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One DVD To Rule Them All 579

Obiwan Kenobi writes "In a gala event last night New Line Cinema revealed their Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring DVD Plans. This includes a 2-disc version on August 6th (in both Pan & Scan and Widescreen, click here for box art), and a special 4-hour, R-rated cut of the film debuting in a 4-disc set on November 12th. While the August release includes some nifty features, it's the four disc version, with the longer cut and three audio commentaries, that really gets the drool flowing." Now that's what I'm talkin about!
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  • So... (Score:5, Funny)

    by segfault7375 ( 135849 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:06PM (#3234515)

    So, do we hate the MPAA this week?
    • Re:So... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Rayonic ( 462789 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:42PM (#3234732) Homepage Journal
      FYI:

      We like them Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
      We hate them Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.
      And we alternate Sundays.

      Get with the program.
      • ObSimpsons (Score:5, Funny)

        by sharkey ( 16670 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @01:03PM (#3234927)
        Martin:
        • Sundays attitude will be decided via a random number generator. Numbers 1-3 will mean we hate them, numbers 4-6 will mean we like them and numbers 7-9 mean we're flexible: if they put out a good movie, like The Matrix, we like them. If they put out a bad movie, like anything with Leonardo DiCraplio, we hate them.
        Milhouse:
        • Wait...What about 0?
        Bart:
        • Yeah, what about 0?
        Martin:
        • In the unlikely event of a 0, attitude will be decided by rock-paper-scissors competition, best 2 out of 3.
    • Re:So... (Score:2, Insightful)

      "So, do we hate the MPAA this week?"

      What does the MPAA have to do with this? As far as I know, all they do is rate the movie (PG-13, R, etc.)

    • Re:So... (Score:2, Troll)

      by JabberWokky ( 19442 )
      Some people do, some people don't. Where do you live? If I find a person in your home province that says that she hates chocolate and likes vegemite, do I assume that you have the same tastes?

      Personally, I'm trying to buy as few DVDs as possible because I have an HDTV setup and a very large VHS and laserdisc collection - I'd rather convert when there is an HDTV format available. I get some DVDs for a few key movies, but that's it. Now that I've stated my personal choice, are you going to claim all of Slashdot is holding off on buying DVDs, or the internet as a whole?

      --
      Evan

    • Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by dorsey ( 119963 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @01:21PM (#3235062)

      The way I look at it is that we may have bad feelings about drug dealers, but we sure do like them drugs.

      • Re:So... (Score:4, Funny)

        by BigBong ( 309376 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @04:51PM (#3236741)

        Rated R comment. Children turn away now...

        You were warned, so the karma is on you, not me.

        The way I look at it is that we may have bad feelings about drug dealers, but we sure do like them drugs.

        Based on my handle you know where I stand on that comment.

        In this case, I'll admit it - I'm an addict. I don't mind getting bent over this time...

        New Line Cinema: (slap) Who's your daddy?
        BigBong: (grimacing while holding my ankles) Lord...of...the...Rings
        New Line Cinema: (slap) You like it don't you little bitch?
        BigBong: yes! yes! yes!
        New Line Cinema: (slap) And if I come out with another box set, what are you gonna say?
        BigBong: Thank you sir, may I have another?
        New Line Cinema: That's a good girl...

        At least all of the extra features and added violence will qualify as a good reach-around on top of a quality fscking.

    • Re:So... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by thesolo ( 131008 ) <slap@fighttheriaa.org> on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @01:50PM (#3235324) Homepage
      So, do we hate the MPAA this week?

      I know the parent is modded as funny, but it's also a very insightful comment too. Unfortunately, situations like this just show the MPAA that they have us right where they want us.

      Whenever a story is posted about the SSSCA, or Jack/Hilary talking about piracy killing their businesses, we all get up in arms and post hundreds of comments about the RIAA & MPAA being greedy cartels (which they are). But as soon as they release something that we geeks love (Star Trek DVDs, LOTR, etc.), we all jump for joy.

      "Disney sucks, they are buying off Senator Hollings, we need to...ooooh, new edition of Tron on DVD!!"
      "Hilary Rosen is trying to lock down our computers and needs to be sto...ooh, DVD-Audio!!"
      I think you get the idea.

      Unfortunately, I'm salivating over this just as much as everyone else on this thread. I want the LOTR DVDs. I want the Simpsons Box Set DVDs. But do I really want to give money to the MPAA & News Corp when they are trying to squash our rights? Not particularly.

      So, what can we really do about it? Unless we, as a LARGE group all say "Enough, we will boycott ANYTHING you put out, no matter how good it is, until you respect us", nothing will change. The transgressions against us by the MPAA/RIAA will be forgotten as soon as we get our hands on our favorite shiny silver discs.

      This is a perfect chance, people. What a better way to send a message than to boycott LOTR on DVD, or SW Episode 2 in the theater?? (movies that are sure to draw out the geeks who realize exactly what laws they are trying to pass.) I for one will gladly boycott, if it means that we get to keep our rights.
      • Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by tswinzig ( 210999 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @02:14PM (#3235575) Journal
        Whenever a story is posted about the SSSCA, or Jack/Hilary talking about piracy killing their businesses, we all get up in arms and post hundreds of comments about the RIAA & MPAA being greedy cartels (which they are). But as soon as they release something that we geeks love (Star Trek DVDs, LOTR, etc.), we all jump for joy.

        Repeat after me: SLASHDOT HAS MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN ITS COMMUNITY.

        Now think about it.
      • by DreamingReal ( 216288 ) <dreamingreal&yahoo,com> on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @03:49PM (#3236336) Homepage
        Unfortunately, I'm salivating over this just as much as everyone else on this thread. I want the LOTR DVDs. I want the Simpsons Box Set DVDs. But do I really want to give money to the MPAA & News Corp when they are trying to squash our rights? Not particularly.


        Assuming you are a patient person, there is a way to have your cake and eat it too -


        Buy DVDs second-hand


        You get the discs and the MPAA doesn't see one cent of revenue. Plus, you'll have the added bonus of supporting the First Sale Doctrine, which the media and software companies are silently trying to do away with!

    • Twenty hour version (Score:4, Interesting)

      by peter303 ( 12292 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @02:20PM (#3235645)
      I'm looking forward to the director's cut of the merged three movies in 2004. I suspect adding parts from the cutting room floor and revising the three movie scene order will make a smash movie. I'll probably need a lot of Hobbiton weed and Bree beer to watch to it all!
  • Four hours.

    I'll say it again, in italics: four hours.

    I liked LotR, but am I the only person who would smuggle a cyanide tablet in a hollow tooth just in case I really had to watch that much?
    • by sporty ( 27564 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:08PM (#3234531) Homepage
      Yes, 'cause the books combined are well over a 1000 pages and watching the movie would probably work out better for those who can't handle reading a 1000 page book. :)
    • Re:Four hours. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Gehenna_Gehenna ( 207096 ) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (nettenavac)> on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:11PM (#3234554) Homepage
      What are you complaining about man? It's on DVD. Watch it. Pause. eat dinner, go to the bathroom. Stretch. Hit start.4 divided by 2= 2 2hour movies.

      I understand. It's long. If you don't want the 1/2 hour extra footage you can buy the shorter version. Everyone wins.

      I take that last bit back. in the end the people selling me the cd utimately win. Bastards.

    • Your'e complaining about four hours?!? I was hoping that it would come out with the full six hours that someone told me the origional movie was. Now that would be something!!!
    • Re:Four hours. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by CaptainPhong ( 83963 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:51PM (#3234826) Homepage
      Heh, four hours doesn't come close to doing the books justice. The book is an epic adventure through wide spaces, dozens of side stories, meetings with all sorts of interesting people, etc... Heck like half a year passes in the first book. The movie is like "gotta go, gotta go, move move move move move, not enough time, lets skip a few chapters, go go go, action action action, go go go, skip some more, go go go go go, fight some baddies, go go go..." The movie makes it seem like the whole war of the rings took place in 3 days. A movie that actually represented the first book would alone take like 12+ hours, even if some of the more expendable side stories (like Tom Bombadil) were cut.

      If it weren't that mini-series were always so poorly made, it would be better served in that format... Except it would be like 3 seasons long... So, maybe a regular TV show where the entire series is written and shot before it airs... But the first season would have a lot of episodes with no action, so nobody would watch it... Maybe if they took the story and put it in a series of books... Oh, wait...
      • Re:Four hours. (Score:5, Informative)

        by Plutor ( 2994 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @02:11PM (#3235517) Homepage
        Heck like half a year passes in the first book.

        In fact, a little less than 18 years pass during the first book. For seventeen of them, Gandalf is researching the ring and Frodo sits on his ass in Bag End.

        Five months pass between Frodo leaving Bag End until the breaking of the fellowship at Amon Hen. Two of these are spent lounging around Rivendell, and they spend almost an entire month at Lorien. I don't think we'd want to see all of these periods represented accurately in the movie. A sense of urgency in the movie is appopriate and appreciated.
  • Goody (Score:2, Funny)

    by crumbz ( 41803 )
    When will it be available in Hong Kong for US $2.50?
  • R Rated? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Psion ( 2244 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:08PM (#3234526)
    I'm trying very hard not to think of either Hobbits or Sir Ian naked. DOH!
  • Is it just me? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by BLKMGK ( 34057 ) <{morejunk4me} {at} {hotmail.com}> on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:09PM (#3234538) Homepage Journal
    Or are movies going from the big screen to DVD faster and faster? I swear that some of the movies seem to hit DVD before they've hardly left the theater!

    In this case the added commentary tracks are going to be great. Nearly every movie I've seen with these has been interesting. Wild Things and the movie with the kid seeing dead people (argh what was the title) had truly insightful commentaries I thought. I'll be interested to see what the commentaries for this one will have.

    Looking forward to it and am glad to see it coming out so quickly. Nowadays heading to the theater just isn't high on my list - too expensive too. DVD I can watch anytime I want, unfortunatly it supports the damned MPAA :-(
    • ...and the movie with the kid seeing dead people (argh what was the title) ...

      That was I'm Gonna Git You Sucka.
    • by denzo ( 113290 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:44PM (#3234753)
      Or are movies going from the big screen to DVD faster and faster? I swear that some of the movies seem to hit DVD before they've hardly left the theater!
      An August release for LotR isn't that spectacular. That's roughly 7+ months after theatrical release. The magic number for DVD releases nowadays is 6 months (it used to be unheard of, now it's more and more regular).

      Either way, I'm waiting until the November release. :)

    • It's not just you.
      Remember back when we were kids (for me that would be back in the mid to late 80s) when a movie would show up in theatres, and then stay there for a few months?
      Nowadays it's in and out. There's so much crap being produced that only the very top money-makers stay in theatres for more than a few weeks.
      The industry has become a veritable automaton, churning out one box office bomb after another, ending up in such a huge turnaround that they have no choice but to head almost straight to DVD to try and make up some of the money on the failures. The top earners get a small break, staying until the revenues from box-office sales drop off enough to make it reasonable to move to DVD.
      It's all about the profit-margins.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:10PM (#3234553)
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    • by ZaMoose ( 24734 )
      Read the subject. Why, oh why, must all "epic" movies fall prey to the Celine Dion/Enyas of the world?

      I buy DVDs for movies, not incessant caterwauling. Yeah, I know, I don't have to watch that part of the DVD, but, well, I'll feel dirty just knowing that the music video is on there...

      On a side note, I hear that Lucasfilms has contracted John Tesh and Yanni for suitably "epic" songs for Episode 3. *grin*
    • Re:slashdotted (Score:3, Insightful)

      by mosch ( 204 )
      Boycott the MPAA! Fuck Jack Valenti! Buy the Lord of the Rings DVD!

      One of these things is not like the other, one of these things does not belong. Hello kids, can YOU find the proof that slashdot is run by a bunch of hypocritical weenies?

  • by Caractacus Potts ( 74726 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:14PM (#3234587)

    Calm down now! You don't want to work people into a frenzy [bbspot.com] like those rioters in Seattle a couple days ago when LOTR didn't win Best Picture.
  • by FurryFeet ( 562847 ) <(moc.oohay) (ta) (xnaduoj)> on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:14PM (#3234591)
    All those diferent sets are just a way to make us anal-retentive types who just have to have full collections buy several copies of esentially the same movie!
    I can only picture the Gollum-like fan that is going to buy both sets, plus all three of The Two Towers, plus three for Return of the King, plus The Complete Set, The Really Complete Set, The Gold Edition, The Director's Cut Complete Set and several "Behind the Scenes" specials.
    Yeah, I'm talking about you >:) (me? no, of course not... I'm not that crazy... no, really.... my precioussss... I will have you... all.... real soon now....)
  • So... (Score:5, Funny)

    by UserChrisCanter4 ( 464072 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:14PM (#3234592)
    Exactly how much of the extra footage is "closeup of ring" or "closeup of Frodo in awe".

    Somebody walking out of the movie suggested that a good drinking game would be to take a shot every time there was a closeup of the ring. We decided that any viewer, Boris Yeltsin included, would be dead before a single RingWraith had ever appeared.
    • Re:So... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Nilatir ( 179045 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:38PM (#3234699) Homepage
      The Digital Bits [thedigitalbits.com] has good info on the new scenes:

      A new addition to the opening sequence in which Bilbo provides background on Hobbits and their history in voice-over as he writes his memoirs.

      A new introduction to Samwise Gamgee, seen in his capacity as a gardener.

      A scene taking place at the Green Dragon Inn, which introduces us to the camaraderie of the Hobbits (we see them singing together) and sets up the geopolitics of the story.

      The Hobbits witnessing the departure of the Elves from Middle Earth on the way to Bree.

      Aragorn watching over the sleeping Hobbits, singing the ballad of Beren and Luthien to himself in the night.

      Aragorn at his mother's grave, in which we learn that he was raised by Elves and that Sauron has long hunted him.

      Two new moments during the departure from Rivendale, one in which we see Arwen's emotional reaction to Aragorn's leaving, and another in which Elrond sees the Fellowship off.

      A scene with the Fellowship in the mines of Moria, in which we learn how the Dwarves themselves unleashed the fire-demon that eventually destroyed them.

      A scene at Lothlorien, where Galadriel bestows upon each of the Fellowship a gift which will play an important role later in the Trilogy.

      And finally, more footage of the battle at Amon Hen. This is not particularly bloody footage, but its addition will likely result in this cut of the film receiving an R-rating.

  • 9 hour marathons? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Hadlock ( 143607 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:16PM (#3234606) Homepage Journal
    heh. better make that 12 hour marathons, once all three come out. i have a feeling that the R rated footage is probably still high quality, but by "high quality", i mean the same quality as the rock troll, as this is just extra footage that got edited out in mid-production b/c they realised it was too gory. still, a 7 hr star wars marathon was long, with eps 1-6 out by the end of 2006 (hopefully), and LOTR done by 03, you could spend an entire weekend watching pure geek vids! (and some Dr. Who to keep yourself entertained in the late night/early morning)
  • I mean you can only look at frodo being shocked for so long.........
  • No DTS? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PhoenxHwk ( 254106 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:18PM (#3234629) Homepage
    Am I the only one disappointed by the sound getting no better than DD 5.1? I'm all about DTS. And widescreen. I'm still trying to convince some of my friends that you GAIN by watching the widescreen. They always complain that the black bars destroy their viewing experience. Ahh well, a home theater nerd I am. :)
    • Try turning off the lights.

      I'll always watch a movie in widescreen, and it doesn't detract from the viewing for me. But I have some friends like your's who just seem to stare at the black bars for the whole movie. I read in a magizine a long time ago, that turning off the lights helps. I tried it one time with my friends, and they did agree that they didn't notice the bars as much. I even think that is looked better myself.

      As for DTS I'll agree there too, I love DTS, makes things go BOOM! I'm going to get a Yamaha DTS 6.1 receiver next time.
    • I've not known New Line to be as big on DTS as some other studios, like Dreamworks or Universal.

      Also, FotR was filmed in Super35, so there might actually be additional material above and below the black bars. Still, even Super35 is wider than a TV screen so you still have to crop the sides -- and the "additional" material in the frame usually isn't intended to be there, sometimes includes things that should be seen (and as such would be panned and scanned anyway) and FX shots are usually done on the matted frame rather than the open one (so FX shots are panned and scanned anyway).

      If you want to convince your friends, find some movies where the additional information can be seen. Off the top of my head I can identify the scene in Star Trek: First Contact where Picard asks Data to deactivate his emotion chip. There's a website somewhere that shows still-shots from various movies for comparison purposes.
    • by tweakt ( 325224 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @01:18PM (#3235039) Homepage
      "This tv has been modified. It has been formatted to fit your movie." PAN & SCAN should be a CRIME!
  • by jest3r ( 458429 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:18PM (#3234636)
    The theatrical DVD relase should really contain BOTH the pan/scan and widescreen.

    I guess we are starting to see the limitations of current DVD technology (ie not enough space for both versions when its a long movie).

    Back in the day they didn't figure into the equation that interactive features would become so popular / take up so much space. So when the movie is long you run out of room.

    Now would be a good time to release HD-DVD ..

    • Pan and scan is an abomination and I'm glad they aren't going to waste space on the widescreen version for that crap. It is too bad the general public isn't better informed about what P&S really is: the butchering of the director's art and original vision. And it's also unfortunate that video rental places will most likely not stock the widescreen version. :(
      • In a lot of cases, the director participates in the pan and scan version, so you're not butchering anything. Plus, scenes like the famous Star Wars scene where Luke is looking to the far side of the screen are actually not that good cinematographically, because you've got two important points of interest on opposite sides of the screen - unless people go anti-crosseyed - heh - they're not going to be able to see both of them at once, and switching back and forth between the two is a bad idea (it's a movie, not a piece of static art, so the audience's eyes should not be switching back and forth between two different areas unless the action is moving).

        Bah. In any case, pan and scan isn't that bad, and more importantly, it shouldn't take up space. It's the same movie - just displaying different portions of it on screen (and if you don't have thousands of dollars for a TV, or don't want a huge intrusive aesthetically disgusting TV setup, displaying a 16:9 image on a 13" TV will, um, suck). It's just that Hollywood for some reason chose not to make technology to have a combination pan & scan/widescreen capable DVD (see other comments for explanations :) ). They probably saw it as a chance for more money (Hollywood 2: The Search for More Money).

        Plus, I don't know what video rental places you go to: ALL the video rental places around here ONLY have widescreens for DVDs - I can't find pan & scan's anywhere.
    • How long was VHS around before DVD started to make inroads? That amount of time is what consumers expect and like to see tech like this last.

      As an aside, you can bet your ass that any future standard will be even more of a pain in the ass to linux and such than before.

      All this aside, I personally like anamorphic widescreen. Sure, you can't get 4:3 pan and scan, but if you have a 16:9 TV, you get the best of both worlds. IIRC 16:9 aspect ratio is part of the HDTV spec, and since HDTV is mandated in U.S. by 2006, then anamorphic widescreen will play great on all TVs. So from this view, DVDs are not so much showing their age, but showing that TVs aren't up to what DVDs want yet (16:9 ratio)
      • There are more widescreens than I can shake a stick at: normal TV is 1.33:1, anamorphic widescreen is 1.8:1 (roughly), I think there's also 1.6 and 1.5:1, so there will always have to be either some form of pan and scan, or 'black bar' widescreen modes (on a 16:9, they'd be vertical bars, so no big deal...) . On a 16:9 set, this isn't a big deal, since you don't lose resolution, but I can bet my bottom dollar some wacky movie producer will come up with an aspect resolution of 2:1, and we're back to loss of vertical resolution.

        Which I hate. No reason to throw out resolution on 2/3 of the image to gain an additional 1/3 which may be unimportant to the film. But that's just me, which is why I think P&S and fullscreen modes should exist together.

        I can't imagine, for the life of me, why studios didn't make it so that P&S and fullscreen use the same MPEG stream, just with software pan and scan, and include the pan and scan cues on the DVD. Makes absolutely no sense.
        • TV aspect ratio is 1.33:1. This is also the "academy" ratio that movies used before studios went to wider frame. Some people were upset that Gone with the Wind was released in a "full-frame" only edition -- not realising that the movie was filmed that way (as were all movies of the era).

          Widescreen TV aspect ratio is 1.77:1. This is narrower than both of the common movie aspect ratios, however, which are 1.85:1 and 2.35:1. Movies in 1.85:1 are often filmed full-frame or Super35, so usually you can just open up the matte a little bit without introducing complications and thus the movie fills the entire screen. If not, you could just zoom in a bit and the amount of information lost in the sides is miniscule (especially compared to what you get from cropping to 4:3).
          2.35:1 movies will still retain black bars at the top and bottom -- they're just smaller than the ones you'd get on a 4:3 screen.
          • Ah HA! So I was right! :) (note that I said anamorphic widescreen is 'roughly' 1.8 - which is 1.77 rounded :) )

            I don't see why everyone is always so perfectly fine with black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. They're not 'okay', they're a pain, and I would rather have a director/editor choosing what's important to the film and what's not rather than blandly scrapping information from the whole film in general.
    • by barawn ( 25691 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:49PM (#3234809) Homepage
      This is stupid, you know. There's no bloody reason that pan & scan and widescreen shouldn't be THE SAME FILM, using the SAME MPEG-2 stream, on the SAME DVD. After all, it's not like it's a different movie, or anything - this entire mode of "must choose widescreen - must choose pan&scan" is more stupid than I can possible imagine.

      Let me explain: normal TVs are in one format (NTSC), and movies are in a different, but all of the movies are wider than the TV, right? So, Pan & Scan movies aren't cropping, or zooming, or anything: all they're doing is displaying only a "portion" of the screen, and another remaining portion is left offscreen.

      WHY didn't the movie makers come up with a standard to allow a DATA track along side the DVD MPEG stream which cues the DVD player to pan & scan ON ITS OWN? Most people already have "Zoom" features on the DVD player, and then with "left" and "right" buttons you can "pan and scan" manually. All you need is a cue track to move the 'window' left and right. It's a joke - honestly. It would take no effort, everyone would have everything they want, and we'd be happy. And better yet, if there were some scenes where the director said "um, no... I really want to retain the widescreen here" it could simply switch out of pan and scan for a portion of it. Best of both worlds, and all it requires is a really trivial amount of coding (come ON, I could do this in my sleep!).

      Grr. Rant off. Pan and Scan will always be around, simply because different films use different transfer techniques, and while most people say "who cares, I don't mind the black bars" the fact is, it's not the black bars - it's the fact that you're tossing resolution in one direction to gain information (which may be meaningless) in another. I'd rather have the option to see it full screen (that is, pan and scan) rather than having widescreen shoved down my throat.
      • by Dimensio ( 311070 ) <darkstar@LISPiglou.com minus language> on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @01:12PM (#3235001)
        Doesn't work that well.

        First, most DVD players don't have a "zoom" feature. Mine doesn't, and I think that it's only really common on Toshiba players.

        There actually is a standard in the DVD spec for panning and scanning a "wide" image based on the DVD player's setting (16:9 vs 4:3 letterbox vs 4:3 p&s). If it's ever used, it's used in menus that can be displayed wide. Unfortunately it's too flaky to work with the movies themselves.

        Another problem is that it would only be useful for 1.77:1 images. A movie that is 2.35:1 (like Blade or Contact or FotR) couldn't be panned and zoomed without still having small black bars at the top and bottom.

        I'm not sure how having 16:9 resolution affects it either -- though if allowing a movie to be p&sed by the player would require dropping the 16:9 resolution then you can forget it; widescreen affectionadios are not going to be happy sacrificing image quality to appease the peons who like watching butchered films.

        And finally a number of movies aren't filmed directly in the aspect ratio they are shown; they're filmed "full-frame" or at least with more of the image at the top and bottom than what you see onscreen -- it's just that the extra information is matted by the black bars. In those cases you'd look for scenes where you can get away with showing that extra information to minimize the panning and zooming that needs to be done, however there will be times when the top and bottom information shows things that don't need to be there, like set equipment, and CG FX is usually rendered and applied to the finished frame rather than the open frame, so those shots need to be cropped more. Very complicated work and doing that on the fly is not in the DVD spec.
      • Lots of movies (Let's use Titanic as an example) are shot using Super35, where they acually capture more info above and below the 2.35:1 widescreen image used in theaters so they only have to crop off a small portion of the sides and add more material to the top and bottom so they aren't totally destroying the picture. This is as good a compromise as you can find for the people that refuse to watch the black bars, but it does have one problem.


        When you get to the special effects shots, redoing all the effects for the P&S version would be absurdly expensive, so those are almost always just cropped versions of the widescreen image where you are losing almost half the image. I've never seen the end of Titanic in P&S and never want to, but I imagine all those effects scenes lose most of their impact.


        I really wish people would try to educate consumers on the fact that 16:9 HDTV becomes the standard in 4 more years, you will likely own a widescreen set at that point, and so you will have to replace all your DVD's that you get cropped at this point with the widescreen versions in the future. Oh well, I'll take my 2.35:1 widescreen version on my 27" TV and be happy.

    • Actually DVD Angle just published a DVD 101 article that addresses this issue. [dvdangle.com]


      In synopsis, the technology is called "Anamorphic pan&scan," it does precisely what you're bitching about: it encodes screen placement for the DVD for those with the 4:3 option set on their DVD players. Currently it is only seen on some Columbia/Tristar releases, but if it got the recognition it deserved we wouldn't have the MGM debacle where the extras are one side of the disc and the widescreen/pan&scan version of the film is on the other.


      Also, since those links I posted above are slashdotted to hell, make sure you check some of these links for information:

      The Digital Bits [thedigitalbits.com]

      DVD Angle [dvdangle.com]

      DVD @ IGN [ign.com]

  • by TheCyko1 ( 568452 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:19PM (#3234639)
    as a ex-employee of a movie store, i've learend that you shouldn't buy a DVD that's going to be in a series right away, sure it'll be great to be able to watch it and have it so soon, but after the box set comes out you'll punch yourself for buying all of them aready and not getting that cool looking box. So then your going to wonder if you should spend the extra however-many dollars to buy the box set jsut for that cool box, and after you do your gonna wonder if it was worth it jsut for the box, cus sure, the box is cool, but now you have 2 complete sets of the DVDs. on te plus side, you can lend out the old DVDs to friends but on the down side, your not gonna want to open the box set and see all the cool new stuff they have included with the box set cuz the new box look is just so spiffy, but then, on the other hand... you REALLY wanna see the cool new fetures, so you end up with a no longer spiffy looking new box set and a..... um... i forgot where i was going with this... anyways, just wait for the box set to come out cuz box sets are always better than getting the DVD's one by one. you get 2 things, a better deal and more stuff.
  • LOTR as it was on screen was great, but, still overall a kids/everyone movie. Moving it to R rated, DVD only release will make this the grown up picture that we will all know and love!! THANK YOU PETER!!
  • Damn It! (Score:5, Funny)

    by EXTomar ( 78739 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:35PM (#3234681)
    You put the disk in your player but being The One Disk it makes your player disappear. You then end up poking blindly at the front panel for the play button(or eject button...which ever comes first) or finding the long lost remote.
  • One DVD to rule them all
    One DVD to find them
    One DVD to bring them all
    And in the darkness bind them

    So, naturally, I'll wait for that one..

  • I've been explaining to folks in other threads that this movie was probably aimed at about 4 hours, and most of the "why couldn't they have this" complaints should wait until we know what got cut last minute.

    I guess now, I'll get a chance to see.

    There's still a lot like Tom Bombadil, the trolls, etc that I understand P.J. having removed. Some great big gobs of the book have to be cut, even if you make it a FIVE hour movie, and everything that he kept is, IMHO, either essential to the story or essential to getting the movie audience to understand the feel/background of the books. Even the expanded love intrest bit was a way to sneak in some info about the elves.
    • According to a bunch of places that, unless he re-films it, Tom Bombadil isn't going to be in there. Which is too bad, really. I think it would be a tough scene to film, but it adds a lot to the rest of the story. :(

      -Sean
  • The Two Towers (Score:4, Informative)

    by alexjohns ( 53323 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [cirumla]> on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @12:49PM (#3234806) Journal
    Saw an ad for LOTR on TV last night. Starting the 29th, they'll start showing advance previews of Two Towers when you go see Fellowship. The scene they showed on TV looked like Helm's Deep, although it could have been Rohan.

    There's your reason to go see it again.

  • Umm, why not wait 2-3 years and get the "Super Uber Box Set (tm)". Everyone here knows it's going to happen. I mean sure, it was a great movie, and deserves rewards (no matter how little since most of the cash will never reach those that are deserving), but seriously. I doubt many here have the finances to buy the DVD 4 times.
  • YES! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kennedy ( 18142 )
    i'd just like to thank everyone involved with the LOTR project. Not only did you turn out a quality adaptation of fellowship, but you're doing a *DAMN* good job of keeping the fans interested.

    you can count on my hard earned cash when these dvds are released :)
  • As humans.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportlandNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @01:01PM (#3234911) Homepage Journal
    ...I suspect there will be nine DVDs...
  • I know there's people out there that still don't quite understand that you can't fit a rectangle shape into a (roughly) square shape without leaving some space at the top and bottom... but sheesh. They spend all that money on making a movie with very dramatic scenery and giagantic battle scenes only to chop off the sides to appease some segment of the Wal-Mart shopping public who just wants the movie "to fit their whole screen".

    Obviously I'm quite happy that there will be a version that preserves the original aspect ratio (as well there should be), but I just don't get the need to butcher the artform and release a pan and scan version at all. It's time for said Wal-Mart shoppers to get with the program.

    -S
  • by Picass0 ( 147474 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @01:03PM (#3234929) Homepage Journal

    ...and in the box set bind them.
  • Gah. nowadays it feels like i'm working solely to support my DVD habit.
    Just since January we have (released or announced):

    - Star Trek TNG season 1 (*drool*)
    - AbFab, the entire season (ok so this one isnt recent but damn i can't resist the gin-soaked duo)
    - Harry Potter - the Sorcerer's stone
    - Monsters Inc

    And now LotR. What's a lowly programmer to do?

    Thank god for birthdays and christmas.

    Seriously though, isn't this all a bit of overkill? Do we REALLY need to have THREE seperate versions of a single movie released?
    Sure the extra footage is neat, and yes there's probably call for the individual movie and a box set version once all three are released, but do we need the extra release in November?

    Things are getting out of hand when they're packaging extra DVD releases just to fit in all the junk that ended up on the cutting room floor. there's a reason it was cut: it was extraneous and unnecessary.

    ok i'll probably be crucified for that.. but really.. enough is enough. Give us one version so we don't feel like we have to choose between the rent and DVDs.

    The only reason I can see for going this route is to make more money for the already overly commercialized and money-grabbing movie industry. Any die-hard LotR fan (and there's a lot of them) is just GOING to have to have the first version as soon as it comes out. Then, three months later, bang here comes the second release of the same movie with new and improved pretty widgets. And all those same die-hard fans are going to rush out to have the latest shiny new version, complete with extra cutting-room floor bits.

    We won't go into the hypocrisy implied by those same people coming back to /. bemoaning all the money that the MPAA forces them spend to buy their products. Oh the injustice of it all.
  • The DVD's sound great, and I will definitely be getting one on the release date.

    The only thing that would be better is a full HDTV 1920x1080i version of this beauty. A few months ago, JVC announced their "D-Theater", HDTV on a digital VHS tape. LOTR would be the ultimate movie to show off this technology & all your HDTV equipment.
  • The kind of malevolent scum who purchase movies in Pan and Scan format should be shot.

    Actually, no. They should be forced to wear blinkers for the rest of their lives. The IDIOTS who decide to release movies in Pan and Scan movies should be shot. There should be NO OTHER OPTION than to purchase a movie in the proper format.

    What the hell is the POINT of taking a movie with mile after mile of gorgeous scenery, and cutting all the scenery out? What! Why! What kind of FUCKWIT would buy that?

    Put the little cracker assholes in blinkers. They don't want to see the rest of the world except that bit right in front of them. And kill anyone who decides to release a Pan and Scan version.

    Directors should get it in their contract that not under any circumstances is their movie going to be made available in a pan and scan format.
  • by ektor ( 113899 ) on Wednesday March 27, 2002 @02:18PM (#3235612)
    Here's the list of new scenes in the longer cut of the movie:

    -A new addition to the opening sequence in which Bilbo provides background on Hobbits and their history in voice-over as he writes his memoirs.

    -A new introduction to Samwise Gamgee, seen in his capacity as a gardener.

    -A scene taking place at the Green Dragon Inn, which introduces us to the camaraderie of the Hobbits (we see them singing together) and sets up the geopolitics of the story.

    -The Hobbits witnessing the departure of the Elves from Middle Earth on the way to Bree.

    -Aragorn watching over the sleeping Hobbits, singing the ballad of Beren and Luthien to himself in the night.

    -Aragorn at his mother's grave, in which we learn that he was raised by Elves and that Sauron has long hunted him.

    -Two new moments during the departure from Rivendale, one in which we see Arwen's emotional reaction to Aragorn's leaving, and another in which Elrond sees the Fellowship off.

    -A scene with the Fellowship in the mines of Moria, in which we learn how the Dwarves themselves unleashed the fire-demon that eventually destroyed them.

    -A scene at Lothlorien, where Galadriel bestows upon each of the Fellowship a gift which will play an important role later in the Trilogy.

    -And finally, more footage of the battle at Amon Hen. This is not particularly bloody footage, but its addition will likely result in this cut of the film receiving an R-rating.

    It seems like the added scenes will add much needed depth to the movie.

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