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Mandrake 8.2 Available 447

Posted by CmdrTaco from the never-pick-a-mandrake-root dept.
Jester998 writes "Linux Mandrake 8.2 is out! Check out the official annoucement or head off to your closest mirror to grab the ISO images. The release is bound to be amazing, with the return of kernel-secure, a 65MB minimum install, hotplug device support, encrypted filesystems and more!"
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  • Awesome! It's the RH7.2 "killer" (Score:3, Funny)

    by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:34PM (#3183031) Homepage
    not that redhat 7.2 is bad , it's nice .. but really dated... they still only allow up2date go to 4.2.9 while 4.2.17 was out for mostly forever and super stable, and now 4.2.18 is even better (I can use my internal Jaz scsi again!!!!) but no.. redhat users are still crippled with running 4.2.9.

    I was very impressed with the 8.2 betas... time to throw this puppy into the production environment!

    • "they still only allow up2date go to 4.2.9 while 4.2.17 was out for mostly forever"

      Wow! 4.2.9 is much better than the 2.4.19-pre3 I found on ftp.kernel.org.
    • Speak for yourself. I'm running RH 7.2 on my production boxes, and am very happy with the overall performance.

      Of course, you have to compare the stock 2.4.18 kernel with the highly tweaked 2.4.9 kernel from RH.

      P.S. I don't think that the kernel is at 4.x.x yet :P

  • A portrait (Score:3, Interesting)

    by AirLace ( 86148 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:34PM (#3183032)
    A portrait of the Mandrake user [linuxgazette.com] from a collection of Linux User Caricatures [linuxgazette.com]:
    This chap (baby) is the new distro on the market(compared to the others anyway). He is always seen as a new lunix user hence the baby look, and the distro is regarded as one best for beginners to learn who might be migrating from windows to linux.

    • Re:A portrait (Score:3, Funny)

      by Lumpy ( 12016 )
      Problem is that the Gazette article that had those was very lacking... Slackware pre-dates all of them and is considered the true hackers distro due to the fact taht it requires a much higher understanding of the underlying apps and systems (No neato-self config or gui click and drool interfaces... dont get me wrong, I like to click and drool from time to time)

      If you are serious about linux and power you use Slack.. all the other are just candy coated slackware...

      BTW, I still have a CD of the first linux distro Yggdrasil... you dont hear of that one anymore..

      well as my Leet rant finishes up I might as well do the same as the rest and put in a list of props and shouts .....

      Nahhhh... that's for lamers....

      I'll go back to my hole now..

      • Re:A portrait (Score:3, Interesting)

        by athakur999 ( 44340 )
        There's nothing in Mandrake stopping you from downloading tarballs, figuring out your dependencies, compiling, etc.

        If you want to be leet with Mandrake, feel free...

        Anyway, Slackware has lost it's leet status now that Gentoo is here. Slack coddles you too much by providing binaries... ;)

      • Re:A portrait (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Aceticon ( 140883 )
        Beter yet ....

        Slackware installed from floppy disks - Now THAT's a treat form masochists^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hard core Linux users.
      • I still use Slackware.

        In the current state, if you keep using the GUI tools to play with your system, your system WILL break one day.

        I won't say it won't break if you play with it with vi, but at least it is easier to fix, because at least you could have made a log of what you've done.

        Until it is certain that the GUI config stuffies won't mess my system up no matter how I use them, I'll stick with vi.

        And no, I don't want to use a bit of both. Be consistent and you'll stay away from a lot of trouble.

    • Not just for babies anymore (Score:2, Informative)

      by JM ( 18663 )
      Have a look at the latest Netcraft [netcraft.com] survey, and look for Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer.

      That's Mandrake's optimized version of Apache, in use by more than 75,000 web servers, more than Domino or Stronghold (Redhat's secure server).

      So it might be the best one for beginners, but it's used on a lot of servers too.

  • SHhhhhh! (Score:4, Funny)

    by chmod ( 46600 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:34PM (#3183040) Homepage
    I was tinkering around and thought "Oh! MDK 8.2 should be available..." So I cruised over to /. and saw nothing there "Great!" methinks, I may be ahead of the flood.

    So I started downloading. @ ~350KBPS, my usual best rate... This has been slowing and I can't figure why other than..... Did that @#$%!%! post something on /.?

    Yup, story is posted.... sites are /.'ing

    *sigh*
    b

    • Re:SHhhhhh! (Score:2, Informative)

      by niftyeric ( 467236 )
      I've always had great luck with ftp.software.umn.edu, but I can't remember if they have Mandrake or not. I used them when RedHat 7.2 was released and had a steady flow of ~90k/s (which is really good for me). ^_^

      Er, there goes my "great luck."

  • wait a bit before slashing it (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Why not wait a couple of hours before slashdotting it?
  • and I love it! They greatest thing that I liked about it was the built-in support for those Alcatel USB DSL modems. I got stuck with one of those and had trouble getting it to work in other distros. I had to tweak a little to get it to work in the Beta, but it should be all good in the final version.

    Mandrake is a very good distro for the beginner and advanced user alike. I have tried several and this is definitely my favorite. This install is really great and warns you if you are installing anything that is a potential security risk. If you haven't tried it, what are you waiting for?

  • Get it from the Mandrake Club (Score:5, Informative)

    by Eric Damron ( 553630 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:35PM (#3183052)
    You can also get your copy of Mandrake from the download site that is available to people belonging to the Mandrake club.

    Its a fast download and there is additional software available there. i.e. commercial packages.

    At $60.00 per year its a great value!
    • The only thinkg I can find in the download area is additional software. No iso's. Do you have a link?

    • I'm a member and they definetely DON'T have it for download.

      Go ahead prove me wrong.
    • Considering the fact I'm running the MandrakeClub, how come I don't know anything about it? .-)

      No, there are no ISO downloads for users (yet?), we simply don't have enough servers to survive that. MandrakeClub members can download the applications which aren't in the "downlaod edition" from MandrakeClub site, but they have to get the ISOs from the same places as everyone else.

  • List of mirrors (Score:5, Informative)

    by belbo ( 11799 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:37PM (#3183064)
    Hey, easy karma! And to keep the lameness filter happy, I'll sing a little song: see the little goblin, see the little pixie ...

    Czech Republic

    ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/ Mandrake/iso/ [redbox.cz]
    France

    ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/ linux/Mandrake/iso/ [rpmfind.net] (Lyon)

    ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ [ciril.fr] (Nancy)
    Germany

    ftp:// ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mandrake/iso / [fht-esslingen.de] (Esslingen)
    Iceland

    ftp://ftp.mbl.is/pub/mandrake/ iso/ [ftp.mbl.is] (Reykjavik)
    Italy

    ftp://bo.mirror. garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ [mirror.garr.it] (Bologna)

    http://bo.mirror. garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ [mirror.garr.it] (Bologna)
    Slovakia

    ftp://hq. alert.sk/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/iso/ [alert.sk]

    ftp://spirit. profinet.sk/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ [profinet.sk] (Bratislava)
    Taiwan

    ftp://mdk.linux.org.tw/ pub/mandrake/iso/ [linux.org.tw]
    United States

    ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrake/iso/ (North Carolina) [ibiblio.org]

    ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributi ons/mandrake/iso/ [gatech.edu] (Georgia)

    ftp://ftp.math. utah.edu/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ [utah.edu] (Utah)

    ftp://mirror.mcs.anl. gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ [anl.gov] (Illinois)

  • No...don't download the ISO's (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 9632 ( 557628 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:38PM (#3183074)
    Buy them. Mandrake needs the cash.

  • Mirror of announcement (Score:5, Informative)

    by dallen ( 11400 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:39PM (#3183079) Homepage Journal
    Since Mandrake is blocking the slashdot link in the story, here's a mirror.

    Mandrake Linux 8.2: Solid server, Friendly desktop.
    Altadena, CA - March 18th 2002 - MandrakeSoft is proud to introduce Mandrake Linux 8.2 as the most feature-rich, multi-purpose Linux operating system ever made available to the public. This new version of our flagship product combines the power and flexibility of a full-featured Linux server with the simplicity and elegance of well designed graphical user interfaces.

    Mandrake Linux 8.2 is the best "all-in-one" solution for saving time and money with personal computers: installation couldn't be easier with our world-famous graphical installer, and no post-configuration hassles means that your Mandrake system is immediately ready for work. Depending on your requirements, Mandrake 8.2 can be installed either as a full-featured & powerful Linux server, or as a highly productive personal workstation.

    New server features include the ability to use an encrypted filesystem for protecting sensitive data; "kernel-secure" adds important security features to the default Linux kernel; and an "Enterprise" kernel delivers SMP (Symmetric Multi Processing) and Hi-memory support (above 1024 MB) for high-end servers. Mandrake Linux 8.2 also introduces a quick and efficient way to set up printers and scanners; a new file sharing feature for easily sharing files and directories in a networked environment; and improved "hot-plug" support that lets users install new devices quickly and painlessly without having to reboot the system. A new remote desktop utility, RFBdrake, is extremely useful for controlling machines remotely within a LAN or securely through the Internet.

    New desktop features include a completely redesigned Mandrake Control Center that serves as a central location for Mandrake-specific tools and utilities, as well as many new configuration wizards. Desktop users will appreciate the task-oriented menus in GNOME and KDE which greatly simplify locating applications by categorizing them into common "tasks".
    MandrakeFirstTime is an easy-to-use wizard that helps setup a desktop environment (KDE, GNOME, etc.), choose a theme and configure email settings. DrakNet, the Internet connection and network utility, efficiently helps users configure all types of network connections, from common dial-up modems to DSL and cable connections.
    The reworked version of MSEC, a utility for configuring the security level of a machine (Standard, High, Highest, Paranoid) is more powerful than ever. Also included are the latest stable versions of KDE and GNOME which both offer some great new features and applications such as anti-aliased fonts and Evolution (an Outlook-like email client and personal information manager). StarOffice 6.0 is included with the ProSuite and PowerPack Editions.

    "With version 8.2, Mandrake Linux proves that it is the ultimate Linux experience. This new release is the result of our four year commitment to providing the best operating system ever. Mandrake Linux has long been the preferred Linux distribution for individuals, but Mandrake 8.2 marks a new step in our penetration of the corporate environment. The features and unparalleled ease of use make 8.2 an incredibly efficient and affordable alternative to UNIX and Windows 2000" said Jacques Le Marois, CEO of MandrakeSoft.

    Core System Components

    * Kernel 2.4.18
    * Improved Firewire support
    * Support for USB2, ECC memory, i830 DRM, ATA133, Geforce3
    * XFree86 4.2 provides 3D acceleration for many video cards previously only supported in 3.3.6
    * Glibc 2.2.4

    Software and Applications

    * Apache 1.3.23
    * PHP 4.1.2
    * MySQL 3.23.47
    * PostgreSQL 7.2
    * Sendmail 8.12.1
    * Postfix 20010228

    * Staroffice 6.0 is the latest version of the famous Office Suite that boasts integrated creativity and productivity tools, improved interoperability with Microsoft Office files, support for XML file formats, and improved international support.

    * Evolution 1.02 is a full-featured personal information manager and advanced E-mail client. Evolution provides the best features in its class.

    * KDE 2.2.2 (KDE 3.0 RC2 is also provided as an alternative desktop for users who enjoy the bleeding edge) and GNOME 1.4.1 -- Enjoy the latest versions of these popular desktop environments. KDE 2.2.2 includes a new print system which has been integrated with PrinterDrake; GNOME 1.4.1 includes Evolution to closely match the features and look of MS-Outlook.

    Mandrake Linux 8.2 is currently available for x86 processors, and will soon also be available for the PPC platform.

    To find out more about Mandrake Linux 8.2, please visit
    http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/82.php3

    Pre-orders are now being accepted for the Mandrake Linux 8.2 ProSuite and PowerPack Editions at
    http://www.MandrakeStore.com

    Or download your copy today at http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3

    Mandrake Club members are entitled to download proprietary drivers and commercial software for 8.2:
    http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/club/

    About MandrakeSoft

    MandrakeSoft provides a trusted interface between users of information technology and open source developers. The company offers its enterprise, government and educational customers a set of GNU Linux and Open-Source software and related services, and user-friendly and highly competitive information technologies. In addition, MandrakeSoft offers technologists committed to open software and courseware a trusted channel to offer their services.

    The company has technologists in over 20 countries, and is traded on Paris Euronext Marché Libre (Euroclear code: 4477.PA; Reuters code: MAKE.PA) and the US OTC market (stock symbol MDKFF). "Born on the Internet" in late 1998, MandrakeSoft established headquarters in the U.S.A., Montreal, England, Germany and France. Please visit the Web site, http://www.mandrakesoft.com for more information.

  • Truly amazing product, truly amazing company... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by joestar ( 225875 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:41PM (#3183092) Homepage
    I tested one of the latest Mandrake Beta (currently downloading the final), and I have to admit Mandrake Linux, and in particular the 8.2 is really an amazing product. It comes with more features than I ever seen in all other Linux distros, it's now really rock solid, in 2 weeks, I only found 4 or 5 minor bugs in the beta4. It's really a great solution that can be deployed in enterprise, as well as for individual use. That's what I love in Mandrake: I run it for personal use on my laptop, and in my company on one hundred machine, and while it's the same product, the same CDs, it's not at all the same use! On my laptop I'm like a Windows user, in my company we use it like we used our SUN network before...

    I have to say I'm really impressed by how MandrakeSoft, a small and rather fragile company, is keeping on going its own way. They prefer doing more efforts in building and improving a dream OS everyday, keeping the right open source software way, and they try to avoid laying offs by requesting financial contributions of its users (see the Mandrake Club announcement). I don't know what this company is going to become in the next ten years but really, Mandrake Linux and MandrakeSoft are more exciting product and company than Red Hat or SuSE!

  • Star Office 6.0? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by tempest303 ( 259600 )
    uhm.... the release announcement mentions the inclusion of Star Office 6.0 in the "power pack" edition, but a glance at http://www.sun.com/staroffice [sun.com] seems to indicate that this hasn't even been released yet? I wonder if this means Sun will be doing the final release soon?

    • Re:Star Office 6.0? (Score:3, Informative)

      by JM ( 18663 )
      Well, Mandrake Linux 8.2 is out, but the Power Packs won't be in stores until a couple of weeks.
      So technically StarOffice 6 is not available yet.

      During the Linux-World expo in NY, the people at Sun said that basically the final release was ready, but they waited until end of March or beginning of April to clean up some final issues with licensing and partners.

      So expect a PR from Sun real soon.
  • Does anyone know how easy it is to replace a redhat install with a Mandrake one? I'm using Redhat (rawhide) at the moment, but would like to give Mandrake ago.

    • Re:Redhat (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Assuming that you would like to keep your personal files intact, do the following:
      • Sign on as root, cd /home, mv yourname rh_yourname. Repeat this last step for any other users whose files you want to keep. This will also insure that the new Mandrake install will create brand new /home/yourname directory loaded with the proper KDE 2.2.2 init files instead of the old stuff from RedHat.
      • Shutdown and reboot with the cd1-inst CD in place. When you get to the part in the install where you are given the choice to "Use existing partitions", pick this!. Next, do NOT format your home directory.
      • When you get everything installed, etc. and you sign on for the first time, copy your Mail directory from your old rh_yourname directory to its new home before launching Kmail for the first time. Sorry, that's the only MUA I have experience with.
      • Similarly, recover any worthwhile files or directories from your rh_yourname directory.
      • Enjoy

  • 1st Karma Whore (Score:3, Informative)

    by brad3378 ( 155304 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:48PM (#3183154)
    [linux-mandrake.com]
    New Features

    Including what will soon be my favorites:

    New installation features include the ability to download and install updates at install time

    new wizard-oriented rescue mode

    redesigned and polished Mandrake Control Center

    DiskDrake now supports an encrypted filesystem

    Improved URPMI (apt-like package manager) and Software Manager

    Rfbdrake - remotely control an X session.

    New minimal (65 meg) installation mode, which installs nothing but the base system

    Also mentions that StarOffice 6.0 is included, although It doesn't say, I'm sure it's probably the Beta.

    Worth Mentioning:

    Kernal 2.4.18

    Improved Firewire, USB2, ATA133

    Looking Good Mandrake!
    Keep up the great work!

  • EVERYONE!! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:49PM (#3183162)
    Please wait five or six hours before downloading it. I am already downloading it now, and I don't want all you pushing in before I have fininshed. Thanks everyone!

  • Cached articles?? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Milo77 ( 534025 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:50PM (#3183167)
    When are we going to get a nice little "cached" (ala Google) link under a story that takes us to a version cached locally on slashdot's servers. Items in the cache could easily expire after only a day(or even a couple hours). Salshdot's readers would appreciate this as would the poor IT people in charge of the oft-slashdotted servers...

    • Re:Cached articles?? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Aanallein ( 556209 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @06:49PM (#3183549)
      I don't think I've seen more than a handful of articles on slashdot in recent months that didn't have this request. Usually the posts are modded up quite highly as well.

      Now, assuming CmdrTaco and the other powers that be are not completely oblivious to what's happening here, they've seen the request. And despite a general theme of labeling all anti-micorosoft news as interesting, I assume they're somewhat open-minded as well.
      So I figure they've either looked into things, or are still doing so. The problems I can see are (1) huge increase of bandwidth for slashdot itself because of the cache, (2) legal problems, and (3) technical problems with actually doing this.
      Since Google is caching websites as well, I assume (2) and (3) should not be too much of a problem. Oh sure, it might take some time to really talk things through with lawyers and the like, and perhaps this is still happening, but eventually it shouldn't be a barrier. Likewise, slashdot employs some people who're tech-savvy enough that (3) shouldn't be a problem for very long as well.
      Bandwidth however definitely could be a problem. I imagine caching linked to pages, even if it's only the first page directly behind the link, would increase bandwidth use by 50%-150% (remember, only 75% of al statistics are made up on the spot) ;)
      Unfortunately bandwidth costs money. So if this is not something still in development (considering how long these requests have existed, I'd say that is slightly unlikely at this point), they've looked at it, and decided that it's not worth the money.
      Maybe, perhaps, they'd be willing to reconsider if the subscriptions are succesful enough, but I personally don't count on that ever happening.

      The other possibility is linking to the google cache of the linked to pages directly from the article. It's extra effort that's not worth the time since there are plenty of karma whores who will do the same almost as soon as the article's up anyway.

      But basically, I think there's really no use in continuing with these requests. Everything that can be said about it has been said more than once. The powers that be have undoubtedly seen it all. There's little more for us to do than wait and see, or most likely don't see.
      • There's no need to speculate what Taco et al. are thinking with regards to caching linked webpages, it's spelled out nicely in the FAQ [slashdot.org].

        As it says there, the problem is a matter of courtesy to sites that generate revenue from banner ads. They say nothing about being bandwidth-limited or technically challenged.

        This gets pointed out each time somebody asks about caching...surely you saw one of them?

        The most innovative suggestion I've seen recently is that slashdot look for the <META> tags that
        a site can use to tell google not to cache their page. Or perhaps they can invent their own META tag, although I personally think it should be opt-in, not opt-out (i.e., the default should be that slashdot will not cache; only if the slashdot meta tag is found will a cache be created).

  • I still don't like their packaging (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Isldeur ( 125133 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:54PM (#3183190)
    The one thing I never liked (don't know if they still do it, but it was done this way in 8.1) is the way that they take large pakages (such as KDE) and put all of the files in non-standard (according to KDE, I suppose) directories. There's no /opt/kde2, everything is dispersed around the system... /usr/share/kde2/lib, etc...

    While I suppose that this is the "right" way to do it in one sense, it makes adding in other KDE software (whether compiling or what not) very difficult.

    You've got to do some nasty configure black-magic like ./configure --prefix=/usr/blah --bindir=blah blah. Does it have to be this way??
    • I agree, altough I can't think of a sense in which throwing everything under /usr is the "right" way. Redhat does it as well...anyone know why?

    • Re:I still don't like their packaging (Score:5, Insightful)

      by garett_spencley ( 193892 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @06:17PM (#3183341) Journal
      The reason Mandrake does it that way is to be 100% compatible with Redhat. The idea is that you can install any redhat rpm on a mandrake machine.

      I don't agree with this but that's their explanation anyway.

      I really wish they would drop this whole redhat compatibility thing and just follow the LSB.IMO the more distros that follow the LSB the better. It's the best way that I can see to be "compatible" with other distros.

      In the beginning Mandrake was RH with bug fixes, toys and compiled specifically for i586. But it has since grown in to much more than that. Ever since 7.0 they've broken away from that whole "redhat++" thing and I think it's time for them to break this compatibility issue and start following a standards base rather than acheiving compatibility by following another non-standard distro.

      It just doesn't make much sense to me especially if the idea is to make Linux more consistent which seems to be part of what Mandrake is about.

      It's really quite ironic.

      P.S: And you know what the worst part about it is? Mandrake still installs a /etc/redhat-release file.

      --
      Garett

  • Whoohoo! Only a few more weeks... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by cnelzie ( 451984 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:55PM (#3183201) Homepage

    ...before I can download it from am FTP server!!!

    I am very impressed with the tools that they are inlcuding in this release. The best is the ability to RIGHT-CLICK on a folder and then LEFT-CLICK on SHARE!!!

    That is the greatest feature to add to Linux. The medium sized computer manufacturer that I work for is very interested in being able to use Linux in their Server products. Since most of their technical staff and clients have no interest in learning how to configure Samba, this will be a great help.

    Now, all they will have to do is have me or a few of the other techs, go by the machines, or SSH into them to update them on occasion.

    Mandrake is truly bringing Linux to the masses.

    With this one feature, the market share and thus the potential number of commercial products for Linux can and hopefully will increase dramatically.

    --
    .sig seperator
    --
  • I'd like to see a Wallet-sized rescue disk CD in the next boxed distro. Not sure how much cost it will add to the distro, but it seems like it would be inexpensive.

    Yes, I know of several root/boot rescue disks,
    but a disk made specifically for Mandrake might be more useful & user friendly.

    Floppies are unreliable, slow, and don't hold much.

    Include something like Symmantec Ghost for easy backups

    Include CDRW support and USB2/firewire support for those new external burners and hard-drives.

    Stupid idea? - I'd pay extra for it.
    What's everybody else think?

  • P2P ISO Distribution (Score:4, Interesting)

    by CaptCanuk ( 245649 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @05:59PM (#3183218) Journal
    So what's a big problem with Slashdotted ISO releases??? To quote MC Hammer: Hammer time. Those poor distros get nailed so hard that you can't get to an ISO at a reasonable speed for a week. And companies like Mandrake really need all the support they can get. It's great product and I'm sure they have to pay for massive bandwidth with ISO releases (even with all the mirrors from edu sites and the like). Looks like we need a p2p distribution system a la fasttrack network that allows multiple downloads from multiple hosts so that we can waterfall these ISO's. I just hope someday it will be implemented (and more importantly: used by the masses).

    • Re:P2P ISO Distribution (Score:4, Insightful)

      by jilles ( 20976 ) on Monday March 18, 2002 @06:23PM (#3183379) Homepage
      We can do that for them. Just share it with your gnutella client and gnutella will do the rest. Just make sure that you have a client that supports some of the interesting new features (super peer, distributed downloads). Limewire does it all. If enough people share their isos, there'll be plenty of bandwidth
    • Any of the P2P mechanisms probably have it already. Have you looked? Nice thing about P2P is that it doesn't matter if it isn't used by the masses, as long as atleast one person with the file is.

  • Mandrake in trouble (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 18, 2002 @06:02PM (#3183241)
    For all those saying how nice a product this is and how you are downloading the ISO's as you type, something to consider...

    Right on Mandrake's site is what I would call a plea, and what otehrs would call begging for money.

    "Mandrake Linux distribution's short-term future is in jeopardy due to a simple factor: money"

    So perhaps just this once people can go out and buy some CD's to help support this company and make sure there is another release in the future.

    I saw someone else say this earlier, but it got modded up to 2 as Funny... I don't know why buting the CD's to support a company in financial trouble is funny though.

    • Re:Mandrake in trouble (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Why?
      I never pay Micros~1 for their stuff and they're doing OK.
    • So perhaps just this once people can go out and buy some CD's to help support this company and make sure there is a another release in the future.

      A noble sentiment, but if you want to really help then Join the Mandrake club.
      If you buy CD a lot of that money goes towards packaging distribution and marketing.

      --
      Guilty [microsoft.com]

      • Re:Join Mandrake Club instead (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Tsujigiri ( 77400 ) <.moc.liamg. .ta. .enrybjneimad.> on Monday March 18, 2002 @07:48PM (#3183853) Homepage
        A noble sentiment, but if you want to really help then Join the Mandrake club.
        If you buy CD a lot of that money goes towards packaging distribution and marketing.

        True, but buying boxed editions has another positive effect. If lots of people buy the boxes, more stores will stock them, giving the distribution more visibility to people who have not used Linux yet, potentially getting more new users, producing more income. So there are benefits either way.
    • Or you could DL is the ISOs and donate to Mandrake directly, through a credit card, like what I did today (not to trump myself up... but it's good to give support to the industry).

  • SuSE is better (duck!) (Score:3, Interesting)

    by kikensei ( 518689 ) <joshuaNO@SPAMingaugemedia.com> on Monday March 18, 2002 @06:17PM (#3183337) Homepage
    IMHO of course. Actually Mandrake is great. There's no such thing as the "best" distro, whatever works for you. I think SuSE is getting limited acknowledgment 'cause you can't download the ISO's. It is free to copy and you can install via ftp if you'd like. SuSE's YOU (Yast Online Update) and Yast package manager seem far easier to newbie's than Mandrake's equivalent. (haven't tried urpmi, which looks good). You can get SuSE Pro version for $49 bucks including the full DVD and 8 CD's if you buy the "update" version (full without manuals). Some may still prefer Mandrake, but really TRY SuSE. It'll surprise you. I know quite a few Windows "power user" discussion boards where people try Mandrake (as of 8.1) and come back swearing off linux for good. These are the same people that change winXP themes twice a day. SuSE is just easier to get going in 3D gaming (if you've got nvidia at least), make online system updates (as easy as windows updating) and 8.0 comes with KDE3. I've been running KDE3 beta 2 on my 7.3 PC since its release and I'm amazed at how quick and stable it is. If SuSE actually tries to start requiring licenses (mentioned online somewhere today) than I'll be bailing the distro pretty quickly though. Until then I've found my linux distro.
  • OK, I'm already known for being a guy who tells it ilke it is.

    I've been a linux user since 1995, cutting my teeth on Slackware 2. Since then I have seen linux evolve, grow, change directions and broaden it's horizons.

    Here's the lowdown on Mandrake: I thoroughly believe that Mandrake Linux is the single most balanced distrubution available. I have used it for enterprise-scale web servers, for applications development, and even for an experimental wireless data-retrieval system in peru (the very complete internationalization of the Mandrake distro made it the ideal candidate, as well as it's ability to scale down MUCH smaller that I could ever get a red-hat system)

    It's also dandy as a day-to-day desktop workstation.

    However, It has it's caveats, like any distro. It's still too large. I'd like to see what you get with a 65 meg install. If it's got internationalization and a functional x-server as well as some basic ncurses-type config tools, I may end up switching from my own LFS system (weighing in at about 90 megs right now.) Also, like redhat, the configuration tools are a little too complex. If they decide to switch to ONE config manager and ONE only, that doesen't mess with your own customizations, I'll finally start using them. As it is, I don't install any of them, and I edit all files by hand, a-la slackware. However, if you're a newbie, all the drak* tools are VERY well done and perform in a fairly straightforward manner, as long as you're not getting jiggy with the .rc's.

    I must admit, I have a soft spot for Debian, especially as it's going to inherit the HURD, and apt is soooo schweet, but give rpm-drak a try. I hope you won't be disappointed.

    Other than that, well, I'd encourage anybody who believes in supporting an excellent distro to go out and buy a copy, or Subscribe. It's going to be worth the money.
    • However, It has it's caveats, like any distro. It's still too large. I'd like to see what you get with a 65 meg install.

      When discussing Mandrake's "small install" options, let's remember that all the binaries which ship with Mandrake (at least in the x86 version - the most popular one by far) are 586 optimized. What's the smallest hard drive you've ever seen in a Pentium?

      Personally, I'm a bit surprised that they bothered. I don't the idea is to make a "Mandrake for older systems", which is the point of many small distros (such as Tiny). More likely, they're aiming for those expert users who just want the core programs and libraries, and will build their own system from there. For example, users who are setting up a minimal server with as little unnecessary code as possible lying around (in which case I would think that XFree and internationalization tools would not be included).
      • "they're aiming for those expert users who just want the core programs and libraries, and will build their own system from there."

        That's what I'm gonna do. :) I have an old 540MB hard drive kicking around... gonna swap that with the 2.6GB drive that's currently in my firewall/router machine, then rebuild the box from scratch on the 540MB drive using the minimal install option... then install SSH and all the other stuff I need, then put the firewall back into production. Last time I built it, I used Mandrake 8.0 and managed to trim that down to about 150MB... this time around it'll be even smaller, hopefully. :)

        I have a feeling I'm really going to like the minimal install option... Now it'll be very easy to do Linux From Scratch, because you won't need an existing Linux installation to do it!
  • What is this obsession with downloading and burning these huge ISO's? All that bandwidth that gets consumed, yet how many of the programs in the image sit idle and never used? Since I recently converted from Mandrake to Debian, I've got to say, I've turned against the idea of having ISOs. With a fast internet connection, it's so much easier and quicker to just download the boot disk and then just download during setup what you really need. The only useful purpose that I see to ISO's is for creating CDs for people without a good connection, or if you're going to have multiple installs.
    • The idea that a CD is being "tangible"?

      That you know in advance that you'll always have a backup installation to fall onto, that always works, without worrying whether your network connection is down?

  • DAMN! (Score:2)

    by sconeu ( 64226 )
    Just last night, I updated the to the 2802 nVidia drivers... and to Mozilla 0.9.8! I could have waited a day... At least I didn't download the 8.1 ISOs last night :-P
  • Or will that ever happen? HPNA might suck when you compare it to ethernet, but for those of us living in an apartment and having the only widspread outlets being phone outlets, HPNA is perfect. Yes we could run ethernet cable all over the place, but that would be more inconvenience than it's worth. This Mandrake stuff, supposed to be Linux for the home user, should really support Home PNA if they do in fact care about us lowly convenience people...
  • It's absolutely AMAZING how far we have gone! Just stop, take your time and think about it now. Go back to year 1988 and try to recall how your Linux desktop looked and worked back then. In just 4 years these developers have done something that the leading companies managed to achieve in 15 years and it looks like these guys ain't gonna stop here. Wow, that's all I can say when I look at my beautiful, elegant and well performing desktop.

  • During testing, I discovered a bug that's related to the ATA133 patch including in Mandrake's version of the 2.4.18 kernel. If you attempt to install 8.2 with a Promise Ultra TX2 card (the ones packaged with Maxtor ATA133 drives), it will not successfully complete and will destroy your existing installation. I reported this bug on the cooker mailing list and to Mandrake's bugzilla site. It was not fixed before release. Be forewarned and wait for an updated kernel with this bug fixed. Cheers.

  • FreeBSD beats Mandrake for ease of software upgrades and packages due to the Ports Collection and CVSup.

    Mandrake, though, had an easier install that even Forrest Gump could do.

    However, a look at the /etc directory shows Mandrake to be very complicated compared to FreeBSD. Complicated translates to more potential problems and security risks.
  • I've been holding off grabbing any of the release
    candiates hoping the zlib [cert.org], OpenSSH [openbsd.org] and other
    recent security fixes would be incorporated.

    I can't find mention of these updates for 8.2 on
    the Mandrake announcement site, or forums.

    Anyone know if zlib and the gang have been fixed?

    My query about this on the Mdk forums [mandrakeforum.com] was
    immediately marked as "-1: Offtopic" suggesting
    to me the fixes are not there. :/

  • download edition (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jonestor ( 443666 )
    What happened to the download edition that you can buy? That one only cost me about 30 bucks in the store. Now I see that their lowest cost edition cost 60. Are they that low on cash?

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