Chandler 0.1 Released 248
kolchak writes "Very promising news is Chandler 0.1 (the Open Source PIM) has finally been released. 'While we are still very early in the design and
implementation process, we intend for this 0.1 release to make us a more
fully open project. We have made the release available for download,
opened up our bug tracking database, and opened our source code
repository.'" This is Mitch Kapor's attempt to offer an alternative to Microsoft Outlook, especially to small (under 100-person) organizations, last mentioned in December.
Already emulating Outlook well (Score:5, Funny)
No virus propagation yet though, it is only 0.1 I suppose.
I had to ask (Score:2)
Re:I had to ask (Score:5, Informative)
dammit (Score:2)
Re:I had to ask (Score:2, Interesting)
A bloated e-mail client.
I like my e-mail client and my calendar separate, thank you very much, just like I like my e-mail client and my browser separate, and my e-mail client and my text editor separate. It's good that they can talk to one another, yes; but gluing them together is a lousy idea.
Re:I had to ask (Score:2)
Three words: KMail, KOrganizer, KATE.
Re:I had to ask (Score:2)
Re:I had to ask (Score:2)
"alternative to outlook" (Score:5, Informative)
Btw, did anyone find any screenshots?
In that case no one will use it. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:In that case no one will use it. (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, and more important, they are aiming for the small organization. How many 3-10 employee companies would have an exchange server already? How many 10-50 employee organizations in other areas than north america and europe? I know we do not (we're three people total), and we certainly could use something like this, if it is painless enough to deploy.
Re:In that case no one will use it. (Score:2)
Except in the best of all possible worlds - since no-one else seems to have caught the reference... :-)
Re:In that case no one will use it. (Score:2)
Re:In that case no one will use it. (Score:2)
There are lots of Free Software out that doesn't look or act anything like Microsoft software, and those people who switch over will use it and may even like it.
In addition, the idea you've expressed implies the idea that we in the Free Software and Open Source movements don't have any new ideas about making things better. I think that we do, and some features from our work has and will
Screenshots HERE-- (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Screenshots HERE-- (Score:4, Funny)
Be kind and mirror...
I'll keep the files up till morning then the server has to go back to its usual, boring job. Enjoy.
Kinda fun watching a Slashdot effect in progress... blinkin litzen going like hell
Re:Screenshots HERE-- (Score:5, Informative)
njoy (long live university pipes)
btw, it looks kinda..well..dull
Re:Screenshots HERE-- (Score:5, Informative)
(yes, university pipes are nice
Re:Screenshots HERE-- (Score:2)
The dinosaur-themed skins will be in v2.0.
I don't think it's bad to "look dull" (ie look like you'd expect a PIM to look like). Exciting-looking UI is also often confusing UI. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you obviously haven't seen enough half-finished MP3 players that are supposed to look like hi-fis. Bleh.
Features (Score:4, Insightful)
Diary
Sharing of Calenders
Phone book
Now this has all of them as well as a few other cools things like inbuilt IM. Good luck to them I say. However I'm not sure but does the system has a centeral server it good log into rather than just peer to peer as it says?
Rus
Nothing to see (Score:5, Informative)
I just got the XP build, and I can't really see how it bloated to 13mb already. I'll have assume that there's a really large API behind the scenes, because the interface is little more than a MyFirstCalendarApp.vb
Oh and 10 seconds saw me crashing it too, just like the other poster.
Still, it's 0.1, so I'm not grumbling yet.
Re:Nothing to see (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Nothing to see (Score:3, Interesting)
The python22.dll used by py2exe [sourceforge.net] is only 825 Kbytes. There must be a lot more than the Python runtime.
Re:Nothing to see (Score:3, Informative)
bloated, wtf? (Score:2)
The installer includes a cross platform windowing toolkit and python.
Re: (Score:2)
Lotus Agenda (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Lotus Agenda - Now THAT was a PIM! (Score:5, Interesting)
DOS-based, fast as lightning, completely (and intimidatingly) customizable (It opened into a blank page, if I recall correctly). It took any bit of info you wanted to throw at, and allowed you to establish your own relations among the bits. It was a database, an organizer, a rolodex, a "sketchpad for ideas," it was transcendant! No online component (E-Mail, Web) cuz there was no online component to your life -- this was circa 91-92.
In the small office where I was the Tech guru at the time, no two workers' Agenda looked and ran the same -- everybody used it a different way, and the interface reflected that (Ultimately, it was probably that aspect of it which prevented it's widespread adoption in bigger shops.)
Then along came Windows 3.1 and the Web, and upheaval. Lotus spiked Agenda, replacing it with a Win-based Lotus Organizer 1.0. I moved the company over to Jensen's "Commence" program, which held some of Agenda's flavor but proved an administrative bear.
If Chandler can even approach lighting a candle to Agenda (sorry...) -- and run on Linux as well -- I'm there, Opneing Day. But I suspect it'll be targeting the regimented Outlook suits, and not us "Agenda hippies"...
Re:Lotus Agenda - Now THAT was a PIM! (Score:2, Informative)
Of course, we're only on 0.1, so what we get here is hardly representative of what might come.
Re:Lotus Agenda - Now THAT was a PIM! (Score:2)
I tested the "windows version" (Score:3, Interesting)
Well as it is coded in python, this is pretty multiple-platform compatible.
I extracted the windows zip-file and ran the chandler.bat
FIRST IMPRESSIONS
I clicked next on the welcome picture. I immediately noticed that this is a non-standard windows application..
The first thing I tried was simple outlook behaviour. It shows the calendar, but it does not feature any clicking in the calendar (like adding appointments etc). But the weeks are displayed correctly.
It seems like this program is like alpha alpha, and it does not give any functionality (unless you like watching on a week
Ok good luck to the authors. I still think you have a very long way untill you can compete with outlook etc. I suggest taking a look at Evolution first.
Re:I tested the "windows version" (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I tested the "windows version" (Score:5, Funny)
The curse of wxWindows. You can right an application that runs on Windows 95, WindowsXP, Mac OSX, Gnome and KDE, but it won't comply with any of the user interface guidelines on any of them, but at least everyone will be confused equally and on all platforms at the same time.
Re:I tested the "windows version" (Score:2)
Looks fine to me on NT 4.0.
The first thing I tried was simple outlook behaviour. It shows the calendar, but it does not feature any clicking in the calendar (like adding appointments etc). But the weeks are displayed correctly.
You can create an appointment by click-dragging on a day in the weekly calendar view. You type your appointment into the green box. Then you can resize the green bo
Re:I tested the "windows version" (Score:2)
lol
(damn its early...)
Re:I tested the "windows version" (Score:2)
Uhm, you mean like the fact that it's version 0.1, and if you read more than the download section you might notice that it's essentially a preview?
Good job man.
Re:I tested the "windows version" (Score:2)
Wow, you're sharp as a bowling ball. Did you figure that out from the 0.1 release number?
He's been working on it about 8 months (iirc), and to have this many features in that ammount of time for this type of application, I'd say that's pretty substantial. Chandler has the potential to kick the pants off of Outlook-not-so-good when it fully matures.
I'm sorry (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm sorry (Score:2)
I'm a Gentoo user myself, but I gotta admit this is really funny.
TheFrood
what's with the name? (Score:4, Insightful)
Are these people so out of touch with the world most of us live in that they don't realize a lot of people will think of that goofy guy from "Friends" when they hear this name? Personally, I don't want my applications behaving anything like this guy.
Oh, and does this make Outlook Chandler's cross-dressing dad?
Re:what's with the name? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:what's with the name? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:what's with the name? (Score:2)
Monica [freshmeat.net] is a small monitor calibration tool.
Phoebe [ibiblio.org] is a Redhat release.
Rachel [freshmeat.net] is a resource loading toolkit for Java Web Start/JNLP
Re:what's with the name? (Score:4, Funny)
I tried to use it but it kept going down on me.
(yes I know, wrong Monica)
What about support for mobile gadgets? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:What about support for mobile gadgets? (Score:2, Informative)
"Can I access Chandler through the Web or PDA?
We are not committed to develop a Web interface or PDA conduit for the Canoga release. However, these are exactly the kind of features that we expect third-party developers to develop."
They supply the framework, and the community can then easily add functionality. A modular approach is mostly always nice.
Docs (Score:5, Interesting)
Why only Win XP not 2000 or 98 (Score:4, Insightful)
If the goal is to have it used by small and medium sized businesses, why aren't there versions for Win 2000, or 98 ?? Most of the small businesses due to budget restrictions haven't yet updated to Win XP - esp due to its activation feature.
Has anyone tried to install Chandler on older Win versions?
Re:Why only Win XP not 2000 or 98 (Score:2)
Re:Why only Win XP not 2000 or 98 (Score:2, Informative)
client isn't the issue (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure you can build things with LDAP/Imap/web-mail and make them all talk to one-another, BUT you need a server then does alot of this for you...
Until you can point and click your way through a server installation you're not going to win over the MS-Exchange sites.
Yes SuSE have their openmail thing, but need a 'freeware' version of this that runs on *nix (ie more than just Linux, but the *BSD,SOlaris, HPUX, AIX variants as well - like Apache does).
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Martin
Re:client isn't the issue (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:client isn't the issue (Score:2)
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martin
The Drop-In Exchange-Killer (Score:2)
Re:The Drop-In Exchange-Killer (Score:2)
Like I said needs to be cheap to 'buy' and cheap to 'install/run' (ie free) for most to most, other wise whats the point?
Re:client isn't the issue (Score:2)
This project is also specifically not trying to take over existing exchange/notes/outlook installations; they want to do an unrelated design so that people who aren't already tied in can start with software that's ac
Why is everyone obsessed with clients? (Score:5, Interesting)
phpGroupware exposed their API through both SOAP and XML-RPC, and I have yet to see *anything* use their backend, other than an old Delphi frontend for WinXX which was yanked from their site. I'm sure there are other web-based groupware suites that also have web-services available, and yet no one wants to build interfaces to them?
Don't get me wrong, Evolution is a nice toy, but only that in the realm of business until someone decides that they want to interface it with an existing groupware server (other than Exchange, which is quite closed-source...), since otherwise there is no open solution to doing this.
I contacted the Evolution people at least a year ago about interfacing with phpGroupware, to get a reply of "if you can reverse-engineer our calendar API, which isn't documented anywhere, you can write it yourself...". (No disrespect to the developers of Evolution intended, but I'm trying to make a point about the little emphasis any of the major groups seem to place on enterprise adoption.)
Re:Why is everyone obsessed with clients? (Score:2)
Re:Why is everyone obsessed with clients? (Score:2)
The issue isn't speed; it's that there is a server already developed that runs using PHP. Even though everyone says it would only take a little bit of effort to write a good server in C, I really haven't seen any open-source ones.
Writing a plugin to use an already existing server would save developers from having to reinvent the wheel. (Also, with a performa
Re:Why is everyone obsessed with clients? (Score:2)
If you want to sync with Evolution, you should check out MultiSync [sourceforge.net].
I am a developer, currently writing a plugin for Zaurus/Opie devices. MultiSync already has an Evolution plugin that works well.
If you are interested in writing a plugin for PHPGroupware, you should drop by the devel mailing list.
Similar project (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Similar project (Score:2)
0.1? (Score:2)
another 10 years until final release?
No?
Whatever, good luck anyway.
He deserves a chance at least for one thing... (Score:3, Funny)
P2P (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:P2P (Score:2)
SW: A better free alternative (Score:2, Informative)
Mac OS X Screenshot (Score:2, Interesting)
screenshots (Score:2)
to paraphrase rat poison's (x gui/shell) site, screenshots - because too many ppl will bitch in their absence.
The RIAA will... (Score:2)
Chandler will have a rich ability to [... create] a context sensitive "view" of many types of data, mixing-and-matching email, [...] MP3's
Chandler will make it extremely easy to share all types of information with others
There you go, its secured its own death sentence.
Hell, the page even has the words 'peer-to-peer' on it, so you can bet they know about it...
Well, I see why the download is to big... (Score:2)
Why do they feel the need to distribute those packages as part of the chandler cvs tree? Most of these modules have played well together in mixed versions for years.
Not for me... (Score:4, Funny)
split mind (Score:2)
On the other hand, I ask myself why everyone and his dog is copying outlook/exchange? I'm forced to use outlook at work, and frankly, it sucks. The calender is about the only thing remotely useable, and even it has many serious shortcomings.
It can't be that difficult to write something better, can it? I mean,
Huh? (Score:2)
Screenshot? (Score:2)
Something that's missing from almost every PIM (Score:2)
For some reason, the idea that someone might want to journal events as they occur throughout the day seems to have escaped most of the PIM software authors. The prevailing model seems to be that every event is planned, has a date, a start time, and an end time. In many cases, though, it's far more appropriate to be able to log events that aren't planned, but that have just happened - as with an impromptu meeting or a telephone conversation. I'm looking forward to the day when this actually appears in someth
Is Mitch a strict Creationist? (Score:2)
Palm support. (Score:2)
Yes, it works on Windows (Score:5, Informative)
Not coincidentally, the list of supported platforms is the same as wxWindows, since Chandler is written in Python and uses the wxPython GUI toolkit, which is a Python binding to wxWindows.
Re:Windows version ? (Score:3, Insightful)
Next up, comments asking for someone to repost the
Re:oooh yay! (Score:2)
Indeed. Altho Outlook *is* holding me in windows (...and Visio and that bloody Watchguard Control Center). I have yet to see a PIM for Linux that compares to it. Evolution is nice, but is just a clone of the interface.
Now, all I need is integration with my PDA and for it to import my pst files, and according to the FAQ, it's not planned in the near future.
Re:oooh yay! (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, if Evolution is a clone, doesn't it compare to Outlook? I think Evolution has pretty much the same advantage/disadvantage rating as Outlook. In what way does not Evolution compare to Outlook?
(Really - I'm curious!)
Re:oooh yay! (Score:2, Interesting)
Sure there are reasons for trying to make things Outlook-alike, ease of migration for one, but are you sure the Outlook way is the right way? I for one don't use it being of the *nix persuasion, but I have to support it from an administration POV, and I find myself going through the setup/option dialogs in circles. It sucks from that perspective alone.
Good for them that they're at
Dearth means "lack of" (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Dearth means "lack of" (Score:2)
I think the word you are looking for is "sarcasm". ;-)
Re:oooh yay! (Score:2, Interesting)
One problem is that a large percentage of business users use Windows because of Outlook. I can certainly say for myself that although there are reasonable Linux (and Mac) replacements for Word, PowerPoint, and even Excel, I have not yet seen any other application that duplicates the functionality (breadth and depth) of Outlook.
As a "knowledge worker" I'd estimate I spend 50% of my day in Outlook. Outlook really is aimed at managing your working information - emailing or calling someone in your address book
Re:oooh yay! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Does it run on FreeBSD? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Does it run on FreeBSD? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:But Exchange is still better than anything else (Score:2)
Re:Why reinvent the wheel? Evolution already exist (Score:3, Informative)
That said, Evolution is not an answer. Evo is a client. The server side is almost totally lacking. Chandler provides this in the form of a Peer-to-Peer style server/client architecture. What could (and, I believe, should) be done is to write an extension/plugin for Evolution to access the Chandler server functionality.
Re:Why reinvent the wheel? Evolution already exist (Score:2, Interesting)
Chandler is a modernised Lotus Agenda. That is to say, PIM defined as "Personal Information-Management" i.e. "Information I personally want to manage"
Bit of a difference.
Re:Why reinvent the wheel? Evolution already exist (Score:4, Funny)
Um, wait...
Re:exchange (Score:2, Informative)
Kolab server [kde.org] already does this [replacing exchange servers]. It works with either Outlook clients, or KMail clients.
Re:exchange (Score:5, Interesting)
The one thing that will be interesting is what happens when they realize that in most organizations people turn off their machines at night. Will they write a caching server for people's calendars and such? Or will those people's shared resources just vanish?
Downed Machines (Score:2)
Seems like The Right Thing to me, anyway.
Re:any other similar OSS projects? (Score:5, Informative)
IMHO, programs that use the new ical format for storing calendar data are the most useful. I can parse ical files easily with perl (or heck, even bash and egrep) and do all sorts of fun things with the data. There's even a php script that parses ical files for display on your website. Add webdav to your server and you've got a free calendar server for you and your closest friends.
(Sorry for the shameless ical plug).
Re:widget set... (Score:2)
I think it'd look better using GTK2 as well, especially now there is GTK-WIMP for good Win32 integration. GTK also has some really nice stock artwork. I suspect they want it to run on the Mac though.
Re:widget set... (Score:2)
Um.. what? So what is this whole free software thing then? If he has no problems with proprietary software, why did his first encounter with it via a printer driver lead to him starting an entire movement to free software?
Re:When all is said... (Score:2)
Perhaps because its a relatively well-founded open source project trying to fill a gap in the free toolbox (No, Evolution fills not the gap, it doesn't work in Windows), and doing it first with a long time timeframe in mind and second with an idea of paying for itself in the long term. Also, Chandler is meant to be a replacement also for Exchange.
So it's important. If Chandler fails the feasibility of open source as a bussiness model will suffer a dent,