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New York Spam Ring Lawsuits 263

Iphtashu Fitz writes "Microsoft and the Attorney General of New York have announced multiple lawsuits against what they term as a spam ring operating throughout New York and responsible for sending billions of illegal junk e-mail. According to articles at ABCNews.com, CNet News.com and elsewhere the state of New York has filed 6 lawsuits against alleged notoriuous spammer Scotty Richter and accomplices. Richter is well known among the anti-spam community, holding the dubious distinction of being ranked number 3 on the Spamhaus Registry of Known Spam Offenders. Microsoft has seperately filed 5 other lawsuits."
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New York Spam Ring Lawsuits

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  • Are they (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Are they just trying to get their case backlog totally out of the way before the CANSPAM act goes into effect, or what?
  • by Lipongo ( 704267 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:39PM (#7756681) Homepage
    Lawsuits.

    Goodbye!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:40PM (#7756693)
    Please forward all spam to info@optinbig.com
    • Re:In need of SPAM (Score:4, Informative)

      by Lizard_King ( 149713 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:35PM (#7757232) Journal
      Tis nice retribution, but you would also be giving a notorious spammer a valid email address. Your own.

      • You were going to give them your email address?

        Just forge the headers and the return email address when you send out the message.

        Just remember to put the opt out link at the bottom of your message. :)
    • Please forward all spam to info@optinbig.com

      Oh, I suspect he's running a spam filter on his email address, probably an industrial strength one. <wry grin> I'd add a comment about not sinking to his level, but I'm not sure there's room on his level for more people than him. ;>

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:40PM (#7756696)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Is anyone going after them?

      And if "Yes," what can we do to donate guns or ammunition?
    • by belmolis ( 702863 ) <billposer.alum@mit@edu> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:51PM (#7756831) Homepage

      According to the article in the New York Times (p. C1, continued on C3) the suits are against three companies. The actual spammer named is a Paul Boes, who was employed as a marketer by the other two companies, Synergy6 and OptInRealBig. OpInRealBig is owned by Scott Richter, the guy named by Spamhaus as the world's number 3 spammer. So, yes, assuming that this is the way it works, they are going after the people who direct the spammers.

    • by Liselle ( 684663 ) * <slashdot@NoSPAm.liselle.net> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:56PM (#7756893) Journal
      The problem is that the order-taking/filling is just as distributed as the spammers themselves. There isn't a penis-pill warehouse the FBI can raid and shut down the whole operation. Small operators abound, and when you consider they can sell a $2 bottle of pills for $50, and take into account the zero cost of spamming... any idiot can do it.

      It's like trying to smash hundreds of ants with your fingers. You can catch a few, but the rest are scattering all of the place, and none of them individually amount to anything important.
      • by CKW ( 409971 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:36PM (#7757239) Journal

        Seriously now - I've wiped out an entire anthill of ants that was living in the ground by the foundation of the house whose basement apartment I was renting. The key to wiping out hundreds of ants is a) persistence, and b) persistence. How many seconds are there in 10 minutes? 600. Guess how many ants I can kill in 10 minutes? As many as come out the door of the anthill. Neat thing about ants, you kill a few and the pheremone scents released during battle and death attract all the rest to "defend the colony". Sure there are some out foraging and deep in the colony that won't be there, but come back tomorrow and do it again, and do it for 4 days in the row - and poof, you've wiped out an entire anthill without using any chemicals or traps, with your bare little finger. Come back once a week all summer and kill the stragglers who are struggling to feed the un-seen queen, and eventually the queen starves to death - poof, colony gone.

        Persistence and the willingness to do the job, that's all it takes.

        Hey, if the RIAA thinks that they can sue all 60,000,00 of us file sharers, surely we can hunt down and exterminate a few hundred small time spammers!!

        It was just the other week where a spammer was quoted as saying that profits were down and cost of business had quadrupled due to the efforts of spam-filtering and anti-spammers. We just need to finish the job off properly, as opposed to easing up and getting used to the status quo.

        Years prior to this no-one outside of the tech community had a high awareness of spam. Now *everyone* agrees it's a vast menace. Now is the time to strike.
        • I found that kerosene poured into the hills worked just as well, and only required one treatment.
        • CKW wrote:
          > The key to wiping out hundreds of ants is a) persistence, and b) persistence. How many seconds are there in 10 minutes? 600. Guess how many ants I can kill in 10 minutes? [ ... ] come back tomorrow and do it again, and do it for 4 days in A row [ ... ] Come back once a week all summer [ ... ] Persistence and the willingness to do the job, that's all it takes.

          PROPOSAL FOR ALTERATION OF SLASHDOT PLAN FOR GLOBAL DOMINANCE:

          When Phase Three of the Plan goes into effect - electr

      • The problem is that the order-taking/filling is just as distributed as the spammers themselves. There isn't a penis-pill warehouse the FBI can raid and shut down the whole operation. Small operators abound, and when you consider they can sell a $2 bottle of pills for $50, and take into account the zero cost of spamming.

        This is even more true when you don't need an actual product to ship -- scams are low-overhead operations. P.T. Barnum would've loved these guys.

      • Yea, but who didn't burn ants with a magnifying glass when they were a kid........
    • by Rinikusu ( 28164 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:05PM (#7756970)
      Because technically it's not "illegal" to ask someone to advertise your wares. If you're a company and you want to reach an internet audience, you go to "Direct Marketing" Company B and say "I want advertising for my product!" Company B says "Sure, that'll be $xxxx". At that point, Company A is not concerned about how Company B runs its business, it's not the one breaking the law. I foresee a time when Company A will get Company B to do the marketing, and Company B will turn around and "outsource" the job to an offshore company (while taking their share of the profit) who can do it cheaply and without fear of legislation shutting them down.

      Now, my knowledge of contract law is limited, but it's this same kind of mentality that also allows Nike to contract the manufacture of its shoes to some contractor in Asia, who does not have any sweatshops, but then it subcontracts out to other contractors who may not be as "ethical". Nike has plausible deniability. So does the Spam "customer". We could "boycott" the advertisers, but look at the Nike boycotts. Just how effective are they? Or the Walmart boycotters.. Walmart just posted record numbers.. see what I'm getting at?

      It sucks. Maybe resistance is futile after all.
    • Lots of states are making laws against spam, which let the legislators tell their constituents that they're Doing Something About It, which could theoretically lead to more votes if anybody got enough less spam to notice. In practice, almost all spamming is interstate commerce, and therefore the US Constitution puts it under Federal jurisdiction, not state. There are occasional places like California where a spammer based there might be annoying an email user in California to sell products from companies
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:41PM (#7756705)
    unleash the full misguided fury of the Bush administration unto them!

    ok, well, maybe the death penalty is a tad too harsh, but i think a good old fashioned tarring and feathering is called for.
  • AAaaah!! (Score:5, Funny)

    by GnrlFajita ( 732246 ) <brad AT thewillards DOT us> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:41PM (#7756713) Homepage
    Microsoft is back in court, and this time I'm rooting for them? I tell ya, people, the world is seriously coming to an end.

    Between this, the world going dark [slashdot.org] and those smart helicopters [slashdot.org], this has turned out to be a very, very frightening day. I'm definitely switching to the 2-ply tinfoil for my hat.

    • Re:AAaaah!! (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      So are we supposed to like Microsoft this week or not? It's so hard to keep track on Slashdot.
  • by heironymouscoward ( 683461 ) <heironymouscowar ... .com minus punct> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:42PM (#7756718) Journal
    Politicians and moral crusaders learn nothing from history. Prohibition does not work.

    The War on Spam will be what drives spammers for once and for all into the arms of organized international crime.

    Not a good idea.
    • by southpolesammy ( 150094 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:44PM (#7756740) Journal
      What makes you think that spammers aren't already RICO-influenced already?
    • by caseih ( 160668 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:48PM (#7756798)
      Spammers are already in the arms of organized crime. Using viruses to take over home computers and turn them into zombies. That and theft of service (for stealing my bandwidth) pushes them into the realm of crime. Crime is prohibited. We seek to punish crimes as often was we discover them. Is this different? I don't believe that using laws to control spammers is the equivalent of alchohol prohivition. It certainly isn't the same as using the DMCA to give companies artificial rights and punish users. On the other hand, in a global society, our laws don't do much to stop others. I think we do need a technical solution, however.

      Michael
      • I don't believe that using laws to control spammers is the equivalent of alchohol prohivition

        well, good. but the current state of spam laws is heading that way! we are attemtping to outlaw the act itself (spam, booze) not the crimes that result from the act (bandwidth theft, drunk driving).

        • by Halo1 ( 136547 )
          outlaw the act itself (spam, booze) not the crimes that result from the act (bandwidth theft, drunk driving
          The difference is that spamming per definition consists of -among other things- bandwidth theft, while alcohol by no means always results in drunk driving.
        • by jpkunst ( 612360 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:06PM (#7756985)

          the act itself (spam, booze) not the crimes that result from the act (bandwidth theft, drunk driving).

          Sorry, this comparison doesn't make sense. Spam == bandwidth theft. Spam itself is the crime.

          JP

    • by Violet Null ( 452694 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:50PM (#7756821)
      Politicians and moral crusaders learn nothing from history. Prohibition does not work.

      Prohibition doesn't work when it conflicts with what the majority want. The majority wanted alcohol during the 1920's, and were willing to violate the law to get it.

      That's got no bearing on spam, which the majority doesn't want, just like the majority doesn't want murder, rape, carjacking, fraud, embezzlement, or any other number of illegal activities.
      • Prohibition doesn't work when it conflicts with what the majority want. The majority wanted alcohol during the 1920's, and were willing to violate the law to get it.


        Prohibition included a major conflict of the people. After all, the people had been convinced of the merits of prohibition, and either through their state legislature's, or through direct voting, the majority of voters did indeed approve the 18th amendment. It is unlikely that they were all teetotalers however (I would say that Prohibition wa
      • by wowbagger ( 69688 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:32PM (#7757210) Homepage Journal
        Prohibition doesn't work when it conflicts with what the majority want. The majority wanted alcohol during the 1920's, and were willing to violate the law to get it.


        That's got no bearing on spam, which the majority doesn't want, just like the majority doesn't want murder, rape, carjacking, fraud, embezzlement, or any other number of illegal activities.


        Almost correct, but while I think you understand the fundimental truth here, you are misapplying it.

        The fundimental truth is "Where there is demand, there will be supply." All laws can do is change the supply vs. price curve - society sets the demand vs. price curve.

        The problem is that it is NOT we-who-receive-the-spam who demand spam - it is the scummy bastards who wish to hawk their wares (or warez) or simply to rip us off who demand spam.

        In that regard, banning spam will only raise the price vs. supply curve - the demand vs. price curve will be unchanged.

        However, the difference between spam and booze is that the demand vs. price curve for booze remains fairly constant until the price gets very large, while the demand vs. price curve for spam rolls off VERY rapidly as soon as the cost of spamming rises (at least, I *HOPE* that to be the case!)

        And upon this rests the success of any anti-spam legislation: does it raise the price vs supply curve enough to shift the intersection with the demand vs price curve to a point of enough lower volume to make a difference?

        This is also why "Just Hit Delete" is such TERRIBLE advice - JHD does NOT alter the demand vs. price curve. Giving holy hell to any remotely respectable businessman who uses spam can shift that curve. That is why I keep nailing Sears any time I get a spam from one of their affiliates advertising siding.
        • However, the difference between spam and booze is that the demand vs. price curve for booze remains fairly constant until the price gets very large, while the demand vs. price curve for spam rolls off VERY rapidly as soon as the cost of spamming rises (at least, I *HOPE* that to be the case!)

          The demand for spam rolls off to near-zero (not quite zero, because some people just like to be assholes for the sake of it) when law enforcement and/or tech improvements push the cost of spamming above the cost of le


      • Why did Congress need to pass a Constitutional ammendment to make alcohol illegal, but not need to do the same to make marijuana illegal??
        • The majority of non-medical 'controlled substance' laws, including alcohol, are drafted by each state. That is why a Constitutional amendment was required - simply passing a law banning sale of alcohol would have interfered with inerstate commerce, states rights, etc., and would have been unconstitutional.

          Currently, the federal government uses its not-inconsequential financial clout to keep those states in line that would de-criminalize any 'bad' drug. Look to California, Oregon, or DC to see what happens
    • by judd ( 3212 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:53PM (#7756860) Homepage
      That's only true of products/services where customers are willing to pay a large enough premium to mitigate the risk of criminal penalty for the supplier. Eg, alcohol, drugs, prostitution have a market who will pay a lot - enough that the supplier feels it's worth the risk.

      Once the cost/risk of criminal penalty accrues to spam suppliers, will there be many customers who will pay the consequent much higher rates for spam? I doubt it. Spam has been highly profitable up until now because the costs to those who provide it are very low. That won't be true any more.
    • by gorbachev ( 512743 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:54PM (#7756870) Homepage
      This has nothing to do with prohibition, but the dubious background of the players in the game. A very large number of career spammers are career conmen with convictions for some type of fraud. Eddie Marin is a convicted coccaine dealer. Alan Ralsky has a number of shady business dealings in his past. Thomas Cowles defrauded his spamming partners and got jailtime.

      In addition, large parts of the spamming business is ALREADY in the hands of organized crime, especially in countries like Russia where the mafia has moved onto every profitable business to get their cut.

      Proletariat of the world, unite to kill spammers. The more painful and slower, the better.
    • by Midnight Thunder ( 17205 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:55PM (#7756884) Homepage Journal
      Prohibition does not work.

      It does work if the vast majority of the population believes in it and doesn't have a need to go against it. This is the reason why the prohibition of alcohol did not work, since basically it was a vocal minority imposing their law on a majority that didn't agree. Also in general cases alcohol does not get on anyone's nerves. The same can't be said of spam. We can tolerate small amounts, but beyond a certain point its enough to create a mob to want to do something about it. You can choose not to drink alcohol, you can chooses not to smoke, you can choose not to go where people smoke, but you can hardly choose not to receive spam, when there is nothing you can do about it.
    • by That's Unpossible! ( 722232 ) * on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:56PM (#7756889)
      Your analogy is horrible... prohibition didn't work because people want alcohol. The war on drugs doesn't work because people want drugs.

      Nobody wants spam!

      That is not to say the politicians are going about this the right way, but get a better analogy next time.
      • Somebody wants SPAM or those who send it and use it wouldn't make any money. (But that's probably something like 0.01% of people)
      • Your analogy is horrible... prohibition didn't work because people want alcohol. The war on drugs doesn't work because people want drugs.

        Nobody wants spam!


        It's not about who wants to GET spam, though. It's about who wants to be allowed to SEND spam.

        And obviously, SOME people don't mind getting spam... the response rate needed to sustain a spam operation may be miniscule, but it's still greater than zero. If zero people respond, if companies that resort to spamming see that it's costing them more money
    • I'll back up my (admittedly somewhat bizarre) assertion that fighting spam with legal means is going to be counter-productive.

      First, I agree of course that no-one wants spam in the same way as people want drugs.

      But. The war on drugs fails not only because people want drugs. Few people want international trafficking in women, nor trade in arms, nor trade in near-extinct animals... Yet none of these prohibited businesses do badly at all. In fact, they do very well.

      The principle questions I've asked myself are (a) is it possible to stop spam through law enforcement, and (b) if not, what will the consequence be?

      The answer to (a) is clearly "no" for several reasons. Spammers have developed techniques that allow them to work almost untraceably. Forget open relays, that is very 20th Century. Today's spammers use pirated PCs, of which there are probably millions in undetected active use.

      The answer to (b) is somewhat more worrying. When spammers operate semi-legitimately, however evil and bestial they may be, they will take some concern to avoid breaking other laws. You will not find snuff videos advertised in spam, nor illegal drugs, nor prostitutes,... Penis extenders and Viagra are annoying, but legal AFAIK.

      When spammers are already breaking laws that can land them in jail, why will they stop with a few more felonies. Has the pirated PC be detected and shut down? OK, destroy all data on it, to avoid detection. Sorry, Joe Shmoe. Is there someone blocking your spams through black lists and other means? Perhaps a few bombs in the mail, or even a knock on the door some foggy morning.

      The solution to spam lies not in new laws and new criminal offenses. It lies in the protocols and gateways that allow malware to propagate. It lies in that abominable monoculture that leaves tens of millions of people vulnerable. It lies in the definition of new email protocols that are cynical enough for the 21st century.

      I believe time will show the legal approach to be woefully misplaced. Jail all the American spammers and watch the problem just keep on getting worse.

      Gentlemen, I respectfully rest my case and will now return to my work.
      • The war on drugs fails not only because people want drugs. Few people want international trafficking in women, nor trade in arms, nor trade in near-extinct animals... Yet none of these prohibited businesses do badly at all. In fact, they do very well.

        The alternative to patronizing the international trafficking in women is to develop some personality and looks that will persuade women to boff you voluntarily. (If it's being dominant that you get off on, then you need to find women who willingly cater to th

    • I believe that you're on a good track. Not necessarily that the War on Spam will drive spammers into international crime, but the War on Drugs likely does serve as a good economic model for spam.

      Right now states are taking out the dozen or so really big spammers. With time, it's possible that spamming will be changing scales, from a bunch of big spammers with a few little ones, to all little ones, which will prove much harder to find and prosecute.

      The economic equivalent to this is catching large drug shi
    • Can't resist one more comment.

      According to some points of view, the drug business and the anti-drug forces are locked into a symbiosis. The huge amounts of money being produced by drugs, and being spent on combating drugs, mean that neither side actually has any interest in legalizing the trade.

      Think about this for a second: none of the powerful men actively fighting the drugs trade want to see this trade abolished, for if it were to vanish, so would their position and power.

      Now, why is the drugs trade
  • by Tackhead ( 54550 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:43PM (#7756728)
    Perhaps the Federal "You can Spam" act is a blessing in disguise.

    Because after years of inaction against blatant fraud and trillions of spams, we're finally seeing Attorneys General from several States actually nailing some of these pigfuckers to the wall before the Statewide antispam laws all get overturned by the DMA's spam legalization initiative two weeks from now.

    (My apologies to any of you who actually do fuck pigs for insulting you with a comparison to to Snotty Richter.)

    • by Davak ( 526912 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:06PM (#7756984) Homepage
      With all the pigphucking it's hard to tell if you are trolling or not. You did stir a thought in my head...

      Microsoft and New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer scheduled a news conference Thursday morning to announce the lawsuits.

      Is it common for companies to join with states to sue somebody? We often chuckle that microsoft wants to rule the world... but this is a little too much cooperation with the law if you ask me. I use XP but this is what I imagine happened:

      Bill: "Hey, this @sshole is sending out a lot of spam and people are bitching it's Microsoft's fault"
      AG: "We agree. They are bitching because we can't stop it either. Hell, we don't even know how to trace spam to obtain evidence."
      Bill: "I'll give you the geekpower if you arrest the bastards. We'll all sue and regain our losses."
      *They try to high-5 each other and miss*

      Very strange bedfellows...

      Davak
  • by AltGrendel ( 175092 ) <ag-slashdot.exit0@us> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:45PM (#7756754) Homepage
    ...that way I can just block them at the firewall.
  • Well... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jdifool ( 678774 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:48PM (#7756799) Homepage Journal
    Hi,

    not saying at all that this is not a good initiative in absolute terms.

    But I guess that, if ever it improves to reduce the overall amount of mail, Microsoft will use it as another hoax for testifying the usefulness of their brand-new security-policy.

    Regards,
    jdif

  • Hooray! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Erik Fish ( 106896 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:49PM (#7756800) Journal
    I just hope that they're really going for scorched earth here. It's too bad that the "YOU CAN SPAM" act doesn't have any provisions for Mitnick-style sentencing ("no computer use for X years") because I'm not entirely sure that monetary damages are going to cut it when you're dealing with assmasters like Richter.

  • Must be either Linux or FreeBSD... I wonder, if that's why Microsoft is so upset? Or am I just trolling?
    • You're trolling. Most of popular mass mailers used by spammers are Windows only. In this particular instance it's not MS's fault though since it would be just as easy to write similar programs for Linux or FreeBSD. The real problems are open relays and ISPs who lease lines to these a-holes.
    • I guess they could save a lot of storage space, bandwidth, and machines power at Hotmail, if they could limit the spam.

      ..It would be the best optimization next to switching to FreeBSD.. [rimshot]
  • Boo-ya! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by t0ny ( 590331 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:51PM (#7756827)
    Its nice to see that the information from Spanhaus is now being used to prosecute the spammers.

    Heck, the first time I saw their site I was amazed at how long and how much work they must have put into it. Now its can all be readily be used as evidence against the spamhauses!

  • Spam Ring (Score:5, Funny)

    by Suit_N_Tie ( 128024 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:52PM (#7756847)
    One Spam ring to rule them all...
    • So since The Return of the King has been released these jokes are now funny again?
      • Well, the funny part is that it took that many comments to find one. I mean, I thought surely we'd be suffering from a raging case of Ring Around the Slashdot for the next week or two...

        I'd like to tip my hat to the slathering hordes who managed NOT to make a RoTK joke for at least 20-25 comments.

        Anyway, today I likened seeing a former quasi-boss' transformation during the course of his divorce to watching the Smeagol-to-Gollum transformation (spoilers? I hope not...), so something's definitely catching.
  • by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @03:56PM (#7756892) Homepage Journal
    Check out the website [optinbig.com] of one of the companies mentioned in the CNETNews article. It REEKS of hypocrisy.

    Some interesting quotes from their website:

    "TRUST: In most industries, especially in the Opt-in E-mail business, trust is the most vital, but surprisingly overlooked aspect of business. OptInBig and its employees not only understand this concept, but embrace and practice it on a daily basis."

    "FYI: There are approximately 100 million unique e-mail addresses in North America-OptinBig has access to nearly half."

    "OptInBig: Possesses over 45 million online consumers in its database;
    Has lists available with a reach from 500,000 to up to 16 million online consumers;
    Produces over 20 million page views per month on our clients' websites; and,
    Delivers an average of 350,000 individual website orders per month.

    For a free consultation and to learn which list is best for your current or future business needs, please call (303) 464-8164 to set up an appointment.

    And most interesting: From their Acceptable Use Policy:
    . SYSTEM AND NETWORK SECURITY AND INTEGRITY
    Falsification of Origin. Forging of any TCP-IP packet header, e-mail header or any part of a message header. This prohibition does not include the use of aliases or anonymous remailers.

    4. E-MAIL You may not distribute, publish, or send any of the following types of e-mail:
    Unsolicited promotions, advertising or solicitations (commonly referred to as "spam"), including, without limitation, commercial advertising and informational announcements, except to those who have explicitly requested such e-mails.

    Commercial promotions, advertising, solicitations, or informational announcements that contain false or misleading information in any form.

    Harassing e-mail, whether through language, frequency, or size of messages.

    E-mails containing forged or falsified information in the header (including sender name and routing information), or any other forged or falsified information.

    In addition, you may not use Optin's mail server or another Web site's mail server to relay mail without the express permission of the account holder or the Web site. Posting the same or similar message to one or more newsgroups (excessive cross-posting or multiple-posting) also is explicitly prohibited.

    INDIRECT OR ATTEMPTED VIOLATIONS OF THE AUP, AND ACTUAL OR ATTEMPTED VIOLATIONS BY A THIRD PARTY ON YOUR BEHALF, WILL BE CONSIDERED VIOLATIONS OF THE AUP BY YOU.

  • I don't get it (Score:4, Insightful)

    by IWantMoreSpamPlease ( 571972 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:05PM (#7756975) Homepage Journal
    These guys are breaking the law and their whereabouts are known.

    Why don't we either throw them in jail or form a nice lynch mob and feed them to the aligators?

    After all, who's gonna care?
    • Re:I don't get it (Score:3, Insightful)

      by mabu ( 178417 )
      Contact your local Attorney General. Ask him why he hasn't prosecuted any spammers? There are spammers operating in virtually every jurisdiction and they are trackable. The problem is the local law enforcement authorities are not prosecuting these people. The FBI has plenty of cases against these spammers but they're at the mercy of the AGs who don't take the cases.
  • by StefanJ ( 88986 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:10PM (#7757013) Homepage Journal
    * Daily mega-doses of penis enlargement pills, until their equipment is so capacious that they can't wear pants and lose conciousness from blood running out of their brains every time they get a woody.

    * One-Way Ticket to Nigeria, to meet Rev. Motobu, grand-daughter of the former president, after convincing Motobu that the spammer is the son of a millionaire who loves him deeply.

    * Starring role in a series of adult films set at a petting zoo. A porcupine and alligator petting zoo.

    Stefan
    • * One-Way Ticket to Nigeria, to meet Rev. Motobu, grand-daughter of the former president, after convincing Motobu that the spammer is the son of a millionaire who loves him deeply.
      Wouldn't this be overly cruel to Motobu. I wonder though, what kind of person really marries a spammer (don't some have husbands/wives, children) - and if they know his/her primary business activity?
      * Starring role in a series of adult films set at a petting zoo. A porcupine and alligator petting zoo.

      Please be kind, we don
  • by ozzee ( 612196 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:10PM (#7757018)

    If we all to 30 minutes per day to fight spam, I think we would be far better off.

    I don't know if there are communities of SPAMN fighters but it is obvious that if a small percentage of the population did this, the spam cost effectiveness would disappear.

    Some companies out there are frightful with their attitude. For instance, yesterday I got a mortgage offer which forwarded me to a web site which I entered mostly truthful information except the name was different. The offer came with an "exclusive" security system. Double whammy ...

    I was called back within minutes by a company in Austin TX and when I asked them about their SPAM policy I got a really rude response. I suspect if they get a few more of these phone calls they'll stop doing this. I also found that a large US bank has web pages that refer to this company. Calling the bank and getting a cogent response about spam was engligtening. No one there can help. I suspect a few phone calls from customers could also help this situation.

    Unfortunately, the spammers are pretty astute at making life hell on-line so I think this is only going to work through large numbers of small community groups.

    So a question for the slashdot community. Are there any of you interested in organizing ?

    • If we all to 30 minutes per day to fight spam, I think we would be far better off.

      Maybe the mail admins here would be, but as an individual end user, it's far easier and more efficient for me to try and ignore spam than to aggressively fight it back to its sources.

      Filter what I can, manually get rid of whatever I can't... it requires maybe 1 minute of active work on my part per day. I certainly am not at a loss for other things to do with the other 29 minutes.

  • by erroneus ( 253617 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:11PM (#7757025) Homepage
    No wait... Yay Microsoft!!!!

    I'm very confused...
  • SPAM Broccoli Ring [ncagr.com] - It's absolutely delicious!
  • by sfjoe ( 470510 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:30PM (#7757196)

    Seriously. Between spammers and stock market flim-flammers, Spitzer is the only politician I see that is punishing real criminals.
  • by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:33PM (#7757219) Homepage
    Following the lead of the US Army in Iraq, Slashdot has announced that a deck of cards with the pictures of various spammers and other malcontents villified by Slashdotters has been produced.

    Being #3, Scotty Richter's face has been put on the Queen of Spades.

    It has been suggested that Darl McBride's likeness be used for the deck's joker.

    myke
  • This is good (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ceswiedler ( 165311 ) * <chris@swiedler.org> on Thursday December 18, 2003 @04:48PM (#7757368)
    Remember, the point of anti-spam measures is not to stop all spam completely. The point is to make spam as expensive as other means of marketing such as direct-mail, telemarketing, and fax blasting. Lawsuits can go a long way towards this.
    • Re:This is good (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Jadrano ( 641713 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @07:49PM (#7758945)
      The point is to make spam as expensive as other means of marketing such as direct-mail, telemarketing, and fax blasting. Lawsuits can go a long way towards this.

      I would even go further. Even if lawsuits aren't successful in preventing nearly free sending of bulk mails because there are still offshore servers in some countries, where there is no significant risk of being caught, fined or jailed, lawsuits are still helpful. In that case, they improve the efficiency of source-based filters, which work quite well already and are adopted by an increasing number of mainstream e-mail providers. There is a tendency that those mail sources from which legitimate mail is expected are more risky for spammers (provided there are good laws).
  • If the spammers are using Microsoft software to send the spams then are not Microsoft contributing to the problm and be in the dock with the spammers?
  • by Eggplant62 ( 120514 ) on Thursday December 18, 2003 @08:00PM (#7759023)
    I'm in the middle of a community college library, trying hard not to laugh out loud at the news that Snotty Richter is going to get a taste of the legal hammers of NY State and MSFT combined. Remember, the current AG in NY, Eliot Spitzer, is the same fellow who sued spam factory Monsterhut in 2002. Monsterhut had sued PaeTec, their ISP, after service was withdrawn for AUP violations for their mass emailing. Monsterhut prevailed in front of the first judge in that case, however an appeals court ruling overturned that verdict. The whole legal mess pretty much left the principles behind Monsterhut, Todd Pelow and Gary Hartl, financially ruined (yay!) so that they easily closed their doors and ran. I've not heard an update on the story but if you can ping me on NANAE (Rev Egg Plant), I'd love to hear.

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