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Posted by michael from the semper-paratus dept.
metal_llama writes "There is a story in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about a man, Christopher Blummel, who "has a vision for a better world - one where every man would carry in his wallet a small cellophane packet containing a product that can come in handy in an emergency. Duct tape." This is exactly what I've always wanted: an ever-handy supply of duct tape."
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  • Would they carry the duct tape... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:44AM (#6371217)
    In their duct tape wallet [rpi.edu]?

  • Duct Tape (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    In Soviet Russia, ducts tape you!

  • Macguyver envy? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Mr.Coffee ( 168480 ) * <rhysfeezled@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:46AM (#6371225) Homepage
    Is it just me, or did this guy just watch an episode of Macguyver and go "Hey..."

    That being said i'll bet Richard Dean Anderson's ex-mullet is turning in his grave.

    • I've done it (Score:2, Interesting)

      by vindaci ( 177131 )

      When I saw Macguyver use duct tapes to fix things and tie bad guys' hands, I said, "hey, that's pretty useful." Throughout jr. high and high school, I carried duct tape wrapped around a poker card in my wallet. And I used it, too, and had to refill now and then, and the pesky part was trying to figure out whether I wanted to empty out the card before refilling or just refill right over it. I can't believe some guy is gonna get a patent for commercializing such a simple idea.

  • don't knock the idea... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Xpilot ( 117961 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:46AM (#6371226) Homepage
    My old childhood hero MacGyver has defeated entire armies with just a swiss army knife and duct tape.

  • Wait a minute. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mikeophile ( 647318 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:48AM (#6371238)
    This guy wraps a business card with 18" of duct tape and got a patent?

    I'm not sure what I'm more speechless about. That this guy got a patent, or that this made Slashdot.

    • Re:Wait a minute. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Wakkow ( 52585 ) * on Saturday July 05, 2003 @03:06AM (#6371315) Homepage
      He hasn't officially gotten it yet. It's patent pending.

    • Re:Wait a minute. (Score:5, Funny)

      by standsolid ( 619377 ) <kenny@standsolid ... minus herbivore> on Saturday July 05, 2003 @03:17AM (#6371345) Homepage
      what's so suprising?

      This is a pretty interesting story (what geek doesn't splooge for duct tape?)
      This is new news... I haven't even read it before
      The summary was pretty well written without typos
      People seem to be reading the article before posting... i'ts just another day at slashdot

      wait...
      • Right... see patents are bad when it's Amazon trying to patent the semi-obvious, but when some random guy tries to patent the semi-obvious, well, that's ok, as long as it's something cool.

        Gosh, does anybody read the Slashdot manual before spouting off these days? :-)

    • Re:Wait a minute. (Score:3, Informative)

      by Walt Dismal ( 534799 )
      But someone is already selling small flattened rolls of duct tape. I bought one at Big Lots (a retail chainstore) 4 or 5 months ago.
      • its sitting in my toolbox right now (my little electronics toolbox, doesn't have space for the whole roll). And yeah, 18"? What the hell can you do with that?

        In a slightly related subject, I *used* to carry a duct tape wallet around in highschool (a dual fold with space for 6 credit cards), and even made about a dozen for friends and family. But nowadays I've switched to Manco's neon gaff tape. It holds up about 4x as long, doesn't get nearly as sticky, and its neon bright orange! I've also switched to a t

  • Duct Tape (Score:4, Funny)

    by drskrud ( 684409 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:49AM (#6371244) Homepage
    "Duct tape is a lot like the Force... It has a dark side, it has a light side, and it binds the galaxy together...."

    I can't remember who said that but man is it funny.

    -Skrud

  • Very cool idea, but WAYY too expensive... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by evilviper ( 135110 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:49AM (#6371246) Journal
    Duct tape is great stuff, if only because no othery type of tape is as strong, and I can really understand the need to carry it around for unexpected situations, but at the price he's trying to get for it, there's no way it'll catch on.

    Of course, provided he wasn't granted a patent for it, 3-rd parties should be imitating it in no time, and selling it for a fraction of the cost.

  • while being quite geeky... (Score:5, Funny)

    by mernisse ( 224328 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:49AM (#6371247) Homepage
    ...is there really a need for this? I keep a roll or two of the regular stuff in my car in case something falls off and I need to re-affix it, but do I really need to carry this stuff around like a condom? (obligatory geek remark: not that most of slashdot's readers need condoms, mind you, but still.)

    • Re:while being quite geeky... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 05, 2003 @03:39AM (#6371398)
      I keep a roll or two of the regular stuff in my car in case something falls off and I need to re-affix it, but do I really need to carry this stuff around...?

      No, but it sounds like you need a new car.

    • I was really, really, really, geeky. (Score:5, Funny)

      by LiberalApplication ( 570878 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @12:08PM (#6372522)
      In the 9th grade, some many long-n-odd years ago, I started working at a molecular biology laboratory, as a lab-tech. There, I met Parafilm [parafilm.com], and fell in love. It was like thick, translucent Saran Wrap [dow.com], but so much more bad-ass (as far as a geek like myself could perceive bad-ass-ness).

      It was stretchy, self-sealing, could form sterility-preserving seals. It was acid/base/alcohol/corrosive-resistant, we used it to wrap bottletops before placing them in the autoclave, and god knows how hot it got in there. Heck, we used it to seal unfinished beers.

      I actually took to carrying around a few sheets of it with me everywhere, and I undoubtedly found uses for them. I took a few sheets with me to summer camp, and on the night of the big bonfire, the bigger (and less geeky) children swooped down upon the field and managed to snag all of the long sticks for marshmallow-toasting. After 20 minutes of scavenging, all I could find were a small pile of 6-inch-ish twigs. Parafilm to the rescue! I bound these twigs together into a trifurcated, flame-resistant monstrosity that noone could argue with. Sadly enough, my popularity was not much improved by this feat.

    • ... carrying it around in your wallet won't destroy it. That's gotta be worth something.

  • I think he'll do better if (Score:5, Funny)

    by mikeophile ( 647318 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:50AM (#6371251)
    He markets this as a condom repair kit.

    If you can't duck it, f..k it.

    • Wonderful, as long as no genius decides that if a condom can be patched with duct tape, the entire process would go a little smoother with some WD-40.

      My high school sex-ed class got strictly and specifically lectured that WD-40 was never to be used as a sexual lubricant unless we really really wanted to court chemical burns in places that would be really fun to explain in the emergency room.

    • Yeah, I sure would want The Stickiest Substance Known To Man A.K.A. Duct Tape near my mr. happy, riiight. That's what I call a winning combination, pubes and duct tape.

  • Duct tape --- of course! (Score:3, Funny)

    by NewtonsLaw ( 409638 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:55AM (#6371272)
    A year or so ago we got a new clothes dryer and my wife gave me the job of connecting it to the existing ducting that exhausts the dryer air from the laundry to the outside world.

    I sat down for a while and contemplated how I might make up an adapter flange to join the old ducting (4 inch diameter) to the new dryer (3.5" diameter).

    After several hours walking around the workshop checking to see if I had enough metal and gas to weld up a flange, I spied the obvious -- my roll of duct tape.

    Suffice to say that's the first (and it'll probably be the last) time I've ever used duct tape for taping up ducting.

    Most of the time I use it to hold the gaping wounds together so they don't bleed to bad after a day in teh workshop. (Why are so many tools so sharp? :-)

  • Mind Boggling, really... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tuba_dude ( 584287 ) <tuba.terry@gmail.com> on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:56AM (#6371274) Homepage Journal
    This is simultaneously both the most pointless and the coolest post ever to be on the front page.
  • Red Green would be proud.

    They forgot, however, to include in the instruction manual that it should NOT be used in conjunction with transmission fluid. You need the optional "baling wire add-on kit" to pull that off.
    • The miniature rolls of duct tape will be great if you happend to come across broken miniature duct work. Of course, deferring to Red Green, when it comes to fixing duct work, he recommends masking tape.

      BTW, there are better tapes for fixing small things...and they already come in small rolls, but this is not about using the right tools for the right job.

      • Re:Duct and Duct Work (Score:2, Informative)

        by SN74S181 ( 581549 )
        I almost never keep duct tape around. Because while it might seem like the appropriate thing for a temporary fix, it leaves behind such a messy glue residue when you're ready for the permanent fix that it often does more damage than good.

        In general when something has been repaired with duct tape, it indicates an amateur has been at work maintaining it. Equipment at yard sales, etc. which have anything resembling duct tape attached should be avoided at all cost.

        Black electrical tape is much the same. No

  • If the women don't find you handsome, (Score:5, Funny)

    by MsWillow ( 17812 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:57AM (#6371281) Homepage Journal
    they can at least find you handy. Right? Or did I fall asleep while watching the Red Green show, and am now dreaming of the Red Green /. show? Quick, call Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Service, and get rid of all the trolls!

    *GRIN*

  • Now all we need is some miniature plastic sheeting (Score:5, Funny)

    by God! Awful 2 ( 631283 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @02:58AM (#6371282) Journal
    So if the terrorists attack when you're on the go, you can simply duct-tape yourself into the nearest phone booth.

    -a

  • for thos unexpected biological attacks.. (Score:4, Funny)

    by SystematicPsycho ( 456042 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @03:01AM (#6371293)
    His wallet also comes with a plastic tent, opens his wallet, pushes a button and *whala*, an inflatable plastic tent (with it's own air supply) - Go Go Gadget-Biological safe egloo

  • As a handyman, you only need two tools. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Feztaa ( 633745 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @03:04AM (#6371309) Homepage
    Duct tape and WD-40.

    If it does move, but it shouldn't, you use the duct tape. If it doesn't move, but it should, you use the WD-40.

    What's this guy going to come up with next, a miniature spray can of WD-40?
    • Actually, you forgot one...if it moves, and you don't want it to...WD-40 can make a pretty decent bug spray for small applications (most flying beasties get bogged down pretty well with a little lubing).

    • Handyman my ass! You guys that know nothing but duct tape and WD40 aren't handymen. You are the Tim Allens, the ones who get laughed at by people that know what they are doing.

      You are one step up from women, who see a wing-nut lying next to a un-adorned bolt, and have the natural reaction of throwing the wing-nut away, and forgetting about it completely...

      And the worst thing is, people like me are the ones who end up having to do more work to repair that damage caused when you "fixed" it.

      You wouldn't b
      • There are times when you don't have access to the drill, tap, flanges, bolts etc needed to put the components together properly. Like on the road in the mountains, for example (still haven't found time^H^H^H^H energy^H^H^H^H^H motivation to properly bolt that bumper up we knocked loose on a tree last weekend) :-)

        Nah, actually I think that there are good and bad handymen. The definition really is similar to "Jack of All Trades" except that some of them are Jills. Heh.

        SB (who *is* a handyman, *and* a carpen
      • Oke. As a WOMAN who did her time working apartment maintenance for a housing complex, all i can say is

        I wouldn't mind having a wallet-sized strip of duct tape

        But i'd save it for events when i can't bring my Backpack, which has the full roll in it.

        No, duct tape is not suitable for every job. However, I'm in Boston and was there for the fireworks last night with 2 plastic chairs, 2 ordinary (small) umbrellas, one roll of duct tape, and a 6'x4' piece of cloth, and we were one of the only groups not gettin

  • ...it just lacks duct tape!

    Sorry!

  • Terrorist (Score:2)

    by rve ( 4436 )
    This should come in handy to protect oneself if confronted with terrorism [msn.com] on the road

  • not (intentionally) to be cynical (Score:3, Funny)

    by lingqi ( 577227 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @03:09AM (#6371324) Journal
    During that time, the U.S. Patent Office will search for like products and will decide whether Pocket Duct is different enough to merit a patent.


    I thought they just eat some donuts, laugh with eachother how stupid it is (if they actually read it, anyway), stamp approval, and collect the application fee?

    for fuck's sakes man, just bring some bandaids if you need tape - at least you can use them on yourself, aside from posting presentations on the wall.

    urgh. products designed by sales people. sigh...

  • Useful things for the interstellar hitchhiker (Score:3, Funny)

    by KoshClassic ( 325934 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @03:32AM (#6371380)
    I don't know about the rest of you, but with respect to Douglas Adams, I for one plan on keeping mine next to my towel :)

  • Homemade instructions (Score:3, Interesting)

    by dspeyer ( 531333 ) <dspeyer&wam,umd,edu> on Saturday July 05, 2003 @03:57AM (#6371441) Homepage Journal
    If you want to carry duct tape with you everywhere...
    • Take an ordinary roll of duct tape. As you will observe, it is too large and round to conviniently fit in a pocket or similar. Take a small knife and carve a ring around the inside, putting maybe half an inch outside it. Don't cut all the way around; just pry apart the adjacent layers and pull.
    • In order to do this, you will need to break the inner cardboard. This can be done by brute force.
    • Pull the outer shell off the inner. Cut the single layer of duct tape that still attatches them.
    • Squash the outer ring so that it is linear, with 180 degree folds.
    • Stick it in your pocket, or wherever
    • profit?

    If anyone claims a patent on this, I've got witnesses that I've been doing this for years.

  • First Duck Tape... Then the Internet... (Score:4, Informative)

    by notestein ( 445412 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @03:59AM (#6371444) Homepage Journal
    Another fine offshoot product of the US military.

    Thanks for the Duck Tape Uncle Sam! [ideafinder.com]

  • This is standard practice in the military. And most survival books recommend wrapping duct tape around something other than the standard roll to make it easy to store and carry around. Now if he would have come up with an easy way to remove the crappy residue after it sits in the sun for 2 hours i'd be impressed.

  • Am I the only one? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gerardrj ( 207690 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @04:09AM (#6371464) Journal
    I don't recall that I've ever owned or used a roll of duct tape. The stuff is a cludge, and there's almost always a better way to do something: glue, rope, wire, nails, rivets.
    I just don't go for the cludgy/temporary fix; I'd rather take a few extra minutes and do it right. Duct tape is sticky, leaves a resudue, fails in high heat, deteriorates quickly and smells funky.

    I still don't understand why it's called "duct tape" when ducting is the one thing you DON'T want to use it for.

    • As a previous poster pointed out, it was originaly called "Duck" tape. And it was never designed to be used on ducts. It was a waterproof tape developed to seal Army ammo cans, hence the name "Duck" tape (as in waterproof, like a duck).

      It didn't start getting used to seal duct work until well after WW II. And, as you pointed out, it's a poor choice for that task. On the other hand, it is great to have around in the pits at the track (where it is often referred to as 100-mile-an-hour tape).

    • Tell that to the Apollo 13 astronauts who used duct tape to rig up a CO2 filtering system. Certainly, it could've worked much better if they'd taken the time to properly design a more elegant solution using different materials. But sometimes you just need something that works "good enough" and RIGHT NOW.

      Yes, duct tape is a cludge. In fact, it generally fits into the "it's not pretty but it works" category of quick fixes. If it can be used immediately to save you from certain doom (or perhaps just getti
    • I bet you also do foreplay and cuddle afterwards you pansy. Real men fix things now, not in 5 minutes when they spend some time thinking about how to fix it properly.

      Oh and to remain on topic, anyone else laughed reading that comment on how the patent office checks for prior art? Milwaukee is in the US right?
    • Real professionals [like myself] always use plumbing strap. No residue, not sticky, holds in high heat, stays strong forever, and no smell.

      It also looks much more attractive than duct tape. I should know: in our VERY professional office, we have it holding the telephone to the wall, the chandelier in the meeting room from crashing down (well, just on the side near the door -- the other side is strong enough), and reinforcing the customer's chair, which is right below the chandelier.

      Oh, and did I tell y
  • I was given something just like this, it was in a little package and called "Duck tape"

    How can this guy get a patent for something that already exists and is sold?

    Or will his patent just be denied?
  • There was a duct tape company (whoever makes that duct tape with the duck on it I believe)a few years ago who sold small rolls of duct tape wrapped around a small, flat cardboard card for the purpose of being able to stick it in your pocket. I don't think it exists anymore, at least I haven't seen it for a while (maybe 3 years or so).

  • Okay, for a long time it was cool to point out how Duct Tape, the cheap old standby from when you were a kid, was so technically helpful and reliable and cheap and easy and etc.

    I think we all get the point. Duct Tape is now very well established as a useful item. We all know it is useful. We don't have to keep on pointing out that something that we thought was a little useful was a lot useful.

    Strangely enough, this reminds me of Johnny Cash. When Johnny Cash first hooked up with Rick Rubin, it was

  • Duct tape can be very useful (Score:5, Funny)

    by Aceticon ( 140883 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @06:12AM (#6371691)
    You never know when you need to gag someone.

    I mean some people, just talk and talk and they can't shut up. It's not like everybody has the time and patience to listen to someone just rumble about something or other of no interest. It's even worse when they start detouring from the subject of the whole thing like some 1950's valvule computer with one too many holes in the punch-card, i mean those things must have been a pain to program and all. Not to mention they were big. And hot. Which reminds me of that time i is was driving my van on the highway and *shraaap* *oooo* *oooo*

  • hmm (Score:3, Insightful)

    by luphus ( 201537 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @07:37AM (#6371839) Homepage
    Generally when I find I need duct tape, I'm gonna need more than I'd be able to fit in my wallet...

    But I guess some duct tape is better than no duct tape, right?

  • The origin of Duck (Duct) Tape (Score:4, Informative)

    by jlrowe ( 69115 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @09:03AM (#6371982)
    At one time I was misled by the term "Duct" tape. The original name is "Duck: tape, and the orignal purpose and manufacture I heard on the radio awhile back and is repeated here: Duct vs. Duck [octanecreative.com]

    During World War II the U.S. Military needed a waterproof tape to keep the moisture out of ammunition cases. So, they enlisted the Johnson and Johnson Permacel Division to manufacture the tape. Because it was waterproof, everyone referred to it as "duck" tape (like water off a duck's back). Military personnel discovered that the tape was good for lots more than keeping out water. They used it for Jeep repair, fixing stuff on their guns, strapping equipment to their clothing... the list is endless. After the War, the housing industry was booming and someone discovered that the tape was great for joining the heating and air conditioning duct work. So, the color was changed from army green to the silvery color we are familiar with today and people started to refer to it as "duct tape*." Therefore, either name is appropriate.
  • When I was younger (ages 9 thru 15), I was a ski racer. Now, anyone who's owned a pair of ski boots knows that if they're front-entry, they have little vent in the toe area. The vent is stoppered up with rubber.

    I don't know if technology has improved or if maybe I'm just hardened to it, but I no longer have to do something that we ALL did back then: put a big piece of duct tape over the vent. On a cold day, it would keep your foot warmer. On a rainy day, it would keep water from seeping into your boot.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 )
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  • Transparent Duct Tape (Score:3, Informative)

    by JeffGB ( 265543 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @10:41AM (#6372226)
    3M has recently come out with Transparent Duct Tape. I haven't repaired anything with it yet, but it looks and feels like a big roll of medical tape.
    This stuff is better than Transparent Aluminum! [slashdot.org]
    Here's a link to 3M's website: http://www.3m.com/us/office/scotch/transducttape/ [3m.com]

  • The difference between Geeks and Swingers... (Score:4, Funny)

    by FFFish ( 7567 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @11:37AM (#6372417) Homepage
    ...is that the geeks carry duck/duct tape in their wallets, and the swingers carry a condom.

  • why not just carry a roll? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by kidlinux ( 2550 ) <<duke> <at> <spacebox.net>> on Saturday July 05, 2003 @11:42AM (#6372442) Homepage
    I tend to have a roll of duct tape handy where ever I am. I have a roll that I generally keep in my truck, and often in my backpack. If I go camping, I might as well bring a roll or bring no tape at all. If I'm anywhere else (ie: the city), I couldn't imagine being more than 5 minutes from a roll of tape - because I've got a roll at home, in my truck, or in my backpack (which comes everywhere with me.) Except maybe an airplane... I was going through security once, and they wouldn't let me take my roll on the plane - it can be used as a restraining device. I asked them if they wanted my shoe laces too.

    "...a radiator leak on Highway 80 heading out to Moline..."
    He should have a roll of tape in his trunk to begin with.

    "...presentations where I needed to put something on a wall."
    Briefcase or backpack. A roll of tape is just another piece of equipment you should be toting around with the rest of your presentation materials and hardware.

    Really, for the price, it's a waste of money. If you really want to carry miniscule amounts of tape around then buy a roll and put a few strips on some wax paper.

  • I am HORRIFIED! You call yourselves'geeks'? (Score:5, Informative)

    by The_Laughing_God ( 253693 ) on Saturday July 05, 2003 @12:09PM (#6372525)
    Look, I've loved duct tape since I first encountered the stuff in 2nd grade (my folks are not what you'd call 'handy'), but by age 12, I realized it was just a cheap widely available common denominator for many types of tape with better properties. It's usually not even the best common denominator. The best cloth gaffer tapes are stronger, more durable, tear more neatly, mold better, have better/longer lasting adhesive, and clean up with much less residue.

    Appreciating the merits of duct tape may have been a clever observation once (e.g. in the 70's, it wasn't carried in all hardware stores, much less every retail store, pharmacy and gas station) but now it's cliche - the stuff of stand-up comedy routines that *everyone* understands, even if they are completely 'tape incompetent' (We've all seen it). I see a wide array of uselessly cheap shiny grey plastic (or even paper) so-called duct tapes, because manufacturers know that most people are aware of its reputation, but not its properties and use, and will buy anything that looks similar.

    Too many of the posts sound like "Level 1 geek wannabes" Top quality gaffer tape (for example) may run up to $20 a roll, but it's still pennies per job and it'll handle jobs the plastic stuff won't (including things you wouldn't expect - it's often better for sealing leaks than duct tape, which studies have shown to be the worst option for sealing ducts [consumerenergycenter.org]) I carry top notch gaffer tape in my house and car, not duct tape. I also keep countless other plastic tapes (packing tapes, stranded tapes, etc.) that have greater strength and other properties. Nowadays 'moving' and packing supplies are widely stocked.

    Every geek should be able to improvise, true, but they should also have a fine understanding of the fine points of common tapes. It's the difference between success and failure for those who actually improvise instead of imagining doing it. 95% of the time, a top quality gaffer tape will beat the pacts off duct tape, but the guy in the article knows the duct tape mystique will sell where genuine gaffer tape quality won't.

    The one true advantage of duct tape is that it is somewhat more widely available, in the stores and in your friend's closets. In the 70s, masking tape was everywhere and the duct tape crowd knew masking tape would quickly fail, if it worked at all, for most jobs where duct tape works great- but geek-wannabes and kids used masking tape for every job, and considered themselves clever. A slight edge in availability does not make it any better or less ignorant a default choice. Today, duct tape occupies the place in the market that masking tape once did: a passable cure-all for those who don't know better options exist or can't be bothered to think ahead and stock them.

  • I carry about a 25 cm of duct tape in my wallet, wrapped around my credit card. Besides being useful in the case of an automotive hose burst or embarrassing pants-split (on the inside of the fabric, dum dum), it also discourages me from using my credit card. Which is a good thing.

  • Forget duct tape what is needed is racer's tape (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jhines ( 82154 ) <john@jhines.org> on Saturday July 05, 2003 @01:42PM (#6372837) Homepage
    When watching the Indy 500, I saw pit crews sealing up the (bent) cars with "200 mph racers tape".

    Now what NASA needs is 600+ mph racers tape, for the shuttles.

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