Tim O'Reilly Points Toward Next 'Killer App' 109
santos_douglas writes "Extreme Tech has this article in which Tim O'Reilly, the man behind every geeks favorite tech manuals, points toward four major leading indicators that will predict the next likely 'killer app' to emerge from the hacker community. They are: (1) Amazon.com web services (2) BARWN (3) Hardware hackers and (4) online gaming communities."
Hrmmm (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:Hrmmm (Score:3, Funny)
Plans to
Re:Hrmmm (Score:2)
Geezus! This guy is way behind the times... The most recent fad on that list of famous four is wireless. What a dOrK.
Online Gaming communities (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Online Gaming communities (Score:2, Insightful)
Note, XBox, PS2... all the consoles are really getting hot in the online arena.
Re:Online Gaming communities (Score:2)
Re:Online Gaming communities (Score:1)
Re:Online Gaming communities (Score:5, Insightful)
Ah, but being a user to QuakeNet doesn't automagically mean that they all play Quake. I know plenty of people who reg at QuakeNet yet hate Quake itself... They even hate the entire FPS genre, they're on QuakeNet just for fun or other games or what else. I'm not saying Quake isn't popular, but measuring the popularity of it against the number of users on an IRC network is kinda flawed.
Heck, online gaming communities are flawed imho anyways. If I want to game, I want to fly a spaceship and blow up stuff, trading salvages crap and doing whatnot. I want to run around with a big run, shooting people and getting shot myself. I want to run around with WW2 weapons, jump in aircraft and take the battle to the sky! If I just wanted to chat I wouldn't buy the damn game and join a random community instead.
Re:Online Gaming communities (Score:4, Interesting)
It seems that people who want to play games online already are.
For each of those examples, I'm sure you can find multiple examples of the same thing and glaring "WTF's": Amazon front ends downloadable for free? Isn't that basically what Slashcode and a number of other things are? Oh wait, they're not associated with Amazon. Ubiquitous Wireless Networking? Nice for infrastructure, but IMO hardly a killer app. Oh, and don't get me started on the "Alpha Geeks Hardware Hack into the Security of the System".
WTF?!
Offtopic Sig Reply (Score:1)
And IF it must be a 'vi' mode, at least 'emacs'!!!
But my main point is RIGHT on... richer editing functions from within html forms... it would be a godsend for so many of these web form front ends. (e.g. I've been using Zope for some stuff and I would love this... the problem with an amaya front end being you edit HTML fragments... so a vi or emacs mode would cover more ground.
heres my interpretation (Score:3, Interesting)
It's right there in my email (Score:5, Funny)
No, there is only one killer app everyone really wants and needs. It's the killer app that kills spam...
Re:It's right there in my email (Score:1)
Yes, and it's called SpamAssassin [spamassassin.org].
Re:It's right there in my email - if you confirm (Score:1)
This last week alone I got 1349 SPAM messages, SpamAssassin caught about 1000 but only one SPAM got through TMDA. Not to mention there was no legit email lost.
I have now turned off SpamAssassin for good since it is no longer necessar
Re:It's right there in my email (Score:1)
A spam solution that do
So where's the 'Killer App'? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:So where's the 'Killer App'? (Score:5, Interesting)
My buddies and I used to try and guess the next "killer car" -- the Corvair was our benchmark. It was cheap and available and then suddenly it was rare, expensive, and desireable. The question was what car to buy today that would be worth more tomorrow. So far we're batting zero on that one. The Datsun 240Z and Mazda RX-7 looked promising, but they made so damn many of them that they never became rare. In hindsite I'd have to say we'll never see another Corvair. We were trying to use history to predict the future, but the future is always somehow different in some key way. I think Mr. O'Reilly is making the same mistake.
Re:So where's the 'Killer App'? (Score:3, Interesting)
My question is : (Score:1)
its blatantly gonna be some ultimate (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:its blatantly gonna be some ultimate (Score:2)
however.. freenet is somewhat meant to be.
Re:freenet with real-time chat? (Score:1)
Maybe for normal users, but (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Maybe for normal users, but (Score:3, Funny)
What do.... (Score:3, Funny)
A wireless internet virtual reality gaming chair in which everything, including the chair part, is patented up the wazoo.
Re:What do.... (Score:1)
Distributed P2P Services... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a bit difficult to think of distributed services being for anyone other than uber-geeks and people who desperately need processing power. We've been doing distributed number crunching for a few years now, so it's only a matter of time before distributed services take hold. Distributed downloading, which was started by the various P2P apps and has been almost perfected by BitTorrent is the next iteration of that. Imagine what the next iteration of this tech will bring. Imagine hosting your entire website off of your own computer, but as part of a 'distributed' web with a browser Torrent plugin to make bandwidth seem thicker and easier to come by.
Other distributed services are just around the corner.
BitTorrent holds tremendous potential... (Score:3, Informative)
It has to be handled thru a plugin. Imagine the savings if this HTML worked: <IMG SRC="/very_big_image.jpg.torrent">
Yeah, it works! (Red Hat 9 ISOs so soon were a miracle!)
But the Moz guys need to incorporate Torrent tech directly into the browser! That's serve as a huge wakeup call to IE, and we might see a new feature for the first time in NNN years...
-Ben
Re:Distributed P2P Services... (Score:2, Interesting)
Napster's explosive growth was the first sign that P2P apps had the potential to be a killer app. The wide perception is that the P2P music swapping apps are driving the uptake of broadband usage in the US and elsewhere. Even with their somewhat difficult interfaces and limited success of searches, the current P2P apps are wildly popular.
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MUSIC IS THE NEXT KILLER APP (Score:5, Insightful)
And singles are the driver of Album sales (albeit a loss leader) and priced at the stupidly low levels that they can be set at on a medium like the Internet (99 cents has been mentioned) that is well within the means of teenagers everywhere.
I think this will be a virtuous circle of people putting the singles directly onto iPod mp3 players and the like and then going back for more. This could really change the whole nature of Album sales (often containing more than a couple of duff tracks to make up the numbers) and providing the mechanism for download is both strong enough to be profitable and not too strong as to irritate customers then they could have a winner. Both for the music companies and the Internet as a whole...
Re:MUSIC IS THE NEXT KILLER APP (Score:5, Interesting)
The 10 CDs that I use to buy a year for $140 have been replaced by $40 a month internet service, a $1500 3 year computer replacment cycle, spindles of CDR, and a $600 Pioneer car stereo to listen to my MP3 collection.
I think in the future music will be given away to drive sales of more expensive products. Just like TV shows. Companies give the content away but you still have to buy a $300 box to view it.
Re:MUSIC IS THE NEXT KILLER APP (Score:1)
We'll see them coming (Score:5, Funny)
O'Reilly - Essential BARWN
O'Reilly - Hardware Hackers Pocket Reference
O'Reilly - Online Gaming The Definitive Guide
Re:We'll see them coming (Score:1)
O'Reilly - O'Rielly Catalogue
And in darkness, bind them
Re:We'll see them coming (Score:1, Funny)
This guy is wrong. (Score:4, Funny)
Welcome to the beautiful world of mind control probes.
Re:This guy is wrong. (Score:1, Funny)
Where ever did he get those ideas? (Score:1)
bah (Score:5, Funny)
"Tim Oreilly tries to promote next conference.."
I am so tired (Score:1, Interesting)
what's the obsession with next big thing (Score:2, Insightful)
hardware hacking (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll just say the current generation of microcontrollers is a dream to work with, and programmable logic is really hot right now too...
foog (who has been up all night with an Atmel AVR, and the blinkenlights are flashing and the solenoid valves are clacking and everything's worked as designed so far, just with the usual minor hitches...)
Re:hardware hacking (Score:1)
Re:hardware hacking (Score:2)
a) my first AVR project and
b) my first microcontroller project in almost ten years and
c) I'm getting paid for it
than I am about any of the application details.
If I'd known how straightforward assembly on these buggers is, I'd probably have skipped wrangling with C compilers.
I probably should have made clear, to be fair above, that the article itself was pretty vague on the "hardware hacking" issue and it's apparently Tac
Re:hardware hacking (Score:1)
HyperCard-OS (Score:5, Interesting)
If it runs as slick as HyperCard, it should become the new basic minimum of computer-literacy, so a creative community would inevitably grow up around it.
Build it on top of Linux and offer it for Internet Appliances, and it could put Microsoft out of business. But wireless and web-services and multiplayer gaming don't seem central to me, at all.
Re:HyperCard-OS (Score:2)
Hey, I didn't know Hypercard had a time travel stack!
I think Notes was first released about two years ('89) after HyperCard ('87).
I say (Score:5, Interesting)
Micro-payments!
Yes! (Score:2)
Yes!
Micro-payments, if-and-when they become widely acceptable, will make so many things possible it boggles the mind. The internet is sitting about where the brick-and-mortar (or at the time, cloth-and-tentpole) economy sat before the invention of money: when all trade is barter, many mutually advantageous transactions don't occur because the overhead cost is too high. If all you have to pay with are goats, and you want to buy something worth a milli-goat, what to you do?
Online creditcard payments are
Re:Yes! (Score:2)
At the risk of posting a me-too... this is exactly right.
For writers, micropayments can't come soon enough. I have dozens of stories that were published in paper over the years that I'd love to sell reads to online. But I wouldn't pay more than a few pennies to read short stories online, and I expect most people feel the same. Anyway, when micropayments become a widespread functional reality, there's going to be a new renaissance in literature, or at least in the ability of writers to earn income from
Re:Yes! (Score:2)
I don't know if it works, but it sounds interesting...
micropayments (Score:2)
Well, I'm not sure we will ever see them. It seems most businesses who have anything to do with the internet are busy. Patent fraud. Finding new ways to abuse copyright infringement claims. Sueing everyone.
Don't forget the internet mail order companies--they want to be able to charge you retail, and insane shipping & handling rates. If everyone could buy books, pictures, short video clips for 25 cents, then there would be less purchases of those $30 hardback books, $20 videos, and $10 pictures (togeth
Re: Micro-payments? Never worked. Never will. (Score:2, Interesting)
The Teledon project back in the 1970s used micro-payments, and failed. Project Xanadu was going to be financed by micropayments and failed. Nicholas Negroponte predicted that micropayments would finance the WWW. First Virtual founded an internet bank based on micropayments and went bankrupt.
The problem is that the cost of administering
Re: Micro-payments? Never worked. Never will. (Score:2)
It's pretty simple to work this out. Ask yourself how much is your phone bill? Let's say you only pay twenty bucks a month. Well, what exactly are you paying for here? Most people don't want to believe that they are paying for the billing infrastructure itself, but then you have to ask yourself exactly what does the billing infrastructure include? You can argue till dawn about the details, but I think a very reasonable argument can be made that more than half
Re: Micro-payments? Never worked. Never will. (Score:1)
Re:I say (Score:2)
I've noticed quite a few sites out there using it for transactions in the $1-$10 range. It seems like a good payment mechanism if you just need to charge a small subscription fee or want to charge for some documents.
Re:I say (Score:1)
I pay £60 a month for 2Mb internet connection and run p2p. that's my micropayment(tax)
my pick (Score:4, Interesting)
In car entertainment, based on a PC with 802.11b (download from the house) that plays mp3's with something like GDAM [sourceforge.net] for real time, hands free mixing.
Better Gnutella/Kazaa that allows things like downloading from people with only part of the file.
And finially, a fully modular UI. so that when I install libjpeg and libogg on my PC, anything that can provide a bitmap makes use of libjpeg and anything that can provide a RIFF file makes use of ogg.
Re:my pick (Score:1)
Re:my pick (Score:2)
You could even text to speech / speech to text. Have an email sent to you when someone calls or whatever.
The improvements are intergration with other communications networks, massive low cost feature enhancement and very friendly to people with disabilities.
Geeky kind of cool, but no killer app (Score:1)
Re:Geeky kind of cool, but no killer app (Score:2)
DVD's and CD's took off because they were pushed and branded by the media companies and happened to be benificial to the public. Not because the public lapped up a geekie technology. VOIP, video phones and the like have been touted
Re:Geeky kind of cool, but no killer app (Score:1)
Re:my pick (Score:1)
Good to see that BeOS really was that well designed, I hope trolltech and the KDE peeps take a few good tips.
Patents (Score:2)
Rus
Bandwidth (Score:2)
Specialty cases... (Score:2)
Just my PC-with-a-magical-core's-worth.
RickTheWizKid
Emergency Telecommuting (Score:4, Interesting)
A rundown (Score:1, Informative)
Anarchy Online [anarchy-online.com]
Asheron's Call [microsoft.com]
Dark Age of Camelot [darkageofcamelot.com]
Everquest [sony.com]
Shadowbane [ubi.com] (just released - very buggy)
A Tale in the Desert [atitd.com]
Ultima Online [uo.com]
Horizons [istaria.com]
Eve Onl [eve-online.com]
Re:A rundown (Score:2)
Battlefield 1942 [battlefield1942.com]
This seems to be quite popular. I know it has drawn in people who haven't played MMORPG's before.
Another game with the potential to draw many new users, especially women, to the MMORPG world is:
The Sims Online [ea.com]
...and the best of all... (Score:1)
Tim O'Reilly comments on article misrepresentation (Score:5, Informative)
I didn't say that Amazon web services, BARWN, Xbox hardware hacking, or MMORPGs were "the next killer app." What I said was that all these things were on my radar, and why. My point was not to pick the most important things out there, but to pick four things that people might not view in the same context, and to identify the common element that put them on my radar: They represent the hacker impulse, people pushing the boundaries of a system and coming up with innovations that the original creators didn't imagine. I outlined some of the key elements that put technologies on my radar: hackability, being in line with some major trend (such as the increase in ubiquitous networking), disruptive potential, grassroots enthusiasm rather than top-down corporate promotion but still the presence of professional practitioners and a possible business ecology.
There are many other technologies that are also on my radar. I chose these four to highlight precisely because they seem so disjoint, yet to me show all of the characteristics that I outlined above, the characteristics that make a technology worth following by O'Reilly.
Then may I recommend another one.... (Score:2)
Copies of technical books, offered unrestricted over p2p networks. Now that sounds exciting!
Oh....how brilliant (Score:1)
(1) Amazon.com web services
No kidding? A publisher giving kudos to one of his largest outlets? What a suprise.
(2) BARWN
Wireless. The NEXT big thing? I thought this was the LAST big thing?
(3) Hardware hackers
Interesting. And what a pisser this will be.
(4) online gaming communities
Seriously, has this guy been awake for the last 2 years?
Amazon: CDDB for Books (Score:1)
I'd like to see a way of cleaning up and populating my reading list using the Amazon API, so I've written a small python script that works in straightforward cases -- no heuristics for correcting mistaken titles or author names and such. fun with xml and booklists [goatee.net]
and what were the previous killer apps? (Score:1)
(article doesn't seem to mention any)
my guess list...
mp3/file sharing?
java?
web-browsers?
perl?
inter-networking?
bulletin boards?
spread-sheets?
tex/word-processors?
basic?
unix?
databases?
video-games?
linkers?
debuggers?
compilers?
assemblers?
ballistic modelling?
decryption?
--TRR?--TRR?--TRR?--TRR?--TRR?--TRR?--TRR?--TRR?-- TRR?--TRR?--TRR?--TRR?--TRR?--TRR!
Re:and what were the previous killer apps? (Score:1)
My amazon web services app (Score:2)
Personally I love their web services, easy to use, plenty of information. They have some areas to improve such as switching out ASINs, not including an 'image not found' image, but overall I'm very pleased.
Re:My amazon web services app (Score:2)
You have lent out
12 Angry Men
11 days ago to Robert Jones
100 Girls
9 days ago to Robert Jones
He can keep the angry men, but I wouldn't mind if he hurried up with the 100 girls!
At least now we know... (Score:1)
Automated investing (Score:2)