollars?
    • by radixvir (659331) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:19PM (#8011132) Homepage

      Back in the dark ages when I was in college I used to tape lectures and listen to them while I was asleep. Amazing results!

      weird, i fall asleep during lectures all the time, and nothing good has ever come out of it

      • by pantycrickets (694774) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:28PM (#8011198)
        weird, i fall asleep during lectures all the time, and nothing good has ever come out of it

        It was me and the professor. Only, he looked different. He had daisy duke shorts on and was carrying a rifle. I approached him, and he spoke.. but I couldn't understand. I think it was another language. When I got closer, I noticed my skin was burning. And then I realized I was covered in fire ants. I jumped off of a cliff towards what looked like a pool of water at the bottom. Only when I hit it, I realized it was a pool of broken glass. I tried as best as I could to swim through the glass, but my skin was literally falling apart.. when I could no longer move, I woke up.

        Needless to say, I failed the exam.
  • I'm dreaming of... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by HappyCitizen (742844) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:19PM (#8011126) Homepage Journal
    Darl McBride vs. Darth Maul Ok, on a more serious note, could this replace studying in some way shape or form. I mean a book under your pillow is crazy, but what about making it direct you through a dream in which you learn. This could really help self education. Imagine going further, having it teach you programming. Yes, you would need to record a plot and such, but I bet someone smart could have a computer generate one from an online manual or something. Just my 2 cents
    • by Alan Hicks (660661) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:28PM (#8011192) Homepage
      Imagine going further, having it teach you programming

      I don't know about you, but I can't seem to get even the most basic shell scripts right when I dream about computers. I can't verify the truth of the statement, but I've heard it said that the right side of your brain is the side most active during dreams, and it is also the less logical side of your brain. If that's true my first assumption is that dream learning would be mostly worthless for highly logical things like math or programming, but might be useful for art.

      • by E_elven (600520) on Saturday January 17 2004, @10:07PM (#8011402) Journal
        You can be aware in your dreams as well. The 'real' nature of sleep seems to be under investigation still, but lucid dreams (the kind where you know you're asleep and try to conjure Johnny D. or Orlando B. or Natalie P. naked before waking up) are a good example of verified awareness.

        I shouldn't dismiss it that hastily.
  • by poindextrose (640377) <sliderule AT gmail DOT com> on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:20PM (#8011139) Homepage
    I can't wait to see people who screw this one up. The people with pictures of Grandma on their night table.
  • Mars (Score:5, Funny)

    by owlstead (636356) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:21PM (#8011142)
    I want to have a dream about a trip to mars. Oh, wait...

  • by idgrad (137342) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:21PM (#8011148)
    You could play some nice pranks with this toy after a scary movie.... aliens perhaps...muhahahahaha
  • meh? (Score:5, Funny)

    by devphaeton (695736) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:22PM (#8011151)
    "From Takara, the folks who brought you Bow-Lingual the dog translator

    This isn't that email i get 15 times a week proclaiming "Amazing Breakthrough In Software Technology! Turn Woofs into Words! Free Download!" is it?

    stare at a photograph of what you want to dream of (Natalie Portman maybe) and record the dream plot. When you fall asleep, this gadget waits for REM and then uses your voice recording, lights, music and aroma to help direct your dream."

    It's probably not recommended to have a device cooking up some grits when there's no one there to keep an eye on it. But in other news, i did hear that they are selling perfume that smells just like natalie portman!
  • Flim-flam. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RyanFenton (230700) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:23PM (#8011154)
    Classic flim-flam. Variations of these flashing-light eye-glasses have been around for decades, claiming to be everything from a headache cure to, in this case a dream machine. The nice thing about claiming things about dreams is that most dreams aren't remembered, so there's nothing to be able to go after when it comes to false advertising.

    Yes, I'm a skeptic. I suppose I should want to try this product beforhand to be scientifically valid... but testimonial "evidence" with this sort of product does not give me any motivation to hand out money so I can reward these people to test their wild theory.

    Ryan Fenton
    • Re:Flim-flam. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Ieshan (409693) <ieshan@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:31PM (#8011218) Homepage Journal
      I love it when Psychologists tout products / services with testimonials. As someone aspiring to be a real-life research psychologist some day, it seems particularly ironic that none of these guys have ever heard of the Availability Heuristic.(that, or they have, and they're just trying to exploit it, but it doesn't really look good to anyone who's taken Psych 101.)

      Example: The Wigetmobile is the best selling car in america because it's super-cheap and super-reliable, according to statistics. Your uncle says he drove his into a tree and it nearly killed him, so you don't buy it, because his vivid description of his near-death incident (probably on account of his own stupidity) "outweighs" statistical evidence that the product is good. This is the same thing, only in *reverse* of the product advertising.

      Alex Chiu is a big fan of this kind of marketing exploitation. He's also a complete idiot.
      • Re:Flim-flam. (Score:4, Interesting)

        by RyanFenton (230700) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:49PM (#8011309)

        Actually, I do lucidly fairly often - presuming you mean being in control of and aware of the dream as a dream state. I haven't found it to be a magical thing that needs a trigger, just a simple exploration of thought. Flashing lights haven't had anything to do with my experiences, as I have always slept in darkness. I also haven't experied any special therapudic effects from such dreams either. If anything, it's just an open-ended mental game, like a daydream, and definetly not something to obsess over, or waste time on instead of sleeping. This is just another testimonial of course, and an oppinionated one at that. I encourage scientific exploration for those in the field - but distrust those with something to sell, so to speak.

        Ryan Fenton
  • Wet Dreams (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:24PM (#8011159)
    But wouldn't it be embarrasing if you died in your sleep and the coroner came to pick up your body a week later with a picture of Oprah beside you, while your voice described your dream date, bow-chicka-bow-bow music played, and musky perfume poured out of this thing?
    • by Anonymous Coward
      What would really be embarrassing is if they found you with a picture of Dr. Phil.
  • by TyrranzzX (617713) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:24PM (#8011165) Journal
    Coca-cola, happy subconscience suggestion!

    Combine this with sound rifles, through-wall sonics and lasers...mmm scarrry.
  • by GuyMannDude (574364) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:27PM (#8011184) Journal

    Although lucid dreaming [lucidity.com] is not exactly the same as dream control [lucidity.com], it does give you the ability to control your OWN ACTIONS in a dream. The advantage of lucid dreaming is that you don't have to buy any gizmos to make it work (although some people do sell things to help you achieve lucidity). The disadvantages are, as I mentioned, the fact that you only control yourself and not necessarily your surroundings and it takes some time to learn the skill of becoming lucid in a dream.

    Lucid dreaming is basically a technique for becoming conscious that you are in a dream without actually waking from that dream. It takes some work, believe me. We're talking months here. But it is kinda cool. Once I realize that I'm dreaming, I usually take advantage of that fact by blasting any enemies around me with a Godzilla [godzilla.co.jp]-like breath weapon! While this is admittedly pretty geeky, I can say that here without being laughed at (right?) because we're all geeks. Plus, it's pretty neat to see Bill Gates go up in flames!

    Another advantage of lucid dreaming is that it's a proven technique whereas this new gizmo is just something that someone is trying to sell you.

    GMD

    • by Leeji (521631) <slashdot AT leeholmes DOT com> on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:52PM (#8011322) Homepage

      One interesting thing about your point is that this device could assist lucid dreaming. In fact, the Lucidity Institute that you link to sells a similar device called the NovaDreamer. [lucidity.com] The NovaDreamer detects REM sleep, then uses flashing lights to hopefully introduce dream signs into your dream. At $138 USD, this device is much cheaper than the NovaDreamer, which costs $395 USD. [128.121.104.103]

      I've been experimenting with a home-brew solution (a web page that flashes and talks at random intervals throughout the night,) but I've had very limited success with it.

      While we're on the topic, I wrote a very long piece [geocities.com] about Lucid Dreaming in 1996 -- many people have put it on their own sites

  • by DrEldarion (114072) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:29PM (#8011206) Homepage
    I want to see someone hack this and connect it to the web. People could then visit the site and upload their own voice tracks.

    I think that could turn out to be really really amusing, although I fear what would happen if it ever got slashdotted. I'd probably end up with a dream about hanging Gates while doing naughty things with Natalie Portman on top of a beowulf cluster of hot grits while the goatse man and penis bird watch.
  • by the eric conspiracy (20178) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:31PM (#8011216)
    LOL. It got mention on the "selling it" page in the back, where CR publishes small items showing misleading, maybe fradulent ads.

  • by LostCluster (625375) * on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:32PM (#8011225) Homepage
    It's been known for quite a while that what you dream about is usually whatever you were thinking about just before you went to sleep. Staring at a photograph is one way to make sure you're thinking about the person you want to dream about... so who needs the gadget?
  • LotR (Score:5, Funny)

    by Arc04 (601196) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:34PM (#8011241)
    Dream about Lord of the Rings, before you wake up and realise you have just been Tolkien in your sleep.
  • Dream Instigation (Score:3, Insightful)

    by pipingguy (566974) on Saturday January 17 2004, @09:35PM (#8011246) Homepage

    Isn't this similar to the phenomenon of waking up and realizing that your dream contained bits and pieces of what was on TV/radio while you slept (eg, your radio or TV is set as a wake-up alarm)? I.E., your subconcious mind picked-up on cues while you were sleeping and inserted them into the dream.
  • by Stevyn (691306) on Saturday January 17 2004, @10:01PM (#8011374)
    ...or whatever the hell it's called now. I'll end up patching it in my dreams. Imagine, my perfect dream is about to come true and just before it does, "windows update is ready to install..." Then again, if it were run by linux, I'd get an error message of "this dreams requires the package lib.so.4.508 to continue." Either way, this ain't going to work the way it's advertised.

    On a serious note, google up lucid dreaming and read about it. It actually works. Years ago I tried to make one of these things by having a bunch of LED's blink rapidly. It didn't work, but it was a neat form of meditation. But seriously, there's nothing like a lucid dream.
  • Lucid Dreaming (Score:5, Informative)

    by localman (111171) on Saturday January 17 2004, @10:18PM (#8011450) Homepage
    You know, I don't know why lucid dreaming [lucidity.com] isn't a bigger thing. Given all the effort people put into altered conciousness, that is. No hardware required.

    I've never been a big one for altered conciousness, but I did do some lucid dreaming for a while. Basically you just get good at recognizing when you're dreaming, and then you can start controlling what happens. Yes, Natalie Portman is an option.

    It does take some dedication, though. Keeping a dream journal is essential. There's some basic info out there that will help get you started.

    The only downside I found is I sometimes felt I wasn't sleeping as deeply. But it is a great way to explore altered conciousness without worrying about killing brain cells or geting addicted to anything.

    Cheers.
    • Re:Lucid Dreaming (Score:5, Interesting)

      by pongo000 (97357) on Saturday January 17 2004, @11:03PM (#8011625)
      Interesting you bring this up...for several years I suffered from episodic sleep paralysis. During dream states, your body is semi-paralyzed as a defense mechanism against acting out your dreams. People with episodic SP wake up from vivid nightmares still paralyzed. It's an extremely spooky and gut-wrenching experience. Think about your worst nightmare, and how you thought it was real. Now imagine lying in bed, eyes open, cognizant that you are awake, and your nightmare still continues. But you cannot move, and oftentimes you have great difficulty breathing, shouting out, or otherwise defending yourself from whatever horror you've cooked up. That's what episodic sleep paralysis is about.

      One of the methods used to treat the condition is a form of lucid dreaming in which you train yourself to recognize, in your nightmare, that you are in control of the situation. By moving a finger or something similar to "break" the paralysis, you can then wake up fully.

      For a long time sleep paralysis was treated with SSRI's, usually tricyclic antidepressants that, in light doses, would keep REM light enough to fully emerge from the paralysis stage. But if you've ever been on an SSRI, the side effects can be pretty miserable.

      It's an interesting subject that has a study all its own here. [uwaterloo.ca]
  • Monroe Institute (Score:4, Interesting)

    by forevermore (582201) on Saturday January 17 2004, @10:19PM (#8011456) Homepage
    The Monroe Institute [monroeinstitute.org] has something a lot cheaper that will do the same thing. By using sound to alter brain waves, they can induce something that works like mild hypnosis, but give you control over yourself. I researched their "Sweet Dreams" audio suite while I was in college, and though I didn't have enough subjects (only had 4 or so) to have any significant results, there was a very visible trend to suggest that the cassettes (no cd's available at the time) were doing just what they said they would. Personally, I had my dream recall rates go from virtually none to 2-4 long dreams per night. It's a little new-agey, but this stuff is all based in science with lab results, etc. Worth checking out.
  • by Tolvor (579446) on Saturday January 17 2004, @11:01PM (#8011615)
    I also am a big fan of dream control via lucid dreaming, and if I'm maintaining the dream/reality checks and am in practice, I can usually achieve about 3 remembered and controlled long dreams a week, all for free. It took me about four months to get to that level, and I couldn't afford a NovaDreamer (a similiar (and expensive device) for aiding dreamers). I found this link (http://brindefalk.solarbotics.net) which detailed the Kvaser dreammask. If you know your electronics its easy enough to do. You'd have to modify the circuit (to add the extended audio cues) and modify the coding for the additional logic. When people advertise nice electronic doodads that are simple enough, I usually see whether or not I can do it simpler and cheaper, with all the custom additions that I want. If the device is a Mhz or Ghz microprocessor, I'm not likely to get far, but a nice project in the back of a electronics magazine, certainly. And this device certainly falls into that category.
  • by ath0mic (519762) on Saturday January 17 2004, @11:41PM (#8011747)

    Marge: Homer, has the weight loss tape reduced your appetite?

    Homer: Ah, lamentably no. My gastronomic rapacity knows no satieties.
  • by Thedalek (473015) on Sunday January 18 2004, @12:39AM (#8011970)
    I'd like to see a movie based on the development of this product. According to the article, they are experimenting on a number of company employees, which means a Takara employee's journal could easily read like a crash course in the Twilight Zone.

    Then again, the employees already live in Japan, home of used panty vending machines. For the curious, the cost is supposedly 1000 per pair.

    I now await a slew of replies from pseudo-clever /.ers saying "That's it, I'm moving to Japan!" or equivalent phrases.
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    • by Jerf (17166) on Saturday January 17 2004, @10:52PM (#8011588) Journal
      Many times, I have solved The Problem in my sleep. I have also composed some bitching music (music composition being a former hobby of mine).

      Of the many times I have solved The Problem, only once was it actually a solution, and even then it was more like a thought that actually put me on the right track when I awoke, more out of coincidence I think then anything else.

      Many times I have awoken with the semantic equivalent of "My code will be fixed if I just pick a purple lilac and feed it to my dog.", only much, much wierder in a way that I can not just summon up while awake to provide a good example for. And it all makes such sense at the time.

      I'm sure some people really do solve problems in their dreams, and goodness knows a good night's sleep always does help me. But I wonder how many people really solve problems in their dream, and how many people just think they've solved problems. I've managed to drag several ideas from my dreams back into the waking world, including quite a few semi-interesting sci-fi plots, but none of them are worth anything when examined in the light of the sun, except perhaps some entertainment value.

      One of the things I remember dragging back was a music melody that was going to make me famous... I don't recall the specifics but I do recall it only involved two notes a whole step apart in some entirely uninspired rhythm; in the waking world it was terminally dull, as you might imagine a two-note melody would be. (I have on the other hand written some music I rather enjoyed based on the wierd feeling I sometimes get after having wierd dreams, but the music did not come to me in my sleep.)