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da3dAlus writes: "Gundam Wing has been pulled from the Toonami block on Cartoon Network, and the 4th season of DBZ is coming to an end--but that's not nearly the end of the anime hitting U.S. cable TV. CNX: Toonami Revolution has more word on series to premiere on Toonami within the next 4 months. These include Outlaw Star (which is supposed to air as early as January 15) and the original Mobile Suit Gundam (which is set to air in mid March). Among the possible future series are Cowboy Bebop, Magic Knights RayEarth, and Rurouni Kenshin. In the meantime, you can catch an encore presentation of Blue Submarine #6 on January 5, and take heart in knowing that CN has the rights to air the remaining DBZ episodes when they're ready."
Re:Stupid quote (Score:1)
Re:Bleh (Score:2)
express.com used to be very good, and they are for in-stock items, just don't order out of stock items.
DVDplanet.com seems to be stocking anime fairly well these days although I don't like their site engineering, quite bloated for modem use. There are a few others but they don't come to mind.
Bleh (Score:2)
Re:Anime threads on Slashdot (Score:1)
Re:Diversity (Score:2)
IMO, I don't think the frugality of some of the animation production houses necessarily makes their works poorly animated. That's part of the stylistic charm of a lot of shows. Although overly simplistic animation quality in a theatrically-released film can be intolerable, it's always interesting for me to see what Japanese animators are capable of doing with less cels, using less detail, in a TV series or (sometimes) OAV release. A lot of the most interesting frames you can capture from a Japanese series are the simply illustrated ones. (WB's Batman series was refreshing, because it followed a lot of the same principles. Contrast with the more-detailed "Sky Surfers" in syndication...not pretty.)
You're dead-on in saying that they are different from most Western programs, though. A good storyline and good character[/mecha] design are all an animated series needs. Good music and acting go a long way too. Too many American cartoons are produced with only children in mind, meaning all of the above are supposedly optional. Well, I gravitated more towards Star Blazers/Yamato than the Superfriends when I was a kid, and I know a bunch of others who were the same way.
< tofuhead >
Re:Anime threads on Slashdot (Score:2)
I do disagree with the original poster though, show for show that I have watched, it seems that anime is markedly better than US cartoons of late (all IMO, but just watch saturday morning once in a while OK?) There is a crudely I assume US animated Jackie Chan show, among many others I just prefer to block out. Even with Japan being said to be in something of a slump they still seem to do alright, at least for what I see that comes here.
As for Cowboy BeBop, I have a hard time believing that there won't be a lot of snips here and there, that's not counting what has to be cut for time slot.
The better theatrical animation seems to go toward Disney's direction, but they have immense budgets. Even I have a hard time comming up with somthing that is all around high quality and original as the Fantasia movies (hey, I liked 2000 OK?).
Sure on average, stuff that is popular isn't as good, but good stuff for any genre tends to be fairly obscure.
why anime on tv is good. (Score:3)
Anime on tv, regardless if its edited or not, is a good thing. Its not like they are keeping you from seeing the original un-edited versions. Just go out and buy the dvds. What these tv showings of Blue6 and Tenchi do is expose more people to anime. More anime fans (even newbies) means more money for anime companies, which means more money for buying rights to shows like vandread! (good thing)
Ive heard of a few experiences of people liking escaflowne on fox (even the mangled version) buying the first dvd and being amazed by it. (esca first episode was basically skipped by the fox broadcast).
If it makes you guys feel better, anime companies are not part of the MPAA, and after talking to some of the studio peeps, dont even like region encoding or macrovision.
So please stop complaining. America already has the least expensive anime in the world. Titles are upwards of 60$ a disc in japan. You also get both audio tracks and some other bonuses.
December was qiute the month in the anime dvd area.
Re:MKR English dub... (Score:1)
Oh yeah! Don't we all LOVE the Toonami's version of Dragonball Z theme song (it's still the same, right? I haven't seen it in a while... can't stand it. It's still the crappy guy with a low voice chanting Dragon Ball... Dragon Ball Z, right?)
Cartoon Network and the anime connection (Score:1)
My first exposure to anime was Speed Racer courtesy of Uncle Ted Turner at TBS. I saw G-Force (also known as Battle of the Planets) next. Then years later I saw Akira and I realized what good animation could be as opposed to the sterile formula driven crap dished out as American animation.
Stephen King (media whore at large) said,
"TV is the magic medium that turns everything it touches into shit."
He was right. If it gets on TV it will not be as good as the originals. It is a fact of life. It ain't going to change. Get the fsck over it already.
I want (Score:1)
Older, random stuff (Score:1)
Does anyone know if anything has been translated/ subbed, or if any episodes are availible anywhere??
Fansubbing -is- illegal (Score:2)
Not true. Ever heard of the Berne Convention [wipo.org]? Over 120 nations, including Japan, are party to it, which basically means that they all agree to respect each other's copyrights. The Convention requires that "Works originating in one of the contracting States must be given the same protection in each of the other contracting States as the latter grants to the works of its own nationals." Among the copyrights protected by the Berne Convention including the right to translate, the right to broadcast, and the right to reproduce.
So, assuming the fansubbers live in a nation that has signed the Berne Convention (and chances are that they do), anything copyrighted in Japan is copyrighted in their nation as well, and they are still committing copyright infringment by translating, broadcastign, and/or reproducing the original anime.
Yu Suzuki
Re:CN europe (Score:1)
Re:Cartoon Network and the anime connection (Score:1)
I think it says more about the US, than it does about TV in general.
Re:Question (Score:1)
Jet is a fan of jazz, you know...
It is illegal, BUT... (Score:2)
However, the reason that fansubbing has been successful is that it's somewhat of a win-win situation. For example, a show in Japan (which is unheard of abroad) is fansubbed, and develops a remarkable fan following overseas (which happens a lot). Suddenly the (mostly) American anime companies see a big demand for this title, and subsequently license it and distribute it (after a couple of years, maybe less).
This works well for (a) the original Japanese studio - they have got this extra business though licensing which they would have never gotten before, and for (b) the American companies - fansub watchers cover a smallish segment of the anime viewing population, so there will be people buying the proper releases. Many fans, and specially anime clubs etc, will go out and buy the proper release even if they had the fansubs, to support the studios, for peace of mind (feeling legit) and for better quality. Also the American companies make a packet if they can sell them to TV networks as mentioned in the article, which fansubs have very little effect on.
So fansubs, overall, tend to work out well for all parties involved, so although it is technically illegal, the studios/distributors don't tend to file lawsuits or get angry etc, if the fansubbing is done 'by the book' (eg. not selling them, trying to make money off them or silly things like that, and also stopping distribution the instant that they get picked up commerically.)
The only time I have heard of fansubbers getting in a bit of trouble is with Disney, and we all know what those bastards are like. In any case, complying with demands to remove the videos and discontinue work usually suffices in the case of any problems.
Re:never watched anime..which to see first? (Score:1)
LOL... (Score:1)
Heh heh... ah yes, J-pop theme songs. My absolute least favorite thing about anime...
They have several decent enough composers (a few more than decent enough) working on anime scores; why oh why can't they just stick to that?
Bebop? On CN? (Score:3)
When Cowboy Bebop aired in Japan, they only aired 12 episodes on TV Tokyo, because many of the episodes were deemed too violent (if you've seen any of the Spike v. Vicious episodes, you know).
If it couldn't air in it's entirety except on Japanese cable, there's no chance in hell it'll survive the knife on CN.
Kenshin, too, will face a hard time. And that aired untouched on japanese broadcast (though you'll never see the OVA series on CN). They'll probably get some lame Sony-mangled version.
I fear for Bebop and Kenshin appearing on CN, unless they get real brave and show 'em only on the midnight run.
Re:Question (Score:1)
Re:Bebop? On CN? (Score:1)
Yeah. I mean, come on. It's got Faye...
But seriously, I think the first real red flag moment in Bebop that I remember was when (MINOR SPOILER) Faye (I think it was Faye?) runs in on those two naked guys in bed. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I'm not sure Toonami is quite ready for something like that... there's things like that and the completely innocent family bathing scene in Totoro that could either be red flags for censorship or interesting ways to look at differences in cultural taboos.
God knows we Americans could use a little more of that sort of education.
Re:Stupid quote (Score:1)
Anime on CN and Advice for Toonami (Score:1)
The chances of CN showing Kenshin or Cowboy Bebop are slim, seeing the violent nature of these shows and their relative "newness". (Then again Shin Tenchi came out in 1997 - but it came with a package with Muyo and Univerese).
We'll probably end up seeing more DB (the Trunks and Bardock TV specials seem likely) and even some Tenchi movies in the near future.
I believe we have the best chance of seeing shows like Ranma 1/2 (which would easily provided months of programming with the series, OVAs, and movies). The brief nudity in the show could be easily edited.
At this point I'm just hoping, but Toonami could easily be spun off into its own station. The network could show subbed and dubbed anime, movies, etc. The only issue would be the black hole it leaves in Cartoon Network's schedule.
Re:Bleh (Score:1)
Not to knock anime but... (Score:1)
Re:You folks are child-molesting dorks. (Score:1)
Popularity might equal mediocrity. (Score:1)
As you have noted anime is becoming more and more popular every day. But that MAY not be a good thing. The fringe culture of anime may be the very thing that draws many
/The rules of english are what we SAY they are./
Re:Anime fans... (Score:1)
My first Anime. (Score:1)
Re:Berserk ( and a nip of rant) (Score:1)
There are only 25 episodes.
Yes, that's right. That is the end of the series. Gotta love those happy endings.
The manga is still running in Japan. I think it's up to 20 or 21 volumes at this point, but I don't think they're planning on animating more of it.
There's also a so-so Dreamcast game that's been released in the US as "Sword of the Berserk."
Check out Black Sun Over Midland [scsu.edu] for more info.
Cartoon Network finally updating to adult cartoons (Score:1)
For Once I am glad that CN is getting its head out of the toilet humor department. sure the vintage cartoons like:
Scooby Doo --The Cartoon that makes you wonder who is behind the bad guy mask, who is really doing who, and what is really in those scobby snacks.
Johnny Quest -Where did they go today and why did they bother to redo the whole dang thing, and will Johnny ever grow up I mean he was a kid when I was young. Oh to have all that fun and neat toys and stay young forever.
GI Joe --When it was good thing to be in the military, when national pride ment going out and spending your money of a 2 inch tall hunk was paramount Feh they never showed the Down side and real way the military is that was all glamor boy junk, don't get me started on how horrid the benifits of service really are. Bad food and Underpaid just short of welfare and we have to like it about sums it up.
Transformers--(Sigh) a sad marketing campaign for the toys but it had its moments in an almost anime sort of way.
He-Man --See tranformers and add in flames from NOW about it be chovenistic when really it did not really care about that issue after all it was there to sell the toy.
Hanna Barbera-Where oh where did these good toons go oh where oh were can they be well cartoon network is picking alot of them up thank
you Uncle Ted for holding on to these for us.
Tom and Jerry-Senceless violence that a whole nation enjoyed without crying out that it will corrupt our young impressionable minds, why oh why
cant we have more of this. Every one well almost everyone can remember laughing at T&J some time in their life. Dangit T&J 2004 all the way.
Popeye --Is he Navy is Coasty it dont matter he helped get us though WWII then went downhill with no benifits go figure.
Looney Toons--For the CAD in us all looney toons was not ment for kids when it came out but then now no one seems to notice the very adult themes in this one any more and the next generation of them have been sanitized for our young "tiny toons" anyone.
are worthy of being on the CN they also had a flood of crud toons that IMHO are not worth the time like:
Cow and Chicken--Ugh ok this if a few cow chips and chicken specks short of a manure pile nuf said, personaly I would rather subject my kids to Elmo all day long instead of this junk.
Johney Brovo -- Another Junk toon except this one lets see the world stupidest egomaniac get turned down every episiode.
I am Weasle -- Not really that funny borderline stupid.
Power puff girls -- Gack, cough, hack, sputter.
after all if we wanted braindead we toilet cartoons we could find old stand bys like
Ren an Stempy -- The ultimate in groos toon thank the slime factory at MTV for this one, which they pawned off on NICK who Pawned it off somewhere else.
Bevis and Butthead-"Hehehe, hey Bevis we made the list thats Kewl""Shut-up Butmunch he only put us here for toilet humor" "hehehe you said toilet" "hehehe yes I guess I did hehehe I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO"
So the introduction of Amime is a good thing, but IMHO they should go fro some the better quality stuff not.
Dragon Ball Z--When will the hurting stop mommy, they are showing us the butchered version make them stop. (spent time stationed in japan and saw the real thing we are sucking bad in copairision. but then we got ripped on every good thing that got sent out of there just look at final fantasy and dragon warior.)
Speed Racer -- Would be great it it had more veriety and did not seem so dated. can't compain too loudly about the artwork because that was what had made speed racer what it was.
Pokeeman -- OK the oringal japanize version of this (pocket monsters) one will give you fits the American version again is doped down.
If they need stuff theat will fly just under the sensors they should go with,
Socerer Hunters (aka Spell wars)-- magic is bad so lets have a which hunt using people with magic.
Those who hunt Elves --Good storyline bad implemetation but then that is the sanitized ADV version for you.
Record of the Lotus wars -- Maybee just a little too deep for our current dumbed down america.
Heroic ledgend Arslan-- see lotus wars.
and for primetime movies
Vampire hunter D--A classic if I ever saw one, wish it was still in production.
Battle Angel--Another Classic must see if you think all Anime is bad this one might change your mind.
Neon Genisis--I never realized the full potental of this one intil I watched 0:1 thru 0:13 the first time.
Super Antrinon- Call me a kook but I would say this one seems almost pre second impact. Almost sets up Neon Genisis Nicley.
Ghost in the shell-- Nother Deep classic if you aint seen it you dont know what your missing.
finally for midnight showings when parents have most control over their children.
Hevey metal (original)-- American adult comics at their best biger louder nastier than any others god bless the USA.
Urrokidoji (sp)-- Ok scrach this. This is so close to henti it will never get on Amererican airwaves.
Curse of Yoma- Another Deep one.. if you dont have an open mind dont bother with it. It will go over your head.
Akira - YEAH ULTRA-VIOLENCE that would make Alex from clockwork orange either Cream himself or Dang near Snuff it.
Most the others that would be deemed too violent or have content that pushes the boarder line.
Well enough ranting, I know "BAD LICH back to your Floorboards and stay"
Khelben H. Vasq
Re:A lot of anime people watch was made for kids, (Score:1)
It gets a *lot* better.
Watch the first 6 or so episodes and skip to about episode 24. Watch through around 64, and ignore the rest.
Trust me, it's worth it.
The movie is crap, the OVAs are decent, but the Kyoto arc in the TV series is just so amazingly kick-ass. Everything before is okay, everything afterwards is crap.
Re:Anime.. feh. (Score:1)
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I've got a confession to make... (Score:1)
Does that make me a bad person?
Re:Bleh (Score:2)
(Make sure to check out fightdivx. It has a whole bunch of DVD coupons at several retailers.)
If ordering off the web is too slow for you, go off to your local Suncoast Video: They have a HUGE anime section in mine.
CN europe (Score:1)
(At least last time I checked).
Re:Bleh (Score:1)
> for 2 minutes' thing. Only one break for a half hour show... lovely.
It's like that in England too. America is just too commercial for its own good. Maybe you're just too gullible
Re:I've got a confession to make... (Score:1)
Re:A lot of anime people watch was made for kids, (Score:2)
I am not sure which thread this it was in, I too cringe when people have such glorious and gushing praise of one show to the exclusion of others, and gringe when people excessively rip something as trash.
My tastes often run varied. I can appreciate a good deal of anime (95%+ of what I manage to watch) but I can't appreciate the rabidness of enthusiasm that some people put into it. My ratings often run counter to the status quo on some things. I liked Tenchi Universe and New Tenchi (aka Tenchi in Tokyo) as much or more than I liked the OVAs, I guess mostly because there is more of a coherent story within each series, although there is little real connection between each series other than the main characters.
MKR English dub... (Score:1)
What I found out...they pretty much raped the theme-songs (which I absolutley LOVED!), the voices were annoying, and they took out some other small things. I hope that Toonami goes with standard procedure and cuts the opening and closing songs. Now, it they would only play it in subtitled, maybe we could reinforce reading yet!
Get your subtitled on before you get your dub on. That's the #1 rule of anime.
Re:Bleh (Score:2)
> I think the Japanese have the right idea with the 'one commecial break every 15 minutes;
> for 2 minutes' thing. Only one break for a half hour show... lovely.
It's like that in England too. America is just too commercial for its own good. Maybe you're just too gullible
Too commercial for its own good? Definitely. The thing is, the length of commercials on the original Japanese airing seems to be rising, or at least higher than people think it is.
Last I checked American broadcasts, about 3/4 of an hour (22.5 minutes) is dedicated to the show, the rest to ads. I am seeing quite a few anime shows that are going to about 23.5 minutes. The most common misconception about anime TV shows is that the original broadcast is always 25 minutes, but I really haven't found that to be the case for any show that I have checked, they usually run short of that, so that's actually about 6 minutes of ads, I just don't know how they are arranged.
I think in the US it is broken to several short breaks just so that there isn't much time to leave the TV and make it back to see the show, or to increase the likelyhood that someone will still be watching the commercial. I keep wondering why we need more ads if we are more gullible? I read about advertisers complaining about the lack of effectiveness of commercials, I wonder if they lack a sense of reality, and a definite lack of creativity on their part.
oh dear... (Score:1)
personally, i'm looking forward to ReBoot, cheesy as it seems...
Re:why anime on tv is good. (Score:3)
I hate to be a pessimist, but if anime gets greater widespread appeal, how long do you think it will be before the MPAA subsumes anime companies? Or they just create their own anime companies, and use the leverage of their resources to win out on import rights? Or, in characteristic MPAA fashion, use their leverage to keep small-time anime companies from getting access to airtime?
I hate to say it because it iselitist, but the fact is that the widespread acceptance of a cultural product (such as anime) usually ends up watering it down. Not that widespread acceptance inherently must dilute culture, but rather that big-time businesses take an interest and then exercise their typical "lowest-common-denominator"ing on the products in the process of capitalizing on them.
Anime on tv, regardless if its edited or not, is a good thing. Its not like they are keeping you from seeing the original un-edited versions.
I'd rather see a few high-quality UNEDITED anime shows on the Midnight Run than a whole bunch of Sony-mangled cartoons on a few channels. Why? Because pretty soon, Japanese animation studios will have to consider the almighty American Market when making new shows, and will start censoring themselvesto ensure that there is no problem in exporting the shows to the States. And if that happens, we won't have to worry about getting the unedited version, because the unedited version will have been candy-fied to American standards.
This process of intentionally or unintentionally changing other cultures' cultural products, often for the worse, is known as American cultural imperialism.
Diversity (Score:4)
I like it. I like it a lot.
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ugh (Score:2)
There's nothing to censor in Ruroni Kenshin--not in the TV series, anyway. If the OVAs were to be shown on TV, they would probably be about half as long.
I have only seen parts of Magic Knight Rayearth, so I don't have any comments to make.
I'm not against anime on TV, I'm just against the censoring of it. (I'm against dubs, too, but if some people don't want to read subtitles, then so be it. That's their preference.)
Re:MKR English dub... (Score:1)
Re:never watched anime..which to see first? (Score:1)
For actiona and comedy you can't go wrong with Cowboy Bebop and Trigun. Both are space meets the wild west themed (Trigun especially. Bebop has a Bruce Lee flavor in it as well). I haven't seen Roushin Kenshin, but I hear it is absoutely spectacular.
For Romantic comedy Aa Megami-Sama is great (the OVAs), as is Tenchi Muyo! and Ranma 1/2.
More serious work includes Vampire Hunter D (a bit hard to watch after 25 years, but the modd is still there), a gothic, bizarre work with charater design by Yoshitaka Amano (he did design for Final Fantasy). Also, Mononoke Hime (Princess Mononoke) is widely acclaimed and is absoultely stunning, both in plot nuance and visually. Serial Experiments Lain is among the best techno anime avaliable - it invovles a young girl getting lost, losing herself, on the Net. Of course there is also the seminal sci-fi hit, Akira.
Fantasy anime is best exemplified by the Record of Lodoss War OVAs and Slayers.
Mecha anime is very popular and Gundam Wing, Macross, and Evangalion are among its best representatives.
For kids Cardcaptor Sakura (in Japanese - the American WB version is horrible), Kiki's Delivery Service, and My Neighbor Toroto are good (though I enjoy them too!)
Hope that helped (and it wasn't too much! =))
Cowboy Bebop would be excellent... (Score:2)
What I would like to see even more is a decent treatment of The Vision of Escaflowne free of Fox's unforgivable edits and "additions". There already exists a pretty good dub of the Macross Plus OVA's (it's on the DVDs); I bet those could draw pretty big numbers as prime-time Toonami specials.
Of course, we'll probably just get more DBZ. (sigh)
I think what we really need is some entity in a position like Toonami is in to at least have a block of decent anime presented in a respectable format. I think that quality, high-class work like Escaflowne and the Ghibli films, presented uncut in the original Japanese could draw a surprising audience in the States. I'm dreaming, of course.
Re:Mainstream anime a good thing? (Score:1)
Basically, without dubs, it would be very hard to bring people into fandom. You may say that's a good thing, but it isn't. To keep anime in america (subbed or dubbed) there has to be cash lining pockets.
As for co-opting culture, America is not the only one. Check out the any number of anime with English names. All of Asia co-ops Western culture, Japan especially. In Japan, Western is chic, it's used for style, even if some of it doesn't make sense to native English speakers.
Add to that the difficulty of Japanese. I'm studying it now. It's fun, but it's no walk in the park.
Re:CN europe (Score:1)
"In the UK, Toonami has just begun, with Dragon Ball Z leading the way, Batman of the Future (Batman Beyond to us Yanks) in the mix, and coming soon, Gundam Wing."
calm down (Score:1)
Re:Bleh (Score:1)
Go get the DVDs. You can grab all of bebop on dvd for ~$120. A worthy investment for someone who likes anime, IMO.
Desperately seeking... (Score:1)
1.) Bannou Bunka Neko Musume Nuku Nuku the TV Series. I have episodes 1 and 2 and nothing else. No anime distributor currently gives a crap about it, and judging from the two episodes I have it is the funniest damn thing I have ever seen in Anime. It's a "Police Squad!" esque satirical takedown of every single Anime cliche there is. I think ADVision has first dibs on it but so far they have yet to take advantage of it. I have had this tape of episodes 1 and 2 for two years now.
2.) The Eva movies. Neon Genesis Evangelion the TV Series is out legitimately, and even aired on San Jose's PBS affiliate, but so far I have no idea who has rights to the movies. The TV series was a fsckn MIRACLE literally and figuratively. I want to see more.
If anyone has leads on these fansubs please email me...the spamblock munging is easy to figure out.
BTW folks the Mononoke Hime DVD is the total way to do it...Disney finally listened to the fans and came out with a class product 100% down the line. I hate the RIAA as much as anyone but fsck, man...English, Japanese and French tracks, choice of the Gaiman dubscript or a literal translation of the Miyazaki shooting script for subtitles...it's worth supporting, man! If someone gives this treatment to the two Evangelion movies I will buy them even if they fsckn cost $100/DVD. BOYCOTT ALL OTHER DVDS BUT BUY MONONOKE. Anyone who thinks Anime is about tentacle rape and giant robots needs to at least RENT IT. There is a reason why Mononoke Hime was the biggest movie in Japan before stupid "Titanic" blew it away...it's a masterpiece.
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Or maybe Princess Mononoke... (Score:1)
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Re:I've got a confession to make... (Score:1)
bye bye first episode (Score:1)
Re:Is it just me... (Score:1)
2. SMP speeds up the system just fine on Linux if you are using a kernel compiled for SMP. Maybe you are refering to some other free Unix clone?
Re:Bleh (Score:1)
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Re:Tell us what movies you like first. (Score:1)
Actually Miyazaki has been doing movies with strong female characters for literally decades. From Countess Cagliostro in "Castle Of Cagliostro" to Kiki in "Kiki's Delivery Service" Miyazaki-sama has been very cool. Look for anything put out by Studio Ghibli. "Kiki" is available all over the place because Disney did a very high-profile dub of it.
Also "Ghost In The Shell" has Major Motoko Kusanagi, another really strong female (well, she's mostly robotic but oh well) character.
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Not all animation fans are kids or pervs... (Score:1)
In Japan, the animation industry is more vital by far than the live-action motion picture industry. It has to do with a lack of soundstage space more than anything else, although modern computer compositing techniques might change things there at last. I hate to be a broken record, but "Princess Mononoke" was the biggest movie in Japanese box office history until "Titanic" came along. That means that it wasn't just kids with their butts in seats there. Actually I wouldn't show "Mononoke" to anyone under 13...it's bloody, it deals with certain things parents don't like their children knowing about, like prostitution and different concepts of god other than that approved by the Southern Baptist Convention, etc. etc.
Even in Europe animation is not considered just kidvid. Animated features and TV series geared exclusively to adults have been produced for decades in Europe.
There has been progress over the years, but US and Canadian animators still have that Cartoons=Kidvid stigma to overcome. It's a damn shame. Animation is just...COOL.
Michelle Klein-Hass
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Former Webkeeper, Animation Nerd's Paradise [awn.com]
Current Author, MsGeek.Org.
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Re: Eva movies (Score:1)
Re: Nuku Nuku, if the rights have been bought, then you probably won't have any luck getting fansubs (that is if the distros/fansubbers etc. do things the right way). Most fansub groups will stop distribution once a series has been picked up commercially.
Otherwise, get cracking learning your Japanese so you can watch them as soon as they're released
Re:Bleh (Score:1)
Re:What's with Taco's Animated... (Score:1)
Re:Hmm lot of great digital fansubs are out... (Score:1)
Web warez like on the elite-fansub site is already getting a little out there.
A lot of anime people watch was made for kids, but (Score:2)
Bubblegum Crisis is moronic at best. Gundam is fun but it is like watching Batman on Saturday morning it is just adults indulging themselves by watching a kid's cartoon.
Ninja Scroll is not kid's stuff.
Akira is not kid's stuff.
Neon Genesis Evangelion is great.
Serial Experiment Lain is deep as hell.
The grown up stuff is out there. It is marred by the porn (BTW, if it looks like a horror flick there will be a disturbing rape scene don't bother with the crap). It is mixing in with the kid's stuff. Rourin Kenshin is a one man A-team running around with a sword never killing anyone. Its kid's stuff. There is a new series dealing with his younger life as an assasin that is violent, a bit deep and disturbing. Not kid's stuff.
Sometimes, it is tough to tell the difference. I thought Rourin Kenshin would be great from the reviews and it is worshipped by many but I thought it was formulastic and smacked of kid's stuff. Cute, but nothing special.
why is anime so attaractive for some? (Score:2)
I was a big time RoboTech fan through high school. Then I saw Eraserhead, and I knew that I had changed. Now when I see the 28 year olds at the office wiggle in their seats over sailor moon toys, I get the creeps more than when I first saw Eraserhead.
I guess in a way I've become a fan of other people's anime fandom. Please don't mention any of this to JonKatz, thx!
Re:A lot of anime people watch was made for kids, (Score:2)
The two things that are moronic are 1) the name, until you learn the meaning (the situation with the Boomers about ready to explode, the "Bubblegum Crash" is after the 'pop') and 2) the dub. It's not my kind of series but I've found it entertaining.
Kenshin is more than a one man A-team, into the second US released volume he gets good allies, and the show does progress. I have grown to appreciate it but it isn't on my personal must-get list either.
Re:Diversity (Score:1)
Re:Hmm lot of great digital fansubs are out... (Score:1)
It's kind of in a grey area. It's not really popular enough to attract the attention of the studios, so for the moment, it's a great way to get anime that (a) isn't available in the States or (b) isn't available in the original Japanese.
Re:Evangelion (Score:1)
I am not an anime fan, but... (Score:1)
So, I recommend it? It's not just hype, Princess Mononoke is really good!
Anime threads on Slashdot (Score:1)
A mildly irritating trend. Let's not forget the trolls and the "I love Akira/Ghost/Ninja Scroll" bandwagoners that rather dominate anime discussions on Slashdot. I'm almost to the point of agreeing with the trolls; anime and Slashdot might not go so well together...
I especially like how many anime series and films won't hand the plot directly to the viewer.
You're going to love Lain.
Re:Cowboy Bebop would be excellent... (Score:2)
It's an Image Thing.
Re:never watched anime..which to see first? (Score:1)
You should try to get a copy of these to watch:
Love Hina (not released)
Hand Maid May (not released, this is NOT hentai, dispite how the name sounds)
Trigun (In US, dvd or vhs)
Photon (In US, dvd at least)
Dual (In US, dvd at least)
I hear Kenshin is good, but by all accounts the dub is bad
LH and HMM were both made by the same creators, They are both romantic, but LH is also a comedy
Trigun is a sort of sci-fi-ish western (still with guns/bullets tho
Photon is a comedy, ya just have to see it
Dual is sort of mecha
This is just my personal collection, there are hundreds of other animes out there, each with their own story.
If something is unreleased in the US or Europe then you'll have to either import it or go find fansubs (Please don't get fansubs for anything that's released in your area, Please support the people who worked hard to bring anime to your area.)
You could also find some Hentai, if that's your sort of thing.. not all anime=hentai.
Also, if you can buy the manga for whatever series that you are watching.. then that can help explain some parts to you, if you were confused at all. (I'm still noticing stuff in the LH anime that I didn't see the first couple of times thru)
Explore your tastes, find what you like and what you don't.. get a dvd with both english and japanese(or whatever language, with english subs) and find out if you like subbed or dubbed anime.
Everyone is different.
-since when did 'MTV' stand for Real World Television instead of MUSIC television?
Is it just me... (Score:1)
Re:Fansubbing -is- illegal (Score:2)
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USB Is the only reason it crashed (Score:1)
never watched anime..which to see first? (Score:1)
I'll keep it short and simple. I've never really watched anime. If one wanted to start watching anime, what are a couple good series to watch? There just seems to be a plethera of anime to watch now, just would like to know a couple titles to get me started.
Re:Diversity (Score:1)
general sort of rant thingy (Score:1)
Re:Is it just me... (Score:1)
Slayers (Score:2)
Rumor has it that FOX is sniffing around Slayers for TV [I'd prefer CN as there will be MUCH less editing on cable, but...]. There are some 'suggestive situations and language' that may be at issue, plus the whole idea of the heroine getting her powers from demons [refered to as the vague 'monster race' in the dub]. So that explains the reason it hasn't been scooped up as quickly as Pokemon etc. Hopefully someone will pick it up, as it is probably in the top 10 'most agreeable to americans' category, and is pretty entertaining to boot.
[Disclaimer: yup, I'm a Slayers fan, so my opinion is slanted]
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Re:why anime on tv is NOT good. (Score:2)
Yikes! I wonder about that myself... "Card Captors" on Saturday mornings here, is that a watered-down version of something that's really cool in original Japanese, or is it the first in a line of 'let's make some crap anime to sell to Americans' shows?
FWIW, my first exposure to anime was "Wicked City", I kinda jumped in with both feet - GITS, Perfect Blue... Card Captors is like cheap-o sugar substitute after that.
"I'm not a bitch, I just play one on
FYI (Score:1)
Re:why anime on tv is NOT good. (Score:1)
"Card Captors" on Saturday mornings here, is that a watered-down version of something that's really cool in original Japanese, or is it the first in a line of 'let's make some crap anime to sell to Americans' shows?
It is indeed a watered-down version of a much cooler Japanese show.
When I first saw Card Captor Sakura in Japanese at Nan Desu Kan [www.ndk.cc] two years ago, I thought it would be a great show for someone to import to the USA. Great CLAMP visuals, a strong young female in the lead, and a story premise with a lot of potential.
So I was pretty disappointed to see Cardcaptors, the Americanized version being show in WB Kids on Saturday morning. They've diminished Sakura's central role (the title change is a good giveaway there) and in the process messed with the continuity, starting the series somewhere in the middle.
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Cowboy Bebop (Score:1)
Re:Bleh (Score:2)
I think broadcast and cable are set to different standards. Your example makes me happy that I am not a cable subscriber.
Ah. (Score:2)
"I'm not a bitch, I just play one on
Re:A lot of anime people watch was made for kids, (Score:1)
Maybe part of it was the dub with the voices so high glasses in my apartment were breaking. However, it was still a kid's series.
The target audience was young teens. The J-pop included in the series was marginal at best. The plots, and villians were silly IMHO. I actually thought the main characters and general series ideas were kind of neat. I just did not like the series. I love anime, though, and I respect your opinion.
Yes, I did watch the series.
I knew I was going to catch hell for the Kenshin comments but I never understood the undying devotion some fans hold for a anime aimed so squarely at the kid audience. To hear some people talk about the series you would think that Jesus-freakin'-Christ himself dropped it from the heavens. Instead, the series is really good mainstream prime time kid's anime. Something for the munchkins to watch. Once again, it is just my opinion, my preference.
It seems sometimes that you cannot love anime without following blindly the opinions of the majority anime fans. I know that is not where you are coming from so I replied.
Kenshin or Samurai X? (Score:1)
Re:My first Anime. (Score:1)
That must be understatement of the month :-)
After Tenchi On CN (Score:3)
Which is not to say that this is a bad thing per se. But...
The real question imho, is why someone has not yet picked up a series that is taylor made for America, plenty of explosions, slapstick humour, real plot and no nudity. Slayers.
(Rumour had it Slayers was picked up by SCI-Fi, but so far nothing).
Gundam Wing sucks !! (Score:1)
Forget all this new bullshit.. try to look into the old Gundam (RX-78) and anything from Akira Toriyama before Dragonball, Rumiko Takahashi and Go Nagai the king of the megarobots.
Aibo, P3, Asimo etc are the also the fruit of passion for robots brought around by manga artists.
Re:A lot of anime people watch was made for kids, (Score:1)
I'd suggest watching the subtitled version, and being lenient; BGC is pretty old, and the animation and storyline didn't improve to today's standards until the 5th episode. (of course a lot of the stuff on Cartoon Network, American or Japanese is barely animated anyway....)
Anyway, have you seen "Key the Metal Idol"? I never really got into it, but according to good friends of mine, it's supposed to be similar to Lain, but better. Me, I love Escaflowne, the second Patlabor movie, Wings of Honneamise, nigh-anything by Miyazaki.... Check those out - they're all good stuff.
Re:Older, random stuff (Score:1)
Go to The Anime Turnpike [anipike.com]. Start your search there. I recommend using Kodocha Anime.
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Re:My first Anime. (Score:1)
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Hmm lot of great digital fansubs are out... (Score:1)
http://www.elite-fansubs.com/
http://www.animefactory.net/
and the numerous little spots on irc...
Why have we never seen a spotlight on places like em or the digital fansub movement as a whole?
Re:Anime threads on Slashdot (Score:1)
Haven't seen Coyboy Bebop, but was really surprised when they mentioned Kenshin. It's a top quality series, and I'm very glad that CN is considering airing it, but there is quite a lot of violence, especially in the OAV. CN would have to do a lot of editing, more than they did for Tenchi.
A must see Anime series for street raceing fans. (Score:1)
Mainstream anime a good thing? (Score:1)