Ghost In The Shell TV Series 142
Briareos writes: "Just found out over at animeondvd.com's forums (no link provided to protect the innocent...) that Production I.G. finally revealed quite some info about the GITS TV series they're currently working on. (I also thought it was a nice birthday present for me, by the way... :)"
Cool! Who's Directing it? (Score:1)
No info on where it'll be picked up? (Score:2, Interesting)
Obligatory "me too" props to the movie. I hope is the show is good.
Now if only I could afford all the Cowboy Bebop episodes I might have to start collecting this stuff, but dam, between the computer parts, the games, the pron, and the consoles, who has money left over for anime imports?
Re:No info on where it'll be picked up? (Score:2, Interesting)
I wish Cartoon Network would branch off a network for adult animation, there is only so much you can hack up anime to make it suitable for kids.
from the article (Score:3, Informative)
Re:No info on where it'll be picked up? (Score:3, Informative)
Whether it'll air on TV or not depends on who gets it, but I guarantee CN will not get it.
Maybe the Action Channel, or Showtime.
Or you could just buy the DVDs. And don't buy Hong Kong bootlegs.
Re:No info on where it'll be picked up? (Score:2)
Re:No info on where it'll be picked up? (Score:1)
Re:No info on where it'll be picked up? (Score:1)
Re:No info on where it'll be picked up? (Score:2)
UPDATE: Bandai got it (Score:2)
Invisibility a la Predator (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Invisibility a la Predator (Score:1)
Re:Invisibility a la Predator (Score:2, Interesting)
Search the net and you'll find the missing page.
Re:Invisibility a la Predator (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Invisibility a la Predator (Score:1)
IIRC, the women are her clients. This is a little side business she has. Recall the conversation about cyborg construction with the nurse. Kusanagi's body has a much higher degree of sensitivity to stimuli than regular humans do, or even most cyborgs. The two women are plugged into _her_, piggybacking on her sensations. That's why when she leaves, they cannot continue by themselves.
It has to be with women though, because Kusanagi's body is female. It wouldn't work, IIRC, with a man, and vice versa. (though I'd rather not think of Batou doing the same thing!)
Also there are four pages missing or retouched, in total.
Makes sense (Score:2)
In fact, it almost seems like it was ended in such a way as to lead intentionally in to a series. (or a sequel.) Does anyone know whether such a thing was planned originally or not?
Re:Makes sense (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Makes sense (Score:1)
Re:Makes sense (Score:5, Informative)
Regarding Ghost in the Shell 2, the creator (Masamune Shirow) has already finished and released the new series in Japan, and is in the process of converting it for an English-speaking audience. The first issue is hopefully due in October of this year, but don't hold your breath - Shirow is notorious for taking his time with these things. To keep an eye on how the manga translation is going, check out www.studioproteus.com and the fan feedback section in particular. Toren Smith updates more or less monthly, and almost always with news regarding GitS2.
Re:Makes sense (Score:2, Interesting)
I agree that a movie would have been a better format for this. Most of the anime movies I've seen tend to be like that, particularly Akira and Ghost in the Shell. Though doing a whole series of Akira, and keeping the level of visual quality would have come at an outragous cost, I'm sure.
Compared to the differences between the movie and print versions of Akira, the changes in GiTS are absolutely trivial. Not to say the Akira movie didn't rock (it still is about the best animation I've ever seen), but the manga has so much more detail it's insane.
I only read the manga after seeing the movie (GiTS was the first 'real' anime I ever saw), so I've never felt too disapointed by the movie. Actually, it enhanced reading the manga a lot, because I would read sections that cleared up some obscure reference or statement in the movie, and think 'Oh, so that's what they meant!', which was kind of cool.
Re:Makes sense (Score:1)
Akira and Ghost in the Shell both sufferend from typical compression that all movie adaptations go though. But in GitS, they completely changed the main character. I wouldn't call that trivial.
Re:Makes sense (Score:2)
That said, I hope they go into depth about the Fuchikomas in the TV series. I was really disappointed they didn't even make a cameo appearance in the movie. Maybe the TV series will take a minute at some point to explain why you need a full cyborg body if you want to enhance your strength and why you can't just replace your muscles with super strong servoes[1].
[1] Arm bends as commanded.
Re:Makes sense (Score:1)
OK. Maybe it's just because I was up all night, but am I missing something? Yes, Motoko kills quite a few less people in the movie, and she's much less of a smartmouth. But I re-read the first half of the manga last night (up to the fight with the guys in Section 1), and I don't think she was completely changed. But given that two responses were made to that effect, maybe I'm wrong, so please clarify.
Even if we agreed on this point, I would still think the delta between Akira(manga) and Akira(movie) is far larger, given that the movie basically is the first 3 (or 2?) volumes, then it skips ahead to the very end of volume 6.
Re:Makes sense (Score:1)
Something worth a mention about, Akira and Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind, was that the manga was far from being complete when the anime was made. In addition these are multi volume books as well. Akira, six, and if I recall, Nausicaa seven or eight.
The same could not be said of Ghost in the Shell. Could the GiTS anime faithfully follow the manga, possibly, but even still would be looking at a two movies.
Re:Makes sense (Score:1)
Re:Makes sense (Score:1)
Re:Makes sense (Score:2, Informative)
GITS2 will eventually make it over to here (probably through a translation by Dark Horse if that isn't already happening), and I believe in Japan a movie based on it is already being made, though I could be wrong.
Re:Makes sense (Score:1)
I'm not sure when/where it was serialized.
I tried reading it, but DAMN....DAMN. That's hard stuff. (And I've translated some damned hard shit)
sweet (Score:1)
Re:Anime Lovers (Score:1, Insightful)
Dimension Films here in the US will be premiering the Cowboy Bebop movie in a matter of weeks.
Then the R1 DVD release will be out.
Support the creators, we say here on Slashdot.
DON'T download vcds.
DON'T buy bootlegs.
SUPPORT the creators and buy a legit copy.
Re:Anime Lovers (Score:1)
Or go try and rent it.
Otherwise, just buy blind. I did when I first got into it, and as you said, I am now a crazed fanboy of the series.
Gotta love it
Re:Anime Lovers (Score:2, Insightful)
I do not buy DVD's, CD's, Games, etc without watching/trying it first. When I try to do it blind, I almost always end up disappointed. I'm not donating $20 to the new-jet-fund of some old corporate fat-boy with me ending up with what might as well be an ordinary chunk of plastic.
Yeah, I leech. I also have over 100 original DVDs(mostly anime), CDs, and tapes. Compare that to less than 10 CDs and a couple of tapes before I started leeching warez, moviez, and mp3z off the internet.
Its not like just because people can and do get it for free, that they will not pay for it.
As for purchasing bootlegs, I do not knowingly buy bootlegs. The one time I did end up with one, I got pissed because I purchased it thinking it was an original. (go ebay...)
P.S. Beware of anime DVD's sold on the net with both Chinesse and English subs.
weekly vs. cenimatic (Score:2, Interesting)
Back in the early 80's, when I was about 7...my absolute favorite activity was getting up Saturday morning to watch anime. I didn't know it was called anime, but I liked it anyway.
As I grew older tho, I turned into a snob *grin* and decided that I needed a minimum level of artistic quality in order to enjoy anime. I still shake my head in disbelief every time I watch Akira.
Anyway I wrote this post because GOS had fabulous artistic merit...and there's no way to reproduce that in a weekly. It just takes too much time to hand draw all those frames.
Re:weekly vs. cenimatic (Score:1)
Hell, Gundam was just picking up steam in Japan.
Mid to Late 80s more stuff was coming over, albeit in the form of stuff shown on Nickelodeon given the shaft by DiC and Nelvana.
And actually, many series are done on a weekly basis. Sure, they can't match movie quality artistry on a week by week basis (too expensive), but they can come close. Most stuff these days is done entirely digitally after storyboards are constructed.
No cels, no ink. All digital.
Re:weekly vs. cenimatic (Score:1)
Re:weekly vs. cenimatic (Score:1)
Digital just simplifies everything, and makes it cheaper.
But it won't make a bad story better.
Re:weekly vs. cenimatic (Score:1)
On the other hand, I don't think Miyazaki would be caught dead doing (say) Lara Croft. =^_^=
Re:weekly vs. cenimatic (Score:1)
Re:weekly vs. cenimatic (Score:1)
ARE YOU CRAZY!
Dude, seriously...were you under a rock or something?!
I used to watch Robotech, Voltron, Galaxy Rangers, and G-Force every afternoon in the early 80's, no cable either. That was all anime. I'd never even heard of Gundam, until I saw a commercial for those suit models a couple months ago. I still don't know the difference between Manga and Anime?
In fact, Galaxy Rangers is the first cartoon I can remember that used Computer Animation in with the drawings, and that was like '84.
DBZ just fuckin' rocks!
Re:weekly vs. cenimatic (Score:2)
I suppose I turned into an anime snob too, but more against dubs (ya, dubs suck), and genres (I have no time for pokemon, dragonball, ninja scroll, etc).
I find myself watching less and less anime though, I don't know if that's because I'm getting older, or because everything is going domestic and just isn't as cool as it used to be when it was obscure and exciting (the golden age of fansubs).
Re:Ghost in a shell II graphic novel release (Score:2, Informative)
Before you ask - no, you can't just mirror the artwork. Right-handed characters would become left-handed, Japan would have people driving on the wrong side of the road, all signs and writing would be backwards, etc. Most of the best-translated manga spends a lot of time back on the drawing table being layed out and adjusted to account for that.
Re:Ghost in a shell II graphic novel release (Score:3, Insightful)
Hey now... they don't drive on the wrong side of the road if you use a mirror -- they are British.
Re:Ghost in a shell II graphic novel release (Score:1)
All of this shows that the moderator of the above post was as clueless as the original poster.
Useless bit of trivia: did you know that Sweden went from left-side driving to right-side driving in the sixties? They had to stop traffic for three days.
Xavier
Re:Ghost in a shell II graphic novel release (Score:2, Informative)
Actually, this is exactly what is done in most cases - and it is certainly done in all of Shirow's works that have been pubished in Enlgish (yes I have most of them and have been a fan of his work for years). Shirow is unusual as far as the fact that he does most of the artwork conversion himself for these releases (mostly changing the shape and size of the dialog "bubbles", but he does other stuff too).
But, the artwork is, in fact, mirrored, and right-handed people do indeed wind up using their left hands for everything.
Re:Ghost in a shell II graphic novel release (Score:1)
In some of the "Blade - of the immortal" (No not the wimpy vampire.) the action gets confusing because all of a sudden the fighter who was hit in the left leg is now hurting in the right leg and such.
It takes about 10 seconds to adjust to reading right to left, and IMHO it adds a certain "geekiness" to the books as well. (In a good way.)
I just don't see why they bother so much flipping the pages. It's not like you can fail to notice that it's Japanese anyways.
Translation (Score:1)
for anyone who has watched Speed Racer, there is a right way, and a wrong way to translate anime.
'All your base are belong to us.'... case dismissed
In related news... (Score:2)
Re:In related news... (Score:2)
Pioneer announced "Mahoromatic", a nice and entertaining series from the creators of NGE, Gainax. They also announced "Chobits". Bandai announced "Argento Soma", a nicer NGE ripoff and "Infinite Ryvius".
If you want to know why it has become hard to find Rahxephon subs now, you should check this node [everything2.com] explaining the ethics of fansubbing. If you don't know what fansubbing is all about, you may check this node [everything2.com] or the homepages of Animeco [animeco.org] or Elite Fansubs [elite-fansubs.com]. Two of the larger fansub groups. Look at "Jungle wa itsumo hale nochi guu" for an example why fansubbing is still usefull.
Re:In related news... (Score:2)
Ripoff maybe, but bad is an opinion. I personally think it is more likely to be aired in the US than Eva, but I still think it's a half-way decent show. I would have to agree that the design style is similar.
Then again, BGC is technically a ripoff of Blade Runner, so it's all relevant.
from the creators of NGE...
And you'ld be refering to those SOBs who couldn't leave well enough alone and gave us "Death and Rebirth". The series was great until that.
First, I know why it's hard to find the fansubs...I know all too well about the ethics behind it, and you CAN still find fansubs, they just aren't as easy. And it's really up to the group that's doing it. Some will stop releasing the fansubs as soon as the title is picked up, and some will not stop until the first commercial sub/dub is released. On the other hand, some of the lesser known groups pick up the remaining episodes if there are only a few left...in the case of Rahxephon there are 6 (I think) left...and another group has started doing the subs.
As for fan subs, you're preaching to the choir
So, I can say that I know why they are hard to find, but that doesn't make one happy when I am following a series and right at the climax it's picked up by a commercial house and I have to wait a year or longer just to pick up where I left off.
And I also realise why the dubs are necessary (mass market appeal)....
Re:In related news... (Score:2, Redundant)
For the record, let it be known that I download fansubs. For the things I greatly enjoy, I buy the DVD's to have a high-quality archive copy. For the things I don't greatly enjoy, I delete the files to make room for more fansubs.
I used to be very "straight-edge" and would only buy R2 DVD's or Laserdiscs. This was especially true when US localizers who did things I didn't agree with (like ADV and the Nadesico overlays). I would import R2's to spite the American companies. Recently though, I have realized that R2's are in general a waste of money.
Re:In related news... (Score:2)
Objection, sir.
First, the "ripoff" part. Practically, you can reduce every story so much, so that it is practically a rip off of another story.
(NGE is certainly not the first "Boy Fights Aliens in Robot"-Anime)
Some minor details, which RahXephon contains in contrast to NGE and Argent Soma: RahXephon tells much more about the opponent, who is quite different from NGE and Argent Soma. Ah, and the Time in RahXephon is a bit more twisted.
Second, the "bad" part. This is certainly a personal opinion, but I find the series well drawn and told, not to mention that the soundtrack is by Yoko Kanno. Have a look at her discography [jameswong.com]. I guess, she can choose the projects she works on.
Re:Briarios? (Score:1)
Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:1, Offtopic)
I've been reading slashdot for years and have never figured why anime keeps cropping up here. Does computer geek = anime geek or does the vocal minority here simply make it appear as such?
I ask this question as a computer geek. I hate anime and know very few other computer geeks that really like it. I've known a few anime geeks in my time and sure, they used computers, but they were far from reaching the geekdom truly deserved of the title "computer geek" (whatever that means).
Basically, I'm ranting. I can sort of see how anime is "News for Nerds", but it would be quite a stretch to consider it "Stuff that matters".
Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:1)
I know many people not terribly savvy with computers that love anime.
I also know a LOT of people who do a lot of work who like anime. I also know a lot who don't like anime at all.
Taco and a number of the
Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:2)
A lot of geeks like anime. Some like it too much, they are known as fanboys. If you want to know more about anime fandom, go to Otakon, if you dare. www.otakon.com
Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:2)
So, it makes sense that alot of computer geeks, especially those that play video games will be likely to like Anime.
I like Anime (wouldn't call myself an Anime geek), but I own DVDs of Akira, Bubblegum Crisis, and Eva
And I would call myself a "Computer Geek" (I won't go into this, as it would be quite involving)
Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:1)
To directly answer your question -- A year or so ago, Rob got into anime, started posting about it and soon gave it its own topic. (Partly because all the anime haters complained when it showed up in Movies or TV.)
As you say, it _is_ arguably News for Nerds but mostly it's like the Pete Townshend news that gets posted periodically. Hey, you're an old-timer -- don't you enjoy seeing Rob's fingerprint on the site sometimes? For the most part, it seems like he posts stories out of obligation but his heart hasn't been in the site for years.
Reality check... (Score:3, Insightful)
It's all part of our shared, socially maladjusted heritage. While you may or may not share all of these interests, it shouldn't be too difficult to be able to understand why Slashdot covers them...
Re:Reality check... (Score:1)
Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:1)
Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:2)
e.g. Ghost in the Shell - involves AI, cybercrimes and robots.
Nerd enough for ya?
Personally I'm more partial to Miyazaki Hayao's productions and the manga of Akira Toriyama (Early Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump)
Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:1, Flamebait)
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Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:2)
Have you ever taken the time to read any of the other threads just like yours in every other anime article ever posted on Slashdot?
Actually, no. As I stated in the parent, I hate anime, so I never really read them. And yes, I can disable the anime topic in my settings. I mean to nearly every time I see an anime post, but I always seem to get caught up in something else.
But... have no fear. Someday I'll disable. I mean to as soon as I finish this post. Hopefully the phone doesn't ring or something.
Just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it doesn't matter to anybody else.
Damn. It's not like I'm demanding anime be done with on slashdot. Please. I was asking a question. Why so hostile?
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Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:1)
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Jim: I know, if we don't tell you, you're going to turn into an animal.
Aisha: Who are you calling an animal?!?!
Why does slashdot = computer geek? (Score:1)
Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:2, Insightful)
These things are part of geekdom. You're a geek for collecting hundreds of Magic:TG cards, or for camping out in wait of Star Wars, or going to a Comic-Book con, or watching anime.
We all have different interests, but one of the most popular right now is anime, which happens to be popular with my age group (15-20). My father also reads Slashdot. Does he give a hoot about anime? Of course not. He rarely even cares about "His Rights Online."
That's why the categories exist. For exmaple, I loathe Katz. I could complain about him until I'm blue in the face, or I could block him. Mind you, I don't, because once in a blue moon he'll have a good point and exposition often ends up funny as heck, but if I wanted to badly enough, I could.
Heck, up to about a year ago, I hated DnD and the like. Now my tastes have changed. Slashdot doesn't carry much on the subject, but maybe it did help show me a bit.
Because Tacoboy loves it! (Score:1)
Re:Why does computer geek = anime geek? (Score:1)
Question: (Score:1)
Re:Question: (Score:3, Informative)
From what i have seen in the captured cells on Production I.G the series is looking fairly true to the manga, especially now that they have re-intruduced the Fuchikoma's (robots similar to spiders, som ewith their own personalities such as Batou's) that were criminally left out of the film adaption.
I'm very much looking forward to this series, be it dub'd or sub'd. It will certainly fulfill alot of angst left by the poorly cut-and-pasted plot line of the film.
Cartoon Network pisses me off (Score:2, Interesting)
I tried to find some contact information on their website in order to scream at their programming director, but they seem to have strategically omitted it (or maybe I was just too pissed to see it).
But I think a network that featured the more adult anime on a regular basis (and would actually finish a series) would be great.
FYI: The best of Cowboy Bebop is supposed to be on CN next saturday (6 episodes).
** I'm not going there to die, I'm going there to see if I am still alive. **
Contacting Cartoon Network (Score:1)
From: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/entertainment/tv/sfl-
As well as the potentially lame: http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/gen/help/index.html [cartoonnetwork.com]
Re:Cartoon Network pisses me off (Score:1)
Just wanted to let you know so you don't keep ripping on CN for nothing they had control over.
Press Release (Score:1)
Of course, this wasn't online yesterday when I submitted the story, but since the Production I.G. site linked to Bandai Entertainment for licensing outside of Asia anyway, it's not *that* surprising:
Bandai Entertainment Announces Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex [bandai-ent.com]
Woo, it's looking good... (Score:1)
Re:Woo, it's looking good... (Score:1)
2) Manga Entertainment had nothing to do with the film beyond its distribution. The GitS movie was an entirely Japanese production. If you want to call the director, Mamoru Oshii a fanboy-whore, that's your call.
::whine:: (Score:1)
I've got GitS on every major media format from the past 20 years sans Betamax and RCA CED, though I doubt it came out on CED
Director (Score:1)
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Dave
Yay! (Score:1)
Re:Anime is discusting. (Score:1)
The line "Not just run-of-the-mill raping, either - we're talking about triple-penetration rape by demons." is especially good and, I suppose, marks this as satire instead of flamebait.
At the risk of being taken as a whooshee, it's spelled 'disgusting'. I'm anal about spelling.
Re:Anime is discusting. (Score:2)
I love you (Score:2)
Keep up the good work.